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Moyes to Schalke, Lennon to Everton

04/04/2013 | Comments (92)
The Moyes-to-leave-Everton beat goes on in the media, with the Daily Mail suggesting that Schalke have moved the Blues' manager to the top of their shortlist as they seek to install a new boss this summer.

Davey's replacement at Goodison? Celtic manager Neil Lennon, according to both the Mail and The Mirror.

Moyes has stated his admiration for the Bundesliga and admitted he would be interested in coaching there but has not made a decision — publicly, at least — either way on his future at Goodison Park.

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Nick Entwistle
126 Posted 04/04/2013 at 23:13:17
Lennon? Martinez in!
Denis Richardson
128 Posted 04/04/2013 at 23:13:36
Isn't April Fool's day already over?
Sam Hoare
133 Posted 04/04/2013 at 23:25:34
Ermm....no.
Brendan McLaughlin
134 Posted 04/04/2013 at 23:32:53
And yet some people think relegation is an impossibility post-Moyes
Clarence Yurcan
140 Posted 04/04/2013 at 23:51:48
Lennon has won Champions League matches, something Moyes will never do in his career with any club he goes to.
Patrick Murphy
141 Posted 04/04/2013 at 23:55:58
I think we should have the dream team of Lennon and McCarthy!
Ben Jones
142 Posted 05/04/2013 at 00:01:31
Not the worst shout in the world with Lennon.

Better than the crap with Round and Neville being favourites in some bookies.

Steavey Buckley
143 Posted 04/04/2013 at 23:58:39
It would be foolish to have someone like Neil Lennon who has had only experience in the SPL. And that counts for little south of the border in the premier league. Worst came to the worse, I would consider Rafa Benitez. Although he has considerably more experience with a little team like Liverpool but, of late, has had much more experience with a bigger club like Chelsea.
Declan Burke
150 Posted 05/04/2013 at 00:06:20
I am sure that if there was any truth in this rumour, it would make thousands of Celtic fans happy. This is the guy who shat himself anytime he faced Rangers. The tactical awareness of a newt. Welcome to the Championship!
James Flynn
151 Posted 05/04/2013 at 00:16:12
Soleskjaer in.

Who was Moyes when the 1st Club of English Football signed him?

Bill Goodall
162 Posted 05/04/2013 at 02:44:08
Hadn't a certain Man Utd manager only had SPL experience before coming south of the border?
Carl Bloxam
163 Posted 05/04/2013 at 02:48:56
I like your thinking, James!
Tom Hughes
177 Posted 05/04/2013 at 07:22:48
But Bill...... Ferguson managed to win the Scottish League with a non-old-firm team.... and a European trophy too. Something almost unheard of. Lennon is running easily the biggest club in a one-team league.

They did okay in Europe this year but, let's face it, they get a free ticket every year and at no time did they look like anything but giant killers defying the odds. Lennon might have ability but it's almost impossible to judge in his current role.

James Morgan
180 Posted 05/04/2013 at 07:57:03
More paper bollocks.

Good news: looks like Bale is out on Sunday.

James Cadwaladr
183 Posted 05/04/2013 at 08:37:56
Patrick, why not Terry Waite?
Barry Rathbone
186 Posted 05/04/2013 at 09:01:35
Isn't afraid of anything, beat Barcelona and I imagine when Benitez said "little club" Lennon would've told him to fuck off.

Every thing about present day Everton Football Club is excuse filled he strikes me as a man not of that ilk.

Kenwright's bullshit and players turning up when they feel like might get sorted – I'd take him on.

John Keating
187 Posted 05/04/2013 at 09:32:49
Never last the season.
Once he realised Bill had lied to him, he'd crack up!
Bill needs someone he and he alone can control.
Even Hibbert's dog is out the frame!
Ken Crowther
188 Posted 05/04/2013 at 09:33:00
The last 'old firm' manager to come here was Walter Smith, and he couldn't hack it. Why would Lennon be any different?

Patrick Murphy #141 – Nice one!

