Manager targets fifth place finish
We won't get top four," Moyes conceded. "Every game was a must-win and I can't see that happening.
We are going to try to get Europe. I said the minute we lose a game everyone will say we can't reach the Champions League and that is probably right.
I am sure the points total we could still get would probably get us there but, with the teams we are trying to overtake, that becomes really difficult.
But it is a good effort we are still talking about it in mid April.
Everton lost ground in the chase for the top four with their 1-0 defeat to Sunderland, while Chelsea picked up a point at Anfield and both Tottenham and Arsenal moved further ahead with wins against Manchester City and Fulham respectively.
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904 Posted 22/04/2013 at 01:21:05
908 Posted 22/04/2013 at 02:25:46
915 Posted 22/04/2013 at 05:26:22
916 Posted 22/04/2013 at 05:29:48
923 Posted 22/04/2013 at 06:27:43
Could somebody translate that for me.
924 Posted 22/04/2013 at 06:42:16
The League table does not lie and all the teams above us have bigger squads.
926 Posted 22/04/2013 at 07:16:45
Moyes should have said that it was as soft as the one Arsenal got last week, rather than coming across as some pathetic Wenger-type.
And somebody have a word with Jela behind closed doors please.
930 Posted 22/04/2013 at 07:53:53
I thought we had our shit game against Wigan... but no, we were a shambles. Sunderland were there for the taking. Their down there because they're shit. So what does that make us?
Di Canio has made a difference in confidence: same players... so, Mr Moyes, take note. So it's down to beating the Shite stay above them. 5th is a dream... same old, same old, eh Blues?
931 Posted 22/04/2013 at 08:10:37
Thanks Bill and the board. Another fucking season over by April.
935 Posted 22/04/2013 at 08:46:05
936 Posted 22/04/2013 at 08:46:05
938 Posted 22/04/2013 at 08:54:48
942 Posted 22/04/2013 at 09:16:17
943 Posted 22/04/2013 at 09:14:37
Rewind 24 hours to our game on Wearside and you see the exact opposite from our manager. Very, very frustrating.
945 Posted 22/04/2013 at 09:19:37
947 Posted 22/04/2013 at 09:27:48
948 Posted 22/04/2013 at 09:39:30
953 Posted 22/04/2013 at 09:45:04
"The League table does not lie and all the teams above us have bigger squads. "
And all the team below us have bigger squads.....
I thought 5th was possible before Sundeland game, but now I am not so sure, I just hope and pray we stay above RS.
960 Posted 22/04/2013 at 10:35:25
He will be off in the summer and is leaving it late which will make it hard to get a replacement. Moyes may ruin next season's team building also. When he didn't commit, we should have got rid. Instead, we will wait for him to make his mind up.
963 Posted 22/04/2013 at 10:48:33
965 Posted 22/04/2013 at 10:54:24
My question now is why wait? We know we will finish 5th or 6th now which makes no difference either way.
Moyes needs to state his intentions now....but he won't.......Know why? I think he knows he's going now and is delaying it so he doesn't have to suffer the backlash from the fans. If that is the case then he is less of a man than I thought he was!
On the flip side, if he is staying, say so now!!!! Just put us out of misery....Please!!!
972 Posted 22/04/2013 at 11:37:50
977 Posted 22/04/2013 at 12:07:16
984 Posted 22/04/2013 at 12:16:52
What would be different if he does one now or in 4 games time? Why leave with 4 games to go in a season? See the season out and then leave....or stay, whatever!
986 Posted 22/04/2013 at 12:25:25
990 Posted 22/04/2013 at 12:19:51
We have NO chance of getting 5th! We're 5 points behind spurs and 6 behind Chelsea, we have 4 games left and they both have 5 left. Even IF they both lose their game in hand, we would need a minimum of 2 wins from our last four games and that is reliant on Spurs loosing ALL their remaining games!
Spurs would realisticaly have to pick up only 3 points from their last 5 games AND we would have to win at least 3 of our last 4 games to have any chance at all. Given they have home games against a safe southhampton and a safe sunderland to come, amoungst others, I think there's more chance of BK selling the club to North Korea than us overtaking them.
The basic fact is that one point from two games against Arsenal and Sunderland, when each game had a shed load riding on it, is/was simply NOT ENOUGH.
