The Dithering is Disturbing...

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Is anybody else starting to get really worried now that Moyes still hasn't made a signing at United? It's either bonafide evidence that the man is a dithering, hesitant unsure leader... but the fact is he has had probably since Christmas to line up his transfer targets in his head. And I fear they are inevitably wearing Everton shirts at this moment.

As if Fabregras is a realistic target. To me it reads, sorry Everton I tried to get somebody else in but it didn't happen, thanks for Fellaini and how are you Bainesy? It's going to happen isn't it. That would knock the wind right out of my sails right now.

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Iain Johnston
359 Posted 06/08/2013 at 12:21:15
Robbie 356, Man Utd haven't signed anyone yet because no one world class wants to play for him.
Stephen Coles
360 Posted 06/08/2013 at 12:19:16
No, Robbie, I am not at all worried about Moyes not signing anyone at Man Utd. Even if he tries to sign Baines and Fellaini, he will probably just dither over it on the last day of the transfer window and miss out, as he did so many times for us.
Peter Jamieson
361 Posted 06/08/2013 at 12:32:59
Robbie, I wouldn't relax until the day after the transfer window ends and Fellaini and Baines are still here.

At the moment, Man Utd have signed no-one, and will likely lose Rooney. On the plus side, if they are desparate to sign one or both of them they will have to throw stupid money at it. but as usual it will too late for us to use.

Iain also has a great point. I agree, I don't the big names will be impressed by Moyes.

I don't wish him any ill will, but he will struggle at United. If he had joined United back in the 80s then yes, maube he could have handled it then. But they are too big now. I think he and Round are out of their depth.

Colin McBride
363 Posted 06/08/2013 at 12:58:06
On a slightly different note, anyone know if there was a sell on clause in Rooney's transfer to Man Utd? Are we due anything if he gets sold on for 30 mill?
Colin Glassar
365 Posted 06/08/2013 at 12:59:38
Robbie stop worrying. After OFM's epic fail in the TM I doubt even Gueye would want to sign for him. Rooney has smelt the coffee and wants away, I wouldn't be surprised if RVP puts in a transfer request in December.
Colin Glassar
367 Posted 06/08/2013 at 13:10:46
Are you sure, Martin? I read a few years ago that we received our last 500k for appearances or something. I hope I'm wrong as every penny helps.
Kev Johnson
368 Posted 06/08/2013 at 13:25:39
My understanding is that we get 25% of anything over the 26.5m we sold him. So if Chelsea buy him for 30m then we get (consults abacus) 875,000. Better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick, but a drop in the ocean in terms of our finances.
Harold Matthews
401 Posted 06/08/2013 at 15:06:41
Could be right Robbie. United have just been messing about with half-hearted decoy transfer bids.
Mark Tanton
406 Posted 06/08/2013 at 15:21:09
It is very interesting that Man Utd are performing like Everton in the transfer market, despite having far more money. The common fact is Moyes, but perhaps that's over-simplistic and harsh. If he wants Baines or Fellaini he'd better pay big money and he'd better do it sooner rather than later.
Kevin Tully
413 Posted 06/08/2013 at 15:20:12
Even if we sold both Fellaini & Baines tomorrow - who would we buy?

Let's face it, most decent players who are looking for a move have been snapped up by now.

You also have to consider we are not in Europe either, so another negative for any big names considering our club as their next destination.

At this point, I would much rather we kept Baines & Fellaini, but I think we will be left with no choice but to sell one or the other, selling both this late on would be a disaster for all concerned.

Derek Knox
423 Posted 06/08/2013 at 15:37:03
The only way the dithering will affect us is if they come for Fellaini, before last orders in the Last Chance saloon and we don't have time to reinforce, (assuming we haven't brought anyone in before that possibility) which could happen!
There is always a last minute scramble,just hope we are not too involved detrimentally!
Colin Glassar
427 Posted 06/08/2013 at 15:46:20
Felli's buy out clause ends tomorrow doesn't it? Or is it next week? If OFM comes in after that he'd better be prepared to bend over and get...... Oh wait, BK will probably sell him to his darling David for about 10m plus add ons.
Barry Rathbone
431 Posted 06/08/2013 at 15:09:35
Completely mystified, I would think the easiest task of any Utd manager would be signing players.

