Moyes justifies his contract delay

, Liverpool Daily Post , 30 March, 90comments  |  Jump to most recent
David Moyes has made another attempt to explain why he is continuing to stall on any contract decision until after the end of the current season, claiming that it's not a bad request for him to make, and that the club are happy with the situation.

“I think everybody knows that ideally a decision will be made at the end of the season and that will be the time because we will see where we finish and where we go,” said the Everton manager.

“By that time I hope to have a clearer picture of what will happen and I wouldn't have thought that would be too much to ask for, really.

“I wouldn't have thought that was a bad request. I've been here 11 years, and the club have now come out and said they're happy with the situation. We've been talking regularly.”

Moyes added: “If people say it is best for Everton Football Club that I stay, then I would agree — I genuinely believe that as well. But I have to make sure that Everton have the best opportunity to try to push on from where they are.”

Moyes has already held a number of talks with Kenwright in recent months concerning the future direction of the club. And while confident progress is being made, the Everton manager admits any serious moves to revamp the squad are on hold until finances for the summer transfer window have been finalised.

“I can see why some people might say by waiting I might be putting Everton at a disadvantage, but all the plans we are putting in are for next season,” said Moyes.

“You would need to know exactly your budget and figures regarding spending, so you know what players you are looking to buy for next season. That has not been confirmed completely.

“I've been speaking to the chairman for three or four months, it's been moving along, and all the things I'm doing are for the best of Everton. I think we are making progress.

“I would also say, so anybody who is going into the last year of their contract, are you going to write that off then?

“If that's the case, then for every manager who goes into the last year of their contract, every supporter under those circumstances will think the worst. I've got to do what's right, and I'll do what's right for Everton.

“But I can't say what the budget is and whether that will be enough until I get the breakdown and see how it will all work. Part of the discussion is what the investment is but it is not vital, because we have a great chairman and a great football club here,” he said.

“But I think it is something we would all welcome.”

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Al Reddish
1 Posted 30/03/2013 at 16:48:00
Can't see the problem. He wants more money from Bill. Looks like Bill is doing his bullshitting again too saying Moyes has known his summer budget for a while. Meanwhile Moyes states he doesn't know the budget as he has not been shown the breakdown.

You only have to see this report in the papers today — "Tony Pulis, who has spent £99 million and recouped £13.3m since leading Stoke to promotion in 2008, has brushed off criticism. Moyes, who has spent £61.5m and brought in £71.5m over the same length of time, maintained he would not turn his back on football if he leaves Everton." That's what he is up against.

Phil Sammon
2 Posted 30/03/2013 at 16:57:23
Does that make sense to anyone?
Nick Entwistle
3 Posted 30/03/2013 at 17:05:59
Yeah, his motivation to continue on a shoe string will be gone by the summer. He wants more money, be that from BK or CL qualification. Can't blame him, we're all frustrated with 7th each season as he is. We're stuck with the club he isn't.
Carl Sanderson
4 Posted 30/03/2013 at 17:10:31
Yes, he wants some assurance that he will be supplied with the tools he needs to do the job properly. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
Trevor Lynes
5 Posted 30/03/2013 at 17:23:11
The money that was allocated for the purchase of Fer plus the loan in of Ofoe must still be available and he needs that plus another amount from whatever proceeds the club receives from finishing high in the league again.

He needs at least £20 million and that should be available without selling anyone.

If a player like Felli is sold for £20 million then the budget for incoming transfers should be at least £30 million counting the money not spent during January.

Nick Entwistle
7 Posted 30/03/2013 at 19:26:44
That's if Fer wasn't a sham bid Trevor, and who knows what the banks hold over Everton when it comes to player sales.
Ross Edwards
8 Posted 30/03/2013 at 19:31:03
I still think if he wants to stay he should have signed by now.
Nick Entwistle
9 Posted 30/03/2013 at 19:32:45
And sign-away any hope of Bill finding the cash, Ross?

If as people say Moyes is the shield between BK and the fans then he'll do everything he can to get him the money.

Mike Webb
10 Posted 30/03/2013 at 19:42:41
If Bill is to find the cash, then that means more borrowing. Which ultimately has to be paid back. Debt servicing will still see a chunk of money depart, and any increase in TV monies may easily be swallowed up in increased wages and debt servicing before any of it finds its way to player recruitment.

At Everton the budget has to include player retention as much as recruitment, which is why we've seen the wage bill increasing significantly, hence our recruitment has been on the whole funded by selling players.

And under this board that won't / can't change. They don't have the personal funds, although they would if they got their asking price - but then they'll be gone!

Patrick Murphy
11 Posted 30/03/2013 at 19:56:01
Maybe David Moyes wants to buy out Kenwright? But people are right in the view that we cannot load more debt onto the club, it has to be a financial investment from somewhere other than a loan or the sale of star players. Personally I don't think losing Felli will have a great effect but losing Baines would be.

