Man Utd looking for revenge?

by , Liverpool Echo | 06/02/2013

Phil Jagielka says Everton must be wary of a vengeful Manchester United on Sunday — but can take inspiration from last year's 4-4 thriller.

“They've kicked on a gear and there's a lot of incentives for them now to try and stay at the top and prove a point after we beat them in September, and then of course the points they dropped last season possibly costing them the championship.

“It won't be easy going to Old Trafford. We've not picked up too many victories there over the years so I don't think we'll be favourites by a long shot.

“But hopefully we get everyone back fit and well from the international games, and we can go there confident and draw some inspiration from last time.”

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James Martin
196 Posted 06/02/2013 at 13:35:21
Ah there's that winning mentality on full display once again. Good to see the vice-captain sounding the rallying call for a big win. I'm sure we beat ourselves sometimes.
Dominic Bobadilla
197 Posted 06/02/2013 at 13:37:46
Foolish to remind your foe of your past offences.
Pete Anthony
198 Posted 06/02/2013 at 13:34:48
We let them off the hook last year, gifting them goals after we'd deservedly led, then after fighting back to level, missed very good opportunity to get the win.

With a week's rest and a nearly fully fit first team, no reason not to be confident of going for (and getting) the win: Victory is what the team should be focused on, let them worry about us. Baines, Fellaini, Mirallas, Jelly (coming back to form, now is the time :-)), Gibson, Pienaar etc, let's get right into 'em for 97 minutes.

Trevor Lynes
199 Posted 06/02/2013 at 13:43:50
The one big thing Man Utd have over us is their bench.

We have a first eleven when all are fit (unlike this week) and a hotch potch of players who make up the numbers on the bench. They can bring on at least two fresh strikers and a couple of wide men to supply ammunition.

They have scored late goals lots of times this season when other teams are tiring by changing a striker (or two)... The bench/subs system favours the richer clubs who have big squads.

They buy players to sit on their benches so that they cannot play for another side.

Kevin Tully
200 Posted 06/02/2013 at 13:50:17
All the pressure is on Man Utd to win this one. We can go there knowing we are expected to lose.

It should be one of those games where we can play with freedom, but I doubt it somehow.

The simple fact is, we have to beat at least two of the usual suspects to have any hope of finishing 4th.

Rory Slingo
201 Posted 06/02/2013 at 13:49:16
Do players think comments like that make the other team go, "Shit, Everton seem well prepared, don't know if we can beat them now?"

Just once, I wish one of our players would say, "Fuck that lot, we're gonna tonk 'em!", rather that this 'respectful' crap they come out with every week regardless of who we play.

Tom Bowers
203 Posted 06/02/2013 at 14:00:35
On paper they will always be favoured. They have more dangerous goalscoring players. Everton need a big defensive showing again like the game at Goodison but recently, even apart from Heitinga, they have been all over the place.

This would be a perfect time to start a decent run to really chase down fourth or even third spot and the return of Gibson and Mirallas might just be good timing and also Osman getting in a big game.

John Crook
207 Posted 06/02/2013 at 14:06:00
Even when our form improved in the second half of last season... how many teams did we actually do the home/away win double over?? Top of my head, about two (West Brom and Fulham are all I can think of without looking).

How many times have we done the double this season?? ZERO. Missed chances to do the double in winnable games vs Swansea, Soton and Villa. We now only have 4 more attempts this season to gain the double over someone and that includes Man Utd and Spurs away and Sunderland away and West Ham home.

My point is, you need to have 5 or 6 doubles minimum to have a chance of top 4. I certainly don't think Old Trafford away will be our first double of the season.