Names few knew beyond their native countries used to turn up under Fergie and do well (Ronaldo etc), wonder where that list has gone?

Probably going for a marque signing but Baines, Fellaini even Fabregas don't fit that bill.

Add the Rooney saga and little wonder his defence is up already - "We (utd) have a strong squad anyway..." - the fans arrogance is too great there Davy boy, sugar coating second best won't wash.

Personally speaking I suspect Martinez sees a 50% rebuild to move us on and if it means Felli and Baines going lets get on with it (as long as RM gets the cash).

With Oviedo and the other young lads showing well plus incoming players it's better RM bites the bullet and builds a team in his own image asap.

Peter Warren
433 Posted 06/08/2013 at 15:53:40
It's pure laziness to say there's little talent out there to replace Fellaini and Baines. Every year people unearth gems that nobody has heard of - I'm sure RM is aware of probability of one if not two going and has people in mind
Kevin Tully
437 Posted 06/08/2013 at 15:59:29
Peter, It's fine identifying players - no problem.

Getting them to sign, and all the shit that goes with it is the problem. (agents, wages, no C.L. football, etc)

If we sell anyone in the last week of the window - panic buys help no-one except the selling club. Especially if the selling club know you have 40m in your arse pocket, and are desperate to replace your two best players.

Chris Ashton
440 Posted 06/08/2013 at 16:06:05
The funny thing about the Ushited problems right now is it is going to push the heat right up on Davie if they do not start well. Think about it, when this all came out there was talk of the board going out and signing Ronaldo/Bale to deliever a marquee signing to get Moyes going. 10 days before the start and it seems like Moyes is promoting the kids as their new signings. The fans who are used to all these decent players signing each summer and since they changed manager they have done the opposite, just like being at Everton!
Chris Ashton
441 Posted 06/08/2013 at 16:06:05
The funny thing about the Ushited problems right now is it is going to push the heat right up on Davie if they do not start well. Think about it, when this all came out there was talk of the board going out and signing Ronaldo/Bale to deliever a marquee signing to get Moyes going. 10 days before the start and it seems like Moyes is promoting the kids as their new signings. The fans who are used to all these decent players signing each summer and since they changed manager they have done the opposite, just like being at Everton!
Raymond Fox
442 Posted 06/08/2013 at 15:53:13
I understand your concerns Robbie, but thers naff all we can do about it.

RM will be aware of what might happen too, it illustrates the advantage of having money to spend as against our manager who is forced to sell before he can spend.
I think Fellaini would go no question, Leighton I think will stay, but I wouldn't bet a fortune on it, mind!

I've been impressed with Oviedo in the games so far, he looks a 1st class replacement for Baines, not saying he's as good, but its a waste sat on the bench.

Cant think of anyone at the club now who could immediately step into Fellaini's shoes, any ideas?

David S Shaw
444 Posted 06/08/2013 at 16:15:57
When he signed players for Everton late on in the transfer window, I blamed Kenwright for not releasing funds early, perhaps I was wrong
Shane Corcoran
449 Posted 06/08/2013 at 16:23:02
I can't sleep with the worrying.
Richard Reeves
455 Posted 06/08/2013 at 16:25:55
If he comes in with a last minute bid for Fellaini or Baines after being told at the beginning that he had unlimited funds then he will be exposed again for the hypocrite he is and the one person that benefits from this would be Kenright,mthe very person who did these kind of things to him.

If it happens then he should know how we feel when they visit us.
Robbie Muldoon
456 Posted 06/08/2013 at 16:43:21
The feel good factor is so good at the moment, we have just held our own against two of the world's top sides, beating Real Madrid in the second half whilst we were at it, its just an ominous feeling I think all Evertonians are now raised on - what's going to fuck us up now? Because personally I think Martinez has decided he wants to keep Fellaini and Baines at all costs and any transfer of the two will be a major disruption to our start of the season... made worse by any last minute snide moves by Dithering (or Deceitful?) Davey.
Robbie Muldoon
457 Posted 06/08/2013 at 16:58:00
Nice title by the way TW! Ha
Tony J Williams
458 Posted 06/08/2013 at 16:53:31
Haven't even thought about it to be honest. Nothing to do with us.