Just admit the season is over but we will 'take each game seriously untill the end' and finally say that you are LEAVING! We can give you a good send off at the home game against West Ham.
This whole 'season is not over' crap is either denial or probably a rues to buy more time to see if he can get a better offer before admitting that he cant and signing yet another 5 year contract.
991 Posted 22/04/2013 at 12:33:12
The quality of the performances overall is falling season on season, I suppose that's what happens when clubs are allowed to hoard players, It's a bit like horse racing now where the richest stables produce the winning horses and jockeys with everyone else making up the numbers.
994 Posted 22/04/2013 at 13:06:57
'We're coming to what should be the crunch time and the only issues to be decided are two out of three for Champions League and who goes down. Last few seasons have been the same and no doubt next year will be too.'
Mark, seriously? Fair enough suggesting that this season's finale has been dull, but to say the last few seasons means that you must have been on a different planet during last season's incredible climax.
997 Posted 22/04/2013 at 13:21:25
No matter what the Doddites say, this has been a season of underachievement, Too many draws have cost us due to Davey's negativity, Lost in the League Cup to Leeds, Lost 0-3 to Wigan in the FA.
I hope we don't get Europe because looking at Saturday's performance, it would be embarrassing. But, the MOB can look on the bright side, as No Europe, No Moyesy.
998 Posted 22/04/2013 at 13:06:06
My gripe however is with the respect part, it is supposed to work both ways isn't it? Where is Moyes' respect for the fans, his players and the club? I feel he is treating everybody with utter contempt and for me that is just not on!!
If he wants to go then fine, if he wants to brush off the fans and the club then fine, what isn't fine is what it must be doing to the players. When he stated in January that he would make a decision at the end of the season our form dipped dramatically and we have been scrapping for points since. When Lescott left he said that it took the players a lot of time to get over it and it affected their performances, but when asked if the uncertainty over his future would affect the players he said RUBBISH...... Utter contempt that I just cannot forgive.
Since all this uncertainty Fellaini, Baines, Osman and Pienaar have been shadows of what they were before. Phil Neville once stated all the players love Moyes and remember nowadays the players don't play for the shirt...they play for their manager. How many times have we seen it at other clubs where the players don't play for the manager.....Look at Sunderland and AVB at Chelsea.
That is why he has to state his intentions...........even if just to show some integrity!!!!!
999 Posted 22/04/2013 at 13:29:21
002 Posted 22/04/2013 at 13:35:48
We finished last season on 56 points; we reached the same number after 33 games this term. Definite improvement.
004 Posted 22/04/2013 at 13:32:49
Let's stay 6th, get shut of Desperate Dave and hopefully we get an upbeat attack-minded football manager who thinks winning is important. Look at AVB's subs yesterday and think about what he did and what Moyes would've done. AVB went for the win even though 1-0 down... Moyes would've stayed as you were and tried to nick a draw from a corner.
I can't listen to Moyes and his bleating anymore. Who the fuck is Moyes anyway? Just some guy hanging around like a bad smell until another Divy Chairman takes him on board. Please Do one, Davey we don't care what you think. It's all too late now; when you had the chances this season, you blew it in what is a very average Premier League.
In the past 12 months, I have seen the two most pathetic disgusting performances by any Everton side in my life time both down to David Moyes: 2012 FA Cup Semi-Final and 2013 FA Cup Quarter-Final...
Thanks for the memories... Loser.
006 Posted 22/04/2013 at 13:58:12
We are the ONLY Premier League club who don't have the final say on who they employ as manager - fucking ridiculous state of affairs.
007 Posted 22/04/2013 at 13:55:00
Given the Leeds and Wigan results, it's clutching at straws a bit for me to say we had a 'successful' season. It all ended on a bit of a damper and we still have no clue as to what the manager situation will be.
For those who say it's not important IT IS. If you're trying to sign players on a 'free' as their contracts end in June, no player will be interested if they don't even know who the manager will be next season. Other clubs have already started their 2013-14 season plans and which players they'll try to sign. Doing this is not really possible if the manager doesn't know whether he's staying or going yet...