Iain Johnston
191 Posted 05/04/2013 at 09:52:16
Bayern's manager is on less than Moyes so it would be interesting to see what Schalke have to offer. If it's about the challenge, I think DM may leave; if it's money, he'll stay.

If DM leaves I honestly don't know who to replace him with... Salary-wise, we can attract the best, but we all know the issue regarding transfer funds.

I agree with JK (#187): Lennon would put BK on his arse.,. I wouldn't be surprised if they start spouting McCalls name... Shearer with Dunc? Now there's a scary thought!!!!

Thomas Windsor
195 Posted 05/04/2013 at 10:26:34
The Fat Spanish Waiter will be available on a free soon — and he might even have won two trophies this season... Worth a thought?
Paul Dark
203 Posted 05/04/2013 at 11:02:06
Lennon, Martinez (do people actually watch how Wigan play?)? Oh dear ... . We should be aiming higher, much higher. These are mediocre managers who don't belong at a club of Everton's stature.
Andrew Ellams
204 Posted 05/04/2013 at 11:25:58
Lennon is a horrible little man who I hope never comes within a million miles of this club.
Steve King
206 Posted 05/04/2013 at 11:27:47
I would be so annoyed if we got Lennon as manager. It would be a huge backwards step. Not a nice character either!

Surely the club is aiming higher than that?!!

James Stewart
207 Posted 05/04/2013 at 11:59:19
Don't rate Lennon at all. No thanks.
Tony J Williams
210 Posted 05/04/2013 at 12:05:36
Why do some posters believe that Kenwright would offer the same wages as a man that has 11 years behind him to a man just joining the club? It will never, ever happen.
Kevin Day
211 Posted 05/04/2013 at 12:08:57
I'm going to be brave and say Lennon would be ok post Moyes, not that he's going anywhere soon.

He's the kind of manger who rules the roost and any player not giving their all wouldn't last long. But give your all and he's right behind you, he shows passion and may just give the youngsters a go. Promote big D to No 2 — perfect recipe.

John Gee
212 Posted 05/04/2013 at 12:15:22
It's a wind-up. The Mirror is pro Liverpool and has been accused by Fergie in the past of trying to spread false rumours about Man Utd. Just watch in the next few weeks there will be loads of stories about trying to derail clubs by journalists who have an agenda.

If DM does go abroad Shalke isn't a bad shout but his lack of German could really count against him.

I thought FC Basle were impressive last night. Their manager seemed to have set them up pretty well for a difficult game. Bale was mostly nullified and Vertongan didn't look like the same player.

Kevin Tully
214 Posted 05/04/2013 at 12:51:44
Tony #210 - Absolutely, there will be no ambition there to pay anything near the wage Moyes is currently on. I reckon any new man will be on about 50% of his salary.

We are looking at a Martinez / Hughes / Bruce / Jones type appointment. I am resigned to be completely underwhelmed if we do get a new manager.

I would take Moyes over all of the above.

It looks like Swansea have pulled off a coup by re-signing Laudrup, and there will be many more we could get for £4m a year.

Nick Entwistle
215 Posted 05/04/2013 at 13:01:02
Laudrup could well end up in a relegation battle next season. He could be as good as the hype, or like a new striker to the league, the other teams figure out how to play against him in his second season.

He's signed up sure, but if he were a possible target I'd only have him as no more than flavour of the month man. Unfortunately, Liverpool seem to have made their fotm appointment a right call.

Kevin Jones
216 Posted 05/04/2013 at 10:04:35
No way I'd have Lennon and McCarthy Patrick, because "Across the Universe" there's plenty of managers who would "Tell me Why" "I've Got a Feeling" that " Yer Blues" " Can't buy Me Love". They'd probably say "It's Been a Hard Days Night" and "I'm So Tired" I need "Help" with "All I've Got To Do". Then we could give Stuart a ring and "Give Pearce a Chance" [Sorry!].

However, with "The continuing Story of Bungalow Bill" and the "Eight Days a Week" search for Investment which, by the way, is going "Nowhere Man" we'll be lucky to end up with "Rocky Racoon" saying "I Want to be Your Man" and "I'll keep you satisfied". Even he will end up saying "You Never Give me Your Money". So "This Boy" says "Goodbye"

Ah well... Can't be arsed with any more, but you get me drift!

