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Dick Brady
1 Posted 06/07/2014 at 20:12:56
What your statistics prove is teams like Crystal Palace, Leicester and West Brom have so far spent nothing but who cares?

Everton are a Top 5 Premier League team and if we want to stay that way and maybe even go higher we have to follow the example of the teams around us.

Chelsea (€71M), Liverpool (€48M), Man City (€15M) and Man Utd (€73.5M) are all spending to improve their squads while we have done nothing.

But no that’s not true, we haven’t done nothing, we have actually lost three of our best players (Barry, Lukaku, Deulofeu).

So while our rivals have already so far spent a combined €207.5 (and counting) strengthening their squads we have spent nothing and lost three of our better players.

I’m not panicking because I trust Roberto to work wonders but I am beginning to get slightly worried.

Paul Andrews
2 Posted 06/07/2014 at 20:28:34
Doomed,we are doomed.

Looking at the list all our transfer targets have already gone.

Patrick Murphy
3 Posted 06/07/2014 at 21:13:16
Dick, you are right to say that Everton are an established top 6 to 8 club.

Now I would love to be able to welcome the superstar players to Goodison in August but it isn’t going to happen. Those clubs you so easily dismiss are the types of clubs we have to try and compete with and if possible coax their better players to join us.

The reason Kenwright will leave it to the last possible moment are two-fold: firstly, there are obviously players such as Lukaku and Barry who Martinez wants to keep and he will bide his time for as long as is practical in order to attain them, but I’m sure he has back-up targets if he can’t capture them.

Secondly, BK knows that the bargains come and opportunities arise later in the window when players realise their dream moves might not happen and look to the next best option to further their careers.

Martinez’s situation is no different to that of all of our managers in the Premier League era. As you are such a devoted supporter, I would have thought that the penny may have dropped by now.

The last two January windows is where the club has let the fans down, because there was a genuine chance of reaching the Champions League in both seasons and a bit of speculation then may well have returned handsome dividends, but at this moment in time the chances of Everton FC achieving the Champions League have diminished; even if we went out and spent £50M, I personally don’t think it would be enough to break that glass ceiling. That doesn’t mean that Everton FC can’t make the Champions League – just that the probability is a lot less today than it has been in the past two seasons.

Daniel Lawrence
4 Posted 06/07/2014 at 23:27:33
Unfortunately what the article doesn’t take into account is the history of the last seven years of transfer windows whereby this board has systematically failed to back it’s manager.

What’s the odds on us having a negative spend in this one? Fairly high I imagine....

Ant Dwyer
5 Posted 07/07/2014 at 01:50:44
Yeah I agree with most of the above, feeling slightly anxious as I’m starting to think it will be a case of our usual. No vast amount of money to spend, maybe £10/15M tops. Pretty shit really as we have had ourselves in and around the top 6 for the last 5/10 years. I can’t help but feel Bobby won’t last too many more seasons chasing rainbows at a cash-strapped club.
Duncan McDine
6 Posted 07/07/2014 at 06:07:08
This time last year we were all getting excited due to the very unusual situation of three permanent signings and one loan coming in very early. In reality, only one of those players made any kind of positive impact on our season, and it turned out to be the one we had to give back!!!

Let's not be surprised if only one or two happen before the season starts. It's going to be another nail-biting deadline day, me finks!

Matt Traynor
7 Posted 07/07/2014 at 06:53:00
Duncan #6, we need to also bear in mind that we had 3 winnable games, away at 2 promoted sides, and home to WBA, last season. We won none, and after the flurry of transfer activity on deadline day, our season kick-started into life in game #4.

I would be concerned that without reinforcements our first 3 games this season may yield a similar, or worse return which may impact on our transfer activity.

Last season we handicapped ourselves with leaving it so late, and compounded it in January. I had hoped we wouldn’t make the same mistakes but all the utterances so far suggest it’s de rigueur now at Everton.

Kieran Fitzgerald
8 Posted 07/07/2014 at 08:31:18
Pre-season training is due to start soon. Let’s give Martinez a couple of weeks to assess what he has in the young players. If some of them are ready to become senior players then this means we have more flexibility with how we spend our transfer budget. Why spend cash now if we don’t need to.

We are all wanting to see the younger players promoted. Why the panic to see players brought in ahead of them. I want to see the squad developed as much as anyone but why not do so with the younger players who are ready.

Dan McKie
9 Posted 07/07/2014 at 08:37:06
Couldn’t really care less what the likes of Hull, Palace, Leicester etc. are doing, and I doubt Everton will be neither. The worry, as mentioned above, are the teams that we are chasing, (and had a fair bit of catching up to do before this window) have all strengthened significantly and look likely to carry on doing so.

