'Deal was done months before the announcement'
The Mirror are reporting that Manchester United have issued a written apology to Everton over the way they went about securing the services of David Moyes. The report claims that the issue has caused a considerable rift between the clubs, and is being presented as the reason behind Toffees' determination to hold on to Leighton Baines.
David Maddock writes that "Goodison chiefs are still furious at the way they were treated by the champions over their pursuit of Sir Alex Ferguson's successor" and that "Old Trafford officials have said sorry in an attempt to diffuse the row, which threatened to escalate into a full-scale complaint to the Premier League".
Moyes — by his own admission — was approached by the club months before any official announcement of his appointment which might explain his evasive responses when asked about renewing his contract at Goodison and support The Mirror's claims that Everton were also annoyed when United revealed the Scot would replace Ferguson almost three weeks before the end of last season.
The Old Trafford club have already had a reported £12M bid for Baines rejected and though Everton are not welcoming further bids, media outlets continue to speculate that an increased offer is forthcoming.
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022 Posted 02/08/2013 at 12:48:23
024 Posted 02/08/2013 at 12:54:20
025 Posted 02/08/2013 at 12:52:56
* Here's where he said that: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10164585/David-Moyes-reveals-the-moment-he-got-the-call-from-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-and-how-he-worried-about-wearing-jeans.html
026 Posted 02/08/2013 at 12:55:36
I for one would laugh so loud if it all went tits up for DM with them!!
027 Posted 02/08/2013 at 12:55:56
028 Posted 02/08/2013 at 12:54:37
What a way to run a club.
029 Posted 02/08/2013 at 12:55:35
031 Posted 02/08/2013 at 12:57:48
033 Posted 02/08/2013 at 12:55:00
No compensation for Moyes... all planed out...
I hate Moyes and I hate Man Utd.
034 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:02:11
035 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:01:19
For me, this was done before the draw for the quarter finals of the cup and that was back in February. I really believe it all goes back that far and that deals were done then. All the rest was a typical Kenwrong production.
036 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:01:50
COYB! Let's have some of Bertos sexy football.
037 Posted 02/08/2013 at 12:56:13
I believe we are in a new and exciting transition, which is already showing in our style of play, although it is early days yet!
039 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:03:33
Moyes was tapped up and we were due at the very least an unequivocal apology.
Baines's transfer bid was derisory and an insult for a player of his status and calibre.
That does not mean an apology would make us accept a £12.5M bid does it? For me, I wouldn't want him to go at all so anything south of £20M would be a non-starter.
040 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:05:16
We should be doing everything we can to keep Baines and Fellaini because it means we have a stronger team with them here, not to get revenge on Man Utd. We need to get a new improved deal on the table for Baines so he can make his decisions. The sooner this is settled the better!
041 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:06:24
That's if he's still in a job by then. I am going to put a tenner on Giggs being in charge by the end of the season though.
042 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:01:20
Come the third game of the season I hope the shite rip them a new arse.
Moyes was complicit in this and we knew it from the outset, now the truth is out his worshipers will see him for what he is, a man who strung us along with his excusues for not signing a new contract.
I'm not arsed about him showing disrespect to the board but he could have been honest with the fans.
Utd are a shower of shitbags and they deserve each other IMO. Slap a 30 million price tag on LB and don't move on it.
I hope he bombs big time...
045 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:10:22
Wayne - where is it in black and white? I was a critic of Moyes and am thrilled he's gone and Roberto has come in. Nevertheless, this report proves nothing.
If we could catch a crafty glimpse of Man U's apology letter then we'd be in the know. As it is, we're no wiser. As I understand it, they're are apologising for messing us about in the last few games of the season. Also, shouldn't they have approached BK rather than offering the job directly to DM?
My gut instinct tells me this DM WAS lined up months in advance and shortly after RM was tipped the wink he was favourite for the Goodison job, but where is the evidence? I haven't seen any.
047 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:19:51
048 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:14:24
050 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:20:18
057 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:25:51
He's got red hair
He did not care
Davey Davey Moyes
059 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:28:51
Unless the Mancs approached him before that date, I'm not sure what they've done to piss Everton off apart from announcing it before the end of the season.
But if this has been motivated by their desire to acquire Baines, we should dig our heels further.
And Moyes has now been totally unveiled as a self-serving prick who strung us along.
I hope he fails. Good riddance.
060 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:31:43
My faith in him has been shaken and I kind of hope he has a poor time at Man Utd now. (Karma an' all that!)
061 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:33:06
'I hope he is a great success at Utd, he deserves it' being one of the more memorable posts.
064 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:41:03
070 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:46:24
I wanted RM as manager as soon as they humbed us in the cup last season. I'm not deluded to think that Moyes would turn Man Utd down but his comments since leaving seem to be having a pop at Everton (particularly his comment about the will to win even in training at United).
As I've said before, who was the one who started every season with his 40 points mantra and against any serious opposition played the 'Li'l ole Everton" card? I'm afraid Moyes that you were the one who put it into the players' heads that they were underdogs and punching above their weight.