Colin Glassar
12 Posted 30/03/2013 at 20:11:18
I'm not Moyes biggest fan but if he an squeeze some serious money out of that fat liar then good luck to him. Where's the money, Billy Boy? Bought any new lawn mowers lately? What are you planning to do with the extra £60 odd million quid Billy Boy? Divvy it up with Earl and Green? Tell us, Billy Boy, tell us.
Wayne Smyth
13 Posted 30/03/2013 at 20:44:47
Colin I'm not sure kenwright has personally taken much money from the club at all. He will do if he ever sells his stake for a fat profit, but until then....

What he's more likely to do is take on more shady loans at silly interest rates similar to the Vibrac one, and saddle the club with additional debt that will hamper its ability to compete in the transfer market in the long-run because so much of our income goes to pay off loans.

I think that the idea of Kenwright finding investment is laughable; investment is out there, but he doesn't want it because no-one is going to invest their money without wanting to take control of Bills trainset and bill doesn't want that.

Personally I think we're playing with fire with Moyes demanding additional funds. He has to get the wage bill down by getting rid of deadwood like Naismith, Neville, Heitinga etc, sell off players like fellaini who are on massive wages and would attract a top transfer fee, then he will be able to reinvest that money in 4 or 5 quality players in the £5M price bracket, just like mirallas, jelavic etc, and bring through our younger academy players too.

Personally I'd keep baines since hes still young, and seems stable and attached to the club.

Richard Tarleton
14 Posted 30/03/2013 at 21:31:20
Perhaps he means that he'll see what other jobs are available in the summer, "but until the time one comes along , I'll string along with you" as the old song goes.
David Greenwood
15 Posted 30/03/2013 at 21:42:04
Sunderland sack Martin O'Neill.
Ian Smitham
16 Posted 30/03/2013 at 21:45:56
Colin. Can you try to explain your comments about him taking money out of the club. It would have to be reported in the Accounts and it is not. Please explain or retract.
Chris Corn
17 Posted 30/03/2013 at 21:47:21
David 932...and... ???!?
David Greenwood
18 Posted 30/03/2013 at 21:53:46
Chris, lot's of talk on DM's future, Sunderland being one of the destinations. How does this affect us? Does it?
Guy Hastings
19 Posted 30/03/2013 at 22:14:45
O'Neill's reputation is smoke and mirrors - always has been. At least it means he and the old guard links to EFC are, hopefully, finished: Redknapp, Fat Sam, Steve Bruce etc. As for Moyes - he's trying to call BK's bluff. BK' has sussed this; hence the ' leaves with his head head high' comment. I'd have Moyes on a contract for two years depending on what BK can guarantee (and I mean written in stone) over the next three transfer windows.
If Moyes goes, although I've long thought P Nev would be next, a smart tenner on Neil Lennon wouldn't go amiss.
Brendan McLaughlin
20 Posted 30/03/2013 at 22:31:34
Guy
Smoke & mirrors & a trophy or two thrown in...I thought that's what we were crying out for.....
Nick Entwistle
21 Posted 30/03/2013 at 22:41:17
There's Martinez. He only lost 1-0 to Norwich today. Football was really really pretty though.
Tommy Meehan
22 Posted 30/03/2013 at 22:46:28
Nick, you might want to do some quick backpedaling there . . .
Nick Entwistle
23 Posted 30/03/2013 at 22:50:01
There's Chris Houghton. He only lost 1-0 to Wigan today. Football was really really Chris Houghton-esque though.
Tommy Meehan
24 Posted 30/03/2013 at 22:52:16
That'll do it
Colin Wainwright
25 Posted 30/03/2013 at 22:52:31
Chris Hughton pal.
Nick Entwistle
26 Posted 30/03/2013 at 22:58:20
Fuck it. Phil Neville. We're having him.
Colin Wainwright
27 Posted 30/03/2013 at 23:01:56
Have you had a few Nick, or have I missed something.
Guy Hastings
28 Posted 30/03/2013 at 22:50:15
Brendan - as for O'Neill's record: FA Trophy, Football League Third Division Play–Offs, the old Football League First Division Play-offs, a few Scottish league titles (which I reckon any of Moyes' sides would have won if we'd played north of the border). I'll give him the two League Cups but his media hype-to-win ratio (factoring out his ludicrous 75% win rate Celtic term) is almost at loveable Harry/El Tel level. And there aren't many Villa - Sunderland mates of mine who have a kind word to say about him.
Brendan McLaughlin
29 Posted 30/03/2013 at 23:05:28
Guy #970
"I'll give him the two League Cups"...says it all reallly
Mike Green
30 Posted 30/03/2013 at 23:15:45
Looking at Sunderlands statement it sounds like they've got their man already.