Everton have gone the other way. We have lost two key players from last season, and one that played a decent enough cameo, and so far, any signings look way off. We can’t even get a deal done for ’free agent’ Barry.

Now Roberto is back, hopefully we will see some action, and obviously the signings the other clubs have made are no guarantee of success, but I can understand the worry. Right now, we look light years behind at least five clubs in our league.

Andrew Ellams
10 Posted 07/07/2014 at 08:42:30
With the exception of Fabregas, Costa and Fernando, all of the large amounts spent so far have been hugely overpriced. If we get Lukaku for around £20M when Man Utd paid £30M for an 18-year-old left back and Liverpool paid £25M for an overrated midfielder, the we definitely get the best deal.
Ray Robinson
12 Posted 07/07/2014 at 08:59:58
Wayne, you’ve listed a number of teams who’ve spent nothing but they have at least signed some players on freebies. The trouble with our squad at the moment is that we’ve barely enough players to cope with the Premier League let alone the Europa League / improve the overall quality of personnel.

Our squad of established players includes Kone and Oviedo who will be back from long term, serious injuries and who may never reach their previous levels, arguably also Gibson and Pienaar. If you exclude Robles who can’t play at the same time as Howard, Hibbert who barely played last season and Alcaraz who is injury prone, we’re really down to the bare bones.

Gosh, there’s some buying / loaning to do! It can’t all be done at the last minute!

Sam Hoare
13 Posted 07/07/2014 at 09:25:38
If this article was meant to be calming then I think it has failed! I didn’t quite realise how many players other clubs have already bought in. I’d be pretty happy to have Newcastle’s transfers at this point with Colback and De Jong both good players. As it is are we the only Premier League club who has brought in no-one?

Of course it’s early days yet but one would hope that Martinez would bring in at least a couple of players before pre-season starts. Let’s hope the next few weeks will be busier than the last few.

Chris James
14 Posted 07/07/2014 at 09:19:57
I don’t think that we need to panic just yet, but we should be concerned that we’ve done absolutely no business, especially when some of the deals are comparatively simple (eg, Barry).

Liverpool are setting a much better example in terms of activity, obviously they’re going to sell Suarez which is less than ideal for them but, they’ve already got Lallana, Lambert and Can in and seem to have Lovren, Origi and Markovic are lined up.

The point is less about whether these are players that could/should interest us or even about the volume (Liverpool have more money than us we need to deal with it), but more the fact that it demonstrates that business can be done easily World Cup or not (several of these are/were playing in said tournament).

In terms of specific players, the one that may raise questions would be Origi who based on the World Cup at least has looked like a better, younger, hungrier striking option than Lukaku and seems to be available at half (or less) the going rate.

Dan McKie
15 Posted 07/07/2014 at 10:22:30
Chris, Origi played 40 times for Lille, scoring 6 goals. Lukaku has managed 15+ in the Premier League for the last 2 years. Pure World Cup hype over the former. He wouldn’t have got a look in had Benteke been fit.
Karl Parsons
16 Posted 07/07/2014 at 10:24:02
I don’t think panic is the right word, more frustration.

Simple housekeeping would suggest stalling the likes of Barry’s move would save the club £500k in Summer (wasted) wages, which I get. But maybe the club should be conscious that we need to signal our intent more positively, which would do two things in my mind:

1. Satisfy the club’s following with a clear implementation plan. This could stimulate more positive debate, raise morale and encourage additional season ticket sales and commercial spending as a result;

2. Make more agents aware of our ambitions. This could attract better calibre players who may not have considered us as an option because we didn’t look positive enough.

I too trust Roberto, I just hope he has not had any wool pulled over his eyes from a board that, one way or another, have managed to survive intact.

Onward Evertonians...

Shane Corcoran
17 Posted 07/07/2014 at 10:47:14
Dan, you point out World Cup hype over Origi but do you think that Liverpool are basing their purchase on either hype or the stas you’ve quoted?

I’d say there’s a much better chance that they’ve actually scouted him and looked to sign him based on his actual ability and potential.

Andrew Ellams
18 Posted 07/07/2014 at 11:04:02
Shane, there is always somebody who ends up with a lemon based on World Cup hype and the neighbours do have history with El Hadj Diouf.
Dan McKie
19 Posted 07/07/2014 at 11:05:00
Like they did with El-Hadji Diouf?

Personally, I thought Origi looked ok when coming on as sub, but did even less than Lukaku when he started games.

