Everton 2 - 2 Liverpool
Everton got off to a quick start after losing the toss and changing ends, Jelavic clipping over top Naismith at the far post, winning an early corner. But a frustrating period of Liverpool possession followed and they won a couple of corners.
Naismith almost released Jelavic. After some scrappy play, Mirallas picked the ball up and went on a great run that won a corner he brilliantly put in on Jones. From the other side, Baines poorly overhit his corner.
Osman and Naismith showed a lack of understanding, with too much messy play in midfield and Liverpool broke forward, Enrique crossing across goal with Sterling going flying, but it was a low cross from Suarez that caught Baines and flew into the net. Suarez then dashed off in delight and flung himself to the ground right in front of David Moyes, a provocative celebration deserving of a booking.
Everton tried to respond to going behind early yet again but failed to penetrate and Osman picked up the first yellow, chasing after Sterling, and worse was to come when Gerrard's free-kick was glanced in by the completely unmarked Suarez.
But the goal galvanized a more direct approach, Fellaini's shot deflected behind fro a corner, from which Jones punches straight to Osman, whose low slightly deflected shot flew into the corner of the Gwladys Street goal to put the Blues back in it, with just a quarter of the game gone.
Mirallas was dancing around red shirts on the left wing, but not getting many calls from marriner when he was taken out by Wisdom, Mirallas eventually delivering a fantastic ball in that Skirtel had to head behind. From the corner Jones misjudged it but Marriner gave the call to Liverpool. At the other end, Suraez lashed on a foot wide.
Jelavic and Fellaini messed up a great chance after Mirallas won the ball. Baines was floored by Sterling who received a yellow card but Everton failed to profit from the free-kick. Mirallas delivered in another great ball that neither Fellaini nor Naismith attacked.
Sterling then took away Baines's legs and he should have got a second yellow for it. A promising move found Jelavic but he was offside. Then, from a move down the left, Mirallas and Fellaini exchanging pass until with one driven cross hitting Fellaini, who recobered well to put in an inviting ball that Naismith just got to ahead of Jelavic to lash into the net... 2 - 2!!!
Fellaini fed Mirallas to set up another brilliant run that got him into firing range, Jones palming his shot across the goal. Osman then fed Mirallas but Suarez ran at him and kicked his ankle, a disgusting foul worthy of a red that received only a free-kick.
Missed booking number one? Suarez stamps on Mirallas' foot
It left Mirallas limping a little as he tried to run it off and he seemed to have done so as he again ran in in goal from the left but pulled up short, hopping on the other leg to favour the ankle that Suarez had tried to break.
He remained off the pitch as Everton came close from a couple of corners, then hobbled back on, but he was clearly crocked. Meanwhile, a bizarre moment as Phil Neville dribbled toward the dee and collapsed under the merest of challenges from Agger, whose screams drew a yellow card for the Everton captain — for 'simulation'!
Kevin Mirallas did not reappear after the break, replaced by Magaye Gueye. Everton looked to go behind early in the second half, Suarez missing a low ball in from the Everton left, then Sterling getting behind the defence but missing his chipped shot completely,
At the other end, a good shot by Naismith was pushed out to Baines with Skrtel taking him out after he clipped the ball back across to Coleman who fired wide.
Jagielka was booked for holding back Sterling, Gerrard testing Howard with a hard direct shot from distance. Fellaini came close with a header off a Coleman cross. A lovely piece of work on the right saw Coleman slide in a nice low cross for Jelavic but Skrtel slid in to deny him.
Coates fouled Jelavic out wide and Baines's free-kick was swung in well but Jelavic could not get a good contact with his head. Another chance came when Coleman was blocked poorly by Allen. Jelavic got too much contact on the free header from a superb delivery, powering it wide of the post when he really should have put Everton ahead.
Agger picked up Liverpool's second yellow for pushing Fellaini but the delivery from another Baines free kick was poor. Henderson replaced Wisdom on 70 mins.
Suarez was finally booked for stamping on Distin's ankle — it really should have been a red! It had been a good spell of attacking from Everton but yielded nothing and Liverpool broke into their half with Richardson but he thankfully delayed and the fluffed his cross. Shelvey tried to shoot from distance and it was well wide.
Suarez rakes his studs down Distin's leg
A great cheer went up when Suarez slipped over when in a good position to threaten, Coates then fouled Fellaini but got away with it. Fellaini did well with Gueye to work an opportunity for Baines but again Skirtel blocked it. And nothing came of Baines's deep corner.
Gerard looked set up for the winner when Henderson got the better of Distin and laid back an easy shot for Gerard but Jagielka blocked an almost certain goal. A period of Liverpool pressure followed before Bryan Oviedo replaced Naismith with 5 mins left, Gueye switching to the right.
Coleman became the fourth Everton player booked for pulling Sterling's shirt. Oviedo's first cross was hard but not accurate. Distin pushed Suarez for a late free-kick that Gerrard way overhit as the game looked to be heading for a draw with 4 mins of added time.
Oviedo got in another good cross but Jelavic oddly backed away from goal just before he chipped the ball in. Gerrard went down easily from a beefy Osman challenge and Coates headed it down to Suarez who smashed it into the roof of the net from close range for a Liverpool winner... but incredibly it was disallowed!!!
The referee's assistant apparently flagged for offside but television replays show a possible foul by Coates on Jagielka in any case.
Foul by Coates? Courtesy of @FourthOfficial_
A fantastic escape for Everton, who went briefly back to fourth before Tottenham leapfrogged over them, beating Southampton.
Everton: Howard, Coleman, Jagielka, Distin, Baines, Naismith, Osman, Neville, Mirallas (46' Gueye), Fellaini, Jelavic.
Subs: Mucha, Hibbert, Heitinga, Oviedo, Hitzlsperger, Gueye, Vellios.
Liverpool: Jones, Wisdom (70' Henderson), Skrtel, Agger, Jose Enrique, Suso (46' Shelvey), Sahin (46' Coates), Gerrard, Allen, Sterling, Suarez.
Subs: Reina, Assaidi, Henderson, Coates, Downing, Carragher, Shelvey.
Referee: Andre Marriner
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755 Posted 28/10/2012 at 14:22:44
758 Posted 28/10/2012 at 15:26:31
760 Posted 28/10/2012 at 15:30:33
761 Posted 28/10/2012 at 15:29:24
762 Posted 28/10/2012 at 15:32:41
763 Posted 28/10/2012 at 15:32:26
764 Posted 28/10/2012 at 15:33:21
766 Posted 28/10/2012 at 15:32:17
Forget the disallowed goal as Suarez should have had a red card for trying to do Distin down his achilles.
I hate these derby games.
767 Posted 28/10/2012 at 15:37:19
768 Posted 28/10/2012 at 15:40:09
769 Posted 28/10/2012 at 15:38:13
We were great for 25 minutes and struggled once Miralles went off. I'll take the point, reluctantly. We just need every player available otherwise we struggle. Wafer thin in terms of quality.
