Gibson appeal hearing set for Thursday

24/12/2012

Midfielder is elgible to face Wigan on Boxing Day

Everton will be able to field midfield linchpin Darron Gibson in the Boxing Day clash with Wigan as the appeal against the Irishman's harsh red card shown to him by referee Anthony Taylor at West Ham won't be heard until Thursday 27th December.

Gibson was dismissed in injury time at Upton Park as the match official evened up the numbers having sent Carlton Cole off earlier in the game for a similar "high boot" incident.

Cole caught Leighton Baines on the arm with his studs trying to bring down the ball in the 66th minute and was shown a straight red.

Gibson's own boot caught Mark Noble at chest height and also received his marching orders.

Both the Hammers and Everton have decided to appeal what they thought were ludicrous decisions. The referee is able to determine dangerous play at the time an incident occurs but automatic red cards are usually reserved for when clear intent or dangerous reckless is involved.

If the Blues' appeal is successful, Gibson's red card would be downgraded to a yellow and he would not be suspended for the games against Chelsea, Newcastle and Cheltenham Town.

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Kevin Day
889 Posted 24/12/2012 at 22:09:18
Happy Xmas to one and all on Toffeeweb. Hope everyone has a great day.
Pat Finegan
898 Posted 24/12/2012 at 22:48:20
Good news. We don't really need him for Cheltenham so that essentially makes the ban 2 games (Chelsea and Newcastle) if it holds. Hopefully both reds get overturned. I don't think any supporter of either team wants Cole or Gibson to be missing out on 3 games for those challenges. They were certainly fouls, possibly yellows but not reds. I feel as bad for Carlton Cole a I feel for our own Darron Gibson. Cole is a class act who just doesn't do anything to deserve red cards, a Baines, Osman, Hibbert, etc. type of player. Gibson as well is a classy bloke. Maybe he can get aggressive but every time I have seen him play in a blue shirt, he has been totally under control. If there are 2 players who don't deserve 3 match bans, it's them.

I honestly think the officiating for the MLS over here is better than the officiating for the Premier League. I'm not English so I don't think I have room to argue in favor of bringing in foreign officials. Some of you must support that idea, though. Italy and Germany, in particular, have excellent officiating from what I have seen. As I said, it's a conversation to be had amongst people who have been raised with English national pride but from the standpoint of a foreign fan, I think it would be great to see PGMOL kicked out and a higher level of officiating brought in.

Peter Cummings
901 Posted 24/12/2012 at 23:33:37
Good point, Pat. I'm an Anglo/Canadian Scouse born (Garston / Dingle / Kirkby); the MLS Ref standards are very good, no 'prima donnas' there and very few of the histrionics from players to boot.

Hopefully commonsense will prevail and both reds are overturned this week.I'm posting this at around 11:30 pm, UK time, and wishing everyone back home a Happy and memorable Christmas and New Year.
Matt Traynor
906 Posted 24/12/2012 at 23:12:00
Pat #898, good point saying we should have as much sympathy for Cole as Gibson, and you're right, Cole is not a dirty player, despite his size, and both dismissals were an aberration on the part of a rookie ref.

The rookie thing is key in relation to your second point. I don't think foreign referees work for a multitude of reasons, not least of which is an Italian refereeing an English Premier League game as if it was a Serie A game would cause a riot, and he'd be as popular as Clattenburg is with us in no time. Or Collina for that matter...

I know we have foreign refs in UEFA and FIFA tournaments, but if you watch you'll often see these refs "compensate" and modify their decision making to suit the relative styles of the teams. Ordinarily I'd regale against this as all we want is consistency, but when you think about it, apart from being a human response, it does make some sort of sense.

All football federations have to apply the same set of rules. Their own prioritising and tolerance limits are down to them, hence there are differences between leagues. And referees do make horrendous decisions in every league. It's just not got the same wall-to-wall exposure as the EPL.

Pat Finegan
917 Posted 25/12/2012 at 02:34:33
The English game is fast and physical, more so than any other league. For whatever reason, the referees don't adapt. They should all be asking for more help from their assistants. If Anthony Taylor had asked his assistant for his opinion on the matter of Cole's tackle, he wouldn't have issued a red card and he wouldn't have issued a red for Gibson either. Why they don't ask for help could possibly be labeled an issue of pride, bias or of the referee's personal incompetence. I would contend that it is because they aren't properly trained.

The Premier League is different (in a good way) from any other league in the world so it can't be officiated like any other league. It is faster and more physical so referees should be trained to seek a second opinion every time they consider awarding a penalty or brandishing a red card. PGMOL has failed to train them in such a way.