008 Posted 22/04/2013 at 14:14:51
013 Posted 22/04/2013 at 15:00:38
014 Posted 22/04/2013 at 15:03:03
017 Posted 22/04/2013 at 15:13:51
I'm all for having a go at Moyes's subs, but when you can turn to those mentioned above instead of Berkley, Oviedo, Neville and Naisminth it's clear to see why they change games and ours just run around a bit.
018 Posted 22/04/2013 at 15:40:43
Moyes out! We should win every game! Why don't we play like Barcelona?! How dare he not bring on Holtby! Boo hoo...i'm just very tired now and need some warm milk....
Its been an average Moyes season. Which means slightly over achieving in the league and one or two gutting cup results to inferior opposition. At times we have played some great football and looked mustard, at times our squad has been stretched and tired and we have looked mayonnaise. Moyes had made mistakes of course but the most criminal mistake was made by the unambitious board in January who managed to not bring in a single senior player.
I hope Moyes leaves this Summer mainly so we can argue about a new manager. Pretty sure that the odds would be much better on us falling down the table rather than moving up it but perhaps all the MOB won't mind that so long as we 'give it a go', no doubt they will still be blaming Moyes for something.
023 Posted 22/04/2013 at 15:56:02
024 Posted 22/04/2013 at 15:50:58
027 Posted 22/04/2013 at 16:03:24
Some of the all-time lows in Everton's history have occurred during the Peters and Lee double act of Kenwright/Moyes
For shameful, though, I'll see your cup debacles and raise you Mar 13, 2012
029 Posted 22/04/2013 at 16:08:25
Jagielka talked before the Arsenal game about proving Everton could handle the big games: the Sunderland game was a massive game for us, win and we were up to fifth, putting real pressure on Spurs and Chelsea... we bottled it as usual!
Even if we win every game left this season, which we all know won't happen, we would still need Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal to turn in to Everton-style bottlers and it just won't happen! Just look at the difference: Arsenal went away to Fulham, played absolutely shit and deserved nothing from the game but still got the 3 points; Spurs were 0-1 down against Man City and all of a sudden they are 3-1 up! We go away to Sunderland where we are unbeaten under Moyes and.... we lose!!
I don't particularly want Moyes out because I just can't think of anyone else who could do much better but I am no longer bothered if he does go because I think, either with him or without him, until we get more money, we will always finish between 6th and 8th. All we have to play for now is to stay above Liverpool and that is very sad considering how god awful they have been this season.
In a season that promised so much, we have once again got so little.
031 Posted 22/04/2013 at 16:14:43
We're not going to win the league anytime soon and with or wihtout Moyes we're not going to qualify for the CL as long as the clowns are in charge. However, without Moyes we have a hell of a lot better chance of actually winning a cup and going on successful cup runs as well as providing some enterternment and excitment - which at the end of the day is the whole point, isn't it?
032 Posted 22/04/2013 at 16:20:33
Winning the first game against Man Utd was probably a sign that we had something a little more special this season but it quickly dissipated after the injuries to Gibson and Mirallas, followed by the reluctance of Moyes to rotate his starting eleven, even when some players were underachieving. He just didn't have a Plan B.
The writing was clearly on the wall after many mediocre performances particularly against poorer clubs like QPR and Reading. If we now inexplicably fail to finish above RS then I am sure most of us would like to see Moyes leave.
034 Posted 22/04/2013 at 16:26:48
036 Posted 22/04/2013 at 16:22:38
So before you are in a hurry to get rid of Moyes would be interesting to hear the alternatives. And when putting forward suggestions make them realistic given our tiny budjet with which the manager has to work.
038 Posted 22/04/2013 at 16:38:06
Does that mean the MOB are currently willing us to lose?
039 Posted 22/04/2013 at 16:22:34
040 Posted 22/04/2013 at 16:42:24
041 Posted 22/04/2013 at 16:41:14
042 Posted 22/04/2013 at 16:44:07
047 Posted 22/04/2013 at 17:18:14
If he goes I will give my support to the new fella, the King is dead, Long live the King and all that bollocks.
