Youngster made 12 starts and scored 4 goals
Barkley made 12 starts and one substitute appearance for the Owls, scoring four goals.
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251 Posted 19/11/2012 at 11:51:07
Gives up options at least!
271 Posted 19/11/2012 at 15:23:29
274 Posted 19/11/2012 at 15:34:54
If not then I suspect he will just be warming the bench with Gibson coming back from injury and Hitz looking decent.
276 Posted 19/11/2012 at 15:42:06
Still, extra options are useful, and we can always send him on loan again if we don't need to call on him. I'm sure his time in the Championship has served him well, and hopefully, next season, or the season after that, we will have a first team regular on our hands.
278 Posted 19/11/2012 at 15:51:34
287 Posted 19/11/2012 at 16:15:51
With Gibson and Neville out of action we need another central midfielder option, even if it's just on the bench.
291 Posted 19/11/2012 at 16:27:12
295 Posted 19/11/2012 at 16:39:58
305 Posted 19/11/2012 at 17:24:28
I was pro him being at Wednesday and getting some game time, now we are low on midfielders it makes perfect sense to bring him back and give him an opportunity.
When we get all our first choice players back and if he is struggling to get game time then it might be worth sending him back out on loan. He is still learning.
307 Posted 19/11/2012 at 17:55:32
308 Posted 19/11/2012 at 18:34:26
Why do you think that Paul?
312 Posted 19/11/2012 at 19:18:54
313 Posted 19/11/2012 at 20:00:34
314 Posted 19/11/2012 at 20:00:13
I hope he has learnt from his loan, and can show that the blue half of Merseyside has a talented kid (ours wasn't poached from QPR either).
315 Posted 19/11/2012 at 20:19:07
316 Posted 19/11/2012 at 20:21:08
Another one that's gone off the boil?
317 Posted 19/11/2012 at 20:28:24
319 Posted 19/11/2012 at 20:34:11
322 Posted 19/11/2012 at 20:43:21
323 Posted 19/11/2012 at 20:44:41
325 Posted 19/11/2012 at 21:20:34
326 Posted 19/11/2012 at 21:32:31
Really - some of these posts are absurd. We're short in midfield so we've recalled a promising young player who may - or may not - be around simply as cover. We may loan him out again in January depending how the next six weeks go. For some people, this is beyond reason.
327 Posted 19/11/2012 at 21:48:26
Gibo, has been crocked. Fellani suspended. Neville crocked. Mirallas has been crocked. I reckon we can probably send Pienaar and Ozzie off on a well earned rest and let the on loan Hamburglar sort it all out.
The world's gone mental.
328 Posted 19/11/2012 at 22:18:16
329 Posted 19/11/2012 at 22:13:08
Whilst Seamus Coleman is not performing to the level we may want from him according to GOT website he has been receiving racist abuse from so-called Evertonians.
We do not want any of our players being targeted in this way no matter how many points their individual mistakes may have cost the Blues.
I'm pretty sure nobody on TW is responsible for any of these tweets , but just in case you are , we are supposed to support the players and the team not submit them to abuse or racism. Find another club to support if you hold these sub-human tendancies.
I also think despite our misgivings as a fanbase it is important that the supporters stick with the team in the coming weeks and use the frustration of the past few weeks in a positive way , i.e. get behind the players at every opportunity and hopefully a bit of luck will come our way and we get a few wins.
332 Posted 19/11/2012 at 22:46:52
Having said that, it is evident that all the games have been and will continue to be difficult as Everton have proved they flounder against even the lower clubs. Norwich will be no pushover even if we had Fella and Mirallas back.
Everton seem to have a complex about killing off teams they have outplayed; after not even getting a draw against Reading, one must expect anything to happen, home or away.
333 Posted 19/11/2012 at 22:50:39
337 Posted 20/11/2012 at 01:40:15
343 Posted 20/11/2012 at 05:00:18
353 Posted 20/11/2012 at 10:26:51
355 Posted 20/11/2012 at 10:36:32
Coleman Jags Distin Baines
Naismith Osman Hitz Pienaar
I know Seamus has looked dodgy recently but dunno if Hibbo is fit plus I think Norwich will come for a point so the onues will be on us to break to them down.
356 Posted 20/11/2012 at 10:25:38
I don't go with the theory that he needed to stay on loan all season. A run of 11 games is plenty to get him to get match fit and ready to impact our games. Leon didnt have much longer than this and came back ready to play. Even if he did stay there longer he wont be the finished article for a couple of years anyway. The fact is the lad clearly has an abundance of talent and can therefore be a big threat to opposition teams. You only have to look across the park to see how well Sterling is playing to know if your good enough your old enough. Admittedly we have more attacking options than Liverpool so it would potentially be harder for Ross to hold down a starting place for Everton the way Sterling has. However it's upto Ross himself, if he grabs his opportunity and makes an impact on Saturday he will get more opportunites. Providing he then gets enough game time his development will be better served in the Premier league than the Championship. If he cant make an impact there will still be the opportunity to send him back to Wednesday in the new year without any risk to his long term development.