Zola to Chelsea - Benitez to Sunderland - O'Neill to Leicester - Pearson to Peterborough - Ferguson to Man Utd - Fergie to Liverpool - Rodgers to......... Oh, please God Nooooooooooooooooo!!!!! :S

Mick Wrende
31 Posted 30/03/2013 at 23:36:16
Moyes has nowhere to go. No-one wants him so we will be stuck with him forever. Every other club knows he is defence obsessed and who wants that sort of football. Lets get shut of him and bring in an attack minded young manager who will drive us on. God help us if we have another eason of this dross.
Si Cooper
32 Posted 30/03/2013 at 23:16:16
“If people say it is best for Everton Football Club that I stay, then I would agree — I genuinely believe that as well. But I have to make sure that Everton have the best opportunity to try to push on from where they are.”

This part doesn't make a lot of sense, as the logical conclusion is that he should stay (to make sure Everton have the best opportunity to push on) pretty much irrespective of whether BK can conjure up some money by the summer or not.

The overall impression is that he is effectively blackmailing BK with the threat of getting on his bike unless he gets a decent transfer kitty. Really doesn't back-up his public eulogy of BK does it?

In some ways I applaud him putting the thumbscrews on BK but it seems in stark contrast to how he has actively talked up the regime, and the timing of his moral stance is appalling given that it may have had some negative effect on the team's performance at a crucial time whether the manager believes it or not.

Martin O'Neill failed at Villa and failed at Sunderland. His over-inflated reputation is entirely based on relative success at Leicester and Celtic. He is simply another media darling, which shows how much store you should put in their opinion.

Ciarán McGlone
33 Posted 30/03/2013 at 23:52:04
This "Back me or I'm off" fairytale would be more convincing if he didn't take every opportunity to tell the world how fuckin wonderful Bill is...

Bullshit.

Ernie Baywood
34 Posted 30/03/2013 at 23:48:08
Makes sense to me. He's saying that Everton are better off with him but if we're fucked regardless of who's managing us then he might as well try something else.

I'm still undecided on him. On one hand he's probably hit his level (6th/7th & no cups). On the other, it's not... well... so bad. Certainly could be worse. And if we were going to find some cash then he's earned the right to be the one who spends it.

Last point. His riposte to Kenwright should at last make it clear that this is a man of integrity. He'd dropped enough hints before but still some questioned his motives. Seemingly Kenwright's media games were the last straw and he's seen fit to go shit or bust.

If you asked me who is telling the truth regarding next year's budget - there's no question. It's Moyes.

Mike Green
35 Posted 30/03/2013 at 23:49:35
Both have an almost equal negotiating position.

Kenwright doesn't want anyone else, Moyes fits the bill (excuse the pun) in so many ways.

Moyes has nowhere to go (Mick #979) and is on the real 'deal of the century'.

This isn't about getting more money for players, it's about more money to stay, simple as that.

7 years ago I walked from a job with nothing to go to on principle - will Moyes walk with nothing to go to if he doesn't get his guarantees - which have conveniently not been outlined either so impossible to judge?

He'll be here next year - £4.5m p.a. for the next four years. And the train rolls on.....

Ernie Baywood
36 Posted 31/03/2013 at 00:10:16
Then why not just sign in Jan? His stock was arguably higher (we were 4th on New Year's Day weren't we?).

Add to that the impact on the team of uncertainty around the manager and everything points to Moyes playing the long game, rather than looking for personal security.

Martin Handley
37 Posted 31/03/2013 at 00:12:00
As I've said elsewhere Moyes has had a shock as it seems only the likes of Sunderland are interested in him so I think it's inevitable that he'll stay. I also think that we'll have some form of European football next season,so Moyes will get his kitty boosted either by league position and/or Fellaini money as I think he'll leave no matter what.

Even if he goes Everton will be a very attractive proposition for any decent manager.

Si Cooper
38 Posted 31/03/2013 at 00:15:47
"Makes sense to me. He's saying that Everton are better off with him but if we're fucked regardless of who's managing us then he might as well try something else."

Ernie - there is a difference between us being hamstrung by a lack of money and 'fucked' because of it. If BK genuinely can't stump up more cash and DM leaves, he will be leaving for his own good not the good of the team / club (if he truly is the best we could hope for) which is what he claims is his ultimate intention.

I can understand his frustration at not being given the backing to move the club on, but that could have been expressed much more clearly by simply stating it (as he has apparently done off the record to media buddies, but still can't seem to manage for Evertonians).

Patrick Murphy
39 Posted 31/03/2013 at 00:16:28
The one thing that does come out of it is that Bill Kenwright cannot be trusted, otherwise David Moyes would have signed already as he would have accepted BK's promises. If David Moyes does sign then the dynamic in the relationship between the two will have altered quite considerably and is that good for thing for Everton FC? I'm always wary of the tail wagging the dog and it could hurt the club in the long run, It only shows up the short-comings of the Board of directors or at least the Chairman. I wonder how Earl and Woods feel about the situation and whether they are as happy to see the Manager dictate his own terms of his employment.