Brian Waring
217 Posted 05/04/2013 at 13:06:10
Surely there is no way BK is going to offer Phil Neville the same wages as Moyes?
Daniel Lawrence
220 Posted 05/04/2013 at 13:41:48
Brian, Neville's already on about the same as Moyes now!
Paul Ellam
224 Posted 05/04/2013 at 14:09:54
Moyes will stay
Eugene Ruane
237 Posted 05/04/2013 at 14:40:56
Steve King (206) - Re Lennon, "Not a nice character either"

Go on, I'm interested.

(nb: not that I'd really give a shite if he could give us good football, but you make a claim that suggests you have something specific on the man and I'm curious).

Steve Edwards
304 Posted 05/04/2013 at 18:43:37
Lennon is a nasty piece of work, a thug made good, god forbid we get him.
Mark Frere
305 Posted 05/04/2013 at 17:38:48
Walter Smith could be good this time, especially with BK running the club so much better then that Johnson fella.
Eugene Ruane
309 Posted 05/04/2013 at 18:55:31
Steve Edwards (304) - "Lennon is a nasty piece of work, a thug made good, god forbid we get him"

Not disputing this (yet), just think a statement like that needs a little...more.

What I mean is you (I'm guessing) would be outraged if something similar were said about you with no evidence to back it up.

John Gee
314 Posted 05/04/2013 at 19:01:48
Eugene, you do follow football don't you? I'd like to see what you would write if Lennon, after a bad display resulting in a draw at home turned round and told a bunch of fans to fuck off at Goodison.

We've got a good manager who acts with dignity and treats people with respect. Lennon would be a huge step down from that.

Andy Crooks
315 Posted 05/04/2013 at 18:53:44
Eugene, sadly Lennon's biggest drawback is his appearance. Now, that's pretty shallow I accept, but he strikes me as the sort of guy that will take a bit of time to warm to. What I know for a fact is that he is a strong character.

He chose to play for Northern Ireland and was subject to huge abuse because he came from what was perceived as the wrong background. He has had death threats and was abused by home fans as an international. Frankly, he is not diplomatic and a times has been his own worst enemy but he has something about him that I admire.

He has made some very fine signings as Celtic manager and his advancement of Celtic in the Champion's league was a superb and under rated achievement.Imagine Everton playing against, say, Sc**thorpe every week and then having to turn out against Barcelona.I have defended Walter Smith and I will defend Neil Lennon for exactly the same reasons.

He wouldn't be my choice but he'd be a hell of an improvement than promoting from within . As far as good football goes, Eugene, I just don't know. Good football against Ross County is easy but in the Champion's League both Smith and Lennon have of necessity been pragmatic. His appointment would be a risk that I'd rather we didn't take but that has nothing to do with the man.

John Keating
318 Posted 05/04/2013 at 19:13:08
Good things about Lennon is that his own man and won't take any shite.
It'd be great to see him give Bill one hell of a slagging first lie out of Bills mouth - most likely 2nd day.
Doesn't suffer fools or arsehole players who think they're bigger than the team.
Bad thing about Lennon - he's got dandruff
Kevin Tully
324 Posted 05/04/2013 at 19:10:58
Requirements that are "must haves" on any new manger's C.V.

1. A recognised trophy or League win either here or abroad.

2. Ability to attract players because of reputation, and has an intimate knowledge of players from Europe who can represent excellent value for money.

3. No respect whatsoever for the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal or Man U.

4. A guarantee to play entertaining football.

5. Give young players a chance if good enough - if they are not up to scratch, do not keep them warming the bench for years - Duffy, Velios.

Nathan Jones
325 Posted 05/04/2013 at 19:19:26
I personally hope and prey that Moyes stays. But would completely understand if he left. He has done fantadtic for us and may want a new challenge, we have been best of the rest for a while now and without cash the next step is near impossible.