We have alot of until the end of December, it is a sensible decison to have him available to step in and a much better option than Gueye off the bench. A lot of people who know an awful lot more than any of us on here are tipping him for great things, thats good enough for me.
360 Posted 20/11/2012 at 11:02:38
However, if he is kept out the way up field and we dominate like we have done and get the ball to him around the box, he has got a shot on him. We can't afford to carry too many players but I think Barkley is the one luxury player we can afford to have in the team... but the balance will have to be right. Someone is going to have to do Barkley's running.
366 Posted 20/11/2012 at 11:27:47
369 Posted 20/11/2012 at 11:34:52
371 Posted 20/11/2012 at 11:56:43
374 Posted 20/11/2012 at 12:09:33
The amount of abuse Coleman has been taking on social media sites is a disgrace. He made a mistake, he's still learning his posiiton. He's not going to get better by taking a load of flak. It's all made the worse when they start attacking him for being Irish.
It's bad enough for a young man like Coleman, for a teenager like Barkley, would his shoulders be strong enough?
376 Posted 20/11/2012 at 12:15:29
378 Posted 20/11/2012 at 12:30:39
I cannot understand why professional footballers would ever think of having a twatter account.
It just leaves you open to be verbally abused by idiots, and then complain your feelings are hurt, or even worse, threatened or racially abused by some half - witted tosspot.
The world is full of morons, why give them a platform to threaten footballers?
384 Posted 20/11/2012 at 12:38:51
As a teenager back in March 1972 I recall Tommy Wright scoring an own goal after about 20 seconds in a Derby match at Anfield, exactly a week later he did exactly the same thing in a match at Goodison against Man City !!. Earlier that season in Sept '71 I remember Howard Kendall playing a crossfield pass without looking, which was easily intercepted by a Derby County player and lead to a goal. Both Wright and Kendall are two great names from Everton's history - but not immune from making mistakes. I am sure that we could all recall other examples of other " great names" from our past who made equally " schoolboy" errors that cost goals/games or both.
I doubt whether any player has benefitted from abuse - I am sure like me will have been saddened at the passing of another Everton legend in the summer- Gordon West. I well remember how when he lost form in the early part of the 1970-71 season some of the crowd gave him abuse.Even some of our most fondly remembered players suffered mindless abuse. Yes players get well paid, but they are not machines - human beings make mistakes. If you wanted to be really pedantic you could make a case for sayng that every goal scored could be prevented and is the result of some defensive mistake. We would we all be happy if every game finished 0-0 ?
If you want to see a team game were there are no mistakes made - then football is the wrong game for you. Indeed most team sports would be - I suggest taking up computer gaming where if things go wrong you can always erase things and start again.
I gather that some of the abuse was also racist being anti Irish. As an Evertonian of Irish heritage - ( an Irish-Scouser) I am both saddened and angered by this. As Scousers have often been the subject of such abuse in recent years how sad it is to stoop to such a level. Also such so called fans show a complete ignorance of the very strong links between Everton and Ireland. " If you know your History...?" Clearly some don't!!!!
388 Posted 20/11/2012 at 13:05:01
The sooner McAlpine sues everybody the better. Some people don't have a clue about the legal implications of their ill-judged comments on social media.
390 Posted 20/11/2012 at 13:24:13
Am I racist if I say something like "Irish idiot"? Would it matter if my ancestry was Irish (half of it is). I can see why you'd be annoyed Ciaran and Michael, but I think its important to make distinctions when it comes to 'racism'.
This all reminds of that incident with Saha when someone called him a lazy, French something and got banned for racism. I think calling someone a French something and calling them a black soemthing is very different and should be treated as such.
None of which changes the fact (opinion!) that for an Evertonian to abuse one of their own online is despicable anyway.
392 Posted 20/11/2012 at 13:35:05
I'm following Coleman on twitter but can't see any abuse. I'm a real twitter novice, anyone help me out?
393 Posted 20/11/2012 at 13:38:01
395 Posted 20/11/2012 at 13:41:48
I have never seen a player improve for being abused by supporters and it is horrible to see it . The fact that Seamus is Irish has no bearing on his errors so the fact that it is pointed out doesn't offend me but I still believe that it was meant to offend and that makes it an issue.