If we start next season with David Moyes in charge then he is under extra pressure as he will have to produce the goods, which will be in stark contrast to the rest of his time here, also if the season doesn't start well and we find ourselves struggling for results how much patience will the Board have? or will they be hamstrung by the cost of ridding themselves of a manager to which they have granted god-like status?


Martin Handley
40 Posted 31/03/2013 at 00:29:19
On another note Tony "bomber"Bellew has drawn his fight,some dodgy scoring as most experts had Bellew at least 3 rounds ahead.
Barry Rathbone
41 Posted 31/03/2013 at 00:19:48
Predictable guff from Moyes every man and his dog predicted this would become an issue when he got to this season with no deal.

He could easily have nailed this down with protective clauses written in his contract last year but he wants it known he's available - like hell he'd do nothing to harm EFC - doing it right now fella.

The man lives in a bubble of arrogance and delusion.

Si Cooper
42 Posted 31/03/2013 at 00:34:39
I don't get that Patrick, unless you believe BK has deliberately withheld funds?

I may doubt the guy's competence but I don't doubt that if he could get his hands on substantial amounts then BK would give them to the manager.

DM is complicit because he is now apparently expecting more from a regime that he has claimed to be outstanding in the past, whilst plenty of ordinary blokes have pulled their hair out over the Moyes / Kenwright love-in that has helped to protect the Board from the scrutiny and criticism that they may well deserve.

It was stated on 5 live a couple of weeks ago that Moyes said (off the record to some media buddies) last summer that it was impossible for him to take Everton any further given the circumstances. If he can say that in private he should be able to articulate that clearly in public in a non-critical "it is unfortunate but that is just the way things are in the modern game for teams like Everton" sort of way.

This drawn out saga smacks of the manager hedging his bets as there is no way BK will be able to produce the money, just as he couldn't in January.

Andy Crooks
43 Posted 31/03/2013 at 00:49:27
Guy #970 classic "what have the Romans ever done for us stuff". Martin O'Neill is a good coach with a good record. You disparage his achievements in Scotland because you clearly know nothing about it.

By the way, a tenner on Neil Lennon wouldn't be smart, it would be insane. I like Lennon and in some ways he is a hard man to like but he is not a premier league manager.

Patrick Murphy
44 Posted 31/03/2013 at 00:55:22
Well Si, if what you say is in fact the truth of the matter then that makes David Moyes economical with the truth as well doesn't it? The other thing that this whole situation does is ensure that any possible replacement for David Moyes will think twice before signing for Everton F.C.

Trevor Lynes
45 Posted 31/03/2013 at 02:03:20
So long as some of the clowns on here make excuses for the mismanagement of our club then the likes of BK and his cronies can sit silent.

How does the likes of Newcastle and Wigan find money for players.
They have chairmen who invest some of their own money.
The FANS invest every time they buy a ticket to watch.
The FANS invest whenever they buy merchandise.
The FANS invest whenever they buy season tickets

Our tight arsed board of misdirectors do not pay to watch !!!

I will say it again...The money that was not spent on buying FER is still available.
The money that was set aside to bring in Ofoe on loan is still available
WITHOUT the sale of a player and that was stated by the club !!

If no money is provided for the manager at the end of this season then I believe that DM will not stay and the fans should protest at the disgraceful way our great club is being run.

Si Cooper
46 Posted 31/03/2013 at 02:16:49
What money Trevor?

The limited funds required for the loan of Ofoe probably made up the bulk of what we were going to give Twente upfront. The rest of the Fer money would be released a bit at a time over the course of the payment scheme, and probably the bulk of it was contingent on transfers out (which is why the collapse of one in January led to us desperately trying to renegotiate the payments at the last minute).

There is no evidence that the money is in place; are you really going to take someones word that it is?

Ernie Baywood
47 Posted 31/03/2013 at 02:55:55
With the new TV deal we will have some money.

The league is pressing for clubs to reduce debt and not inflate wage bills by imposing spending limits specifically around the new TV money.

What will Everton do? There are lots of things to pan out but there is the potential for a transfer fund. If I were about to sign up for a few years I'd want to know.

Paul Ferry
48 Posted 31/03/2013 at 03:45:31
Silly Moyes, 'I think everybody knows that ideally a decision will be made at the end of the season' - Mick 979 spot on, he has nowhere to go in Engjand at any rate,
Paul Andrews
50 Posted 31/03/2013 at 08:53:10
He has overestimated the strength of his position. He believes he is untouchable with the fans. I think he may well be changing his opinion, realising he has read the situation wrongly. Where would he go? Who would give him £70k per week for finishing 6/7th?

