David Moyes lauded his team's excellent performance against Manchester United last night but was keen to stress that he will only judge his team's start to the new season after 10 games or so.
The Blues have made a frustrating habit of getting starting seasons slowly in recent years despite the manager trying different approaches in pre-season to find the right formula.
And while the magnificent defeat of United under the Goodison lights is the perfect way to get off the starting blocks, Moyes pointed out at his side now needs to build on that result and maybe then they can perhaps push the top teams in and around the Champions League places.
“I'm really pleased because they performed ever so well and got a result too,” Moyes said after the game.
“We haven't started recent seasons very well and even tonight's result doesn't tell you we have started the season well, just as if we had lost tonight, we wouldn't have said we'd started the season badly.
“I think you judge how you have started a season after 10 games. I've tried just about everything to try and get off to a good start and we tried something else this year.
“The only year I can remember that we had a good start, we finished in a Champions League spot. I don't know if it's possible to do that, but if we can get a good start, I think we can start to chase some teams instead of having to play catch-up as we have tended to do. But one game tonight has certainly not proved that we are not slow starters.”
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101 Posted 21/08/2012 at 18:15:42
What was also fantastic was the support of the fans in the stadium - awesome!!!
112 Posted 21/08/2012 at 18:51:41
Maybe its called having a go at home regardless of the opposition and not playing players obviously way off form..........as well as a fantastic game from the hair and great team performance of course.
Am not Moyes' biggest fan and would still prefer someone less cautious but if we carry on playing like that for a while then I could start to change my mind - history shows that it will take a great turn by the worm to get to this point but you never know. Maybe he fancies one last shot this season before deciding on new contract in 10 months time. Maybe he's finally realised that attack is quite often the best form of of defence? Maybe he finally realises just how good a first team we actually have and is now confident to let them have a go. Who the f knows, we beat the manc first game, I'll happily take that for now.
Can't wait for Villa now, those sods always cause us a problem but if we play like we did yesterday (first 65 mins anyway) then I really think we'll come away with 3 points.
Then followed by much weaker teams, dream, dream, dream. Will stop now, one step at a time an all that... .. why is it only Tuesday!
116 Posted 21/08/2012 at 19:09:40
He was given a bit of money to spend in January, bought well and the team improved dramatically second half of last season as a result & we're just carrying on where we left off.
120 Posted 21/08/2012 at 19:03:27
It's a detail often overlooked, but the human side to this alleged "fiasco" and "embarrassment" (as some posters would have it) was that the players stayed at home, trained and played in familiar surroundings, and didn't experience the draining effects of long-haul flights and the hassle of behaving like "ambassadors".
I get the point about "selling the brand", and the financial benefits to overseas tours, but maybe the players (and even Moyes himself) felt that little bit more relaxed and refreshed going into last night's game as a result of missing out on Indonesia, and that made the crucial bit of difference.
121 Posted 21/08/2012 at 19:22:14
Cautionary note...we were the on-paper 'weaker team' last night.
The weaker teams will give us a different set of problems to overcome. Historically, when facing teams that deny us space, we have issues unlocking them. Maybe a combination of Jelavic and Mirallas will give us a new ability to pick the locks, but, it doesnt necessarily follow that beating a porous United side means we'll be equally effective against a Stoke or Reading.
124 Posted 21/08/2012 at 19:44:58
Oh, and Mr Ferguson we didn't just "lump it" we played effectively mixing it up and taking advantage of your crumbling teams weakness - you were lucky it was just 1 - 0.
Well done Mr Moyes and the boys fantastic all round.
125 Posted 21/08/2012 at 19:51:02
126 Posted 21/08/2012 at 19:56:48
That said, the tours I was on always included heavy alcohol consumption and dubious extra-curricular activities so maybe my memory is impaired.
128 Posted 21/08/2012 at 20:02:29
131 Posted 21/08/2012 at 20:09:07
My impression is though that modern Premiership players are never allowed "off the leash", even on tour, and maybe especially on tour. It's more hand-shaking and promotion, rather than birds and booze.
Maybe more to the point, top footballers today seem to be a very insular, anti-social bunch, incapable (in my admittedly limited experience) of functioning well in anything considered to be "alien" surroundings. They are happy in their own bubble, protected from the outside world, and have virtually all of their needs met by either the club, or their inner circle.
So, to be excused a trip to the Far East, and the unfamiliar sights and sounds, was a real boost to our players, I'd imagine, and maybe that extra 1% of pre-season contentment was the pay off last night.