As for next please god not Lennon. Martinez? I just don't know, if he is so good why are Wigan where they are? Moyes took us from bottom 6 to top six with a similar budgets to wigans. So why hasn't Martinez done the same ?

My personal bet, but not sure about choice, would be Martin o Neil. Ticks all the boxes.....

Barry Lambert
327 Posted 05/04/2013 at 19:04:58
I personally believe Moyes will stay. Should he leave, I would like to see Martinez given a crack. If we think Moysey has had to make a silk purse out of the proverbial sow's ear, then spare a thought for Martinez.

The fact that he has managed to keep them in the Premier League is a minor miracle. He is a breath of fresh air amongst a very smoggy atmosphere of pocket-liners with inflated egos. Magnanimous in defeat and gracious in victory (even though pretty rare). As for Lennon, you are joking.

Has anyone given a thought to O'Niell? Has he lost the ability to manage at the top level? I'm not so sure...

Eugene Ruane
338 Posted 05/04/2013 at 19:39:26
John Gee (314) - Yes I 'follow football', relax - no need to be so defensive.

I'm just (genuinely) curious to know specifically how the man has transgressed.

He told Celtic fans to fuck off?

Incredible!

Where and when did it happen?

I remembr a minor falling out over a 'FUCK UEFA' banner a while back but I didn't hear about 'a whole bunch of fans' being told to fuck off.

Still think 'thug' would be harsh though.

John Gee
342 Posted 05/04/2013 at 19:56:11
Eugene, I think you're reading too much emotion in to my post. Do you give personalities to your collection of porcelain dolls too? You know they're just ornaments right?

Lennon is a circus act. Some his fault, some the fault of others. There is no emotional (there you go Eugene!) link between him and everton, his credentials are debatable, his temperament suspect and there are many candidates in a buyers Market. So why bother?

Phil Brown
344 Posted 05/04/2013 at 20:07:01
Nathan #325 Martinez has kept Wigan in the Premiership for the last three seasons against the odds including beating Man United - What exactly did Moyes achieve at Preston? Why are so many people scared of change? There's a load of good managers out there wanting to prove themselves.
Nick Entwistle
346 Posted 05/04/2013 at 20:12:02
Phil, Came in and saved them from relegation, then came 5th, then won the division (a trophy some don't like to admit he's got on his CV), then came 4th in the Championship.

Martinez has done a Houdini act each and every season at Wigan and taken them below the standards set by Bruce and Jewell. If he were something special he'd at least have them 11th or 12th, but no.

Shane Corcoran
347 Posted 05/04/2013 at 20:16:44
Such a pile of shite from a lot of you.

Thankfully Andy Crooks has given an accurate balanced view of things.

Lennon is Celtic through and through and that, combined with being a young manager at a huge club, meant his emotions lead him astray in his first year or two. He was completely out of order at times no doubt.

But he has accepted he made mistakes, has clearly learned from them (clear to anyone that bothered to follow him) and is one of the few clubs to not only beat Barcelona this season but come within a minute or so of getting a draw in the Nou Camp.

His eye for a player would be most welcome at Everton too. Look at Wanyama, Ki, Forster etc.

Brendan McLaughlin
348 Posted 05/04/2013 at 20:11:56
Phil #344
Wigan have been an established Premiership team for a several years now so simply avoiding relegation is hardly "against the odds". The reality, however, is that Martinez hasn't significantly improved them.
Eugene Ruane
350 Posted 05/04/2013 at 20:14:26
John Gee (342) - I asked a couple of simple questions to a claim you had made about Lennon's behaviour towards Celtic supporters.

I asked 'where and when?"

Your response..

"Eugene, I think you're reading too much emotion in to my post. Do you give personalities to your collection of porcelain dolls too? You know they're just ornaments right? Lennon is a circus act. Some his fault, some the fault of others. There is no emotional (there you go Eugene!) link between him and everton, his credentials are debatable, his temperament suspect and there are many candidates in a buyers Market. So why bother?"

Yes...Thanks for that.