PGMOL has also failed to bring in any technology to assist the referees. They have failed to bring 5th and 6th officials in to help in the penalty box. They don't explain questionable calls or allow/encourage officials to explain them. I think the organization does a terrible job. When you look at their failings, it;s no wonder we have seen so many poor decisions this year.
Jimmy Ho
920 Posted 25/12/2012 at 07:41:45
Merry Xmas and beat wishes to a new year to all from a Singapore toffee

I do hope the card is rescinded, I hope common sense prevails as both the red cards were definitely harsh, we do need our squad numbers to compete and maintain our challenge for the top 4...

Absolutely unbelievable here the Red Shite supporters here just waiting for our 2nd half season implosion, looking forward to prove them wrong :)

Bob Parrington
923 Posted 25/12/2012 at 10:06:08
Having watched the game on Foxtel in Adelaide, I was astounded and disappointed in Cole's red card. This was after some very ordinary officiation earlier in the game. So when Gibbo was foolish enough to just about mimic Cole's "transgression" I was both pissed off with him and the ref. I sometimes wonder where PL players' brains are.

Nevertheless, lousy officiating during the game by one linesman and the referee ruined what was otherwise a quite good game between 2 teams playing the game in good spirit. Damn, these refs are an irritation!

Nick Millington
934 Posted 25/12/2012 at 11:49:33
Whatever happens, Happy Christmas to all Toffee fans.
Tony Doran
937 Posted 25/12/2012 at 12:52:35
I would have to quess that the card appeal will fail. His foot was high and his studs showing so they won't go against the ref. Not saying he should have walked but for it to be turned around it seems it has to be a clear 100% mistake and I don't think it comes under that. Hope I'm wrong as he looks a very good player, better than I thought.
Henrik Lyngsie
946 Posted 25/12/2012 at 13:50:28
Well I guess it is just tactical. The appeal makes him available for the Wigan match. When we loose the appeal I think one match ban is added, but I guess that will just be the FA Cup and we are Ok without him for that. So basically it makes him available for the Wigan match, and then unavailable for the Newcastle match, but Fellaini is back for that.

I think Moyes is just spreading out the bans so we only miss Gibson AND Fellaini together for the Chelsea match.

Completely agree with Tony. It probably should not have been a red card, but it was at least a yellow. If the FA goes against their refs on these they will have a very busy time on appeals. So no chance and I think Moyes is aware (unless the logic is that he is having joint forces with Allardyce and the appeal is "joint").

Eric Myles
948 Posted 25/12/2012 at 14:07:32
"Italy and Germany, in particular, have excellent officiating from what I have seen."

You mean like Collina?

David Hallwood
949 Posted 25/12/2012 at 14:43:55
Henrik Lyngsie (#946) & Ciarán McGlone on another thread, have both stated that the red card was harsh but it should have been a yellow. Whatever happened to intent? Both incidents had both players with their eyes on the ball, with the opposing player doing the same, and if they deserve a yellow card why not give Baines one for dangerously jumping up trying to win the ball.

Anyone who like me has played the game, admittedly not at a very high standard should know the difference between a player who gets done for pace and mis-times the tackle and brings the player down (definite yellow), to over the top challenges, or jumping in with studs up (definite red, to a loose ball that two players are putting their bodies on the line in an effort to win the ball.

This is a perfect example of the road to hell being paved etc etc. Nobody wants to see the return of the hatchet men who used to cynically go out to put players out of the game, if anyone gets a chance to watch the film about the 1966 World Cup (I think it’s called Goal!)and watch how Hungary take Pele out of the game, I’m surprised it got passed the censors, it’s that brutal. But football’s going from the cor blimey to the ridiculous and soon all contact will be deemed unacceptable (in fact Platini has mooted the outlawing of tackling), when that happens we might as well watch the ballet; better kits and better footwork.

Thor Sørensen
950 Posted 25/12/2012 at 15:23:07
Re: Collina

He was a fantastic referee!

Very rarely had an average game, let alone a bad one, and was widely considered the best referee of his generation. A "world class" referee, named FIFA's "Best Referee Of The Year" six consecutive times!

What on earth happened in the Villareal-match? Maybe we'll never know, but it seems utterly bizzare that the best referee in the world performs so erraticly in one game, favouring the Spaniards all the way with countless innocuous free-kicks and then shockingly disallowing a perfectly good goal, before totally out of the blue retiring from football

Was he bribed? I find that hard to believe. My theory is thay maybe he, or his family, had been threatened by very powerful forces.

