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Colin Williams
1 Posted 24/11/2013 at 17:40:58
Paul, your ratings for the lads are way off!!! Howard, lucky to get a 5, Distin, lucky to get a 4.

Barry, McCarthy, Mirallas, Pienaar, Barkley were all 8/9s, they were diff class.

Lukaku minus his goals was very poor a 5 at best.

Osman a 7???? He was on around three min's. You gave Osman a 7!!! And you give McCarthy a 6!! Who played 90 mins and was different Class! Get a grip!!!

Dick Fearon
2 Posted 24/11/2013 at 18:45:48
Apart from his goals he was poor eh'.
The same was famously said about Fred Pickering just after he scored a hatrick.
If Lukaku was that kind of poor in every game from now to seasons end we could win the league.
Brent Stephens
3 Posted 24/11/2013 at 19:37:13
Pickering was the biggest carthorse I ever saw! What a contrast with Alex Young. Don't remember much of him after his 3-goal wonder on joining us.
Brent Stephens
4 Posted 24/11/2013 at 19:45:34
Shit! Just realised that Pickering actually scored 56 goals in 97 games! Just shows you how bad he looked! Or how bad my, erm, memory is!
Frank Duffy
5 Posted 24/11/2013 at 20:34:17
Brent, Pickering was Everton's top goalscorer for a couple of seasons in the '60s. He also played for England. Not a bad player.
Jamie Sweet
6 Posted 24/11/2013 at 21:04:00
I need to watch the game again with a bit more of a calm head on, but I think most of our players could have decent shouts for MotM.

Barkley was sensational at times. McCarthy bossed the middle of the park. Pienaar was well up for it with bags of energy and good link-up play. Mirallas came alive. Lukaku bagged 2 and could have had 5. Delboy caused havoc. Jags and Distin kept SewerRat mostly quiet.

The fact that the main man for Liverpool was their keeper tells a story.

Cracking game. Gutted we didn't hold on, but hugely proud of what I saw out there. Credit to Martinez for sending us out there with all guns blazing.

Dick Fearon
7 Posted 24/11/2013 at 21:53:44
Brent I am glad you checked on Freds great goal scoring record.
He was a hugely succesful goal scorer, probably our best in that department post war. He was a less than useless ball player, despite his large frame he was not very good in the air and Leon Osman was faster than him.
At his previous club Blackburn Rovers, Fred had only recently been converted to centre forward from his usual position as full back. Signed by us for (I think) $80,000 and when he arrived we were going through a goal famine.
Built like a brick dunny with legs like tree trunks his greatest and probably only real ability was a tremendous accurate shot with both feet. For such a big fellow he could get that shot away with little back lift.
A leg injury cut short his career and after a long recuperation never quite regained full fitness and opted for a transfer to Birmingham City.
His illustrious Everton career was brief and I am dissapointed yet not surprised that modern fans know little about our goal scoring wonder.
Phil Friedman
8 Posted 24/11/2013 at 22:43:32
Lukaku a 6...really? For me, if a guy scores two goals, he could sit on the touchline and have a pint for the entire game if he out it down occassionally and scored. What are you smoking?
Tony Doran
9 Posted 24/11/2013 at 23:44:45
Having Roy Kean as new asistant at Ireland will be great for Coleman McCarthy and Duffy. Kean described McCarthy as being like himself which is a good boost for his confidence and I think he is going to be a cracking little player for us in the future.
Steve Carter
10 Posted 25/11/2013 at 02:45:36
I'd have preferred it if Everton had won, and both Liverpool and football had lost, though, Paul.

Top comment, Phil Friedman. I wouldn't mind if he had fag or two either.

Tim Greeley
11 Posted 25/11/2013 at 03:20:52
I would hope a ginormous Belgian could hoist down more than one pint on the sidelines over 90 minutes......whilst still popping up for two goals.
David Cornmell
12 Posted 25/11/2013 at 03:11:59
How the hell did we not win that game? We battered them, played them off the park in the second half and couldnt put them away. Disappointing.
Paul Ferry
13 Posted 25/11/2013 at 03:49:13
Jeez, Paul... McCarthy 6?!?!

Come back on here and explain which game you were watching!
Steve Pugh
14 Posted 25/11/2013 at 12:13:54
Colin #936, Howard lucky to get a 5, the one handed save of a point blank Suarez was worth more than that alone. Howard made 2 outstanding saves in that game,which are easily equivalent to Lukaku's 2 goals. Depending on your point of view Howard was responsible for their second, costing us one goal. Lukaku missed three one on ones, costing us three goals.

So who was worth more?

And to make it clear I agree with Phil #051, 2 goals from a striker is a good performance, I just wish people would understand that stopping a goal is equally as important as scoring a goal.