Looking around, Chelsea, City, Arsenal and Spuds haven't really got that many in yet either. The most any team has brought in is City with 3.

The surge will come soon though, just before the start of the season and the end of the window.

Kevin Tully
463 Posted 06/08/2013 at 17:15:09
Check this out Tony - Spurs have spent 58m & City near 100m.

Arsenal fans have got steam coming out of their ears at the moment, quite funny. Hope they get sewer rat just to see the shite cry. I also want Rooney to go to Chelsea, just to annoy the Mancs.

http://www.soccernews.com/soccer-transfers/english-premier-league-transfers/

Wayne Smyth
464 Posted 06/08/2013 at 17:21:10
Not worried at all. I'd rather they go to be honest, especially Fellaini.

Baines is a superb player, but will we lose him for a pittance next year or the year after?

Fellaini is great on his day, but too inconsistent.

I think Martinez can do better with the 40M he'd get for the pair, plus the 7.5M / season freed up in wages, given his knowledge of the spanish transfer market.

Patrick Murphy
466 Posted 06/08/2013 at 17:22:20
Sewer Rat is apparently injured at the moment and won't be able to play the club's pre-season tour of Norway, I'm sure all those Kopites will be totally miffed that the Rat won't be appearing in front of his home fans.
Tony Marsh
483 Posted 06/08/2013 at 18:11:11
Dithering Dave is finding out the hard way about life at the top. When Europe's elite managers get the big jobs, the players follow them no matter what. Mourhino would've had four in by now at Man Utd. Moyes cant' keep his best player that's the difference. Moyes isn't a top coach and his man-management skills are shite.

The only thing we should be concerned with now as regards to Man Utd is if we are due any Bunce from the Rooney sale. I am sure 20% sell-on was mentioned all them years ago when Rooney was sold.

Just been on Talksport that 35 million would seal the deal for Wayno. Be a nice little windfall for us if we are due. Does anyone know for sure if we are getting a Brown Envelope or not?

Ross Edwards
502 Posted 06/08/2013 at 18:51:22
Who cares quite frankly about what he is doing?
Ross Edwards
536 Posted 06/08/2013 at 19:46:04
Man Utd fans going ballistic on Twitter. There are rumours doing the rounds that Moyes is after Osman!

Naismith and Anichebe as well please Davey!

Phil Walling
540 Posted 06/08/2013 at 19:26:18
OFM might just as well give the fees he spends on Felli and Baines direct to Wigan.Because that`s where most of the money will end up.

Two myopic managers who can`t see further than their last club !

Raymond Fox
547 Posted 06/08/2013 at 20:08:40
Phil, change the record.
Steve Bell
552 Posted 06/08/2013 at 20:09:16
Getting worried about OFM? Er who he? Er no.
Paul Andrews
555 Posted 06/08/2013 at 20:13:35
The draw specialist is about to strike again.
Vidic man of the match.

David Hallwood
558 Posted 06/08/2013 at 20:13:51
Conspiracy theory#1: OFM was given the job because ManYoo are a s skint as us, and as Everton has a tradition of being in for top players, especially 3 weeks after they've signed for someone else (Shearer anyone?), OFM is used to coming out with we're in for Fabregas, Ronaldo ( ) please insert a name in the space supplied, but will end up with a couple of loans and a former 'the new Pele' who has lost his way due to injury/drink/drugs/women/religion/all of the above.

Remember skint is relative

Ross Edwards
562 Posted 06/08/2013 at 20:24:00
If Man U were as skint as us David, they'd probably have Tony Pulis in charge now.
Patrick Murphy
569 Posted 06/08/2013 at 20:32:10
Ross he'll be in charge at OT in January 2014 with Peter Reid as his able assistant, maybe not!