Do I think Moyes was good for Everton? Yes; Am I sad that he is gone? Absolutely not. Am I looking forward to Everton under RM? Can't wait.
074 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:38:10
075 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:45:05
Given the position with Moyes's contract, it doesn't seem unreasonable for him to have spoken with another club. Happens in the real world. Time for everyone to grow up and move on. I don't really care whether he sinks or swims at Utd. We should thank him for bringing stability to Everton and let that be the end of it..
This apology counts for nothing in the fight to retain LB. I still suspect Fellaini will end up there
076 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:39:11
He has made the biggest mistake of his life thinking he has what it takes to follow in SAF's shoes. I tell you what did make me choke laughing was a YouTube video: 15 Things you don't know about David Moyes.
20 years ago Deadly Dave met the woman who is now his wife in a Disco Ha Ha Ha. Can you imagine that dour fucker propped up against the bar in his courdroy trousers, suedies and big woolly cardigan with leather patches on the elbows waiting pounce? Davey Travolta.... I thought it was hilarious.
So at the end of 11 years of earning top dollar at this club and getting so much support from his faithful worshipers, he knifed you all in the back. Doesn't surprise me one bit as I always knew he was a Weasel. Stick the sorry up ye arse Manc twats.
079 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:57:22
For me it started with the Chelsea final, where we should have just relaxed and gone out of sight after scoring so early instead of shutting up shop for 89 minutes.
Then the two Liverpool fuck-ups really finished it for me.
082 Posted 02/08/2013 at 13:58:29
I'm actually surprised, that anyone's surprised!
The whole conjuring trick that Moyes was paragon of integrity was transparent bullshit from the start.
085 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:02:07
088 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:03:31
090 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:03:18
I'm finding myself being very gullible lately regarding giving people the benefit of the doubt.
I mean he just came out a few weeks ago with Kev Johnson's bit above and now this.
092 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:07:44
093 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:07:43
He's gone, we have a new young enthusiastic manager with connection to Spain for deals, who gives a flying fuck what the Manc fucks are sorry for? Won't make any difference to us.
Dave Lynch, fucking shame on you...the shite deserve to get twatted every single game.
096 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:13:24
Don't make me go back and look up the story we had where the Moyes lovers disbelieved that contention....
097 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:11:06
Moyes hasn't signed anyone of note (surprise surprise) and the pressure is mounting.
Dithering Dave is going to crash and burn at United. At first I wished him luck. But now knowing how he stringed us out and the final straw of the gigantic middle finger offer for Baines of 11 mil he can seriously fuck off and I hope he fails miserably. The way he treated an 11 year loyal employer is unconscionable.
098 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:16:08
099 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:09:50
Don't you think that this stinks of UTD trying to calm the waters before offering another derisory sum for the best left back in the prem ?
Oooooh sorry, according to the ginger one he's only 2nd best !
So he can fuck off and put a bid in for Cole then. I'm gonna laugh my tits off when he bombs cos that will finish him with any other decent club.
He can then join the McCarthy's, Megson's, Southgate's of the footballing world where he belongs, or the Scottish league for that matter.
100 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:13:43
It gives me great pleasure to tell Moyes Boys – See, told you so.
101 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:18:20
103 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:04:21
104 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:17:17
The "Moyes lovers" thing is a cheap shot. I am not and never have been in that camp. It's a matter of wanting to get to the truth of the matter, that's all. So, objectively, where is the proof that it was all set up months before the announcement?
As I've already said (above), my gut feeling is that something DID go on, but that's all it is, a gut feeling. Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?
105 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:17:48
I can't help it I've battled hard with my feelings, it's just the way I feel. Anyway we will still finish above them come the end of the season.
Rest assured though, normal feelings of hatred and venom followed by Tourettes style outbursts of rage against Satan's own will be commenced as soon as the final whistle goes.
109 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:24:45
The Capitulation at Anfield. The one where the fuckin idiot gave up the game before kickoff and made 6 or so changes...
I was never the same after that game - I wanted him to get hit by a bus.
110 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:25:00
And to all those salivating at being "right" about this all along, I will be disappointed to say the very least if this is true but it's pretty sad when TW start posting about a story put out by The Mirror as if it's 100% true.
115 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:31:47
It seems a very odd thing for The Mirror to insert into this story if it wasn't true.
Or perhaps there is no letter of apology and they made up the whole thing to revive the Baines deal?
116 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:24:29
Letter or not, Baines should not be sold. Great defender who also made the most chances in Europe last season. Irreplaceable!
123 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:36:19
The most rational guess as to what it contains is an apology for announcing Moyes' appointment before the end of the season, while we still had an outside chance of qualifying for Europe. This clearly caused a problem for us.
What happened next is another matter entirely. BK mishandled it horribly. He should have put DM on gardening leave and made it clear to him that if he did anything on behalf of Man U while he was under contract with us then he was in breach of that contract and would be sued. Instead of which, well - we all know what happened....
As for the Baines angle, that is PLAINLY a newspaper invention. We don't want to sell him to Man Utd because he is our best player and we love him to bits, not because of any feud with Moyes new club.
124 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:36:21
I promise to double any donations (I mean investments) within 48 hours.