James Stewart
15 Posted 25/11/2013 at 12:50:14
Bizarre ratings
Peter Norris
17 Posted 25/11/2013 at 13:07:58
Paul re your comments: "So my only regret is that Suarez wasn't injured from Mirallas's tackle. It was well worth the booking"

That's poor mate from an Evertonian — no matter what we think of the sewer rate I thought Evertonians were known for their fairness. At the end of the day, he's a world class player with shit antics which no Evertonian would condone. But to suggest deliberate injury is in poor taste mate.

Carl Taylor
18 Posted 25/11/2013 at 12:52:18
I know football is a game of opinions but seriously, what game were some people watching? A half-fit Suarez had the measure of Distin all game. Jagielka is back to his best after an awful start to the season whilst, for the first time in years, we stood toe to toe with Stevie Guilty and I feel won the midfield battle.

However, Pienaar was awful and SuperKev was inconsistent. Barkley had a great game, but I expect more from Lukaku, which sounds ridiculous when he scored two. His strength disappointed me at times. The Spanish Kid just annoys me, a luxury we don't seem to be able to afford in most games. Right that's off my chest, bring on Stoke with 3 at the back?!!

Jamie Sweet
19 Posted 25/11/2013 at 20:45:42
What game were you watching Carl? Pienaar was awful in the Palace game, maybe you were watching that one. I thought after that game that I wouldn't mind if he never wore the shirt again - but I thought he was terrific on Saturday, particularly in the first half.
Harold Matthews
20 Posted 26/11/2013 at 00:46:52
Yeah . what game were you watching Carl. Pienaar had a fine game and, apart from the one mistake, Distin was my MotM. Made the most tackles, the most headers, and covered for Jags, Coleman, Barry, Baines.....everyone in our half. In fact, at one point, he cut out an attack when positioned halfway up our right wing. Watched the match again this afternoon and he was everywhere.

Nice report Paul. Ratings pretty good also.

Paul Ferry
21 Posted 26/11/2013 at 01:59:46
Harold you old duffer you and someone who nearly always talks sense but Paul's ratings are not 'pretty good' - McCarthy is the biggest sin but there are others - but I agree 100 per cent about Pienaar, he was not quite near his best but dear Lord it was a fine impression.
Scott Jones
22 Posted 26/11/2013 at 18:00:07
McCarthy impresses me more every time I see him. what is he 21? It's a shame that players like james don't get recognised by a small section of the support,simply because they don't glide past two men or ping fifty yard passes.

McCarthy seems to have a calm head when in possession,he just does it simple,which at times can be a hard thing to do. his closing down is top-notch as well.

I can't think of a similar player of his age I would swap him for? Very underrated young man.

Harold Matthews
23 Posted 26/11/2013 at 19:06:09
Paul (Rock) Ferry. Couldn't resist it Paul. I've been dying to do it for ages. Hoylake appears to be my final destination....with no complaints but, Rock Ferry will always be the centre of my universe. It's where I collected shrapnel in the war, rushed to Air-raid shelters and played kick the can.

Had another look at the above ratings. McCarthy 6 Hmmm. Have to agree with you . He was worth more than that but the inadequate rating is understandable. It's actually something we discussed soon after he arrived. The lad is almost invisible. Everyone else is dead easy to pick out but McCarthy does many things which are not noticed, Even by the commentator. I suggested he got himself a big haircut and one of the other members suggested a luminous tache. Do you have any ideas? Your well known creative imagination might well come up with a useful solution.

Jamie Sweet
24 Posted 27/11/2013 at 01:15:36
Harold... maybe he should wear black boots. He'd stand out a mile amongst all the neon and pink!
Robbie Shields
25 Posted 27/11/2013 at 07:47:20
Tony #54, funny enough, I said a month or so ago that McCarthy reminded me of a young Roy Keane, and one of the usual anti-Martinez pro Moyes brigade gave it the old FFS! Glad to see that Roy himself thinks that, perhaps I'm not as thick as some think :) and perhaps some are as thick as I think ;)
Paul Ferry
26 Posted 28/11/2013 at 02:42:21
Great post Harold - 458 - always love your memories of where we live and you are right about JM, so much goes unnoticed, but I've now got into the habit of keeping an eye on him, a little like Jo Parky who however was more physical. JM might be really something special in say three years time when we on here we all sing happy birthday to you on your 81st, I bet you feel 61!
Harold Matthews
27 Posted 28/11/2013 at 04:35:10
Cheers Paul. Don't know if I'll make 80, never mind 81. Bit late to pack up the rollies. If I do make it much of the credit will go to our new manager and his gradual process of building a squad to compete with the best. In three years time we should be pretty hot and I wouldn't want to miss it.

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