048 Posted 22/04/2013 at 17:26:52
Think back to when we got rid of old `Disappointed'
If you'd have posed this question then, I wonder if many of us, including your good selve, would have come up with David Moyes as a "credible..realistic alternative"
Mr Hill, fellow pop-picker
One-hit wonders but Lenny had a good voice
It still makes me smile that, whenever that song comes on Karaoke or whatever in a pub, you get people putting one hand on another's shoulder and ambling across the room
The image of those two shuffling on stage is as vivid, for me, as when Nena first raised her arms above her head in 99 Red Balloons
049 Posted 22/04/2013 at 17:35:39
051 Posted 22/04/2013 at 17:32:38
Perhaps disappointment with these players will persuade Davey his future is elsewhere.But I hope not.
054 Posted 22/04/2013 at 17:54:07
He was at Olympiacos, 34 from 67
Wonder what position he played there
As for Jelavic, could Fellaini up front in a quasi-Cahill role have been a contributory factor?
055 Posted 22/04/2013 at 17:59:15
056 Posted 22/04/2013 at 18:11:56
057 Posted 22/04/2013 at 18:19:05
061 Posted 22/04/2013 at 18:22:49
062 Posted 22/04/2013 at 18:32:37
Memory plays tricks but he was, last season, including the Cup run, picking up pieces in the box and pouncing on balls played to his feet, regularly - so what's changed? Seems not to be him, per se, but the way the team is set up
I agree fully about Pienaar; even his enforced lay-off doesn't seem to have helped, but convinced he'll be back
Most of the team look like they need a rest
063 Posted 22/04/2013 at 18:39:53
I am positive that virtually any other manager would have tried Mirallas as central striker-what was there to lose?-as well as giving chances in the side to Oviedo,Duffy and Vellios. And what about the kid from Barnsley? Never got a minute off the bench-his arse must be well sore!
No,your man would rather stick to his favourites although WTF he sees in Naismith,I will never know.
Time for change id NOW!
069 Posted 22/04/2013 at 18:56:57
It's just a piss up abroad?
Actually it's a few piss-ups.
Maybe some INCREDIBLE never-to-be-forgotten piss-ups.
(sorry are Everton providing some of you with with hundreds of memorable joy-filled moments that I'm not privy to?)
I understand we've been horribly conditioned by the grim percentage presbyterian fayre on offer in the last 18 years or so, but don't forget this football thing IS supposed to be enjoyable.
I fully expect us to get nowhere near Europa but if we did, I for one would embrace it 100%
"Yeah but we'll be knackered and our squad is..."
Couldn't give a fuck, I want a few laughs
I'm 54 and times-a-wasting.
I'll take any excuse to get a few more Everton in Europe trips before a combination of Bensons, Greggs and Guinness finally does for me.
To (again) quote my late mother 'you're a long time dead'.
Sings: "And we love our......"
076 Posted 22/04/2013 at 20:07:45
The big difference between when Smith was manager and now under Moyes is that under Moyes we are a top 6 club under Walter we were fighting relegation and if he stayed we would have gone down. Actually before Walter got sacked I was telling friends that I wouldn't be disappointed if we got Moyes, when he did his badges his mentors on the course were Ferguson and Mourinho in the end Walter recommended him to BK. Obviously he had got positive feedback from Ferguson as well as the job he was doing at Preston.
079 Posted 22/04/2013 at 20:07:37
083 Posted 22/04/2013 at 19:11:55
086 Posted 22/04/2013 at 20:30:45
RVP has just scored a hat-trick, oh for somebody of his quality.
090 Posted 22/04/2013 at 20:28:08
095 Posted 22/04/2013 at 19:40:14
I'm not interested in our limited funds and limited playing staff and how it's all not worth it financially......fuck that I'm a footy fan.
100 Posted 22/04/2013 at 21:51:06
I have been to a few of them and they were nothing like Villarreal away which had importance attached to the game. In the Europa it's like, "Who gives a shit? What time does the latest bar shut?" Yes, it's a laugh going abroad with the lads watching footy but it's a lot better in a proper tournament.
I remember being at the Nuremberg away game and although about 5k made the journey, there was very little atmosphere. Win lose or draw, we couldn't get knocked out; there was nothing on the line and it ended up a drinking excursion for the fans. How is that being a footy fan?
Sorry Boys it's Champions League or nothing for me. That Europa League sucks the life out of the squad and for what? So fans can get pissed abroad... WOW! Big deal.... Go to fucking Benidorm for a few days.