I am fully accredited with the FSA, EFC, and IMWT.
133 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:54:28
The Mirror doesn't have any quote from Moyes at all, it just states "by his own admission", unless it is in the apology letter I am more likely to believe a television interview in which he confirmed when he was offered the job than some hack filling column inches.
Enough with the childish Moyes Lovers title aswell, quiet childish.
134 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:53:13
137 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:02:58
138 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:45:53
Moyes wasn't shit. Moyes wasn't the messiah. He was...amazing though it might be...somewhere in between (almost like there are nuances beyond absolutism). He did a very good job to start, stagnated and was undermined by a conservative-leaning pragmatism.
And now he's gone. So, while the Man Utd story itself is of some interest (though it hasn't been picked up by any other major media outlet) in regard to potential impact on transfer policy, that's about it.
140 Posted 02/08/2013 at 14:55:44
He admitted it in a press interview after Ferguson had blown his cover by stating that he'd made the decision to leave at Christmas...
I can't find the link...but I will
141 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:04:20
Since when have managers been subject to the Bosman ruling which applies to players?
142 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:04:15
"Moyes - by his own admission - was approached by United months before the official announcement of his appointment£
If the Mirror hacks are lying, Moyes will surely issue a writ for libel...won't he?
143 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:07:34
150 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:10:16
All clubs do it to some degree. Everton seem particularly "poor" at it (or reactive rather than proactive if you like) but Man U are streets ahead of the rest (in this country - see Real in Spain, Milan in Italy for similar).
This particular "story" appeared on the Mirror website 24 hours ago - the day before publication in the printed copy. I read it yesterday but didn't think it would make copy - much to my surprise it was a back page opener today.
151 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:18:56
153 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:18:12
There's no need for managers to be subject to the Bosman ruling. The Bosman ruling only exists to address an unfair limitation on free labor movement that clubs had placed on players. That limitation never existed on managers who, like any other employee in any business, are allowed to move jobs outside of their contract without penalty.
157 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:13:42
Remember this time last year when Moyes started being asked about signing a new contract suddenly, no straight answer and he was mooted in the press as stating that he would like 'one day' to manage in the Bundesligue.
I personally think Moyes was looking at this point at moving on. None of us are happy about the fact we got no compensation. But although at first I wasn't overwhelmed by the appointment of RM I am now really looking forward to next season.
At the end of the day we need to keep hold of Baines and certainly not let him go for anything under 25-30 million, when you consider they're mooting £85+ mill for Bale and 40-50 million for Suarez.
158 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:22:51
162 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:08:37
Of course this deal was done months before it was announced. Anyone who thinks Man Utd dealt with the blow of Fergie leaving and assessed their shortlist then drew up a contract, sounded out the replacement, entered detailed discussions with agents and lawyers and then announced it to the media all within a few days is a fucking moron.
I bet his contract has more clauses than santa's family Xmas party. One of them being that he won't get paid up when he gets sacked (and SAF takes back over after recovering from the operation).
Hope he lands flat on his face.
168 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:18:12
I don’t see any Baines transfer being related. If he goes on the cheap it will be because he asks to go. If he doesn’t ask then Man U will have to make a bid acceptable to the club. It’ll have nothing to do with them apologising for something they’re not sorry about.
172 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:49:21
Seems good to me but I am quite shallow and can't be arsed searching for truth and morals in the financial quagmire that is the Premier League. To do so is to join King Canute paddling on the beach.
178 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:33:43
Personally I'm not bothered about this news. As a few posters have mentioned, you'd have to be pretty naive to believe that Man U didn't have this sorted at least a couple of months in advance, or come to think of it that Moyes was even their first choice.
When I posted an OP saying he was bound to go, a few weeks before it was announced, none of the MOB would believe he was going (who would take him etc...), and all the MIB responded with careful what you wish for type comments.
I can't really go in for all this shock and disgust at the way he's treated this club etc... I'm not even sure what supporters expected from him (Hari-Kari wouldn't please some), or exactly what he's done wrong. If I understand it correctly people think he should have announced he was leaving us as soon as he was approached by Man U, and then resigned. Can't think of anyone who's ever done anything like that.
The obvious downside to the way Moyes left was the fact we didn't get any compensation for him. To be fair, that's a bit embarrassing as it makes us look (reveals us as?) a bit of a shambles. In hindsight we should have got him to sign a contract, though I'm not sure how Bill would have gone about it (badly perhaps?).
I was against Martinez being appointed but he seems to be doing ok. It's not been too bad a summer so far with what look like a couple of decent recruits. Fingers crossed for the new season and all that. Not long to go now:) COYB
179 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:04:02
180 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:50:37
The Manure are now weaker than they were and I believe we are, if anything, stronger.
If this story is true then it does worry me though: they might offer us Phil Neville (was he tapped up?) as compensation.
181 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:05:16
182 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:04:17
- Yet to see this contention contravened. Why do we have a subjective relation of events in the editorial description?
And the Mirror. For fuck sake guys. Surely I don't need to explicitly state just how untrustworthy the Mirror is? they run clearly bullshit football stories practically everyday.