Was expecting something more along the lines of 'Kilmarnock (a) - May 2nd 2011' but...if that's your best you can do then...well...um..nobody can do any better than their best.

Aidy Dews
356 Posted 05/04/2013 at 20:31:57
I watch a fair bit of Celtic as there my Scottish team (everyone as a Scottish team, don't they?) and Lennon to me isn't that good or ready for the Prem yet.

Don't get me wrong, he's had some brilliant results and performances in the Champions League but when it comes to the bread and butter of their domestic league, they have faltered!

Good managers can get their players up for games like Ross County away just as much as they would for Barcelona at a packed Celtic Park; I saw the Celtic vs Ross County game in an Irish bar in Tenerife straight after our Wigan FA Cup game debacle and they let a 2-goal lead slip and weren't that great!.

They've even had poor results and performances against the likes of St Mirren. A league where they're the only team who are head and shoulders above the rest, they should be walking it in my eyes and that isn't the case.

I just don't think Lennon would be right for us. For me, someone like Solskjaer, Poyet or Martinez would fit the bill. Thats IF Moyesy even leaves?!

John Gee
361 Posted 05/04/2013 at 20:46:38
Why don't you just google it? I can't remember the exact date but I heard a rumour it was Kilmarnock away 2 May 2011.
Eugene Ruane
368 Posted 05/04/2013 at 20:59:57
John Gee (361) - I ask because I DID google it.

In the little box, I wrote - 'Lennon tells Celtic fans to fuck off"

It just gave me a load of links on the Celtic fans 'Fuck Uefa' banner and the fans response to Lennon's remarks that he was 'impressed they had spelt it right'.

Still it's obvious that, for some reason, you are reticent to back up your story, so I'll pursue it no further.

I actually take my hat off to you - some would be worried that offering so little in response to a reasonable request, might make them appear a bar-room blowhard who just sprays unsubstantiated shite onto message boards and then gets all eggy when asked to give any detail.

But obviously not you - good on you!

John Gee
373 Posted 05/04/2013 at 21:17:33
Eugene, there is no reason to be defensive. Maybe you should just relax. ;-)
Jamie Crowley
380 Posted 05/04/2013 at 21:16:29
I'd love Lennon at Everton if Moyes leaves.He's got a never say die, I will do whatever it takes run through you approach. He instills confidence in his players. He's gotten Celtic progressively younger. He has re-worked a team and built one in a few years that is damn good.

He has them playing it primarily on the deck, pass and move pretty stuff. He made it out of the Champions League group stages. He'll put up with no shit whatsoever from anyone, including not being a lackey to BK.

If Moyes goes, no problem whatsoever with this. I'd love it.

Lennon's passion is contagious. Personally I'd be over the moon.

Not gonna happen, but over the moon.

Jamie Crowley
387 Posted 05/04/2013 at 21:30:46
Andy Crooks:

You say that Lennon has been pragmatic re CL football, and I understand what you are saying but respectfully disagree albeit slightly.

Smith played awful, backs to the wall, park the bus 4-5-1 defensive garbage. Lennon, in the Juve game at home for example, does try to get them to keep it on the deck. They played exceedingly well in that game and generally the score line was incredibly unfair.

I personally thought they outplayed Juve and were caught on the break with a CB who made two awful errors and had basically just gotten off a plane from AFCON who shouldn't have been in the side – something that you could (being balanced) criticize Lennon for.

Against Barca, Celtic did play defensive and counter, but I don't think it was the anti-football you constantly and continually saw a Smith team employ. They were going up arguably the best side ever who holds the ball like no other team in the world. 99% of teams would have to employ the same tactic.

Pragmatic? Maybe. But to put him in with Smith is, IMO, way, way off base. Two completely different approaches, even in the "big" games.

Gareth Davies
404 Posted 05/04/2013 at 22:09:50
I just googled Lennon swears at Celtic fans, and guess what? Yes John, lots and lots of entries where Lennon swears at Celtic fans!! Just amazing what you can find if you have an inkling of ability and an understanding of how and why things work.

I'm not a fan of his and would hate him to be our manager. No other explanation needed, is there?