770 Posted 28/10/2012 at 15:38:44
Gueye is rotten player, Oviedo looked twice the player he is in a 5-minute performance. We never got going in the 2nd half and got a bit of luck at the end but I'll take that.
Strange subs as well, Felli and Jelavic looked shattered from the 60-minute mark and we really struggled to create anything.
A very strange game and I for one am glad its over.
771 Posted 28/10/2012 at 15:42:16
772 Posted 28/10/2012 at 15:41:05
773 Posted 28/10/2012 at 15:42:11
774 Posted 28/10/2012 at 15:30:22
775 Posted 28/10/2012 at 15:45:09
As for saying we were lucky at the end... Bollocks. Why wasn't rat boy - who I have to say is one of the most detestable players I have ever seen - sent off? He took Mirallas out the game, and the tackle on Distin was nothing short of shithouse tactics.
Back to the game itself then... Although horrible to go two down the way we did, it was superb to get back into it the way we did, and unlucky not to go on and win.
We are still fourth, got key players coming back (Fellaini and Gibson) and are six points ahead of that vermin... Well played blue boys.
776 Posted 28/10/2012 at 15:48:36
Moyes could have shaken the forward line up with ten to go with Vellios coming on but he's cautious.
I just don't like that lot being in Goodison Park and I hope they disinfect the whole place.
777 Posted 28/10/2012 at 15:48:49
778 Posted 28/10/2012 at 15:52:17
If we'd have had Pienaar, Gibson, and Mirallas for the whole 90 minutes we would have embarrassed them. They are no great shakes and will be going nowhere this year playing like that. Let them have their moan about how the whole world is against them. Let them celebrate any lucky home win like they've won the World Cup. We were so far superior with even half a team it was ridiculous. Well played Phil Neville as well, takes far too much stick and played well today.
779 Posted 28/10/2012 at 15:53:48
780 Posted 28/10/2012 at 15:50:53
781 Posted 28/10/2012 at 15:57:08
782 Posted 28/10/2012 at 15:58:37
Just because we didn't win 3-0 doesn't automatically mean we were crap. If we were bad, how bad were they? Their midfield barely featured. Rodgers philosophy morphed into playing 8-0-2 and just lashing it long, straight back to the typical kick-and-rush football of the Benitez days, the only sort they know how to play. Lob it up, wait for the ball to come down, foul everyone in sight and hope Gerrard has lashed it in in the meantime.
783 Posted 28/10/2012 at 15:52:30
Good to come back from two down; we need to get back to winning ways though.
784 Posted 28/10/2012 at 15:57:13
All-in-all, I'm pretty content, especially as we were 0-2 down. With respect to Moyes's decisions, I don't think his tactics were that poor. I would personally have rather seen Oviedo on instead of Gueye (who is a Championship player imo), and would have liked to have seen Anichebe for Jelavic with 10/15 minutes to go. But we were good today, and played to our capacity after the first 15 minutes unlike last season's derby matches, and Jelavic should really have put us 3-2 up. We are though constrained by our squad depth, and I really hope we have the capacity to add a central midfielder and a talented wide player in the January window (Donovan?).
I was impressed with Osman today.
785 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:03:35
786 Posted 28/10/2012 at 15:44:17
Thought, apart from some general sloppiness and a couple of poor decisions at both ends of the pitch, we were the better team by far until around 70 minute mark. Problem was we probably could have done with a couple more midfield options than we have at the moment. Unavailability of Pienaar and Mirallas injury (hopefully short-term) important factors but we still could easily have won that game.
Suarez did for Mirallas and was obviously trying to nobble Distin (followed up by Shelvey who deserved yellow for his challenge but got away with it I think), presumably to give him that channel to run into. Mirallas challenge looked innocuous and perhaps accidental but I would like a closer look having seen how deliberate the Distin achilles stamp was.
Hilarious that Suarez 'winner' was ruled out; annoying that on Sky they still credited him with 2 when the first was an obvious own goal.
787 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:04:51
It was no worse than Gerrard's dive when Osman 'outmuscled' him for their last-minute free kick. The media will really twist everything their way. The reality is we should be disappointed after battering them despite all our injuries and misfortune to only take one point.
The media will turn it into plucky Everton survive last-minute goal, Phil Neville is a cheat, and pretty soon all our players will be thinking 'thank god we hung on for a point'. This didn't happen at all. I know we have an inferiority complex but the media are doing their damned best to make sure we keep it.
788 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:01:33
I thought Marriner was poor and favoured the Bigtime Charlies....
Osman great today, by the way – same with Mirallas before he was kicked out of it.
789 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:09:44
790 Posted 28/10/2012 at 15:58:29
As stated above Suarez should have seen red ditto Sterling. As for the Jags foul, one Sterling shouldn't have been on the pitch anyway but the ref gave a yellow because Sterling wouldn't have got anywhere near the overhit pass.
As for the disallowed goal, didn't you see Coates all over Jags? We played very well and deserved all three points. Hopefully Mirallas won't be out and Gibson makes it for next week.
791 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:06:35
Not a great fan of the ref... How they had eleven on at the end fuck knows.
792 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:16:35
793 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:02:38
794 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:11:37
A silly challenge by Osman, but probably as much due to fatigue as anything else.
Making the most of a poor challenge and any sort of contact is 'clever' play, pretending there has been contact when there was none and feigning injury to get the opponent an excessive punishment is cheating.
795 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:07:58
We were so scared of that little horror all game it was embarrassing. Did well to escape with a draw and humility mostly intact.
796 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:18:47
And why couldn't we take that quick free kick but then 5 minutes later the Gerrard took a quick one?
797 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:22:02
798 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:19:26
799 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:20:06
800 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:25:04
801 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:23:32
Neville didn't get touched AT ALL.
Gerrard didn't dive for their free kick.. it was borderline but Osman was all over him.
To compare that with Neville's dive is frankly churlish.
Open your eyes.
802 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:20:45
803 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:24:25
Don't get your second paragraph. Suarez is a shit, but he is also a talented and tricky player. Defenders mostly handled their attackers pretty well today.
804 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:31:22
805 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:25:03
806 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:34:19
807 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:20:16
I can't remember disliking a footballer as much as Suarez. He really does seem to be a horrible individual and thats putting it politely. Probably why he's never played for a higher profile club as the likes of Man Utd, Barca etc wouldn't put up with him creating the bad PR.
I thought Neville and Osman were great by the way.
The linesman missed that Suarez was onside but,1 second earlier, the ref missed that Jags was fouled. That's called justice.
808 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:28:13
1) I don't feel the fear or inferiority complex we've undoubtedly had with regard to the RS exists any more. Even at two nil down I had the feeling we'd get back on terms and actually thought we'd go on to win it. We are without a doubt a better side than them.
2) We still need another couple of additions to the squad. I dreaded the effect the loss of Mirallas would have in the second half, and it DID lessen our threat hugely, although we could have still gone on to win it.
3) Suarez is (hate to admit it) undoubtedly a very good player indeed, but if it wasn't already blatantly obvious he is also a horrible toerag of a person. The stamp on Disitn's achilles was just out of sheer spite with the intention of hurting the man.