Ross Edwards
572 Posted 06/08/2013 at 20:35:19
Or Phil Brown Patrick.
Andy Crooks
590 Posted 06/08/2013 at 21:15:39
Moyes should be irrelevant but he isn't. I anticipate that over the coming season he will provide some wonderful opportunities to gloat at Man Utd supporters, particularly those who condescendingly advised us to be grateful for him. Enjoy him. He'll ensure your Premier League survival for years to come.
Ross Edwards
591 Posted 06/08/2013 at 21:23:37
Well, he'll certainly win a few Championships Andy...
Andrew Bone
709 Posted 07/08/2013 at 07:59:23
Talksport had a guardian journalist on just now. He was stating that fellaini won't be signed in replacement for a failed fabregas deal, but more as an addition. He also felt that Moyes had waited until after the minimum release fee as Moyes feels he can get him on the cheap - which the journalist felt was rubbish.

Now I have several feelings on this. Out of principle and in the light of the ridiculous apology from man utd, I would not sell any players to man utd while Moyes is in charge. We ultimately own the contract and have the final say in sales.

On the other hand, if Moyes comes in, the price should go up quickly to allow us to rebuild. I love Gaines but would not begrudge him a shot in the CL, and given his age we could invest the money wisely before his value drops. Fellaini is replaceable but we need top dollar, and to be honest, is he really going to fit a short pass and move game?

Lastly, I have a feeling this season will be consolidation under Martinez with the opportunity to bring on the younger players like stones, barkley etc.

Interesting times ahead.

Mark Tanton
714 Posted 07/08/2013 at 08:22:49
Interesting that point about waiting for the clause to elapse has been raised today Andrew after quite a heated debate about that on here.
Colin Glassar
719 Posted 07/08/2013 at 08:33:54
The cracks are beginning to show. I watched his news conference yesterday and the strain is beginning to show on his face. If Wigan win the charity shield I can't see him lasting beyond November, December.
Simon Harris
724 Posted 07/08/2013 at 09:00:26
Colin 719 - you maybe right or maybe it was the same old prickly Moyes news conference.

Like us UTD will have to be patient, as a number of fans from both clubs will naturally be sceptical of a new man reaching the heights of the previous manager.

Obviously the pressure will be significantly higher over at OT so RM should get longer to prove if he can cut it from fans and board alike.

Max Wilson
725 Posted 07/08/2013 at 09:13:10
I could not give a shit about Moyes. All I`m thinking about is our crap displays against any quality side we`ve played in the run up and the dithering with players we have already found wanting last season.

It is not looking good, now, is it Toffees?

John Ford
731 Posted 07/08/2013 at 09:26:03
Yeh Moyes was only ever about survival....... Beam me up!
Peter Bourke
735 Posted 07/08/2013 at 09:33:35
@ Raymond Fox 547.
Here Here, talk about a one trick pony.
Bobby Thomas
743 Posted 07/08/2013 at 09:32:53
Andrew 709, nails it indicating that this season will be transition. And thats before any of the big players leave.

If one or both leaves it will only exacerbate the already massive upheaval in coaching staff and playing style.

I can handle an indifferent start as the team adapt to a new way of playing and am actually expecting us to give away some dodgy goals at the beginning, ranging from giving the ball away in poor areas, to being caught on the break or just plain disorganisation. No doubt some will paint this as a doomsday scenario, which it wont be.

But it will be much more difficult if we lose one or both of the main lads. Baines would be a massive loss and as a defensive and attaacking unit we would need to readjust, it would again take time as others take on the repsonsibility.

The Fellaini bid appears inevitable, however im all for getting around 20 million for any holding player, we could do a lot of good with that and get the energetic, ball playing midfielder with legs that we need as well as another holder. If Fellaini goes we will definitely need 2 in the mid as Rodwell was never replaced in the squad and Phil Neville has retired.

If we lose both before the window it makes the start of the season a difficult one, especially in mid as we are already light in mid and there and the incoming player/s would need to adapt. Oviedo is different as at least he knows the drill here and has been through pre season with Martinez.

We have to drive a hard bargain. We must stand our ground. We have been walked over by United. It has to end and its paramount we show strength and self respect to the footballing world.