Everton are in my opinion the biggest club he will manage. He will sign regardless of how much he has to spend. He has done all this shit before in his last contract negotiations, got told a load of lies and stiil signed. He will repeat that again.

Trevor Lynes
52 Posted 31/03/2013 at 09:04:03
Si... so long as there are people writing on this site who give the board all the excuses they need, nothing will be done.

How do you know that the money is not available? Are you speaking for BK or are you Mystic Meg?

I'm sick of people like you meekly accepting that we have no money whereas teams like Newcastle and others do. This board do not invest their money... only the fans are true investors.

I do not believe that a club that consistently finishes in the top 10 of the league with crowds of 35,000 each week has no money. If you do then it's up to you and people like you are making excuses for this board.

Meanwhile you are all castigating a manager who has done a great job without financial help. They are true facts which is obvious to anyone with a brain!!

Mike Green
53 Posted 31/03/2013 at 09:11:54
Andy 001 - 'I like Lennon and in some ways he is a hard man to like....'

Wise words indeed.

Gavin Ramejkis
54 Posted 31/03/2013 at 10:09:42
I was talking to my cousin's daughter before the game yesterday, her boyfriend is German and says the papers over there have been awash with the Shalke deal for Moyes as done and dusted for some time.

BK will only use people as a human shield when it serves him, the second it doesn't he puts his best snake oil salesman hat on and comes up with his latest bullshitism which will deflect criticism from himself big time and at Moyes when he goes.

The only way the board will start spending money at Everton is when it's made of completely new faces and a new chairman... Don't hold your breath whilst BK still has a pulse.

Kieran Fitzgerald
55 Posted 31/03/2013 at 10:14:20
I can see Moyes going to Sunderland, but only if they stay up. The club cannot afford relegation. I heard Niall Quinn say recently that during his time as chairman they overspent. While the club has a very good revenue stream in it's fan base, I can't see it running at a profit.

The squad at sunderland isn't great but it's not piss poor either. Moyes coming in and getting things ship shape the way he did at the start of his Everton career might be very attractive to the Sunderland Board after a couple of years flirting with relegation. I could see them offering him a decent contract on the basis of this if nothing else. For a club in the condition they are in at the moment it would be the sensible thing to do. You wouldn't be expecting or asking him to win trophies but ask any Sunderland fan right now and a Moyes type manager would suit them.

Christopher Kelly
56 Posted 31/03/2013 at 10:25:19
Is anyone else surprised that we have now become a club of Mitt Romney's..... loading the club full of debt only to personally gain from the losses and subsequent desperate loans from cronies off shore???

Is that what we had in mind when we signed up to pledge our allegiance to the School of Science in the 00s, 90s, 80s, 70s, 60s or even 50s???

No AGMs, no transparency, club full of debt, now... LIES!

If there is nothing to hide, prove it!

Gavin McGarvey
57 Posted 31/03/2013 at 11:27:04
Does anyone really think Moyes is staying? Even if (and I hope we do) Everton qualify for the Champions League, I think he's on his way. Football being what it is he can't come out and openly say that. I would be surprised if Moyes is going to another job, that it hasn't all been sorted out already. Unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised if Bill hasn't got a 24/7 search in motion.
Mike Green
58 Posted 31/03/2013 at 11:48:09
Looking at Paddy Power, Moyes is favourite to be next Arsenal manager, second favourite to be next Man Utd manager but not even in the betting to be next Sunderland manager. It's a funny old game....
Mike Green
59 Posted 31/03/2013 at 11:53:43
And it would appear he's also 2nd favourite to be next Chelsea manager too. By all accounts the only bloke that can pip Moyes to the big jobs is Jose Mourinho..... Blimey! — no wonder he's playing hardball.....
Paul Dark
60 Posted 31/03/2013 at 12:26:19
Moyes believes his own hype – and that of the (sub-mediocre, self-interested, cynical) British sporting Press. He's a good manager in certain ways, but he'll be found out eventually – as lacking tactical nous and good tactical skills etc. He won't be able to manage a club with big money, in my view.

The comfort he has at Everton he'll have nowhere else.

Kevin Day
61 Posted 31/03/2013 at 12:16:54
I said this on another post, and was told I was wrong, but, after reading David Moyes's statement again, I'm starting to think I'm right. And that is he knows the transfer budget, but is worried where it's coming from and how it gets paid back. Hence why he's saying he's waiting for the details of it before deciding.

This is what he means when he says he'll do what's good for Everton FC. He doesn't want to put the club in more jeopardy than it already is.

Eric Myles
62 Posted 31/03/2013 at 12:23:55
Trevor #047 "I do not believe that a club that consistently finishes in the top 10 of the league with crowds of 35,000 each week has no money."

Trevor, we have no money because we are spending more every season than we receive in income, it's simple McCawber economics.