Alex Carry
20 Posted 07/07/2014 at 11:11:15
I think Hibbert is past it at this stage, he’s not a top-class right-back and I think it’s a poor decision having him on the payroll when I can see Martinez letting Stones fill in if Coleman is injured and bringing Garbutt to the first team which would make more sense.

As far as other transfers, one decent CB a solid CM, a nippy winger and a block of a CF like Lukaku and I’d be happy. If we got Deufoleu on a loan again, I would take arm and all, and signing Barry is pivotal

Shane Corcoran
21 Posted 07/07/2014 at 11:25:58
Like they do with every player. The alternative being what? That they looked him up on Wiki?
Wayne Stamps
22 Posted 07/07/2014 at 11:24:39
Cast your minds back 12 months. Tottenham about to sell Bale made £100 million of incoming transfers. Panic transfers to mitigate the loss of their star player to appease their supporters.

What happened to Tottenham? Two managers sacked and behind... Oh! — us in the league.

Signing a player is not just for Christmas, you have to live with that for three, four or even five years. I can honestly say I would not sign any of the players except Fernando.

Liverpool may well do a Tottenham and go backwards rapidly; remember, like Bale, Suarez is the glue that holds them together.

Sam Hoare
23 Posted 07/07/2014 at 11:45:35
I think it's safe to say that no player in today’s world of stats, recordings and player diagnostics will get bought solely on the basis of a good World Cup showing.

If he hasn’t been extensively scouted previously, then all of his senior games will have been watched and stats poured over.

Carl Peters
24 Posted 07/07/2014 at 11:45:28
Why all the sudden hope that we are going to start bringing in top class players, even on loan? Which I hate, mainly because, at the end of the season, they leave... but what has changed over the last 12 years or even during Kenwright’s rein?

Alright, we have a new manager with great vision and ideas but, while this buffoon of a chairman and his totally fucking useless board remain, don’t expect anything else to change.

We will probably bring another two or three loans in and probably a mediocre signing, with lying arse pocketing the rest of the money, and if you expect anything else then you’re a fool.

Lenny Kingman
25 Posted 07/07/2014 at 12:11:32
Well if he had been scouted and analysed by the reds then maybe they should reconsider after his less than impressive World cup.

He’s only 19 but was selected to play in a World cup quarter final for Belgium. And he produced nothing.

Personally, I hope they sign him.

Andrew Ellams
26 Posted 07/07/2014 at 12:35:10
I think everybody gets excited at the thought of any young Belgian players. They have some genuine talent but if this lad is so close to being their number one striker then they are still short in a lot of areas.
Paul Withe
27 Posted 07/07/2014 at 12:59:20
They can have Origi. His record is poor and watching him it’s clear that he is lightning quick, but his finishing is erratic and I don’t see much to worry about. Markovic may well prove to be top player though. The rest - they’re just doing a Spurs and there is no doubt that losing Suarez will hurt them.

As for us, I am slightly twitchy but do trust in RM to know what he is doing. If anyone he wanted was going somewhere else, he’d have been in for them I think, and even then you can’t compete with Champions League teams realistically.

There will be loans and hopefully a top striker signing, but why we haven’t yet signed Barry is starting to concern me..

Aiden Doyle
28 Posted 07/07/2014 at 14:39:01
How great would it be if Barcelona sat back and watched Liverpool spend the Suarez money – and then pulled out of the transfer?
Carl Peters
29 Posted 07/07/2014 at 14:31:45
Paul @27 — because Kenwright fucked up when we took him on loan last year, as they agreed to pay Man City £2M if he stayed on permanently.

He can go anywhere he likes on a free... apart from Everton, who have to give City £2M for the player, but Bollocky Bill no longer wants the agreed deal to stand and wants to welch – that's the only reason, as far as I can see, that we haven't signed him.

Can you think of another?

Jay Harris
30 Posted 07/07/2014 at 15:18:21
Personally speaking Aiden I cant wait to see Suarez out of the Prem and preferably out of football altogether.
Patrick Murphy
31 Posted 07/07/2014 at 16:47:58
Three years ago to the day and things don't appear to be any different do they?

Without Risk We Cannot Improve

Brian Harrison
32 Posted 07/07/2014 at 17:14:34
Although RM did warn us that we would go right to the wire on deadline day before we completed our transfer business. Now is that because we don't have the money to compete with most of our rivals and will have to hope that some players who thought they were guaranteed a move to a Champions League club will have to lessen their ambition.

I think the other thing that I am sure RM has taken into account is that this is probably the last season that we will see Pienaar, Osman and Distin as regular starters, so replacements will have to be found for these three who when fit started practically every game.

Wayne Smyth
33 Posted 07/07/2014 at 17:27:55
Brian, I think you are correct about us having to wait for others to make their moves.