4) With regard to the decision on 94 minutes....there just MIGHT be a God after all!
810 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:28:47
The bad refereeing takes the spot light off our shit defending. We could not defend their free kicks and so what if they sat back, wanting to counter? If we were better organised at the back we could have pressed further up the field, like we did in the last 20 mins of the first half. We were at our best when we pushed up.
In each of the last 4 games we have gone behind first. Attacking wise we seem to have it sorted as we have come back, so credit goes to Moyes there. But defensively he has lost the plot. And when it comes to substitutions - he still bottles it. We were crying out for a change after 60 mins and Oviedo comes on in the 85th. Poor.
811 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:42:42
812 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:36:34
813 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:28:26
814 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:22:45
I have to say I'm disappointed with how we performed. Mirallas was excellent till that rodent took him out the game. After that, I thought Osman and Coleman had good games.
The defence for the 2 goals were poor. Distin looked like he had the semi in the back of his mind, he was shaky all game and fucked up but got away with it a couple of times. Neville did well with the ball today and it seems like he played well but then I remember he is in the side to win back the ball and protect the back 4 which he didn't do once all game. Besides his goal, I thought Naismith offered nothing again and Jelavic was crap because he had no support or supply again.
I really don't know what Moyes was thinking bringing on Gueye. He has been here a while now and I've never even seen him have a decent game, his positioning and movement are terrible.
815 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:37:36
Jelavic was below par couldn't make the ball stick but there again he had poor service for most of match.
Oviedo looked great and gave us a good balance when on and looked to have purpose when got the ball. I felt sorry for Gueye though for such a big lad he looked to have no confidence in himself.
We need Gibson back though as we need a few good wins quickly... otherwise the good start will be all for nothing.
816 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:43:03
817 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:49:09
Everyone complains about our squad size but look at the players we had missing. Neville (who played well) and Gueye aren't top quality because they're our second or even third choice. If Suarez and Gerrard had been missing like Gibson and Pienaar, plus Sterling off at half-time who would they have played?
As it was, our reserves such as Naismith came in and did well. God knows how many we would have won by had it been our best 11 versus theirs. Joe Allen – Ł15 million, dear lord.
818 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:41:52
But every time cheat-racist-scumbag-diver-twat ran at our defence I had my hand on my heart. Jeez we looked shaky at times. Not Distin's best day; speed and reading Jags, speed and reading. Funny aint it: dour dreary defence-first Davey (choice of Ds is a dig there) – biggest problem right now is sorting out centre defence. Next window priority please DM. I felt that Coleman had his best game in a long while and that's reason to be cheerful, Part 1.
I thought that Ossie was bang on form today and I don't like him as a rule of thumb. That diving twat Neville – people like him Brenda says ruin the game and we must stamp Nev-like antics out once and for all if we are to return morality to footie – was steady today.
That said, and even given the largely dross Allen and prison camp guard #2 and the other one, I still think that the diver/Ossie pairing is the proverbial Achilles Heel.
How was cheat-dive-racist-twat not red-carded for what he did twice today? The turning point was losing Kev at half-time and, ironically, the changes made by delectable Brenda to tighten things up largely because of absent KM.
Mirallas was sparkling in the 1st half, sparkling. Licking my lips here for what's ahead. Go easy on Jelly: a proven goalscorer and will score shitloads in the weeks to come.
When all is fit and done:
Coleman, Jagielka, window-buy/Distin/Duffy, Baines;
Mirallas, Gibson, Osman, Pienaar;
Subs: window buy/Howard, Heitinga, Oviedo (Costa Rican top dressing room comic,apparently), Barkley, Neville, Naismith (fearing for the hair, mate)...
819 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:50:25
Considering we played badly, similar to the QPR game, it was good result. The squad depth is a problem. Also, the fact that Moyes has delayed his contract could cost us a place in Europe; he's still waiting for someone to come in for him, I expect.
820 Posted 28/10/2012 at 16:58:32
821 Posted 28/10/2012 at 17:01:59
A total scum bag.
822 Posted 28/10/2012 at 17:00:10
823 Posted 28/10/2012 at 17:09:17
824 Posted 28/10/2012 at 17:11:52
825 Posted 28/10/2012 at 17:13:29
826 Posted 28/10/2012 at 17:11:08
827 Posted 28/10/2012 at 17:15:47
Worst Everton player in some years and I have no idea how he gets on the bench.
828 Posted 28/10/2012 at 17:28:06
Still, Osman, can't tackle, gets pushed off the ball too easy, can't pass, never plays well or scores against the"big" teams.
829 Posted 28/10/2012 at 17:23:41
Losing Mirallas was a huge loss. Gueye is clearly not going to make it. Coleman stuck at it, and I thought Osman and Neville did well against Gerrard, Allen and Sahin. They aren't the answer, but they kept us in the game. Naismith did alright, he worked hard, but his final ball could have been a lot better.
The sad thing for Merseyside football is that you would struggle to make a decent team out of a combined 11. How fortunes have fallen.
830 Posted 28/10/2012 at 17:31:48
831 Posted 28/10/2012 at 17:28:23
We were sorely missing Gibson, Mirallas and Pienaar second half and Fellaini was not not fully fit. We'll be okay with them back. I would like to see Duffy play – Skirtel & Agger look far better than our pairings.
832 Posted 28/10/2012 at 17:23:51
2nd Bainesy own goal in succession. Let's hope that's the end of them.
Suarez was offside for their second goal and IMO it was never a free kick.
Suarez should have been carded for kicking Mirallas and therefore should have been sent off for the foul on Distin.
As regards their "disallowed" goal it was never a free kick in a million years and if you check the replay Coates comes from an offside position before he jumps on Jagielka's back to head it across goal.
Why did we get 4 yellows and they only got 2? Coates certainly did enough for a yellow. Playing them is like playing 12 men.
833 Posted 28/10/2012 at 17:35:12
834 Posted 28/10/2012 at 17:44:40
835 Posted 28/10/2012 at 17:40:18
We were lucky to get a draw. I can't recall a time in my life when we've come back from 2 down to get at least a draw against them.
The ref issued a few iffy yellows, and could've issued a few more, some of which would've been 2nd yellows i.e. red. I thought he was alright, didn't favour any team more than the other.
I'm gonna get blasted for this, but kudos to Suarez. His celebration for his "goal" (the one Baines got) was humourous, and when he was about to make a scene of having a coin thrown at him, thought better of it and tucked said coin into his socks.
The biggest compliment I can pay him is I now think he's marginally less a c**t than his skipper.
We were favourites in some quarters for the win, after the shambolic way we went 2 down, I'm elated with the draw.
Delighted with a draw at home to the worst Liverpool side since the one we lost to thrice last season.
836 Posted 28/10/2012 at 17:44:27
837 Posted 28/10/2012 at 17:47:17
Neville (who played well) and Gueye aren't top quality because they're our second or even third choice.