It's pathetic to have to watch anti-Moyes posters celebrating over a perceived victory which has no factual basis. It's embarrasing to be honest. As is the constant references to Moyes stories on this site, which I expect will continue throughout next season after Martinez win's games, and Moyes lose thems (and vice-versa).
There is no evidence Moyes knew about the job offer months before. Only suggestion. This apology likely relates to the breaking of the news prior to the end of the season.
183 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:59:36
I don't think there is a smoking gun to be found here. Of course Moyes would have thought about possibilities and even maybe had hints about ManU succession ideas beforehand because I cant imagine SAF only contemplating the future as soon as he decided he would leave, he would have done so well before.
Is it a pisser that Man U are a bigger club than us? Yes
is it a pisser that Moyes left us? No
Do we care about the timing? Only if we consider that it affected Moyes ability to manage Everton.
Did it affect Everton? We'll never really know but I think it did a bit subconsciously.
But if you consider the alternative of Moyes announces at Christmas he's leaving and the affect on our season then, I think what happened is not too bad.
Plus who cares anymore!!! Lets get the season started, batter ManU and Liverpool, watch ManU suffer under the massive change and believe in a new era for us on the pitch with more attacking football.
185 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:13:14
Moyes will be quids in when he sues the lying bastards; unless...
187 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:12:09
Do you really think we'll all be talking about Moyes once the season's started? I hope not. I imagine we'll all forget about him soon enough once the action gets going, and whichever way it goes surely what's happening to Everton on the pitch is going to be more interesting than whatever happens to Man U on the pitch. This is all a sign of football withdrawal symptoms (IMO). Will you bother looking at whatever the Man U internet site is called if Everton are top of the league/in a desperate struggle at the bottom of the table? I can't imagine there'll be too many who will.
188 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:14:17
Does anybody not think of the notion that it was an honour that our manager was chosen for that job? Now im not arsed about it personally and I think the whole thing was a set up months in advance. I ask that question as a general world of football view, afyer 26 years they chose our manager to replace the grat one.
Before you all start I don't think this personally!
190 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:22:09
And keep Baines!
191 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:12:09
192 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:24:12
198 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:34:41
How old are you???
United did us a favour,no apologies needed
201 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:43:51
202 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:21:53
What was the motivation for their timing? So Fergie got his grand tearful send off in front of the home crowd I suspect. They could have done that in the close season.
I don't remember Everton showing them that kind of arrogance in the 80s when we were top dogs and they were perennial failures.
203 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:41:55
That is the only point I have raised, pendant that I am.
204 Posted 02/08/2013 at 15:45:56
The idea ultra cautious Moyes would drift along flim flamming for 12 months without something up his sleeve is fantasy, as is the idea Kenwright wasn't in on the game.
The silence between him and Moyes during "contract - gate" was as choreographed as synchronised swimming.
Kenwright will be miffed because Utd let the cat out the bag impinging on his stage managed "Davey leaves" extravaganza - not that it mattered - the denial quotient of Moyes supporters is off the scale, the applause still rang out.
I'm with Dave Lynch, at this moment, for the first time in my life I want the RS to win a game - I've never wanted that in 55 years.
As shitty a set up as ever there was this Fergie-Moyes-Utd set up.
205 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:44:55
If the story is a lie it is easily disproved.Let Moyes sue and call Utd CEO as a witness.
After all the Moyesiah has previous for legal action.
Remember the case he brought against Rooney.
One dirty phoney lying c**t is Mr Moyes.
I posted on numerous occasions how hard it was to believe ontelligent adults could be taken in.
"I was in Manchester shopping with the wife when SIr Alex phoned and invited me to his home.I thought here we go he is going to tell me he wants one of my players,instead he informed me I was the new Utd manager"
207 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:52:32
208 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:53:17
If it comes out well and good, you can all go ape shit with excitement about how your were right.
209 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:52:07
211 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:55:38
Instead, he plays dumb, lies and then leaves.
11 years and this is his lasting legacy. What a crock of shit that man is. Keeping all of those owners secrets regarding financing over the years and then just buggering off. Can't wait to see the Pellegrini's and the Klopp's of this world run that fucking team ragged into the ground
212 Posted 02/08/2013 at 16:58:37
Haven't heard that one since my upper sixth days
213 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:02:39
214 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:05:22
215 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:00:54
216 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:05:33
219 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:07:32
I didn't see one.
220 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:09:33
221 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:14:34
I can see a statement of the bleeding obvious, but no point.
222 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:13:12
223 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:17:34
My point (the obvious bit) is that this whole story is based on something a rag printed and nothing more.
If The Mirror printed that Everton were looking to sign Paul Andrews it mightn't make the rumours page. But because this story feeds the lust to hammer Moyes, it gets top billing in TW and you come on saying what you said.
Now if my point is so obvious then why would you act like you act?
225 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:14:59
The only person I'm pissed off at in this whole sorry saga is Kenwright for not getting any kind of compensation out of Man U when it's painfully obvious that this was all decided by Xmas.