103 Posted 22/04/2013 at 22:42:34
After 10 years of Moyes's excuses and whining not to mention his absolute stubbornness to change his tactics and poor team selections we need a fresh start and players who do not habitually underachieve.
Yes we have had some decent players and some astute signings but generally Moyes has brought in a lot of misfits from other clubs, played them week-in and week-out when they were clearly crap. The only exception is Osman who he should have left on loan at Derby which is about Osman's true level despite the sentimental England call-up.
Everton will continue to be average as long as Moyes is here. Wanting to finish fifth is a loser's mentality so typical of Moyes.
117 Posted 23/04/2013 at 00:11:15
119 Posted 23/04/2013 at 01:04:08
We all want better, of course. Everton has shown it's ability to stay well up in the table again in spite of having no cash for players. Now, we must be ripe for a good buyer - you know who being "wiling" to sell!!??
Main aims left this season - Suarez sent back to Uruguayan zoo, where he clearly belongs and we beat RS at Anfield. Doubt we can get 5th even though it's mathematically possible at present.
120 Posted 23/04/2013 at 01:21:46
I think 2005-06 was the last time we were seriously under threat from the big R as everyone keeps saying we are now considered to be a top six team. As for the hoofball I think we are still prone to a variation of it but it is still evident as witnessed at the Emirates last week on occasions.
It's still possible to get 4th but we would have to win all our games and the other 3 would have to draw or lose most if not all of their games, like you said 6th is probably the highest position we can achieve.
130 Posted 23/04/2013 at 07:42:43
142 Posted 23/04/2013 at 08:39:50
165 Posted 23/04/2013 at 10:58:13
There have been quite a few lows that would be decent hands in our poker game
Shrewsbury, Oldham, Reading, 7-0, 1-6.
That league derby, though, proved how little Moysey understood (or considered) the rank-and-file fans, especially those of us living locally.
170 Posted 23/04/2013 at 11:38:56
I spent four days in Florence and three days in an around Lisbon - all great trips/memories and the excuse to go there was provided by Everton's qualification in the Europa.
You can say 'go to Benidorm' but the fact is they don't have a team so there's no excuse to go.
Plus many wives, girlfriends or 'partners' won't stand for "I'm fucking off to Benidorm for three days just coz I fancy it", but strangely, many (with a little persuasion) WILL buy into "It's Everton, I HAVE to be there".
My advice (should the absolutely imfuckingpossible happen and we finish higher than sixth), book three days, have a day's drinking day of the match then the day after, jump on a train, get off after half an hour and explore a little (did this in Florence and Lisbon - fantastic).
I repeat, you're a long time dead and the alternative is sitting at home squeezing the boils on the back of your neck (or...whatever).
I agree 100% it's better in a proper tournament, but while the present shower of shit-bags are 'running' Everton, it will continue to be a case of beggars can't be choosers, take what you can.
183 Posted 23/04/2013 at 13:01:36
245 Posted 23/04/2013 at 17:26:32
288 Posted 23/04/2013 at 20:58:19
kenwright you lie.
348 Posted 24/04/2013 at 04:19:49
If they go in as Europa League winners, will that not cause the sixth place finishers in the league to qualify?
380 Posted 24/04/2013 at 10:35:51
I can't stand a minute longer of players who are suspended or injured coming straight back in the team and players dropped, Pienaar cost us two games without his services when he was suspended; we didn't need rocket science to let Oviedeo have a go there... but no: we use the same players but just moved round the pitch a little.
Barkley should have started in the Sunderland game; regardless how he played coming on later, the lad earned another start for his performance against Arsenal. Pienaar Fellaini, Osman know, no matter what happens (barring suspension) they will always be in the starting eleven. And Naismith knows he will always get a run out off the bench every week.
It's not working, Moyes; stop wringing about tired players, rest them! Give the fringe players a chance but, for god's sake, stop leaving it til the last 3 mins to make your second sub! Learn from Spurs last week how to make tactical changes earlier in the match.
688 Posted 25/04/2013 at 08:58:38
Far too many time this season they have found themselves in goalscoring positions but have been very poor in terms of finishing, Maybe that was the tactic with Jelavic being closely marked it would create space for others. However Osman and Pienaar are not natural goalscorers.
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