In what parallel universe is Neville second or even third choice?
838 Posted 28/10/2012 at 17:51:47
Gueye wasn't bought as a striker. He has said himself that he see's himself as someone who plays behind the forward but he's been here a while now and has only ever been played on the left. He should of by now learned where he should stand and where and when to make runs off the ball.
839 Posted 28/10/2012 at 17:54:22
I can't handle the negativity on this site anymore. Bye.
841 Posted 28/10/2012 at 17:48:24
842 Posted 28/10/2012 at 17:43:12
843 Posted 28/10/2012 at 17:57:44
Paul Gueye was a striker before we bought him, whether that's as a second striker or a main one it doesn't matter he was not a winger before he came to Everton. No amount of training will give him the agility required to play on the wing, Van Persie can play off the front or as a lead but he can't play on the wing. Surely you should be adding this one to your 'square pegs in round holes argument'. He's never going to get in the team upfront so he flls in out wide when you lose your first two top quality players in that position.
844 Posted 28/10/2012 at 17:42:01
A catalogue would go something like Hughes, Smith , Dalglish ,Sounness Case McMahon Gerrard ,Kuyt et al.
On reflection some of the players were disliked for their ability , some for their attitude and most for their intent to revel in blatant cheating / Gamesmanship.
But the one player who stands out head and shoulders above all of the others is one Louiz Suarez.
Obvious a man with talent but without doubt a very very obnoxious piece of work.
I can think of no other player who courts controversy in quite the same way as this man does.
He regularly attempts to cheat , goad, foul and cry his way through a game , and most annoylingly to me , he always wants to portray himself as the innocent victim.
Now before anyone thinks that someone like Duncan Ferguson is my kind of player , they would be wrong , I was as much embarrassed and ashamed of some of his antics, but at least he did what he did openly.
Let's be honest Duncan was punished regularly and his media profile was tarnished because of some of his behaviour.
But in these sensitive times , when footballers are constantly asked to be role models, how does somebody like Suarez get named Man of the Match , when he puts in 2 extremely nasty challenges , his 'celebration' in front of David Moyes is reported on Sky as fair banter , due to Mr Moyes pre-match comments and generally his behaviour is excused constantly by the media on a daily basis.
I don't believe that if he played for any other English team , his behaviour would be accepted by the media , in fact they would hound him down at every given opportunity.
NB if you thought Mr. Marriner had a bad game , Mr Clattenberg has just done even worse in the Chelsea v Man U game.
845 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:01:22
846 Posted 28/10/2012 at 17:51:33
Do you not think he's a cunt for trying to break two of our players ankles?
847 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:01:36
848 Posted 28/10/2012 at 17:52:52
Suarez should have been off for potentially career ending rake on on Distin's achilles tendon. Accidental? Only if me going for a drink tonight is something I wouldn't dream of doing. Entirely deliberate. As a footballer he thinks quick and reacts quick. He could have put his boot to left or right. He was looking at what he wanted to put it on. Eye on the ball, eye on the opponent. He's a culo. (Look it up).
He should be
849 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:05:00
Forwards make all sorts of "loose" challenges, not everyone is a shrinking violet like Lineker was.
850 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:09:41
851 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:04:59
I have no idea if Gueye played up front for his French club but if he did then he was playing out of position for them as well as he has said himself he see's himself as an attacking midfielder that plays in the hole not a striker.
If van Persie plays in the hole he is still a striker playing deep but in our case Fellaini plays there. That doesnt make Fellaini a striker, he is a midfielder playing in the hole just like Gueye would be.
I don't see what agility has to do with making runs off the ball. When Baines is bombing down the wing Gueye just runs slowly 10 yards in front of him instead of running into space to make himself available for a pass or at least take a defender away with him.
852 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:15:43
We have some good players and our strongest 11 is a match for most teams in the premiership. There's not much depth although I did think that Oviedo looked pretty promising in his brief cameo. Hopefully Gibsons back soon and the mirallas injury was just a small knock. Fulham away is not easy but bar that the next few matches all look very winnable.
854 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:14:26
1. I thought the ref did okay. He made some dogy decisions but it was fairly even and he wasn't too trigger-happy (despite 7 yellows).
2. I thought Gueye did okay. Not spectacular but tidy enough.
3.Hardly anyone here has said anything about our defending for their second goal. That was embarrassing.
4. Thought perennial TW boo-boys Neville (apart from the dive) and Ossie did well today.
5. Jelavic wasn't at the races today and if that happens there isn't any decent alternative, it seems?
6. Don't like our players waving imaginary yellows - I like the moral high ground even when we are playing a side that has never been in the same area code as the moral high ground.
7. On recent form, irt could have been worse. Imagine losing to them twice in a row to a last minute sucker-punch?
855 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:18:53
856 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:21:37
When asked for his reaction (to the racist, cheat, diving, evil, twat's swan-dive in front of him after the 1st goal), the Scot said: "I thought it was great. I actually quite liked that and it's the sort of thing I'd have done if I'd have scored."
Classy with due dignity, Davey. Dour? Sour? Can be at times, but that's classic.
And then we have delectable buxom Brenda's reaction: "Rodgers described the celebration as nothing more than Scouse wit." How about what would you expect from a mentally challenged vile and evil sub-life racist twat? WTF do Brenda and Luis low-life know about 'scouse wit'? That busty Brenda, she's a wag, getting on with the scousers like a house on fire.
857 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:26:09
Re Fellaini - he was clearly not fit, and I thought he did alright all things considered. Generally though this season I think he has been hot and cold - he was terrible at Wigan (but latterly could've been down to the knock he took) but as long as other teams/managers fear him like they do, he's worth a start when fit. It was telling yesterday on R5 that WBA player Reid was going on about how they had a game plan for him when we suffered our only league defeat so far. If other teams are operating like this then in theory there should be more opportunities for other midfield / attackers, but I don't see us capitalising on it.
858 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:29:22
It's not quite revenge for Clive Thomas, but it's part of the way there. And was funny — ONCE I regained consciousness....!
859 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:04:52
860 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:26:27
Having said that, it was a creditable result for the Blues after being 2 down so early. Yes, Suarez is a very dangerous player but, to everyone but Reds fans, he is an asshole and I can't wait till he gets his comeuppance which surely won't be long...
861 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:31:59
862 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:35:37
863 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:31:00
864 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:39:51
866 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:42:10
867 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:41:35
872 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:50:09
873 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:50:38
874 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:42:15
James 865, having watched how he made himself available all game, nice and simply getting a tackle in here, laying off a series of lovely passes to both sides of the pitch, along with an excellent goal I imagine you can guess at the nature of my earlier comment. In addition, their 3rd goal, was down to little Ossie battling just that bit stronger than the great Stevie G right at the end of the game, so much so that the great one had to go down for that free kick.
875 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:53:58
876 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:54:34
877 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:51:42
Coleman is not in my opinion good enough at the moment for the Prem. Gueye is also not good enough. The lad above who said he had a good game was watching a different game to me.