226 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:15:20
227 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:25:23
228 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:26:40
229 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:24:32
230 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:31:31
Now take a leap of imagination what if Moyes wins the league, not beyond the realms of believability and Everton under Martinez finish in the bottom half in the next two years will any of you admit that Moyes did well at Everton?
231 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:21:42
I'm 39 Peter. It was meant as a joke based on the chant that we've been singing for years.
I'm not sorry he's gone either. Read my follow up at #070
233 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:31:37
235 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:35:01
I know mate,it was tongue in cheek
And I've read all the posts on this subject,I can't believe people even care how he went,he's gone and I couldn't be happier,I wanted him sacked after losing the last 6 games of the 2003-04 season,fuck him!!!
236 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:37:13
238 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:37:53
That's the best post of the lot......brilliant and probably not far from the truth
239 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:38:25
241 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:39:51
242 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:41:01
Bucharest was one in a long line of debacles,we'd be here all night if we listed them
243 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:41:05
He is our new centre forward according to the Mirror
248 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:47:01
Just looked them up,you're right they are shit apes them
251 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:54:55
254 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:38:18
I want to know what actually happened, what the facts are. I don't want to leap to a conclusion based on hearsay and conjecture. I have no axe to grind here. I was bloody sick of Moyes and I think Martinez is Mr Wonderful. if it turns out that the DM and RM appointments were both in the pipeline for months then it will confirm my hunch; if it doesn't then my hunch was wrong - sometimes they are, unfortunately. It doesn't bother me much either way, but I hold to the principle that you shouldn't judge people on tittle-tattle.
On a lighter note, I think "going apeshit" probably refers to the tendency of said primate to fling their excrement at people in zoos - presumably to indicate their frustration at being cooped up. Also, for a bit of a laugh.
255 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:05:23
256 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:06:10
257 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:08:37
258 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:08:00
On the ape shit thing that it.................
259 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:01:25
260 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:11:12
hes so dodgy he had to tell them what he was "I'm a football manager"
261 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:15:20
Why bother? Exactly what would it achieve?
262 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:17:01
265 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:29:50
In early June, Mourinho stated that he was told about the imminent retirement months before the story broke and got it straight from the horses mouth.
"I knew that he was retiring many months before. I am so happy with his trust because it was big news for the world - I can imagine that just a very small circle around him knew that, and it was a big responsibility for me to know that," he said.
"Why do I know that? Because we are friends. I am his friend to know that he is going to retire, he is also my friend to know that the club I want to coach in England is Chelsea.
"Of course I told him I want to come to Chelsea. I would turn down every job in the world-not just the United job-for Chelsea."
It would be very strange indeed if the guy old whiskey nose supposedly handpicked as his successor was not amongst the 'very small circle' he chose to confide in.
267 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:29:06
268 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:35:12
270 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:32:59
It would also appear that ginger bollocks was not first choice,certainly every united fan I've spoke to are astounded that Moyes and not mourinho was appointed
271 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:39:31
If anyone else had made that decision, Klopp or Mourinho would be the manager now not Moyes.
272 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:33:35
274 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:43:37
Thread, now there's a funny one.
275 Posted 02/08/2013 at 17:08:27
The whole of football cheats (itself?) and lies all the time.
My only real interest in this would be if there was any possibility of us getting any cash/compo for...any...erm...'reason'.
If there was, I'd love us to take them to court - get a very 'clever' (ie: shifty, not to be trusted) sexy Rexy-style lawyer to give it the full Clarence Darrow.
Lawyer: "Ladies and gentlemen, to all but the gullible and staggeringly naive, this is clear cut. The facts? During the run up to Christmas 2012, the Manager of Everton Football Club, Mr David Moyes, a man I might point out known for his 'honesty and religious beliefs' (tuts, raises eyes sarcastically) had informed one and all he would address the signing of a new contract with the club in January. However this, for reasons that were never properly explained, never happened. Now given that Mr Moyes was at the time the 12th best-payed manager in Europe, we can assume there was no problem with his wages. So....what? What EXACTLY happened to stop him signing? (pauses and looks into the eyes of all jury members). I put it to you it was the following. Manchester United, a team used to long-term planning, had in early 2012, targeted Mr Moyes as their next manager. However, because they were aware of his upcoming contract negotiations with Everton, he was tipped the wink and..
Judge (waking up): "I'm sorry he was WHAT?"
Lawyer; "I do apologise M'Lud, I lapsed into the vernacular, I mean he was secretly informed"
Lawyer: "Thank you your ludicrousness...as I was saying, he was secretly informed of Manchester Utd's interest, which in effect prevented him signing a new contract at Everton. HAD he signed the Everton contract, as expected, his later move to the billionaires of Manchester Utd would have cost the Old Trafford club 15 million pounds in compensation to (begins to peel onion) strapped-for-cash Everton (grabs lapels and turns to jury). Is that fair? IS - THAT - FAIR?"
Teary-eyed jury members begin to sing "Oh it's a grand old team..."
Judge awards us Â£50m and Rooney, headlines in the Mirror "David 50 - Goliath 0"
(I know, I know, but I'm just getting all my fantasies out of the way now, before the season starts and reality kicks in).