Colin Potter
209 Posted 06/02/2013 at 14:47:10
The thing is, not to start worrying about what/who they have, what they can do to us. Just get out there give a 100%, keep a cool head, and do your damnedest, and we will do it. We did it a few months ago, so we can do it again! I just hope Moyes doesn't bottle it, panicking after we get a good start to the game. United with that dodgy defence of theirs are beatable at home, and we're the boys to do it.
Rahman Talib
215 Posted 06/02/2013 at 15:33:05
If we had bought Sissoko and a few other guys, I wouldn't worry about taking the Manure game.
Steavey Buckley
216 Posted 06/02/2013 at 16:15:57
Sadly, if Everton lose their next two matches away to Man Utd and Norwich and Spurs win theirs, Man Utd would have more than their fair share of revenge over Everton, because the CL place wouldhave gone by being 9pts behind Spurs. And Everton have yet to play them at their place.
Brian Waring
217 Posted 06/02/2013 at 16:25:01
Colin "The thing is, not to start worrying about who/what they have, what they can do to us" it's a shame Colin that Moyes won't be taking your advice.
Ste Traverse
218 Posted 06/02/2013 at 16:29:56
This must be the weakest defence Man Utd have had in years. There is no point sitting back on Sunday, we must attack them.

We have got 4 points out of 6 in the last two games against them by doing just that. More of the same please.

Over 20 years without a victory at Old Trafford is a disgrace. Even more so considering our outstanding record there between 1984-1992 when we won so often and lost very little and were Man Utd's bogey team in that period.

We've nothing lose Sunday. Go for the throat.

Harold Matthews
220 Posted 06/02/2013 at 15:23:03
Southampton ran them ragged in the 2nd half,adopting a high back line and pushing 6 or 7 players forward on every attack. United survived but were dead lucky. Of course, Saints did the same to us and are a vastly improved side.

Well I can't see us attacking in great numbers but we appear to be very difficult to beat. Howard should be OK because they will not give him time to think.

With their young goalie just as dodgy as Howard on corners and crosses perhaps we'll try to exploit this. The one thing we must not do is drop deep and leave no outlet when the ball is cleared.

Harold Matthews
224 Posted 06/02/2013 at 16:39:31
Any news or any ideas about our back four?
Adam Luszniak
232 Posted 06/02/2013 at 17:31:44
I'd expect Neville to come back in at right back, as I'm not sure Coleman is back from injury yet. At least that means nev is out of midfield and we have our best CB partnership of jags and Distin
Sam Hoare
238 Posted 06/02/2013 at 17:57:33
No two ways about it this is the toughest game in the Premier league season. A draw would be a decent result though unhelpful in our current need for wins.
Anto Byrne
239 Posted 06/02/2013 at 17:53:02
“It won't be easy going to Old Trafford. We've not picked up too many victories there over the years so I don't think we'll be favourites by a long shot."

Can some one tell me when we last had a victory at OT?It was in the last century was it not?

1 - 0 to us and Jelly to score, reckon Moyes will have him on from the start with the big fella up front Gibbo and Mirallas in the middle. Osman needs a rest.

Peter Cummings
243 Posted 06/02/2013 at 18:16:32
No point in going there with an inferiority complex, they have just squeaked several games by the odd goal. Fulham battered them last week and were robbed of a point so we should follow their example by going at them for 90 mins and, of course, not conceding.
Paul Ferry
250 Posted 06/02/2013 at 18:31:10
One thing for sure is that we will score against Manure. They are leaking goals this season in comparison to their high standards: jeez, Swansea and Stoke have given away less, oh and us too even though we hardly ever keep clean sheets.

This is all to say that I do not expect us to lose this game if we put out an attack minded line up and push up and go for it. My nightmare is a packed midfield with Neville at Gibbo's side. if we play that line up we will the game.

(Note to self: don't make predictions they get Hudson ranting and raving, and if I am proved wrong on Skip Pip and Gibbo the sunny gloating will be of staggering proportions that will bring Thatcher to mind when she was at Portsmouth to buy the club I mean salute the returning mighty battle fleet after we crushed the Argies).

Forgive me, a little more time and space, just seen the ENNGGEERRLAANNDDD team to play Brazil. No Jags, no Bainesy, no Osman. I don't give a shit about Engerland but really, I know Jags is not always up to scratch, but in a world where Enggaurlaand have so few centre defences options, Smalling FFS? Silly. What about ugly Rio to play Brazil, seems poetic at least? Osman, I understand. Bainsey, hard luck coz Cashley needs his century.

Hudson, my prediction: Ingaland 1 Braaazilll 3.
Why do I do this? 'What kind of fool am I'? Let loose the Hudsons of war.