Plus we're spending 30% of our income on something the chairman has no clue about.

Denis Richardson
63 Posted 31/03/2013 at 12:44:52
'Moyes added: “If people say it is best for Everton Football Club that I stay, then I would agree — I genuinely believe that as well."'

Don't think we need anymore proof that he's going to stay. Unfortunately no better offers have come in so far and this is the first beginnings of a face saving step back, which will unfortunately see David Moyes remain manager for yet another 3-5 years.

So much for hoping.

Kieran Fitzgerald
64 Posted 31/03/2013 at 12:39:55
Kevin, while I don't think that Moyes is as bad as Redknapp, who will happliy spend money the club hasn't got all day every day, I don't know how much he actually cares at this stage about the overall good of the club's finances. I think that he is more concerned about how much longer he will be expected to squeeze a pound out of every penny he gets by way of a transfer fund. In fairness I don't blame him in that regard. After eleven years, the bullshit and false promises will have worn very thin. Either back me or I walk is fair enough.

While I don't think him or any manager stalling on a contract is good for the club, I don't really think he is holding the club to ransom. I think that he needs to make a proper decision soon though one way or the other. If it was me I would walk because I can't see the Board changing thrier approach or the banks stumping up any more cash.

Paul Andrews
65 Posted 31/03/2013 at 13:02:13
Kieran,

Putting it as subtly as I can... He does not give a fuck how much he will have to spend in the transfer market. He went through exactly the same scenario the last time his contract was due for renewal. He made all the right noises about needing finance to stay, got given fuck all that he could not raise on player sales, AND STILL SIGNED HIS MASSIVELY IMPROVED CONTRACT.

Kevin Day
66 Posted 31/03/2013 at 13:11:00
Kieran.

I hear where you're coming from, but I do believe that after 11 years he does care about our club, no matter what people think of him. I just think BK is panicking and is finding what he can lay his hands on to keep him.

Patrick Murphy
67 Posted 31/03/2013 at 16:36:26
David Moyes is ambitious so he can justify his position regarding his delay in signing a new contract he says, "The only thing I am interested in is managing winning teams that are regularly in Europe," he told the BBC.

"I have always said we should wait until the end of the season, because by that time we will see where the club is and how we can move forward.

"That is big for me, as I want to know if there is a chance that Everton in the future can continue to compete at this level and if anything, get better."

Now if you consider the clubs Everton FC are competing with Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool, the odds of Everton being able to spend their way into Europe are remote. All of these clubs for one reason or another will be stronger next season and we need to spend to just keep hanging on to their coat-tails never mind compete with them on an even keel. Short of an announcement of a new buyer or new stadium I just can't see where the current board can give David Moyes what he wants without further jeopardising our already precarious financial state.

I'm sure we all want what David Moyes wants – a winning team competing regularly in Europe but are we prepared to pay the price for that, both individually and as a club. Season ticket prices can't be increased as it won't serve its purpose of raising much needed cash, the more I read the differing versions of DM's reasons, the more it looks like he will leave at the end of the season short of BK winning the European Lottery 3 weeks on the trot.

Paul Andrews
68 Posted 31/03/2013 at 17:01:37
BK will win the equivalent of several lottery jackpots if he gets his asking price.
Trevor Lynes
69 Posted 31/03/2013 at 18:43:36
Eric #75.

Where on earth do you get your information from ??

People like you who make excuses for our board really annoy me.
Let THEM make their own excuses don't help them.

Fact is we supposedly had money to sign FER and brought him over for a medical.
He was scouted at the clubs expense.
Fact number two..we had money supposedly available to sign Ofoe on loan.
Fact three..we LOANED OUT four players since January and only Barkley is back.

If we have spent no money since then it must be available, or can you make yet another feeble excuse for the board.

Teams like Sunderland and other relegation threatened clubs have spent money during the January transfer window although they get much less place money than we do.

Our squad is smaller than a lot of relegation threatened clubs and also mid table clubs.
We have actually used LESS players during this season than ANY other club.

Other chairmen and boards INVEST their money in their clubs.
The only investors at EFC are the FANS !!!!

Patrick Murphy
70 Posted 31/03/2013 at 18:56:57
Trevor if you read the thread about 'who owns Goodison Park' you will realise that even the fans don't contribute to the funds for new players, all sources of income appear to line other people's pockets outside of the club, but only money which the club can borrow helps to fund the buying of players.

Maybe we should adopt the motif 'Everton FC – the other people's club'

Eugene Ruane
71 Posted 31/03/2013 at 19:00:46
Patrick - "Maybe we should adopt the motif 'Everton FC – the other people's club'"

Many a true word...