Seriously though, if there's no cash in it, then it's just us booing Moyes (again) and right now, I'd rather focus on Martinez and what's ahead.
Or to put it another way, it's not coz he's got red hair that I don't care, it's coz he's not our manager.
276 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:51:57
277 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:49:33
278 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:55:49
Get tae fuck
279 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:55:37
280 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:00:34
Wow. If Martinez can call on 'tactical genies' then he's an even better appointment than I first thought. All Moyes had was Steve Round looking like a comotose forty year old version of Fred from Scooby Doo. Magic Roberto, on the other hand, only has to rub his lamp whilst whistling the theme tune from 'I dream of Jeanie' and suddenly a fully formed back room staff burst forth in a puff of smoke, sporting harem-esque belly dancing attire and bearing blackboards, pro-zone stats, possession percentages, and a brand spanking new set of (unsnapped) subbuteo men to show the spaniard exactly how this shit is going to get done.
283 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:03:44
This is football wer`e talking about - there are no ethics,standards,accepted behaviours etc.etc. It`s the law of the jungle-that`s why we all love it!
284 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:10:02
dm's OWN stated ambition when he was joining EVERTON was to go on and manage mufc.....this came to light recently, during "the transition period"
I did NOT applaud him after our last home game because he had pledged allegiance to mufc (they are our opponents remember) before his EVERTON contract had expired, a contract which he had repeatedly declined to renew despite continual offers (on improved terms) from EVERTON
MY allegiance is to EVERTON
So was dm's, in my genuine opinion he departed shabbily, but I have thought this for about 18 months
I DO hope that he fails at mufc, and my main reason is that if he does then it improves Roberto's potential to succeed
dm CHOSE to leave
EVERTON approached Wigan ethically
Roberto agreed to manage EVERTON
THAT for me is what truly matters, and so far I'm bloody glad that he did !
285 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:00:51
If he has, he'll be paying the price in sleepless nights.
Large black ghoul-type thing..
"Yer cannae hide fae me Davey, yer know whit yev done is wrang. 'Tell a lie and shame the devil', that's whit ye wuz taught, and here ye are the noo wi' yer pants on fire. Well it''ll be mair than yer pants wheer yer'll end up son. Aye that's right, the pits of hell, tae burn for eternet..."
Moyes wakes up sweating bullets: "Oh gentle Jesus - nae mair please!!"
Morag: (tutting): "Jings David, that's 5 nights in a row, yer cannae keep this up, noo wring oot yer pyjamas and go back tae sleep"
Moyes: "Aye yer right hen, as usual"
But in his heart of hearts, he knows tomorrow night, same time, same channel, 'it'......will be back.
287 Posted 02/08/2013 at 18:54:29
So Moyes knew late last year, probably. Did Kenwright? It must've been obvious when DM basically went into the last 6 months of his contract with no extension signed? Did DM lead BK up the path? Did BK tap up Martinez before?
But all this hand-wringing from people telling us to move on - give it up will you? Like it or not DM and his brand of integrity was a big part of our history, and people will continue to talk about it for as long as they're allowed to and it generates debate.
Sure, some people will feel disappointed that it seems their hero was a bit duplicitous in the end - but that's the nature of the game (and I honestly don't think he did anything wrong in the context of the modern game). Reminds me of the end of the Destination Kirkby episode - some who had backed a loser tried to justify their stance, some put their hands up and admitted they were wrong, but more still tried to shut down the debate, consigning it to "history". Very poor.
288 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:17:51
290 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:21:52
291 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:28:01
292 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:26:56
Pre season, so far, has been (pre-season, I know) good enough to increase optimism on TW by about 200%, that in itself is enough to make me think that a bit of arrogance wouldn't go a miss. On that basis:
Do one Man Utd, we've moved on and we'll be happy to show you home and away.
293 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:39:18
294 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:41:26
I couldn't really care less anymore, maybe he was a good man with integrity or maybe he was the devil incarnate...either way he's history and we are playing Real Madrid this weekend which is much more exciting.
295 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:25:45
Moyes not negotiating his contract in January as promised months earlier.
Ferguson admitting publicly that he decided to go before Christmas
Mourinho admitting publicly that Ferguson told him at Christmas
A Man United club source (unnamed) quoted in The Independent as saying Ferguson's back room staff knew before Christmas that he was going and that it was Moyes they wanted to replace him.
Given the above its hard to see how this wasn't done months before and I'd say on the balance of probabilities - Moyes is guilty.
296 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:47:30
The player market has moved on very quickly judging by the Bale "deal". Baines has now got to be worth 35-40 million pounds (assuming a decent length of contract).
297 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:51:27
298 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:52:25
All in the garden looks pretty rosy at the minute so it's onwards and upwards chaps.
301 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:49:09
Paul, the "Moyes hatred" line wasn't actually mine. It was a quote from an earlier post (#230) that I was responding to.
302 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:34:04
304 Posted 02/08/2013 at 20:01:57
305 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:50:19
All of which reminds me of this classic courtroom scene...
‘Let the jury consider their verdict,’ the King said, for about the twentieth time that day.