400 Posted 20/11/2012 at 13:14:48
EFC is a secular club in every form and anybody that says different is deluded. The same applies to connections with Ireland (North or South), Wales and Scotland — we welcome everybody but we have allegiances with nobody other than Evertonians.
Don’t fall for this Irish connection crap; we have just as much if not more in common with other British Isle countries, naturally based on the location we will have Irish fans and players and we welcome that.
Coleman’s abuse is just because he has played crap in the last 3 games, no different to the stick Big Vic or even Saha had being Irish gives it a convenient spin for the thick people no different than if he had red hair like Moyes.
401 Posted 20/11/2012 at 14:03:42
Pablo #356. It could be a transitory thing but I'm not sure anyone can compare the impact of Sterling with Ross B. Sadly one has started his career brilliantly at 17 and frankly looks like a Prem player already, though I'm wondering about his temperament on the pitch. The other has struggled with injuries, had a stop start career, but honestly doesn't look anywhere near as good as the hype suggested.
Still, if he gets a chance on Saturday lets hope he grabs it and impresses.
403 Posted 20/11/2012 at 14:30:20
405 Posted 20/11/2012 at 14:55:14
406 Posted 20/11/2012 at 13:41:52
407 Posted 20/11/2012 at 15:02:16
408 Posted 20/11/2012 at 14:54:11
We've been through this before. The legislators have seen fit to expand the legal definition of racially aggravated public order offences to include nationality... and I happen to agree with that move.
No doubt you'll get someone on crowing about dictionary definitions and some other mealy mouthed pandering but that does not change the above fact.
411 Posted 20/11/2012 at 15:18:58
Actually it's important NOT to make "distinctions" when it comes to racism & the law has recognised this point.
413 Posted 20/11/2012 at 15:22:16
Agree with you 100%, why does anybody have a twitter account, #colemanisaliabilityatrb!
414 Posted 20/11/2012 at 15:23:00
As for Barkley, I would hope he has made some progress since his last Everton appearance or he too will be a liability.
416 Posted 20/11/2012 at 15:23:58
I agree with you that it's a good move as it gives them more leeway to prosecute people who are being unpleasant to others who might otherwise have got away on a semantic technicality. However, I still don't think that everyone who technically breaks a law should be prosecuted. Neither, I think do the legislators.
I think I've summed up, very briefly, everything I said last time, so I'm hoping that'll do.
418 Posted 20/11/2012 at 15:53:59
On the Coleman issue, I have to say Coleman has been copping it from everyone recently, people forget about everything that he offers us going forward and only now remember the mistakes. Yes, he is still only 23 and developing, and he will make mistakes, but I think we should continue with him as I still feel that he is the future and I am confident with Moyes's guidance he will cut out the mistakes.
Nobody even mentions his track back and goal-saving tackle and block on Saturday, which was superb. When the result goes against us, people just want to remember the bad stuff. I say give Seamus a bit of slack and stay behind him, particularly for the Norwich game where his attacking forays forward will be vital to us securing the win.
419 Posted 20/11/2012 at 15:45:05
Just because it's a social media platform, someone can be arrested for being insulting, even on 'friends only' Facebook. I've seen far more insulting words spoken on Family Guy than any 17-year-old mouthing off to Tom Daley via Twitter.
421 Posted 20/11/2012 at 15:57:35
426 Posted 20/11/2012 at 16:12:48
On Coleman, yep... boneheaded challenge and the ref was never gonna need much assistance giving it... BUT... the guy has been good for us this season, is definitely the future... and if you aren't allowed to make the odd mistake, then it makes for a poor show of "supporting" in my eyes. Every defender makes mistakes, ask Chelsea fans about Luis... but as long as he learns I don't care.
I am pleased we are where we are... that we are playing nice football and creating chances — certainly makes a change from years gone by!
431 Posted 20/11/2012 at 16:20:05
Would we be making a big deal of it if we were 3 nil up from the first half and ended up winning 3-1 because of his mistake. I think not. I think Chris's comments (426) summarise how we should see Coleman. He is most definitely the future.
433 Posted 20/11/2012 at 16:36:48
434 Posted 20/11/2012 at 16:46:28
436 Posted 20/11/2012 at 16:49:51
It is the sheer stupidity of the challenge that I find it hard to forgive. Coleman has been responsible for conceding goals for a while now and was lucky not to concede a penalty against QPR, even though it wasn't one.
We don't get protection from the refs and any close call generally goes against us in the box, so a fecking stupid jump into a player is a dead cert for a pen against us. That's not being professional at all and has fuck all to do with "learning his trade".
437 Posted 20/11/2012 at 16:55:03
Now that would open up an even bigger can of worms.