Why else would the top referee in the world retire in the month of August, when the season had hardly begun?

Chris Sharples
953 Posted 25/12/2012 at 15:34:39
It should not really be a question over height of boot, only intent should be the issue.

Cole's boot was high but his eyes never left the ball. Gibson got there a fraction late, two honest players competing for the ball. What indeed would have happened if Noble would have been a tad late!?! Would Taylor have sent another West Ham player off? I somehow think not....

Finally you can always tell by reaction of players in both incidents the players seemed shocked.

Kevin Day
957 Posted 25/12/2012 at 17:23:50
I think there is a bigger picture accuring here. 2 sets of fans backing wrongful decisions against opposing teams in the same game, if there ever was a land mark case against refereeing in the English game then this is it.
Kevin Day
958 Posted 25/12/2012 at 17:23:50
I think there is a bigger picture accuring here. 2 sets of fans backing wrongful decisions against opposing teams in the same game, if there ever was a land mark case against refereeing in the English game then this is it.
Nick Entwistle
959 Posted 25/12/2012 at 17:42:32
Collina, of course he was bribed. Which Italian referee hasn't been bribed in his career?
Douglas Turner
960 Posted 25/12/2012 at 17:28:38
Thor my øld Mucker (Any chance a Hammer Fan? xD) As yøu must already know, Fifa didn't (don't!) like tøø many English teams in the Champiøn's League as it was unprøfitable! Especially the teams that døn't have the same international fan base the likes of the Man Us Arsenals and Chelseas of the wørld have. (Sørry Sørensen did I leave anybødy øut?) Sø they set up the "Wørld's Greatest Ref/ Cørrupt Ugly Arse MøFø Cheat" to thrøw the game! And seeing how we always get the ref end of the stick when we're playing fairly well, nøt much has changed! Tøø many decisiøns gø against us! We'd be up there fighting for secønd if the Refs and lines men weren't so bløødy cørrup!
Douglas Turner
962 Posted 25/12/2012 at 18:09:56
Nick Entwistle, you're out of order m8! Corruption knows no boundaries! It's everywhere! Few people speak out about it!
Nick Entwistle
963 Posted 25/12/2012 at 18:16:43
You on the sherry trifle, Doug?
Brent Stephens
966 Posted 25/12/2012 at 18:39:17
What's going on with Coleman? OS says "Kevin Mirallas (hamstring), Tony Hibbert (calf) and Seamus Coleman could miss out once again". So why no mention of what's up with Coleman?
Thor Sørensen
968 Posted 25/12/2012 at 18:19:02
Doug @ 960. (or is it Døug? :-p )

A Hammers fan!? That's a first one for me. I've been an avid Toffee since the 1995/96-season!

I fully agree with everything you're saying and I'm totally aware of the circumstances surrounding the Villareal-game. Everton was not wanted in the CL by FIFA/UEFA, and were ruthlessly thrown out of the competition, no doubt about that.
In many ways, the Villareal-game more or less broke my heart as a football-fan. It turned me into an old cynic at the age of 23.

I'm just saying that I don't think Collina was bribed. I think he was threateneed, mafia style
Collina, throughout his career, seemd such a man of principle and honour. It just doesn't make sence. And why did he retire shortly after, making the Villareal v Everton game the last competitive game of his career?

Something just doesn't ad up. Hopefully the truth will come to the surface eventually. (feel free to label me a conspiracy theorist, but I suspect the RS is involved on some level as well)

Nick Entwistle
969 Posted 25/12/2012 at 18:40:59
That's certainly a question that needs to be answered Brent. Astounding they keep this quiet, for all we know it could be a hamstring or calf problem. The truth will out!
Nick Entwistle
972 Posted 25/12/2012 at 19:00:11
Thor, the smoking gun, as you may wish to call it, is on the Echo website. A Liverpool board member at the time (Davis, I think his name was) gave an interview where he used his other position with UEFA to bend the ear of whoever was in charge and promote Liverpool's cause.

As we know, a 'compromise' was reached where they were allowed entry at the first qualification stage. The showed a massive conflict in interest as by allowing this Davis retained a competitive advantage for Liverpool in the PL to which they were not entitled.

As for picking Vilarreal out of the hat, its all a load of heated balls.

Ian Allaker
977 Posted 25/12/2012 at 21:22:57
It wouldnt be hard to do, If Paul Danials can do it i'm sure it would be easy enough to set us up with vilareal.
Jim Knightley
978 Posted 25/12/2012 at 21:31:29
If they don't rescind the red cards it will put referees in an impossible situation....a high foot which makes contact will now be a red card offence.