Richard Reeves
251 Posted 06/02/2013 at 18:34:19
Don't expect the same kind of attitude from Everton this time around. Fellaini will probably not play or play half injured and the team will be back to it's defensive, boring best with excuses aplenty: we haven't got the bench, can't compete with Man Utd's money, the pitch is terrible, some sort of shit like that... and I reckon Moyes will also come out with something like coming to Old Trafford and loosing by one goal is nothing to be embarrassed about and I'm proud of how well the boys have defended, yawn, yawn.
Ste Traverse
286 Posted 06/02/2013 at 22:05:35
Anto #239.

Out last victory at Old Trafford was 19 August 1992 a 3 - 0 win. Goals by Beardsley, Johnston and Warzycha. Highlights can be found on YouTube.

Brian Murray
290 Posted 06/02/2013 at 22:25:55
Can anyone tell me what year it was when we beat them 3 - 0 at Old Trafford in what was then the League Cup? I'm not sure if Billy Bingham or Gorden Lee was the manager then, I was only kid and listened to the match live on Radio 5. I couldn't wait to get to school the next day to slag off the Man Utd supporters.
Paul Ferry
305 Posted 07/02/2013 at 04:15:39
I was there, Brian, 1978, right. In the old Warwick Rd away end. Saw the Blues beat Manure and got back by 11 to God's city to get to Eric's to see I think the last Deaf School show at that time — could be wrong... might have been The Buzzcocks.

At OT that night, we saw the dark side, was it 7 reds stabbed, and one, who was on dodgy Stuart Hall's northwest news shows a day later, had EFC scratched on his back. There must have been in pre-seat days 8,000 blue-boys there in the old Warwick Road.

Good days and bad days.

Mike Gaynes
308 Posted 07/02/2013 at 05:53:05
Paul Ferry (250), when the fuck is Jags not up to scratch?? Name one player in the world who brings more to every minute of every game, heart and soul, total commitment.

Nice prediction on England/Brazil, too. What a knowledgable observer you are.

And aren't you the idiot who so cheerfully predicted on another thread that Mirallas and Gibson would miss most of the rest of the season with injuries? That's right, folks, this fraudulent Evertonian is gleefully certain that two players who are currently fit will be seriously injured. Won't play 14 more games between them, he said.

What kind of fool are you? Let me count the ways. Let me write the encyclopedia of your relentlessly negative foolishness. You are the unquestioned Maharajah of Morons, the High Holy Imam of Idiocy, the Regent of Retardation. And when it comes to your eagerness to see our players carried off the pitch, you are the Royal Shah of Shit.

Paul Andrews
310 Posted 07/02/2013 at 06:48:29
Mike @ 308

But apart from that.......................

Ian Bennett
312 Posted 07/02/2013 at 07:04:38
They're 9 points clear and play Real Madrid at home in the champions league (knock out stages). My expectation is that whiskey nose will bring in some of the squad players to keep his best side fresh for mourinho and co on Wednesday.

As I said on another thread, they don't like it up em. So we need a high energy performance against Ferdinand and Evans (I hope vidic is out), and we need to battle the centre midfield against carrick and a n other. If we can win the battle in those areas we have a chance. This is going to be key, as with Rooney, Rvp, welbeck and Hernandez we'll struggle to keep them out, at our end in front of an expecting OT crowd.

I look forward to the gnashing of teeth from sir Alex, rather than compliments post match.

Harold Matthews
320 Posted 07/02/2013 at 08:22:38
"Mike The Magnificent"
David Donnellan
352 Posted 07/02/2013 at 12:35:23
After the 1-0 win first day of the season & last seasons 4-4 draw. There is no reason why we can't get something out of the game.
I work with several man u 'fans', they all think this isn't a good man u side in comparison to previous man u sides. It is their potent attack that is making a difference for them, they are not amazing over the rest of the field, If we believe & take confidence from our previous two meetings, then it is possible, even with the obligatory 8 mins (or 'til they win!) fergie time. Lets see how brave Moyes tactics are for this one.
Kev Johnson
354 Posted 07/02/2013 at 12:43:53
It's a pity Bainesy didn't give Rooney a little kick last night!