440 Posted 20/11/2012 at 17:06:47
Great Britain is a geographical term for the main British island - England, Scotland & Wales.
The British Isles is also a geographical term for the group of islands off continental Europe which include Great Britain and the island of The Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland.
442 Posted 20/11/2012 at 17:17:43
We all make mistakes, even the very very best players... Just think we need to focus on the good so far.. and not bust his chops for a mistake.
@ Jamie 433... Depends who you talk to... for me Hibbert has done alot more good things for us than bad. I think you have to accept that every player has limitations and all make mistakes.
I am glad Barkley is back, he has shown flashes of excellent play, and if he can learn from the likes of Fellaini (who is a monster) and Osman, (who I think is really underrated) I think he could go on to be an excellent player. He has to learn and adapt. Lothar Matthaus wasn't a great sweeper early in his career, he learnt to adapt as he moved back (not suggesting he is in that class before someone leaps on it) just an example that people can learn as they go.
445 Posted 20/11/2012 at 17:36:20
449 Posted 20/11/2012 at 17:52:54
We should be encouraging flair players to try a little something different within reason. for that reason playing him further up the field is absolutely the right thing to try.
454 Posted 20/11/2012 at 18:18:53
Tony wouldn't do something like that...
Unless we bring in another RB in the close season, he's our guy for the future. However, he needs a spell on the training ground to get back to basics and to work on what he's there for - preventing goals...
Is anyone else surprised that Moyes hasn't been able to coach this boy up a little bit more??? How after all of these years is he still making such silly decisions?? I blame Moyes almost as much as Coleman for this. His defensive development really has sputtered out.
458 Posted 20/11/2012 at 18:41:27
476 Posted 20/11/2012 at 20:49:39
478 Posted 20/11/2012 at 20:54:26
It's not a 'phrase', as already explained to you.
Get a grip, or buy an atlas.
480 Posted 20/11/2012 at 21:01:52
481 Posted 20/11/2012 at 21:21:37
Its a collective geographical nomenclature for a group of islands. It has nothing to do with individual countries... nor can be construed as political in any shape or form.
483 Posted 20/11/2012 at 21:28:20
And what does Britain mean? Originally, it did not refer to the English. the native Britains were the celtic peoples of this island, while the English were invaders from Denmark and Germany.
Terminologies change their meaning all the time.
But I do know one thing. We need a new right-back. I'd keep Seamus as back up for Mirallas at least for the time being. But nothing else. He is a poor defender, has cost us points, and were it not for Distin, we would be blaming Coleman for the semi-final. What the Hell was he doing making any challenge on Gerrard when he was just meandering to the byline?
As someone above has mentioned: an accident waiting to happen at RB.
485 Posted 20/11/2012 at 21:44:05
The origins have a long and varied history from the continent.
506 Posted 21/11/2012 at 07:27:08
509 Posted 21/11/2012 at 07:22:59
The point Tony - and I think you should have read all of my comments - was that Coleman isn't the only player to make mistakes. I used the example of 2 of the members of out great title winning squad of 1969-70 to show that.I have never thought it did any player any good to give them abuse and I have to say that I am amused that Tony Hibbert is now being described as a " defensive saviour" - I wonder how many of those writing in Hibbo's favour have "slagged him off" in the past.
In my opinion it is very straight forward - Hibbert is the better defensive full back - Coleman is the better attacking full back. Maybe it is a case of using both " in rotation" according to the strengths/weakness of the opposition.
And as regards the Irish connection - I think that Ireland have had more players from Everton than any other English club - certainly in the 1950's in at least one match 4 of the 11 Irish players came from Everton - and for many matches there 3 Everton players in the team.I know all about our "Methodist" connection and I wasn't trying to make any religious point - more the fact that there is a historically strong link between Everton and Ireland and that to use Coleman's nationality as a term of abuse was showing no regard for that history/tradition. And in fact was wrong on many levels - I wonder if the people who made the comments on twitter would be prepared to make themselves known and confront Manager and Player in person ?
535 Posted 21/11/2012 at 12:08:55
I take your point. With all due respect, a defender`s main objective is to defend. Anything else is a bonus.
538 Posted 21/11/2012 at 12:42:16
That said, Roberto has put me in my place nicely, being an outsider to these islands myself. Back to the football methinks.
Michael sums it up well, Coleman is a good attacking full back but has weaknesses in defence. The key point, does he make the mistakes instinctively, like the push in the back, or can it be coached out of him? I hope the latter.
564 Posted 21/11/2012 at 18:03:54
You find it hard to forgive his error. The error of a young defender who has only had a handful of games as a Premier League full back? I think, Tony, you need to re-think your view and show some of the tolerance that is more typical of you.
Young players need encouragement, not social media abuse.
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