Despite all that, we still got a point. That shows how good the opposition are.
878 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:58:39
879 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:52:57
I can't remember him winning a single tackle,in fact I can't remember him making a tackle, can't remember him winning a header, can't remember him making an interception and when Liverpool's midfield ran with the ball at our defence Neville was no where to be seen.
So he done a lot better than usual in possesion but didn't do anything he is in the team to do, which in my eyes means he can't have played well.
880 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:56:32
881 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:57:42
882 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:30:53
Some comments seem to have come from the raised expectations generated by our good start to the season. Suddenly all our players are expected to be world beaters and all opposition is expected to cower before our superiority.
Ironic that Seamus has not attracted any flak considering his mistake led to their first goal. Not saying he should particularly because of his efforts overall, but it is strange considering the negative attention some of the players have been getting.
Personally, pleased with the efforts of all the players, if not with all individual actions or decisions. Thought it was a big improvement on the performances at Wigan and QPR, and on another day we could have pinched the victory. With Gibson and Pienaar we could have strolled it.
883 Posted 28/10/2012 at 19:00:40
884 Posted 28/10/2012 at 19:01:27
886 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:50:42
I thought Neville gave his all and played some great footbal in the first half when the pressure was on, offering to take the ball off the defence in close quarters. I myself have slagged him on here for being too slow and lacking in ability, but credit were credits due he tirned up today and stood up to the challenge.
Again I have slated Ossie on here for being physically inadequate but he put a shift in and played some good stuffs switching the play under pressure.
Last and not least Coleman got up and down well was always an attacking option and done well with his defensive duties I cant see what your argument is?
887 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:42:33
His every action stinks of arrogance controversy and confrontation.
He baits refs, fans and opposition, yet has all the attributes of a player who — if he showed more respect to everyone else in the game — could rival Messi for brilliance
As for today's game, while the Reds crew think 'we wuz robbed', I think the linesman flagged for a foul on Jags and not offside as the little rat wasn't. In fact, overall, a fair result.
889 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:59:31
That little tway was trying to gain a huge advantage for his side twice by deliberately trying to injure an opponent.
890 Posted 28/10/2012 at 19:08:51
891 Posted 28/10/2012 at 19:07:54
My argument is simple, Neville didn't do anything he is in the team to do even if he did do well on the ball.
I've already said Jelavic was shite, Osman and Coleman played well and I thought Mirallas was our best player.
892 Posted 28/10/2012 at 19:02:30
Sterling should have been sent off for persistent fouling and Suarez had to go for the stamp on Distin, he should have been booked for a foul on Mirallas in the first half.
On the disallowed goal, it wasn't a foul that lead to it, it was a foul on Jagielka by Coates and obviously Suarez should have been sent off. Justice was done as far as I'm concerned!
893 Posted 28/10/2012 at 19:09:17
We should have won today and were unlucky not to. Super Kev outstanding, sheer class hope the injury is not serious.....
We played some good football today. Hopefully next 4 games there's no reason why we can't get 12 points, let's hope Gibson is back.
894 Posted 28/10/2012 at 19:13:45
895 Posted 28/10/2012 at 19:06:02
896 Posted 28/10/2012 at 19:12:35
Neville didn't have to do all those things you accuse him of not doing because they barely played at all in the second half. I can't remember Gerrard, Allen (did he even play?) or Sahin putting together a meaningful passing sequence all game. They didn't bother trying to penetrate Osman and Neville – they just launched it over the top of them to Sterling and Suarez.
We were so comfortable in the second half that Neville and Osman were practically playing it round the front of their box whilst our centrebacks were on the halfway line. Any time they got out, they'd lash it down a flank for one of them to run after, there was no nitty gritty in the middle for Neville to be sorting out (thank goodness because I thought he was nailed on for a red).
He did well on the ball and him and Osman showed for it under pressure in a way that a lot of 'superior' players (in some people's judgement) haven't in past derbies (Arteta, Rodwell, Fellaini). Once these two started passing in the middle, the whole facade of Liverpool's passing superiority just fell apart.
If we'd been Liverpool, would any of us have been happy with that performance? 2 goals up rather fortuitously to then sit back and allow ourselves to be dominated (by Osman and Neville), concede our two-goal lead and then do absolutely nothing in the second half to respond to that apart from bringing on an extra defender and pumping it long?
We had Liverpool playing 5 at the back; the reason we were so dodgy is because we were all over them for most of the game. I've never seen a derby (even the 3-0) in my lifetime where we've been so much more superior on the ball than Liverpool were (even with injuries!).
898 Posted 28/10/2012 at 19:17:02
Coates did stray offside at some point... although perhaps not exactly when the ball was played in by Gerrard. The linesman was not signalling for a foul on Jagielka. I believe he saw a red shirt ahead of the defensive line at some point and flagged it.
899 Posted 28/10/2012 at 19:23:04
We may be short on ability at times but you can't fault the players' attitudes.
901 Posted 28/10/2012 at 19:20:40
I would give Neville a 6 out of 10, in my eyes that's about average.
I haven't said any where on this thread that he was poor, I just disagree with him being one of our better players. Mirallas, Osman, Coleman and Baines played better.
902 Posted 28/10/2012 at 19:20:13
Could be my hazy recollection, but these "forwards" tackles have been going on for ages, and seldom cracked down upon. Some real dirty buggers down the years masquerading under the "forwards can't tackle" mantra. Now the emphasis is on diving apparently, as Torres will testify.
904 Posted 28/10/2012 at 19:29:07
905 Posted 28/10/2012 at 19:25:10
MK you are right he did use the offside signal, so he either got it wrong re offside, or wrong re the signal.
Some say two wrongs don't make a right. Ha, what was so right and really so funny, was seeing Stevie G doing the celebration running to their fans and then the resultant panic when he saw Baines powering towards him with no goal given. LOL
BTW when Baines did go past him, did he try to take him out or was it just me?
906 Posted 28/10/2012 at 19:38:11
907 Posted 28/10/2012 at 19:11:36
Mirallas' injury and Gueyes surprise (wtf) introduction surrended the impetus from the latter stages of the 1st half, but overall chuffed with the fight back.
We played well, and from my seat dominated large parts of the game. Mirallas was direct and pacy and gave their young RB a torrid time, also thought Osman played well today. He takes some flak off me at the match but he deserves credit for his performance today, as does Neville who's surely living on borrowed time at CM.
I hope Gibson is not another sick note as with him and Pienaar back, and a Jelavic whos boots are on the right feet, we're a bloody good team and a match for anybody.
908 Posted 28/10/2012 at 19:40:39
Ref and lino in constant communication. I wonder what one said to the other? We'll never know. But I'll bet the words flag and OK came into it. Not fixed (by us - with our Euromillions?) but agreed by officials. They owe us a few, as they know. Brenda has been warned as to his conduct (v-a-v refs) Pay back time?
909 Posted 28/10/2012 at 19:43:39
The point is simple: Phil Neville is not second or third choice player for Moyes, as James claims. He's the team captain and therefor one of the first names on the team sheet. [This is where I should say FACT... but I won't.]