I will think they will rescind the reds, but whatever happens, the appeal will not be considered frivolous, so we will not lose Gibson for an extra match. Fingers cross they make the correct decision.

Henrik Lyngsie
980 Posted 25/12/2012 at 21:40:19
Jim actually I think the opposite. The FA can not afford to rescind them. If they dó they will be flooded with appeals in the future. That would be putting themselves in an impossible situation!
Phil Sammon
985 Posted 25/12/2012 at 23:43:53
What if they were to rescind one and not the other.

Most on here seem to disagree...but I think Gibson's was slightly worse than Cole's.

Cole was watching the ball drop over his shoulder and didn't have a clue where Baines was. Gibbo could see his opponent all the way and still chose to go in with a high boot.

I should say, I think the ref could have easily got away without even reaching for a yellow. I just think the panel could see Gibbo's as slightly worse.

Thor Sørensen
991 Posted 26/12/2012 at 00:47:52
Nick Entwistle @ 972.

Thanks for the info, I was unaware of the story about the RS boardmember.

Barry Earley
994 Posted 26/12/2012 at 01:09:17
Phil Sammon,

I can't remember who Gibson was going into the tackle with but both he and the WHU player had their boot raised. The clear intent from both players was to get the ball. The foul was committed when Gibson made contact with the player, therefore a yellow.

In this particular tackle if the red was for intent then both players had the same intent so both should have gone (obviously we both believe neither should have gone).
Eric Myles
996 Posted 26/12/2012 at 04:32:19
Jim #978, if there were a law of precedence in the game then there wouldn't be so much inconsistency between referees.
Tony Waring
020 Posted 26/12/2012 at 10:08:08
The Villa Real game, RS conspiracy theory et al ! I'm all ears. Where can I read all about this because I do not recall seeing/hearing anything about it at the time ? More info please.
Ray Roche
022 Posted 26/12/2012 at 10:42:58
Henrik Lyngsie @980

Henrik, if they don't rescind them then they WILL flooded with appeals in the future. If a player is sent off every time he raises his foot anywhere near another player we'll end up with two goalies on the pitch!

Ray Roche
023 Posted 26/12/2012 at 10:45:17
David Hallwood @949

David, you can watch that match, or just the highlights, on Youtube. I was at the game, brutal doesn't come anywhere near....

Ian Bennett
026 Posted 26/12/2012 at 11:02:00
I love the clip of the battle of santiago, chile vs Italy in the 1962 world cup which David Coleman describes as “The most stupid, appalling, disgusting and disgraceful exhibition of football, possibly in the history of the game”. This was the Bbc in 1962, not talk sport so it must have been some game.
John Crawley
029 Posted 26/12/2012 at 11:13:47
Nick/Brent re Coleman. It looked to me like he took a knock from a bad tackle at the very end of the Stoke game.
Ian Bennett
030 Posted 26/12/2012 at 11:16:33
The battle of Santiago for those who have never heard of the dirtiest world cup game ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wyp-xT4sMU

2 players were sent off. In the 3 minute clip you can count probably about 15 red card offences including a punch that sparks an Italian out, a 'real shoulder charge' tackle - the player runs at his man side on stop him, a full rugby tackle, and endless kicking at each other which goes unpunished. The 2nd red card is for the italian going for a real head height tackle with his foot.

Dean Adams
036 Posted 26/12/2012 at 11:36:48
Ian Bennett
That sounds like the mersey derby of a few years ago when Kung Foo Kuyt and Jammie the Wrestler had their misdemeanors ignored by another one of those well balanced individuals who ignore fouls on our players.
John Crawley
038 Posted 26/12/2012 at 11:13:47
Ian thanks for posting that as I have never seen that before. Now that really was a violent game! That head high kick to take the Chilean player out - wow god knows how long he would get banned for in todays game. Can't believe that the Chilean player was still on the pitch after knocking the Italian defender our with that left hook!
Brent Stephens
048 Posted 26/12/2012 at 12:23:28
John "That head high kick to take the Chilean player out - wow" - scope for a red in today's game?!
Henrik Lyngsie
049 Posted 26/12/2012 at 12:10:32
Ian that is hillarious. Gibson almost up for the nobel peace prize with his tackle compared to that!

Ray 022. I am afraid that any FA would try to protect their referees, and limit the number of red cards rescinded. And if too many appeals they will just add one extra match to the ban. It was a freekick and they will hide behind that fact even though 99% thinks it is a yellow at most.