‘No, no!’ said the Queen. ‘Sentence first — verdict afterwards.’
‘Stuff and nonsense!’ said Alice loudly. ‘The idea of having the sentence first!’
‘Hold your tongue!’ said the Queen, turning purple.
‘I won’t!’ said Alice.
‘Off with her head!’ the Queen shouted at the top of her voice.
This thread is more like verdict first, evidence later! I rest my case.
306 Posted 02/08/2013 at 20:05:11
Not ok for me, Keith, with respect. You're talking about the passionate support (customers - yuk!). I was talking about organisations and their employees. "Passionate supporters" changes nothing about the way employees might behave. I'm afraid that in this case normal commercial behaviour is exactly what we saw. Feeling outraged as a passionate supporter (and I'm one, as well) changes nothing. We might expect more commitment to the organisation - but my point was it's naive to expect that.
307 Posted 02/08/2013 at 20:15:29
Some of us don't give a fuck
Some of us don't care how the fuck the unit was gone just as long as he was gone
I applaud Manchester United,like the people of Eindhoven applauded the allies during world war 2,we have been liberated............rejoice!!!!!' rejoice!!!!!
309 Posted 02/08/2013 at 20:18:20
310 Posted 02/08/2013 at 20:22:31
(As Basil Brush used to say) "Boom-boom!"
311 Posted 02/08/2013 at 20:27:34
315 Posted 02/08/2013 at 20:33:29
316 Posted 02/08/2013 at 19:35:22
318 Posted 02/08/2013 at 20:39:16
What is it with you and your one-dimensional and polarizing views of this site and its hearty band of merry followers?
319 Posted 02/08/2013 at 20:31:14
The Juventus game the other night would've been a 3-0 drubbing under Moyes... and before it, Divy Dave would've been telling us all what a team Juve were and how we were up against it and how many class players they had... blah blah. Roberto's Blues went out, played football, and beat the Italians.
That's what we have now under Martinez belief and the Mancs are going to get the shit we had to endure – just a more expensive version of it..
320 Posted 02/08/2013 at 20:42:01
He then has the bare-faced cheek to turn around and bid for our player (if you would even label £12m a bid) whilst still being employed by Everton. Blue Bill must stand his ground on this one and refuse to sell anybody to United when Moyes is still in charge.
Kenwright, for all his faults, was totally supportive of Moyes and paid him handsomely when he was at Goodison. Not many Chairmen would be as loyal to a manager that hadn't won a trophy for 11 years.
321 Posted 02/08/2013 at 20:36:05
What disappoints me about Moyes leaving, is that he chose to manage Man Utd over Everton, as a child of the 80s when we were a better team than them, even after all these years, I can't get used to anyone choosing any other team over Everton, how times have changed.
322 Posted 02/08/2013 at 20:45:32
Welcome to the world of football.
Money rules ok!
Leighton hasn't signed the new & improved contract yet, could be he's angling for a even better contract, or maybe he's made his mind up to go to Man Utd.
Unfortunately there's that much money sloshing about that loyalty & commitment to a team has largely gone.
325 Posted 02/08/2013 at 21:10:37
335 Posted 02/08/2013 at 21:42:07
Me too, count ME in !
He has chosen his path........
336 Posted 02/08/2013 at 21:48:03
337 Posted 02/08/2013 at 21:40:26
In addition to this he also said that Moyes had himself told journalists on Merseyside that he had been approached but was sworn to secrecy, although in this instance Moyes didn't give an accurate timescale to the journalists.
343 Posted 02/08/2013 at 21:54:23
344 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:03:57
If Moyes was being lined up for some time by Man Utd, is it quite plausible that some of the players we got from Utd on the cheap may have been part of the grand plan? For one, it would give Ferguson insights into how he handled and what he did with some of his lesser lights (but arguably better quality than what he had). For two, when Kenwright mentioned the word "compensation" Utd could quite cheerfully say "Darren Gibson for £500k and Saha for nothing". Suspiciously cheap deals, I tell thee.
Just my forthpenneth - I love a good conspiracy theory with no evidence to substantiate it as much as the next man!
347 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:07:02
Kenshites Sky Sports performance now can be considered the panto we all knew it was.
349 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:13:58
Moyes and Kenwright made for each other
351 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:11:06
Something fishy about this story coming out now?!
353 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:20:57
357 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:07:09
Just to repeat myself, my intuition was that Martinez had been lined up for the Everton job by the time we drew them in the cup, which was early March, so that would have to mean there was a vacancy at Goodison by that time. I'm not sure whether the Mirror writer's talk of "a source at EFC" and mention of local reporters in the know but sworn to secrecy is enough to turn my intuition into The Truth. But it makes it a wee bit more solid, put it that way.
I do find it hard to believe that Echo journos could keep completely schtum about such a big story, but it's possible. Fantastically unlikely, but possible.
Anyway, I've said my piece. The Thing is dead, long live The King!
358 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:27:18
But the fixed mindset may still find it just too hard to accept....