It will be for a few reasons.

For players of Lukaku's calibre, it will be to wait for Europe's top clubs to ignore him, giving us a chance to sign him.

For players of lesser quality, we will wait for the big teams to make their signings so that we can see what is available. For example, Cleverly may well end up surplus to requirements soon, especially if Van Gaal signs more centre mids.

Only a handful of players of the required quality who we can compete for have actually gone elsewhere. Gauld, Lescott and a few others. We can only assume Martinez isn't actually interested in those players. Looking through the list of other signings, I wouldn't have any of them.

To be honest, I can see where frustration could arise; I'd love to see us sign some players too. However I remember two things which keep me calm:

1) We have one of the best managers around in charge.
2) Our manager isn't giving off any negative waves in terms of his transfer budget or BK. In fact he signed an extended contract!

Every season we get out-spent. I've got used to it; it's not going to change. While the manager is good and the board give him the stability to work I don't see that situation changing.

Wayne Smyth
34 Posted 07/07/2014 at 17:49:03
That last sentence of mine was wrong.

I should've said that I can see us being able to compete for top 4 each season despite being out-spent, provided we have a good manager and give him the stability to work.

Steavey Buckley
35 Posted 07/07/2014 at 18:01:31
What is so puzzling about younger players at Everton, is Roberto scouring Spain, particularly, Barcelona for their younger players to become part of Everton first team. Is that because Everton's young players are not good enough or just take much longer to develop except for Barkley?

Wayne Stamps
37 Posted 08/07/2014 at 11:47:03
Steavy 35

I do not believe that is the case, the young players are clearly on first-team trial this week, and I understand that Galloway (MK Dons) and Byrne (Man Utd) are also there on a trial to see if they are ready for first-team duties.

I think that when the first-team squad start their pre-season camp, then a number of possibles will join them.

You are right about the pace of development in Spain, but they do have the advantage of B-teams at their disposal.

Steavey Buckley
38 Posted 08/07/2014 at 12:18:07
Wayne Stamps: There are some young players at Everton destined for the first team; while others are just making up the Under-18 and Under-21 teams. But because there are not enough young players to make the first team, Roberto is scouring the overseas market, especially, the Barcelona B team for promising young players.
Tony J Williams
39 Posted 08/07/2014 at 12:44:07
Roberto said that transfers would wait until after the World Cup...it's still ongoing so nothing to worry about at the moment.

We will start worrying when Roberto can't get hold of Kenwright on the phone when asking for money for transfers.

Bill will come out on transfer deadline day with his usual bullshit of how we tried but etc etc and then sell someone at 11:59 and say that we would have bought someone with the money brought in but it simply didn't give us enough time to do so....

Oh just fuck off, transfer window!.... hate them.

Wayne Stamps
40 Posted 08/07/2014 at 12:55:22
Steavey Buckley 38

Agree entirely, thankfully it seems to be Roberto policy to build a academy system that will bring these players on.

The trouble is that these policies take time to fruition, the average
supporter, while saying bring on young players, will be building gallows if some of there unrealistic expectations are not met.

It is worth remembering Ferguson did not do anything for three or four years until his class of "92" came to the forefront.

Will we be patient with Roberto?

Well I hope so, I really believe he will take us back to the glory years.

Steavey Buckley
41 Posted 08/07/2014 at 13:21:56
Wayne Stamps: When Ferguson brought a golden age of young players into the first team, it was a time when the standard of football was much lower. Now, with so many overseas players, the standard is higher. So, if you are asking Everton fans what players they would like to see this season, their instincts would go with who they have seen at the World Cup.
Sam Hoare
42 Posted 08/07/2014 at 16:05:06
Even Fulham have splashed £11m on a striker now! It's fine. I trust in Roberto and I reckon alot of the delay is due to waiting to see how the Lukaku deal works out. I imagine that we've had a 20m bid prepared for some time and its difficult to do anything else till we know what his plans are...
Paul Andrews
43 Posted 08/07/2014 at 16:09:41
Sam,

Now that is a panic buy.

£11 million for Ross McCormack???

Andrew Ellams
44 Posted 08/07/2014 at 16:16:21
£11million between two clubs outside of the top division, that has to be some sort of record. Especially for a player who has never even played in the top division.
Patrick Murphy
45 Posted 08/07/2014 at 16:37:19
There was a time perhaps in the early 90s when you could have bought Everton FC lock stock and barrel for £10M.

The world's gone mad, even taking inflation into account.