910 Posted 28/10/2012 at 19:50:15
Just looked at the stats we had more possession, more shots, more shots on target and committed less fouls than brendas little angels. I have to eat humble pie as a lot of us on here do and say that Neville and Osman dominated midfield and both were excellent thoughout.
The best bit though was seeing them have a goal wiped off in the last minute perhaps our luck is going to change after the litany of awful decisions we have suffered against them.
911 Posted 28/10/2012 at 19:55:45
912 Posted 28/10/2012 at 19:39:17
I've never loathed a player as much in my 46 years on this planet. And there aren't too many others who've filled me with revulsion as much - maybe Jimmy S, the Baby P killers, Jamie Bulger's killers, Hindley and Brady. Obviously the latter's crimes were so much worse but there's just something about him that says "100% gobshite". I'm almost ashamed to say it but I hope he befalls some horrible fate soon or he is outed as Gary Glitter's secret love-gimp (don't ask).
Very disappointed we didn't stuff them today. Was gutted at 2-0 down. Couldn't listen to any of the second half due to stress-induced nerves / nausea and have felt depressed ever since the final whistle.
Despite Neville's "dive" (I heard about it, haven't seen it yet) we always have, are and always will be a cut above those gobshites.
913 Posted 28/10/2012 at 19:59:41
I cant understand why Evertonians are not fed up with his boring scared football. I have said this before: 'We have a great horse but a poor jockey.' — Sums it all up.
914 Posted 28/10/2012 at 19:43:37
We didn't surrender at the start of the second half. With about twenty five minutes to go a few stats were shown that showed we had had 12 efforts to their 6 and possession was 60/40 in our favour.
What Magaye Gueye did quite well, and for which some are giving him no credit, is retain possession and look to play in Baines. He does apparently lack pace and real attacking instincts so his ultimately usefulness and future at EFC is open to question, but he did okay today.
They switched tactics at half time, making two substitutions, and concentrated on containing us. Their only outlet was trying to play Sterling and Snaggletooth in behind the central defenders. That only worked for them a couple of times up until our midfield started to run out of steam with 20 to go, which is why El Tusko tried to take Buzz out of the game.
Two of the best aspects of the game for me; 'Crease 'ead' was virtually anonymous and they are so reliant on a teenager that they will be in major trouble if he is unavailable.
915 Posted 28/10/2012 at 19:56:22
There only threat was the individual skills from Suarez and Sterling and not by playing us off the park. Our midfield were strong until Kevin went off, Brian should have come on, he looks a very well balanced capable left sided player.
Think we would have won with Kevin still on, the lad really got stuck in and will be some player for us, hope he is ok as that was a cynical challenge on him. No yellow card? compare that to what Osman was booked for, Crazy.
Hell of a game all said and done, full strength next week hopefully and turn these draws to victories.
Plenty of spirit again, love the determination, still scoring goals, all to play for.
Think back 12 months for a reality check on where we sit now.
Proud of the team today more to come from the lads i'm sure.
916 Posted 28/10/2012 at 20:04:08
917 Posted 28/10/2012 at 20:02:34
To expand on the frequently used abbreviation FTRS: FUCK THE RED SHITE. It's about time we got a little luck our way.
Also reading some of the posts on here you would be forgiven if you thought we got twatted 5-0 and all our players are shite, which couldn't be further from the truth.
Again, well played blues.
918 Posted 28/10/2012 at 20:07:53
Suarez was the difference again, we can't handle him and despite his ethical and facial shortcomings, he's out of place at the shite... Pity he hasn't realised it yet.
Just one side note: I read on here someone saw Brendan Rodgers on the train back from London in the last couple of weeks (which sounds like bollocks in itself) and he admitted he didn't like the way Suarez behaved and had 'had a word'... Well it didn't look like he'd had a word when he was clapping the idiot like a sycophantic child as he did his sea lion impression in front of the Everton bench – arrogant, snide cunt.
919 Posted 28/10/2012 at 20:13:35
Even more amazing is that Chelsea are to "formally complain" about his performance.
Would love to see how that works out... Of course many of us here could cite evidence of previous....
920 Posted 28/10/2012 at 20:09:29
Credit to seamus today, I thought he was decent. He needs to work on his final ball once he gets clear. He is starting to take his chance and should be a fixture over the next 5 games or so. Nearly scored with a rasping drive too today.
921 Posted 28/10/2012 at 20:15:26
922 Posted 28/10/2012 at 20:19:18
923 Posted 28/10/2012 at 20:22:23
924 Posted 28/10/2012 at 20:24:37
925 Posted 28/10/2012 at 20:25:03
926 Posted 28/10/2012 at 20:25:46
927 Posted 28/10/2012 at 20:27:06
Credit to everton for keeping their discipline, which secured a point. 11 cool heads, when 39,000 in the stands would have been a little less calm.
928 Posted 28/10/2012 at 20:28:12
929 Posted 28/10/2012 at 20:19:27
930 Posted 28/10/2012 at 20:33:47
But... it wasn't a free kick in the first place and Suarez should've been sent off by then anyway.
931 Posted 28/10/2012 at 20:35:55
Did you not watch the game Shane? Blatant deliberate trip away from the ball. As clear as crystal yellow card. I suppose you think Suarez didn't deliberately rake Distin's achilles?
932 Posted 28/10/2012 at 20:14:17
Moyes sees them in training and chose Gueye but imo he made a mistake, as Gueyes lack of pace left us with little option but to hit it more and more direct. Baines didn't appear trust him with his signature give and go and unlike him visibly castigated Gueye on one occasion out of frustration. As u can guess I'd have played the pacy Oviedo but as I say Moyes sees them day in day out so must have thought Gueye could bring something to the party.
As for the stats, just seen them on sky and they differ greatly to the goodison scoreboard stats which had us well ahead on shots on target.
Still think we were worthy of all 3 points today and am optimistic about the season ahead, barring injuries
933 Posted 28/10/2012 at 20:35:26
That'll make their inevitable whining even sweeter.
934 Posted 28/10/2012 at 20:37:45
As for was it a goal or not a goal I for don't care a jot, what is it they always say to
us, look in the papers tomorrow and see what the final score was , that's right 2-2.
Although I do admit , I was so gutted when it went over the line , I hadn't realised it had not been given for a good few seconds.
935 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:05:00
Onwards and upwards .
936 Posted 28/10/2012 at 20:32:45
The goal was rightly dissallowed but for the wrong reason. Justice though, which is something Suarez seems to have a problem with anyway.
937 Posted 28/10/2012 at 20:26:43
I thought we played really well and a shame not to win. All you Neville and Osman haters can say what you like; both played fantastic and did us proud.
938 Posted 28/10/2012 at 20:42:56
I've lined/reffed at local level and, to be honest, there comes a point when, after taking buckets of shit attitude from a gobby, snide, 'what? Me, ref/lino?' wanker who's not as good as he thinks he is, you think 'how can I fuck him over?'. Then the chance comes. So you do.