133 Posted 21/08/2012 at 20:30:56
I'm genuinely excited and optimistic about the upcoming season now. We've taken the first of many big scalps. If we can carry it on against the "lesser" sides then I don't think top 4 is as far fetched as it's been in the last few years. Spurs and Arsenal are both weaker and Newcastle, although they've managed to keep their side together, aren't exactly unbeatable. As for Liverpool, they'll be lucky to finish in the European spots.
134 Posted 21/08/2012 at 20:28:19
Am glad that we've finally cleared players off the books who offered little (if anything) and seem to have used the money wisely. So pat on the back for Moyes for the players brought in this year, but he really should have started doing this a long time ago (should have gotten rid of Billy as eary as 2010 when it was clear he didn't rate him).
Steve, understand where you're coming from. Am trying not to get carried away as it was a much weakened manu side and the likes of fulham, sunderland, wigans etc wont just lie down and die. What will be a big test for the team (and especially Moyes) is how we play when we're the favourite and not the under dog like yesterday. Really hope we don't revert to type and play cautious football regardless of the opposition, home and away. Still makes me angry when I think of the game away to west ham in 2010!
With the likes of Jelavic, Mirallas, Naismith, Pienaar and Fellaini in current form, we reall have the fire power to take it to the none top sides, home and away.
Hope this is the case, anyway, a damn site better start to the season than the last few years. Heres hoping.
142 Posted 21/08/2012 at 20:45:27
Amen to that mate. This is, as Kev Johnson says, where we'll see what Moyes is capable of. For the first time in years Moyes is looking to have the right balance of graft and craft in the squad to be able to challenge for a really nosebleed league placing.
In the past he's been limited by the quality in the team to certain formations and his 'established' squads have been more hobsons choice than considered design. Now though, if injuries are kind and we can sustain the challenge, he has options to mix the play and really use good tactical nous to carry games we've grafted mightily to a point for in seasons past. Last night he passed the test. I'd say we'll know by Christmas finally whether Moyes has got greatness in him or is just fantastically average with a knack for talent spotting thats hardly a shock for a bloke with an agent for a brother.
143 Posted 21/08/2012 at 20:44:41
I cannot pin point how Gibson makes the team better but he does. My team selection would employ different tactics, than last night, and would rotate the squad a little bit. Maybe even put Heitinga in for Distin, then that would be three changes from the United game and the team would still look really strong.
144 Posted 21/08/2012 at 20:59:33
145 Posted 21/08/2012 at 21:08:54
If we hadn't beat United last night they may have let us have Hernandez on loan as he may not get too many chances on the team. I still don't understand the Berbatov thing, last full season he played he was top scorer so they bench him. Surely it would have been better to sell him at that point.
147 Posted 21/08/2012 at 21:18:03
150 Posted 21/08/2012 at 21:19:33
The two main differentiators between us and the genuine title contenders are firstly that they can spend really really big on the players that command the most, i.e. attackers, and secondly that they can have top class replacements warming the bench (or the changing room even) who could come in as seamless replacements when they suffer long term injuries to their first choice players.
In short, that comes down, once again, to money.
153 Posted 21/08/2012 at 21:19:13
155 Posted 21/08/2012 at 21:24:43
Up front we literally have nobody but Jelavić. That surely has to be addressed before anything else.
Also, there's been a few people saying Osman should be dropped to accommodate Miralles or Naismith. Rotation is understandable, but I think Ossie should start more games than not. He's not a winger and when played inside, he's as neat and tidy as Pienaar.
187 Posted 22/08/2012 at 00:15:37
Couldn't agree more. Pray for good health. The key beyond a doubt this year.
204 Posted 21/08/2012 at 22:32:29
212 Posted 22/08/2012 at 08:20:40
The rangers situation allowed us to bring in 2 players relatively cheap and Moyes used this opportunity well but you can't just sit tight and hope someone becomes available in a year or two or three. You need to be proactive and the Billy example just has me scratching my head (and a lot of others too). Was clear early doors Moyes didn't rate him, he shouldhave put him out of his misery earlier.
Re the players of quality only being avaialble this year, have to disagree, there are always decent players available for reltifvely little, every year. Look at Newcastle last year as an example - Ba, Cisse, Tiote, Cabaye all cost a total of 15m in transfer fees. We couldn't sign them at the time as we..............had no money. (Had we e.g. sold billy, we would).