Colin Glassar
46 Posted 08/07/2014 at 16:13:27
£11m for a championship player between two championship clubs is sick IMO. Didn't yakubu cost us the same amount from Middlesbrough? And he's our 2nd highest ever transfer fee.
Paul Andrews
47 Posted 08/07/2014 at 17:02:51
Colin,

£11 million for a Championship player... and we have some Evertonians worrying about paying £20 million for a proven 1 in 2 goalscorer.

Colin Glassar
48 Posted 08/07/2014 at 17:22:19
I know, Paul. Some of them make it sound like he'd cost £200M rather than a paltry (nowadays) £20M. Lukaku at that price would be a bargain but if Krusty the Clown won't give Man City £2M for Barry, what hope have got?
Paul Andrews
49 Posted 08/07/2014 at 17:36:29
True, Colin, very true.

Bill will wax lyrical and all will be well with the faithful.

(Or a lot of them anyway.)

Sam Hoare
50 Posted 08/07/2014 at 17:50:37
Seems a lot of money, Paul, but then he was top scorer in the Championship last season. In fact, I think he scored or assisted something like 70% of Leeds Utd's goals. Money well spent if he fires Fulham straight back to the Premier League I suppose....

Paul Andrews
51 Posted 08/07/2014 at 18:05:18
Fulham will think so Sam.

The rewards for Premier League football are enormous.

Martin Farrington
52 Posted 09/07/2014 at 12:09:10
Mushrooms are us!!! Yet again, with the new season looming and less and less coming out of BK's mouth – even less out of his pocket – it's the same old, same old.

In response to Wayne's thread – your article frightens the shit out of me.

I believe there is every reason to panic and here's why:–

[1] We are all blue-blooded and passionate about this wonderful club. So can we be seriously, regularly and justifiably querying BK's lack of investment every pre-season transfer window? Let's face it, Billy Liar is a past master at it. He serves the same cold dish every year.

However, will the signing of 33-year-old Gareth Barry on a 3-year contract (plus at least £1m to Man City) have Bill in a sweat and keep the fans muted?
This pre-season charade and pantomime our impresario regularly performs is nothing new. It's frustrating and a wild card lottery to what the man will actually attain in the way of players for the forthcoming season's battle.

The press have about as much idea as he does – little to none.

[2] The loss of quality key players in Lukaku and Deulofeu is deeply concerning. The latter is certainly not coming back whilst the former openly states he wants Champions League football at a big club. That's us instantly dismissed... Or is it ? Can Magic Martinez persuade the lumbering giant the best place at this stage in his career is here at the biggest club outside of the Champions League?

As such, Mr Kenwright needs to spend massive on one player and we all know he does not like that one bit. The last was Shrek – Bill made a tidy profit on him – and he proved to be no loss.

On quality, I would like to trust Roberto (although the next point is somewhat at odds with this statement). We need it desperately.

[3] The failures of the Wigan contingent. Only one out of four players purchased from Wigan has justified his fee and wage: McCarthy (who has still massive bags of potential). This coming season, we'll find out if he can make that step up.

The other 3 should be sold pronto. Cut our losses and be done with them. Their quality is insufficient for inclusion in the squad.

[4] The first team and squad shortages compared to other clubs is vast. But that again is nothing new. However, shunting the young bloods in as Wayne has done in his article holds no substance. None of them have proven anything throughout their formative years and all have failed to impact when given a chance (albeit limited). To throw them in as replacements for experience and quality is foolhardy at best. It's not like they have won anything at youth level or even internationally at Under-21, Under-17 or lower!

Of our first team, Gibson is so injury-prone he's unlikely to see a month through. If injuries hit others we are stuffed! Particularly at centre-half. Pienaar has sadly failed to produce anything whatsoever post Spurs. Oviedo seemed to be getting better when tragedy struck. Ozzy's ... well, Ozzy and, although loyal like Hibbo, should only be a squad man.

So, with the attacking strength of Naismith and Mirallas supported by the only few quality players we have, we should be done and dusted and out of everything fairly promptly.
UNLESS BILL KENWRIGHT SERIOUSLY SPENDS!!!

Wayne Stamps
53 Posted 09/07/2014 at 14:19:07
Martin 51

I appreciate what you say; if we lived in a world where Everton could compete on the same as every club, and we had £50M+ to spend on two world class players, every year, I would join in the shout of "get some money spent".

However, the possibility of Everton being able to spend big for big name players is not realistic.

Man Utd have just signed a kit deal for £75M per year. Three of their sponsorships bring in £143M per year. I understand that is more than the gate receipts of 17 Premier League clubs.

We can only hope to compete by finding young players on a conveyer belt basis. In a long and fortunate life, I have learned that nothing is fair, especially if you are a Everton supporter.


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