939 Posted 28/10/2012 at 20:47:00
The rs will love him for this celebration, but the positive for me is that he has made a right cock of himself in front of the world, highlighting he is a diver reducing any stick on pens/protection going forward. I can't help but think he has shot himself in the foot by increasing the publicity that he dives. What a brainless scumbag.
940 Posted 28/10/2012 at 20:48:28
941 Posted 28/10/2012 at 20:44:52
Kudos to him for admitting his folly.
A little humility & self-awareness are some of the many nobler attributes that separate us from them.
942 Posted 28/10/2012 at 20:58:35
I predict the focus will be on Suarez's disallowed goal and his celebratory dive. No, or little, mention will be made of the incidents which confirm that not only is he a cheat, but a coward who would happily end the career of a fellow pro
943 Posted 28/10/2012 at 20:51:32
He's obviously got his eye on the OT job when SAF shuffles off.
945 Posted 28/10/2012 at 21:09:20
946 Posted 28/10/2012 at 20:24:06
Many asked before the game that at least we don't just lie down and bottle it but instead go at them and play the good, on-the-ground football we've playing this season (this year). And that's what we did. Not so badly in the second half and certainly well in the first.
And for me that shifts the psychology for the future against them, wherever we play them. And that changed psychology should also spring from the fact we came back from two down. Massive points in my view.
One gain from this game was that Oviedo looked full of it as soon as he came on. I can't see that Maggie May should ever go on the pitch before him - but having said that, today at least Maggie did much more positive than negative.
Suarez a wonderful footballer, and the most disgusting person I've ever seen on a football pitch. The scrape of studs from behind down Sylvia's achilles tendon, when the ball was a yard in front of Sylvia was calculated to harm - and it could have put him out for a year (?). I'm so angry at that and the fact that he got away with it.
The majority on this thread see Osman as having a very good game - totally agree. And most seem to think Pip held up well. Agree also. That on-the-ground football I think is so good sprung initially from them, regardless of the argument of how much they stopped anybody (I think in fact that they covered huge amounts of ground and at least jockeyed to close down space).
I guess the jury will still be out on Coleman at RB - but today very solid.
Miracles scared the shit out them driving into the box.
On balance, then, I feel really good about today's outcome and what it augurs for the future (with Gibson still to return, Felli still to be fully fit (?), a possible additions in January (Vadis?) and Barkley to return better for the loan spell?
947 Posted 28/10/2012 at 20:52:00
So we gained a point from a wrong decision but we're still owed 5 from the Wigan and Newcastle games. I can't wait for those RS fuckers trying to gain the moral high ground but I'm sure the error has been noted, normal service will be resumed and we will be fucked over for the next 10 years worth of derbies.
948 Posted 28/10/2012 at 21:16:10
949 Posted 28/10/2012 at 21:14:22
Rodgers is not yet (although he is quickly becoming) deluded enough to not realise that his side had been outplayed most of the game. He seemed reasonably pleased with a point and a snide jibe in our direction. He also made the mistake of saying that we were a good side and a point was good for them (he won't last long, anything less than a moronic adherence to their undeniable superiority over every club in the league will see him pushed out).
950 Posted 28/10/2012 at 21:17:43
951 Posted 28/10/2012 at 21:34:55
952 Posted 28/10/2012 at 21:33:36
953 Posted 28/10/2012 at 21:37:18
954 Posted 28/10/2012 at 21:39:58
Hopefully now though we can blow out all these hard luck Everton stories that have bogged our mindset down for years.
956 Posted 28/10/2012 at 21:50:56
957 Posted 28/10/2012 at 22:01:04
958 Posted 28/10/2012 at 22:01:11
I would just like to thank Mike Gaynes and Paul Ferry for keeping informed on the live Matchday forum during that mad first half.
I managed to listen to the last ten minutes on the radio.
When they 'scored' in the last minute my heart sank and I immediately thought of Gary McAllister....
A good point bearing in mind we were 2 nil down. At least we fought back this year.
Just waiting for Match of the Day now.
960 Posted 28/10/2012 at 22:25:00
962 Posted 28/10/2012 at 22:25:41
Yes, we are still unbeaten... but this still nowhere near good enough. We still could have lost this in injury time — then whose praises would we be singing?
For once, we got the lucky break at the right time when in many other derby games we have lucked out.
Pienaar and Gibson can get things going agai. We have dropped to fifth and it's imperative we reverse the draw mode by beating Fulham next week.
963 Posted 28/10/2012 at 22:33:56
Why did Mariner always seems to allow "advantage" for us, when there clearly wasn't any and immediately give them a free kick?
Their second came from our "advantage", which wasn't and then they won the free kick.
Can't talk about rat boy, as I could end up getting banned.
966 Posted 28/10/2012 at 23:09:06
971 Posted 28/10/2012 at 23:26:48
Mirallas was way ahead of anyone on the pitch til taken out by Ratboy. Can I ask that those on TW that long for the 3rd coming of St Landon now please put that one to bed? We don't need him. Mirallas is younger and franky better.
Someone on the forum said we'd at last found a right back. Really?? Who is that then?? It certainly isn't Coleman. Yet again caught out for a goal by diving in for the first one as well as being out of position. He gives me a cold sweat when he's asked to defend. When he goes forward, does he ever have the ball actually under control??
Osman finally stood up to Gerrard and got the better of him. Often accused of hiding in big games, he was in the thick of it today. As was Neville... I won't mention his dive!! That's not the Everton Way, Phil!! But I guess you were told that at half time...
Too many of our players were below par I thought. Fellaini looked short of fitness, understandably. Jelly was quiet and Distin and Jags looked scared of Ratboy and Sterling – both of whom were lucky to stay on the pitch. Naismith had his best game in an everton shirt. Guyue looked out of his depth again. Was he really Moyes's secret weapon once???
Yet, despite all this, we outplayed them for large parts and it's fair to say we are a better team overall. As for the disallowed goal, all I can say is it's about time....
Oh yea and Suarez is an odious piece of shit!!
976 Posted 29/10/2012 at 00:01:08
We were the best side by a mile but we cannot beat them. Two-nil down... what a comeback and their goal was onside – makes it better!
THE GOAL WAS ON SIDE
THE REF WAS A TWAT
BUT HE GIVE IT OFFSIDE
977 Posted 28/10/2012 at 23:56:33
We can wonder how ANY referee could possibly not see those two Sterling fouls as deserving of a yellow card for each, and how Suarez stayed on the pitch was hard to understand. But then I'm still sitting here in disbelief that the cheating bastard could get space for that second goal. And finally we get lucky with the disallowed goal, even though the late flag surely had to be for the foul on Jags? We can move on now and badly need to get back to winning ways at Fulham because these hard fought draws are full of character but for me momentum means three points not slaps on the back for effort. So right now I'm up for a couple of dull one nil wins.
SP back next week, plus Hibbo I hope. Worried that Mirallas will be missing but just can't wait to see Gibson back sitting in front of the back four. If the season is to be as good as it looks like it could be, we have to convert some draws into wins.