Ian Smitham
72 Posted 31/03/2013 at 19:00:31
I have asked this on here a number of times, and repeat, does anyone KNOW if Moyes has been offered a new contract?
Denis Richardson
73 Posted 31/03/2013 at 19:02:23
Gavin (052), I live in Germany at the moment and tbh have not heard much about Moyes going to Schalke. As far as I can see/read here, Di Matteo is the fav to take over, if they go outside the country to get a new manager. The current caretaker manager is also in the running.

Di Matteo has said he's only interested in a club that will play champions league football next year and Schalke are currently battling for the last CL place with Frankfurt, but its really tight and anyone of about 5-6 clubs are still in with a shout and it will go to the wire. Bayern long won the league and BVB should have 2nd taken care of. 3rd and 4th are still open.

Di Matteo also has the advantage of having won trophies and more importantly can speak German...

Still if Schalke don't get into the CL, then I guess there's still some hope of Moyes going there.

Denis Richardson
74 Posted 31/03/2013 at 19:08:47
Ian – I believe BK said that there is an offer on the table and Moyes just needs to say yes or no; however, BK also said there is no pressure on Moyes to give his answer just yet, ie, until the end of the season.
Ian Smitham
75 Posted 31/03/2013 at 19:25:55
Denis@169, I have missed that, anyone else seen it?
Kevin Day
76 Posted 31/03/2013 at 19:24:12
@ Patrick Murphy.

Spot on mate. Only thing I don't agree on is I think he may sign, albeit a 3 yr deal or something.

Si Cooper
77 Posted 31/03/2013 at 20:24:34
Trevor - I don't think anyone is excusing the board, it is just that I don't believe a word they say about transfers until the player actually signs as I think a lot of what comes out of the club is spin.

On another post someone said a deal for Heitinga to go fell through because of a cock-up over how long he had left on his contract, and this meant the club didn't have as much money available as they had expected. This has the ring of truth about it for me as there was a lot of speculation about JH's future at the club if you think back.

BK may be an Evertonian but he does not have huge amounts of cash of his own and his fellow board members are obviously not interested in pumping money into the club.

Most of the cash the club generates goes on players wages (as someone else has said we have payed a lot to retain our best for as long as possible) and the rest is swallowed up by operating costs that include a hefty chunk of interest on loans. The smaller clubs that outspend us are either racking up their debt or have more generous (foolish Martin Mason would call them) Board members.

We can rant and rail against the injustice of it but we can't make the Board hand over their own money if they don't want to. The manager can try to force their hand if he chooses, but his motives in delaying signing remain dubious to me considering the number of times he has actively bigged-up the Chairman in the past.

Sam Hoare
78 Posted 31/03/2013 at 21:45:58
So di Canio is new Sunderland coach. Brave choice.

I don't think Moyes will be offered a better job. Yet. Can anyone see him staying on a one year rolling type contract thing. Surely not. Yet I feel BK would basically bend over backwards and pull his pants down if he thought it would make him stay. Say what you like about Moyes but while he's here we won't get relegated and that will do for BK.

David Moorcroft
79 Posted 31/03/2013 at 22:11:10
I cannot believe you're all falling for the same shit again. I gave an interview on Radio City about these conmen 5 years ago and I said then that I have never known Everton FC to be in such a precarious position in my life with these conmen who are controlling our club.

And nothing has changed... In fact, it's got worse. Because that twat Kenwright has a bigger personal fortune than he did then. He made a statement on Sky, saying, "We don't want another one of him who mortgages his house to buy EFC." Fucking Liar.

And how has your personal wealth rocketed since you became Everton FC's chairman. £11 million at the last count... and that was 2 years ago according to the Sunday Mirror's list of Premier League Chairmen's personal wealth.
Andy Crooks
82 Posted 01/04/2013 at 00:32:19
An insane choice, in my view, Sam. D Canio ahead of O'Neill is utter madness. Di Canio has presented this image as a maverick who fights the establishment and stands up for the small man, He is attributed ability that his record just doesn't back up. He reminds me very much of... err, his hero, actually.

A petulant, self-absorbed, dummy spitting no-mark who will find an excuse to walk away as soon as he fucks up. They sacked O'Neill for this histrionic, vastly over-rated fascist?

Patrick Murphy
83 Posted 01/04/2013 at 01:04:35
David Milliband has resigned from his role at Sunderland citing political reasons - although he already announced he was going to the US last week prior to the sacking of O'Neill - as some have suggested on this site Di Canio has some extreme ideas.
Ben Jones
84 Posted 01/04/2013 at 01:36:40
Moyes is in the driving seat, nothing equal about their negotiating position at all.

Moyes will not likely get a job straight away if he leaves, but he can wait a bit, take a break for a year or whatever, or he could do some media work, he's worked for 5 live before.

Kenwright will lose his favourite if negotiations don't go well.

If Moyes stays and manages to get some cash, then I'd be very happy. If Moyes stays and there's no cash, then I would rather he will leave, just because I can see his heart not being in the job anymore. No signs of progression.