Lewis Barclay
405 Posted 05/04/2013 at 22:21:11
FFS - Martin O'Neill vs Lennon.

I'd take MO any day of the week.

I'd probably take John Lennon over the other Lennon too

Ross Edwards
406 Posted 05/04/2013 at 22:21:11
Not Lennon as manager please. He looks a nasty piece of work and is stumbling towards a title he should have won weeks ago. I would prefer Martinez or Rijkaard in, but not Lennon.
Gavin Ramejkis
408 Posted 05/04/2013 at 22:23:02
Lennon has form for escalating the sectarianism between Celtic and Rangers, the guy is an idiot, an adult response would be to reduce and defuse the arguments not escalate them, a big no thanks
Kevin Day
434 Posted 05/04/2013 at 23:29:54
Gavin,

Would you feel the same about Lennon if he stoked the fires between us and the RS, really getting under their skin and going to anfield getting the win like he did at rangers?

Bob Parrington
437 Posted 05/04/2013 at 23:32:52
Moyes will stay. Lennon will not come. He is useless anyway. Now he's losing the edge of his speed he looks spent.

Always liked Martin O'Neil but his success record is not so high, is it?

Bob Parrington
439 Posted 05/04/2013 at 23:37:19
Moyes to Schalke. Can you imagine this in his Scottish accent>

Hey, Budgie! Durch die mitte, nicht ausser, dumkopf!,

Doubt he'd think about moving over the channel.

Brendan McLaughlin
443 Posted 05/04/2013 at 23:38:26
Yeah Bob #437
Red haired, Irish & early 40's...v...dark, still in his 20's...how could you not confuse the two? Err...which Martin O'Neill...
Eugene Ruane
447 Posted 05/04/2013 at 23:57:40
Gareth - "I just googled Lennon swears at Celtic fans, and guess what? Yes John, lots and lots of entrys where Lennon swears at Celtic fans!! Just amazing what you can find if you have an incling of ability and an understanding of how and why things work. Not a fan of his and would hate him to be our manager. No other explanation needed , is there?"

And yet (still!) nobody can say when and where.

Very odd.

You say "Just amazing what you can find if you have an incling of ability and an understanding of how and why things work"

Hmmm...yeah that attempt at sarcasm would look a lot better if you had an inkling of how to spell inkling

(and a horse with a pen in it's hoof would have got closer to 'entries' than you did)

Tip: Try getting the smart-arse balance right - at the moment it's all arse, no smart.

Tony J Williams
455 Posted 06/04/2013 at 00:21:08
November 2012 during defeat by Inverness....
John Daley
457 Posted 06/04/2013 at 01:22:46
Don't know about Lennon telling Celtic fans to "fuck off", "get to shite" etc but he's apparently about to get his knuckles rapped for being a sarcy twat to an opposing player:

'Neil Lennon is facing a three-match touchline ban after television microphones picked up the Celtic manager swearing at St Mirren's Jim Goodwin on Sunday.

Lennon was clearly being sarcastic in his comments to Goodwin following the midfielder's strong challenge on Celtic's Dylan McGeouch. The Northern Irishman was heard to say: "Well done Jim, you're a fucking hard man, eh? You fucking fanny."

Now I wouldn't want him as manager...but...it would almost be worth it if such cutting character analysis was unleashed every game as an audible 'extra'. "Oh aye Stevie, you're a living legend you are, aren't you? Moon faced twat." "Chin up Louis lad, you're a role model to all young kids. A shining example of soortsmanship. You swarthy young Steptoe looking motherfucker".

John Gee
458 Posted 06/04/2013 at 01:34:26
John Daley, I stand corrected. I want to hear the sky cameras pick up "hey creasehead knocked up any more teenagers? Glassed any more DJ's?"

Lennon for manager! But just for the derby matches!