979 Posted 29/10/2012 at 00:21:18
981 Posted 29/10/2012 at 00:49:35
983 Posted 29/10/2012 at 01:14:49
I think Mr Moyes is going to have a very pleasant dilemma on his hands soon... Mirallas looked absolutely devastating down the left today and I for one would love to see more of him there.
But where does that leave the Baines/Pienaar axis?
Blimey O'Reilly.....if someone had said this time last year we would be having this type of a selection problem, he'd have been certified.
985 Posted 29/10/2012 at 02:12:21
988 Posted 29/10/2012 at 01:51:48
989 Posted 29/10/2012 at 03:08:32
However, the first half seems to have been the best of it by all the subsequent accounts I have read. My impressions from the first half were that Jelly was not on the money today and Felli seemed detached. I am still not convinced that Naismith is good enough but Mirallas is looking to be a good signing.
The Sewer Rat gave his usual display of sublime skills and sly, dirty, vicious, cheating play and I thought Gerrard, while playing sluggishly, controlled and whinged to the Ref up to his usual standards. Makes a change for us to get the 'rub of the green' too with their last 'goal'.
990 Posted 29/10/2012 at 03:39:30
997 Posted 29/10/2012 at 05:39:05
998 Posted 29/10/2012 at 05:49:31
Moyes has to get us back into winning ways if we are to become permanent residents of the top four and maybe even better.
From what I have seen of the others, Chelski, Manure and the others they are no great shakes.
Getting Pienaar and Gibson back could get our best form back so that we stop dropping points to these lowlifes. Once again, we gave up an early goal and had to come from behind but at least they are good enough these days to do that whereas, not too long ago, conceding first usually meant defeat.
999 Posted 29/10/2012 at 06:30:00
Nobody has really mentioned how poor the marking was for Liverpool's second, Suarez was free. Distin is playing horrible at the moment which is surprising as he's probably been our most consistent player for the last 2/3 years.
Mirallas was incredible. Was on another planet compared to everyone and when we went off we lacked his mobility.
Think Oviedo should have come on instead of Gueye. I've defended Gueye, but the lad is clearly not good enough. I know he's playing out of position, I can tell the way he moves he looks like an attacking midfielder, but he is not good enough to be a first-team regular. Would rather Barkley than him.
Along with Mirallas, thought Baines and Coleman offered a lot offensively, they were both brilliant down back as well. This was a game where Coleman really had to make his mark and he did perfectly.
I thought our midfield would get murdered by Allen, Gerrard and Sahin. How wrong could I be. I don't subscribe to these "Neville was fantastic" comments, but he put in a shift. Thought Osman was more classier but he needs to watch his headers in the middle.
Jelavic was pretty poor and has been all season. I think he'll get better but when he drops back into midfield he needs to work on his touch.
Suarez and Sterling should have definitely been sent off. Such a shame. This, the Newcastle game, we should have another 4 points on the board. Proud of the boys.
000 Posted 29/10/2012 at 06:36:37
014 Posted 29/10/2012 at 09:06:26
017 Posted 29/10/2012 at 07:25:17
What a ref that Gerrard is! He was awful. He knew he was getting no joy off our midfield so decided to referee the game instead and that shithouse Marriner let him. And please do not get me started on that other fucking THING up front, Cilla Black, carrot-munching, 'could eat an apple through a letter box' prick. The most odious twat to have ever hit these shores... He got away with murder, shouldn't have even been on the field to score the offside goal. Justice was done all right there.
I see Gerrard in today's Echo slagging Neville off for diving — classic case of pot and kettle there la. Yes, he did dive but at least he come right out and apologised. He's more of a man than any of their cheating fuckers.
Him and Oman were outstanding yesterday but let down in midfield by the vastly overrated Fellaini. I just don't get what people see in him. He's had a couple of good games this season and people call him world class it baffles me, it really does. I really hope some so-called big club offer us silly money for him, I'd bite their hands off.
I heard a lot of lads after the game saying he wasn't fully fit. If that was the case, he shouldn't've played – he was a passenger... anyway his first touch is awful for a so-called great player. And he was bailed out by the superb Oman and Neville who I've slagged off recently and Naismith worked hard as well.
All-in-all, we done well to come back from 2 down but really should have gone on and won it because they are one poor side.
019 Posted 29/10/2012 at 09:56:32
021 Posted 29/10/2012 at 10:16:51
He is a spent force and starting to talk a good game now instead of actually playing a good game. That was probably one of his most anonymous performances in a Derby I have ever seen.
We all know that they were there to kick our best players, they way they have done the last few derbys because they know they are nowhere near as good as they used to be. They should have been down to 9 men, possibly 8 if the ref had booked their players as easily as he booked ours.
023 Posted 29/10/2012 at 10:20:45
But to boss the game for long periods (and BTW what happened to Rodgers famed pass and move football?) with a makeshift midfield gives me hope for the future
And Peter Barry(#989) A we were shivering on a wet miserable rainy Sunday, I bid you a friendly piss off!!
030 Posted 29/10/2012 at 11:01:27
040 Posted 29/10/2012 at 12:16:03
051 Posted 29/10/2012 at 12:40:30
One of the deludes was even asking for the FA to be taken to court over decisions not going their way!!!
They don't even see the irony in their pathetic berating of officials, after everything going for them for years. If Mirallas had not taken out by Goofy, we would have won.
I know Suarez is a good player, even though he is a cheating scumbag, but I honestly think he does them more harm than good. He is turning a lot of people off that club, including the media. Great.
055 Posted 29/10/2012 at 13:01:17
The good thing is that Rodgers (nb: someone fast becoming a joke due to his wince-inducing appearances on that channel 5 nonsense) wouldn't have the plums to drop the legend that is 'Stevie G lar', so hopefully, we'll get to see him get older and more ineffective in their midfield and stay in the team at least two years past his sell-by date.
It's funny, they all rave about 'Shanks', but those that remember him know he'd have had Carragher out of there three years ago and he'd have had a 'proper' replacement for Gerrard ready to take over now. Long may he 'reign'.
059 Posted 29/10/2012 at 13:44:06
060 Posted 29/10/2012 at 13:47:37
096 Posted 29/10/2012 at 15:13:46
I haven't seen anything about how bad Mirallas injury is but hopefully it's nothing serious. With SP coming back and Felli getting fit, hopefully we can get back to winning ways. Has anything been said about how soon it is likely to be before Gibbo is back?
175 Posted 29/10/2012 at 19:28:36
505 Posted 31/10/2012 at 10:40:22
580 Posted 01/11/2012 at 00:11:11
585 Posted 01/11/2012 at 02:40:59
586 Posted 01/11/2012 at 04:14:25
Sterling should have been sent off and Suarez should have received two yellow cards for the intentional fouls on Mirallas and Distin (and seeing the slo-mo replays he should have received a straight red for the one on Distin).
So two points dropped to an average side who seem to think they were unlucky!They were lucky to end the match with 11 players on the pitch....
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