Either way, something has to change.

Eric Myles
85 Posted 01/04/2013 at 01:43:02
Trevor#158, I get my information from the Club accounts.

Fact 1. our expenditure was £9.5M more than our income.

Fact 2. That figure was after the sale of assets of around £10M so we're actually losing around £20M per year in real terms.

Fact 3. The net debt has stayed the same, which means money is being found to pay debt.

Fact 4. The only assets we have to sell are players.

Fact 5. We have no money.

Seems to me that YOU are the one that believes the board's lies about having money to spend on players.

Eric Myles
86 Posted 01/04/2013 at 01:54:07
Oh Trevor, another 'fact' which I'm not so sure about actually as it was posted by another TWebber.

The reported income of £82M includes £20M of NEXT SEASON'S early bird season ticket sales which means our actual losses are worse than the accounts tell.

Which again adds up to NO MONEY.

Gavin Ramejkis
87 Posted 01/04/2013 at 01:55:22
Denis, I am trying to get hold of the papers to find out what they say as a fan of the German national side I don't think Moyes is a good fit for the Bundesliga, far too conservative and not innovative enough plus they have a major push for youth development and being played. Moyes, if he goes to Germany, would get his chance to choke against Guardiola twice a season as well as a good few other managers.
Paul Andrews
88 Posted 01/04/2013 at 09:21:02
Gavin,

Get the German papers online. He is not mentioned in any of the ones I have read. Stinks of an agent's input to me.

Al Reddish
89 Posted 01/04/2013 at 09:37:23
"You can only work with what you are given and I am sure the manager would have loved to have had a lot of money in the January window when we were up there in a better position than we are now.

"But it is hard to wish for things which are not going to happen.

Quote from Jags above. This is why Moyes is holding on before signing a contract. It used to be a closed shop at Everton but with players and coaches (Stubbs) coming forward and asking for money, the pressure is on Bill more than ever to come up trumps. He might have to re-mortgage a theatre.

Denis Richardson
90 Posted 01/04/2013 at 12:40:19
Al - the real pressure will be on Bill when Moyes leaves. Like him or not, Moyes has been and is currently a shield that protects the board and allows them to do f all.

If the club is to seriously move forward in the medium to longer term, Moyes needs to go. (We will not get relegated and the club will still exist without Moyes, unlike some people would have us believe).

Gavin - I agree with you, I really can't see Moyes at Schalke. They are a relatively progressive side and I just can't see what Moyes would bring to them. They don't start every season with the goal of simply staying up, their normal aim is to at the minimum get into the CL places, if not have an outside chance of winning the title - doesn't exactly fit with Moyes OM!

Kieran Fitzgerald
91 Posted 01/04/2013 at 13:35:38
Patrick @125. That's a good point about several clubs spending their way out of trouble over the summer. This will make it much harder for whom ever is managing Everton come the start of next season to compete. Utd, City, Arsenal and Chelsea will all improve their squads. Spurs will have seen AVB do well this season and see out his probation period so to speak. They will back him financially over the summer to maintain this season's progress and push on again. The RS will get money to spend and if they can pick up a decent centre half and a decent midfielder they could do well enough next season as well.

What will the Everton manager get? Possibly price of one decent player if we don't sell anyone, the price of two if we do.

Sam Hoare
92 Posted 01/04/2013 at 14:02:38
Kieran 276. Yes.

I wrote an article for TW (that seems to have been lost in the ether) saying how the small window of CL opportunity will soon be closing. The likes of Arsenal, Tottenham and the RS are considerably better placed than us financially and can be expected to all spend upwards of £20m net this Summer whereas I would expect us to once again have a break even if not negative net spend.

Add to that the increased stability of AVB and Brenda along with the possible return of Mourinho to Chelsea and it looks as though we may well struggle to keep pace, with or without Moyes. I fear the club's failure to boost this season's decent Champions league push with new signings in January may cost us and have shut the door on our best opportunity for the next few years at least.

Ross Edwards
93 Posted 01/04/2013 at 18:01:48
I think Moyes's "style" of management and football would be suited to Serie A personally. However, he wouldn't last 5 minutes in Italy as club presidents over there pull the trigger very quickly, and 2 defeats or draws in a row is seen as a club being in crisis.

I am sadly resigned to the fact that we'll be stuck with Moyes for 3-5 more years as I can't see him get a better job than Everton. If he would have left 2 or 3 years earlier, he might have been in a better job by now.

Gavin Ramejkis
94 Posted 01/04/2013 at 21:30:45
Paul it comes from a German not gossip, he's a Man U fan to boot so no axe to grind and I've brought him to many a game at Goodison Park. I'll try to find what exactly he saw.
Gavin Ramejkis
95 Posted 01/04/2013 at 22:07:28
Warnock has been pumped by Leeds so there's another name for Bill Jong Ill

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