Tony Marsh
753 Posted 07/08/2013 at 10:13:55
It's on GOT that Everton will recieve a 25% sell-on fee of any deal involving Wayne Rooney. The current asking price is 35 milliion and rising. This is serious money for us yet it's not being discussed. It's almost as much as Moyes offered for Baines. Can anyone confirm if this is true?

I am licking my lips with anticipation as to what Roberto would do with this huge sum. Please let it be true. If Bainsey and Fellaini do go, added to the Rooney money, it is a massive amount for our club. Enough for a push for 4th place.

Robbie Muldoon
766 Posted 07/08/2013 at 10:50:17
Bobby Thomas #743, well said lad.

Manchester United have taken the piss out of us and they know it. Now that the slimey arrogant Moyes is trying to steal Fellaini on the cheap we should try and regain some dignity and stand firm over a transfer fee. It's a wWorld Cup year, if Fellaini does well next summer we will be able to command an astronomical fee from Europe's top clubs.

If we lose Baines, well it will feel worse than anybody since Rooney. I hope we can keep hold of him.

John Gee
774 Posted 07/08/2013 at 11:21:24
Robbie (766), great point. I can see Belgium having a great world cup which will push the value up of their players.

Also, why is there no speculation regarding Mirallas? It's strange that nobody seems to want a super fast, skilful proven premier league goal scoring winger. I in no way want him to go but I would have thought he'd be top of a lot of lists.

Spragg Johnson
778 Posted 07/08/2013 at 11:44:04
My prediction is that Fellaini will go to Manure (25 mill) but Baines will stay. James McCarthy and Tom Ince will come in for around 12 and 8 mill apiece. 5 mill for BK to use to keep the banks at bay for a few more months!
Eugene Ruane
783 Posted 07/08/2013 at 12:04:34
"God knows...God knows I want to break free!"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQICZx-CEAEdZxn.jpg:large

Who knows, maybe Moyes will put in a bid and surprise us all.

(if he went to Utd, I'd die laughing).

Harry Wallace
809 Posted 07/08/2013 at 14:07:39
Why should I be worrying about Man Utd? I only think about Everton... And perhaps Welsh clubs.
Anthony Flack
852 Posted 07/08/2013 at 12:52:33
Swap Fellaini for Rooney great move for both players...
Colin Glassar
991 Posted 07/08/2013 at 19:02:47
We should put in a cheeky bid for Bale e.g. 2m plus Gueye.
Ross Edwards
032 Posted 07/08/2013 at 21:07:10
Throw Naismith into the mix Col and Levy will have a deal!
Richard Reeves
241 Posted 08/08/2013 at 12:04:19
There have been times at previous Everton press conference's where I've thought Moyes is going to get up and twat someone, this at a club where there has been little expectation or pressure in recent years, so how will he cope this coming season? As much as I want him to fail and as much as I have lost what remaining respect I had for him, I don't like to see any half-decent person break. We could witness a Kevin Keegan moment this season.
Robbie Muldoon
254 Posted 08/08/2013 at 12:29:33
Tony Marsh, bollocks mate... if we lose both players that will harm our push for 4th. We won't be able to replace that amount of quality lost in one go.
Paul Burns
305 Posted 08/08/2013 at 15:40:33
Can't believe anyone could find even one tiny benefit in selling Leighton Baines.
He's one of the world's best players in his position. Why would you sell?
Some right bollocks spouted on here.
Colin Glassar
358 Posted 08/08/2013 at 18:38:16
I don't think Bainsey will want to play for a manager who will be out of a job by Xmas.
Patrick Murphy
360 Posted 08/08/2013 at 18:41:59
Colin Is RM going to be sacked at Christmas? :-)
Colin Glassar
421 Posted 08/08/2013 at 21:06:09
Patrick you devil, you know I'm talking about OFM.
Dan Hollingworth
584 Posted 09/08/2013 at 12:59:45
Spragg Johnson @ 778

I would be devastated if we spent 8Mil on Tom Ince, I went to Preston Vs Blackpool on Monday night and he was woeful. I think 8 Million is for his surname. Not his ability.

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