Kevin Day
472 Posted 06/04/2013 at 08:09:58
I do not understand the calls for Martin o Neil I really don't, couldn't get above us when at villa, and had a bundle of cash to spend, couldn't get Sunderland out of a relegation battle, again with money to spend, Martin o Neil at Everton would be a disaster.
As it stands, with the current board we already have the best manager for the job. Until such a time comes when the board do one and we get some money, that's when we can really see David Moyes's credentials, and he should be given the chance IF we ever got a takeover, until such time, getting rid of Moyes now will see us fall down the table and the RS will rub their hands with glee at our demise.
Steve Pugh
474 Posted 06/04/2013 at 08:31:32
Everyone seems to agree that Lennon would take no crap from BK. What makes you think BK would employ him then? Seems to me that people panic without thinking.

As for the Spanish Waiter, he is the perfect example of why trophies do not a good manager make. Comes into a club with an established team, wins a trophy or two in the first year before dragging the team down. Did it to Liverpool now doing it to Chelsea.

Nathan Jones
476 Posted 06/04/2013 at 08:39:48
I agree with Kevin days comments about Martin I Neil. I brought his name up because I don't rate Lennon and I'm Dubois about Martinez. But here is the scary thought, for all the Moyes haters, who do they think can do better ?
Tony J Williams
481 Posted 06/04/2013 at 08:57:25
Why would O'Neill come here? He jibbed Villa because the money dried up.......here he would need a reservoir full of water just to get into the region of "dried up"

Fuck me Nathan, that's pretty strong.....you're Dubois about Martinez? Well I never!

Nathan Jones
519 Posted 06/04/2013 at 11:36:34
People follow the least line of resistance. O Neil would come here because there is no where else, we would take him because there is no one else, with out taking a gamble.

I think that Martinez will end up with the other great managers in the making, Paul Jewell , Owen coyle.......

I just don't see what he has done or how he has improved Wigan.

But then I also predicted that Alan shearer was an absolute waste of money when he went to Blackburn for 3.3m

Nathan Jones
520 Posted 06/04/2013 at 11:36:34
People follow the least line of resistance. O Neil would come here because there is no where else, we would take him because there is no one else, with out taking a gamble.

I think that Martinez will end up with the other great managers in the making, Paul Jewell , Owen coyle.......

I just don't see what he has done or how he has improved Wigan.

But then I also predicted that Alan shearer was an absolute waste of money when he went to Blackburn for 3.3m

Kevin Tully
539 Posted 06/04/2013 at 13:22:57
Steve Pugh- "trophies do not a good manager make."

Is there any way I can un-read that post?

Eugene Ruane
540 Posted 06/04/2013 at 13:30:34
Kevin - Cheers!

First laugh out loud of the day.

Eric Myles
547 Posted 06/04/2013 at 14:06:50
Kevin, you have to read the whole of Steve's post to get the right context.

He's saying the FSW won trophies with the team he inherited from Houlier but then went on to ruin the club by bad management.

How I wish he'd never left them, they'd be a league below us by now, never mind a place below.

Kevin Tully
548 Posted 06/04/2013 at 14:19:37
You're both right Eric - What a rubbish manger ;

Benítez was appointed coach of Valencia and he proved himself to be amongst the top Spanish managers by winning La Liga in the 2001–02 season—Don Balón and El País named him Manager of the Year.

In 2004, another league title and a UEFA Cup victory were added.
Benítez was a high achiever in his first season as he guided Liverpool to victory in the UEFA Champions League, the highest honour in European club football.

He also won the FA Cup in 2006 and reached the 2007 Champions League Final, but remained unable to win the Premier League, with Liverpool's best performance under Benítez a second place finish in 2008–09. He parted company with Liverpool in June.

The players he brought into Liverpool are now mostly playing for Real & Barca.

Are you drunk?

Eric Myles
555 Posted 06/04/2013 at 14:32:41
Kevin, unfortunately the RS don't play in the Spanish League where FSW might have done well in an easier competition.

But in England he took Houliers team to a CL final, squeeking though qualifying and the group stage on goal difference, and got the tactics so badly wrong the team were 3-0 down at half time. By some miracle they scored 3 goals in 6 minutes and hung on while being completely outplayed to win on penalties.