All water under the bridge, better late than never and all that. Am going to sit back and hopefully enjoy watching us play this season, which is not something I thought I would find my self saying whilst Moyes was still in charge. (baines and jella are in my fantasy league team so hope Fellaini will let Jella score!)
217 Posted 22/08/2012 at 08:39:03
248 Posted 22/08/2012 at 12:26:30
When he first came in, he looked good, his corners were 10 times better than Arteta's and he had quite a few assists and scored some crackers. Unfortunately it turned out that he was slow and not quick minded enough for the Premier League.
250 Posted 22/08/2012 at 12:45:39
Up front we have Velios, Anichibe, Naismith and Miralles.
I'd like another out and out striker, someone like Owen, who could fill in if necessary. Can't really think of a realistic one. But I agree with Paul Mackie and think we need another central midfielder and left back as cover.
253 Posted 22/08/2012 at 13:07:06
That's my theory anyway. He probably thought he had decent sell on value too. As Tony said, we only paid what we paid for him because we were in the money big time after the Lescott sale.
(I don't like Tony's use of the "r" word, by the way - there's no call for mixing up serious sexual assault with "doing someone over", which is what he meant. Certain he meant no offense, but there are other ways of putting it.)
254 Posted 22/08/2012 at 13:17:01
Jamie Rednapp does it particularly well..."that player is literally on fire"...
258 Posted 22/08/2012 at 13:41:50
261 Posted 22/08/2012 at 13:47:58
The fact that we have the smallest first team squad in the Prem should necessitate us making at least one full time player purchase and a couple of loans. Or is that just wages down the drain when we have got 15 top players and don't really need more?
265 Posted 22/08/2012 at 14:02:22
I also think the Man United game proved we can create with that first 11. Obviously Neville, and Osman playing out of position (although he is severly under-rated on this site, he is far better centrally) are not ideal, I think they are the best options currently. Will be nice to have options from the bench as well.
With respect to players we need...I'd go for an attacking creative player, as we seriously lack depth. In my dream world, the player would be Adam Johnson, but more realistically, SWP or Yossi. Another central mid, because of Gibson's injury issues, whilst not a necessity, would be nice. In dream world, i'd say a loan bid for Essien, and I think Ramsay wont be getting much playing time at Arsenal this season either. I'd also like to see another striker, and in dream world, that would be Hernandez. However, another top striker would necessitate changing our system, and I firmly believe formations with 2 strikers up top in a more traditional system is a thing of the past. So I suppose, even in the event of having some money to spend, fishing around for a lower league striker, or an out of favour striker abroad, is the best option. I really like Ross McCormack personally, as a striker who can play wide as well, but Leeds wouldn't let him go easily.
Anyone heard anything else about Niang? I think we will probaly have a small amount to spend, if his potential deal doesn't materialise.
266 Posted 22/08/2012 at 14:17:58
508 Posted 22/08/2012 at 23:14:44
The problem is that Neville and Osman are playing out of position and the team suffers because of it.
When will Moyes start to use Naismith and Mirallas, even Junior is a better option then Neville in the middle.
Two strange picks by Moyes, but he does the same thing each year, he only changes when he has an injury to one of these two or both.
Last year Cahill played when he should be on the bench.
Things only fall into place in January because by then he has players out because of injury or suspension.
It is a pattern I have noticed about Moyes for a long time.
Right now it is crystal clear that Neville does not belong as a central midfielder, but Moyes wants to play him there anyway.
I fear we will se little of the two new signings until someone gets injured.
That is so typical of Moyes,I just pray to God he wil wise up and use the best eleven he has, because right now he is not.
Mirallas was not ready for the United game, but Naismith was and he has done a very decent job this far so the best way would be to put Osman back into central midfield and let Naismith do his thing with Jelavic against Aston-VIlla.
If I see Neville in midfield again I will scream, I do not think Moyes understands how little he contributes.
Granted he was of use against United, but going forward he just ruins the flow when he gets the ball. Too old, too slow , and a terrible passer of the ball.
I really hope Neville is on the bench against Villa, Naismith and Mirallas will need to start playing as soon as possible.
If they are included then we suddenly have a good first eleven, but not as long as Osman plays right winger and Neville is one of our central midfielders.
Listen to the sound of this, " Who is your favourite midfielder at EVerton?"
Right now Neville is our Arteta, how lame is that.
Please will someone else confirm that Neville has no place in midfield, unless we intend to shut up shop each game for the rest of the season?
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