I am not defending the FA, I am just looking at their motives. So I am convinced it will not be rescinded, AND I am convinced that Moyes knows, but he just wants Gibson available today which I think it quite clever.

Roman Sidey
051 Posted 26/12/2012 at 12:19:26
Sad that statistically the dirtiest game is the Battle of Nuremburg in '06. Seems like Playschool compared to the Santiago game. Por la razon o la fuerza!
Ian Corky
052 Posted 26/12/2012 at 13:07:09
How the fuck have we got Lee Mason AGAIN today?

Are the FA tempting Moysie into a disrepute charge?
Si Cooper
080 Posted 26/12/2012 at 16:57:37
Barry (#994), the opposing player was Mark Noble who had far more momentum going towards the ball than Gibson did. This allowed him to get to the ball first (fractionally) but meant his upper arm / chest came into contact with Gibson's boot on the follow through. Noble leapt into the challenge whereas Gibson sort of skipped into it.

Neither player had any intent other to win the ball and the challenges were at nearly a right angle so contact wasn't inevitable; never a red card offence. If you DO judge Gibson's challenge to be reckless or dangerous then Noble's was equally so and he should have sent both off irrespective of who was hurt in the process. Ridiculous refereeing made worse by using the 'consequences' as the determination of guilt (i.e. Gibson being treated differently to Noble for virtually identical challenges).

Gavin Ramejkis
145 Posted 26/12/2012 at 23:46:15
Anyone watch that buck-toothed cunt on MotD tonight? Gave his usual studs up to hurt the keeper this time, when he made contact he feigned the same "I'm hurt" lying twat injury feign he always does, just a yellow card and a lot worse than Gibson's or Cole's tackles.
Patrick Murphy
146 Posted 26/12/2012 at 23:48:50
No real surprise there Gavin (they gotta sell shirts you know). Funny how Lawro the fair-minded totally ignored the incident but then went on to say that Leon had given away a stone-wall penalty (which is what I thought when I had seen it a couple of times, but not on my first viewing).

BBC — doncha just love 'em?

As for the conspiracy theory for the CL circa 2005, don't forget how the Daily Mail in particular had a huge campaign to get our loveable friends into the competition as the holders.

I'll never forget the lifestyle shows (my Mrs was watching them) mostly on the BBC harping on about what a wonderful night it was and how the Dark Side had done it for England.

Tony J Williams
149 Posted 27/12/2012 at 00:05:28
I see that West Brom score a second goal in a week where they make the goalie fall back into the goal.... yet Anichebe gets penalised for something a hell of a lot worse.

Also noted that the pricks on MoTD focus on Osman's and not Kone's handball for his goal... bunch of wankers.
Gavin Ramejkis
170 Posted 27/12/2012 at 01:54:10
Patrick I wasn't surprised they didn't say a word about the rats foul on Begovic and you could have put money on the RS getting a pen from a Shawcross foul.

Tony that West Brom goal was a disgrace how the hell could Green get to it? And that no-eyed baldie cunt Shearer virtually comes out and admits he made a living doing the same all he ever did was back into players.

Lawro made his usual RS biased bollocks against us and his defo pen from Maloney going over Osman's leg, I've seen them given but it wasn't a deliberate hack and true to form not a fucking peep or RS style autopsy against Kone for his handball just some shit about Wigan deserving a bit of luck, also fuck all about the yellow cards Caldwell or Stam could have had.

Douglas Turner
231 Posted 27/12/2012 at 13:02:50
Apologies Thor! @ #968.. Too much Trifle Sherry that day! Won't call you a Hammer fan ever again! I lived in Italy for just under 9 years and TBH hearing some folk stereotypically waffle on about Italy and shit they know nothing about, strikes a chord with me! Just like when I'm in Italy and the odd ignoramus (usually a Juve fan) ID's me as a "Hooligan" coz I happen to come from Liverpool! News Flash Thor! Collina was excellent at his job! But that doesn't mean he wasn't One Corrupt Son of a Bitch who didn't need much convincing to throw the odd game once in a while (Yes even in his native home Italy!) As for corruption, have you seen many Prem games of L8? I suppose the Italian Mafia are ripe over here too!
Thor Sørensen
349 Posted 27/12/2012 at 21:56:33
You may very well be spot on in what you're saying Douglas. As for Italian football, I hardly ever watch a game, so I wouldn't know. I just find it absolutely mind-boggling that he decided to retire in the aftermath of the Villarreal-game. Very strange that.

Re: Premier League —sadly, it's been corrupt since I can remember. :-(

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