In 2006 RS won an FA Cup, again on penalties, against a team that were relegated already and failed to win anything else at his time there while nearly bankrupting the club. His only claim to fame really being reaching a CL final they should never have reached (remember the ghost goal?) after again having narrowly squeeked through qualifying and group stages.

But Wikipedia conveniently forgets the facts though doesn't it? although you didn't copy and paste the part from there about his time at Milan where he really proved what a good manager he is and where he will be fondly remembered?

And considering that he had a squad of 67 at RS, I really don't believe you when you say most of them are now at Real or Barca.

To paraphrase Winston Churchill, I may be drunk but you're.......................

Kevin Tully
557 Posted 06/04/2013 at 15:14:56
Eric, let's pray our next manager is as "lucky" eh?

Eric Myles
558 Posted 06/04/2013 at 15:14:10
Kevin

Real Squad http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/real-madrid/kader/verein_418.html

Barca Squad http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/fc-barcelona/kader-zunkunft/verein_131.html

"The players he brought into Liverpool are now mostly playing for Real & Barca."

4? 4 players that's your definition of MOSTLY from a squad of 67?? and I can't even be bothered to check if those 4 were bought by FSW or by Houlier.

Eric Myles
560 Posted 06/04/2013 at 15:24:40
What do you think about his luck at Inter of Chelsea Kevin?

Or more a case of 'true colours'?

Kevin Tully
575 Posted 06/04/2013 at 16:29:52
2 Spanish League titles, Uefa Cup, Champions League winner, Champions League runner-up, FA Cup – does not a good manager make.

I would hate to see what that makes Mr Moyes....

Tony Twist
582 Posted 06/04/2013 at 16:40:50
I wouldn't be too disappointed with the Spanish Waiter taking over. I think he knows how to prepare sides to beat the opposition. He is streets ahead of Lennon. O'Neill would be a reasonable choice but I feel he is too similar to Moyes.

I think we need to try a continental style of coach, hopefully improving the quality of play whilst keeping hold of the team spirit that Moyes has developed. I hate saying it but I would prefer Benitez to Martinez.

Eric Myles
595 Posted 06/04/2013 at 17:19:26
Kevin, you didn't mention his resounding success at Inter????

Tony, he actually prepares sides to stifle the opposition not to beat them.

Kevin Tully
598 Posted 06/04/2013 at 17:30:11
Sorry Eric, I am not clear on what your point is. I think you agreed with the comment that trophies do not necessarily mean you are a good manager? Then you go on to agree with Steve that Benitez is a good example of this?

If I am right, and you agree with Steve, I really could not go any further with this, but thanks.

Tony Twist
599 Posted 06/04/2013 at 17:38:25
Fair comment, Eric, though he seems to have a pretty good record beating teams in knockout competitions.
Eric Myles
600 Posted 06/04/2013 at 17:42:32
Don't worry Kevin, I realised a long time ago you didn't have a scooby.
Mike Green
582 Posted 10/04/2013 at 00:30:10
Imagine.
Paul Andrews
789 Posted 11/04/2013 at 10:51:08
Moyes to Schalke,Lennon to Everton?
Neither.
David will without a doubt sign his IMPROVED contract.
"I realise what I have here........I have unfinished business....I work for a fantastic chairman"
All bollocks about waiting to see what budget he has before signing.I would wager any amount he does not spend what he brings in transfer outgoings.
That is before we consider the massive rise in tv money.
Eric Myles
883 Posted 11/04/2013 at 16:32:15
Paul, that's a really safe bet considering he has never been allowed to spend the money that he brings in due to our chairman having to beg the banks not to kill us and giving them their pound of flesh from every transfer deal.
Paul Andrews
890 Posted 11/04/2013 at 16:48:29
Precisely Eric,
My point is that it has not stopped him signing his contract in the past.
He knows full well that Billy Liar will not give him a substantial transfer fund,but will still sign.
Fellaini money = £22 million
Other outgoings = ????
Extra TV money = £ 23 million circa
Probably £50 million approx coming into the club.
I would be surprised if he got more than £12 million to spend

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