I wonder if Wayne turns up against us on Saturday? Since he made his peace with EFC a couple of seasons ago, he seems to have been below par against us. I know he scored twice in last season's 4-4, but It's as if there's a bit of him that feels uncomfortable trying to beat us. Or am I tempting fate?

Andrew Ellams
358 Posted 07/02/2013 at 13:02:38
As Man City play on Saturday evening Fergie will surely tailor his team to react to their result. So if Southamptin nick that one, we may get a weaker team out against us on Sunday
Kevin Hudson
359 Posted 07/02/2013 at 13:01:03
Paul, (250)

Why do you feel the need to bring up my name in a thread I haven't commented on..?

Twice you've done this...Stop 'thinking,' about me!!

The less said about your 'prediction, ' the better..

You remind me of a tramp shouting at pigeons in the street, and your inner monologue makes about as much sense as a lemonade sandwich..!!

Chris Hockenhull
361 Posted 07/02/2013 at 13:12:11
Brian Murray/Paul Ferry...it was 1976 and a bit of a shock how easy it was for us that night. One of Billy Bingham's last games and on our run to the final...which we daftly lost at Old Trafford in the 2nd replay when it was in the bag....usual senario
Minik Hansen
366 Posted 07/02/2013 at 13:58:20
"Man Utd looking for revenge?"???

If someone is looking for revenge, it's us! Time to battle at Old Trafford, to improve the record there. COYB NSNO IMWT

Barry Rathbone
370 Posted 07/02/2013 at 14:57:09
I expect us to win 5 nil.
James Morgan
375 Posted 07/02/2013 at 14:32:29
Just wait till the Fergie press conference and the pressure on the ref and Fellaini's 'elbows' etc.
James Morgan
380 Posted 07/02/2013 at 15:15:41
Oh and on a separate note, from the end of this season be prepared to listen to more studio musings from a former kopite now that Carragher plans to retire in the summer. Guaranteed Sky or BBC will snap him up. Sigh.
Patrick Murphy
384 Posted 07/02/2013 at 15:39:47
“It won't be easy going to Old Trafford. We've not picked up too many victories there over the years...." You don't say Phil, how about no victories, none , nada, not in your time or since the first fortnight of the PL anyway Phil.

You're right James, it's the natural progression for the RS players, it's almost part of their pension scheme.


Ste Traverse
445 Posted 07/02/2013 at 21:05:22
I was 16 and fresh out of school that summer last time we won at Old Trafford, Patrick.

Our record there has been pityful since.

Dick Fearon
453 Posted 07/02/2013 at 21:26:08
Carragher would have to take elocution lessons first.
James M @375, I agree that anytime soon we will see SAF lay down the referees ground rules for our game at the palace of wet dreams.
Brian Waring
457 Posted 07/02/2013 at 21:55:03
James, Carragher has already done sky, he has been on the sky panel for midweek games when he was out injured.
David Donnellan
496 Posted 08/02/2013 at 06:23:43
Carragher also worked for itv during euro 2012. I think everyone who has already mentioned that he will go into media work after his retirement is probably right.
He can join Owen, McManaman, Souness, Barnes & the rest of the shite who work on the media gravy train. More I think about it, there are a hell of lot ex reds working in the media on tv & radio. You get sick of seeing them when they are playing & then you have to put up with them doing 'analysis' on your team.
Joe Green
505 Posted 08/02/2013 at 07:11:57
David (496),

You mention Owen, McManaman, Souness and Barnes as TV pundits. There's also Hansen and Lawrenson on MotD, whilst I've also endured McMahon, Nicol, MacAteer, even Houghton the other day. However it does seem to be a conveyor belt and they all have a vested interest in playing up the RS as a "big club". I doubt it will make the front page news when Tony H retires ...

Matt Butlin
561 Posted 08/02/2013 at 12:31:02
It has just been brought to my attention that Man Utd are undefeated under Mark Halsey. No mean feat either... this run stretches back over 10 years. If you add the 'Moyes not having won at Old Trafford' issue too, I reckon our impending win against them on Sunday should grab a fair few headlines.

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