360 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:29:09
361 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:32:37
365 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:40:26
366 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:43:16
He didn't have to reply to me and if he's out of order then Moyes would be getting in touch and threatening him with libel. Seems pretty convincing to me but you carry on wearing your blinkers.
367 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:46:36
368 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:49:37
What colour is the sky for you today, Tony?
369 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:51:11
372 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:52:30
373 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:50:44
To be fair, it makes no difference either way, he's gone so let's all get behind Martinez and forget about the new Manc manager.
374 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:55:44
375 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:59:45
377 Posted 02/08/2013 at 22:56:32
Yes, its an unnamed source but he isn't going to tell me his source is he! Why on earth would David Maddocks make all of this up and why would he take the time to respond to me unless this story is correct?
380 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:08:50
381 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:10:10
382 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:12:44
384 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:12:28
With regard to this surfacing now with David Maddocks, then I would suggest that he has been following the Leighton Baines story and has come up with another angle on it. His comments that Everton were considering making a formal complaint to the Premier League suggest that this has been bubbling away under the surface for some time.
385 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:18:30
386 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:18:44
They are always Royal Blue for me Ross
387 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:19:58
388 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:21:36
389 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:21:03
390 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:22:30
391 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:22:06
It doesn't matter how they got him, the fact that they even wanted him is the unbelievable aspect of this. Mark my words this will go down as one of the biggest fuck ups in Premier League history. They're already baying for him and they're not out of pre-season!
We have got a great man and manager in Roberto Martinez and good times are not too far away. COYB!
393 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:19:58
394 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:27:21
395 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:25:54
It's more a point of principle; it's not the way that things should be done and is in breach of Premier League rules. I would have made an actual formal complaint rather than accept their apology.
397 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:30:50
398 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:22:41
Many of us posted at the time Man Utd announced his appointment that he was a two-faced lying bastard! That he only just found out etc, etc, etc.
He should have been turfed out the Club the day Man Utd announced his appointment. There were many on her making apologies and believing his every utterance was gospel! It's now proved he was a two-faced back-stabbing bastard who deserves everything he gets — and believe me, when he fails miserably at Old Trafford, it'll all be proved.
The man is a disgrace. All the shite he spouted when our manager is proved to be just that — shite!! No worse or no better than the rest of them.
Moyesiha — my arse!!!
401 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:36:28
404 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:56:30
407 Posted 02/08/2013 at 23:34:53
Of all the columnists and papers to break the news...what are blue journos like Prenno or O'Keefe thinking...
409 Posted 03/08/2013 at 00:23:36
However, much as I don't like it, the blame does lie 100 per cent on the shoulders of Man United. Do you really honestly expect DM after being approached and warned not to say anything to have come out publicly and said what was going on? That would have been tantamount to him not getting it.
Equally, BK was probably trying to maintain as much equilibrium as possible. Let's face it, they were both pushed into a corner. This was foul play by Man Utd. Total disregard for other teams, other people, other fans... Disgraceful behaviour. Full stop.
There were, however, other things that I found disappointing and distasteful in DM's actions, eg, I was far more offended by DM saying he was going on to something better and Phil Neville describing how it was always where DM had wanted to be – like we were just some stepping stone.
But anyway, as others have said, we move on and the future looks bright. and I get the feeling Martinez really does want to be at the helm of our precious club, so fingers crossed for him and for us.
414 Posted 03/08/2013 at 00:43:02
Man Utd and the others think they can do what they want; it's time to stand up against their bully-boy tactics.
Sky, MotD, The Mirror will only be happy once everyone in the country supports either Man Utd or the RS. They know, if they put one of them on telly, 10 million glory hunters will tune in or buy their papers.
421 Posted 03/08/2013 at 01:50:22
424 Posted 03/08/2013 at 01:59:46
425 Posted 03/08/2013 at 02:12:45
There is a strange level of bitterness here. I suppose because Moyes has gone to United? Even though Moyes did at least as much for us (I'd argue more), than we did for him. It's partly understandable, and partly incredibly frustrating, and it goes deeper than off season boredom.
On the plus side, we've only 2 weeks until it all begins. I can't wait to see what Mirallas and Coleman conjure up this season personally.
429 Posted 03/08/2013 at 01:44:54
The Rooney fiasco is far from over, which I'm sure is adding unwanted dissent from the world's best midfielders at wanting to wear a red shirt. And let's be honest, would you walk away from Barca or Madrid to work for a defensive minded first year manager with no silverware? Hell, for as much as CR7 probably wants to come back he's probably not going to until January at the earliest, if he does at all, depending how the first half of the season goes for both United and Madrid.
Hopefully what will happen if DM doesn't even get Modric because he'll HAVE to go back to White Hart Lane in the Bale deal, United will approach Everton about an offer for Felli and they'll jack up the price a bit. If Felli does go, it's cash for a last minute signing or bank for January needs, plus the satisfaction of maybe having DM beg a little!
430 Posted 03/08/2013 at 02:39:07
I'm just glad he's gone have as much interest in United's manager as I have in Accrington Stanley's which is twice a year when the teams I support play them.
434 Posted 03/08/2013 at 02:41:59
Fuck it all! Let's give RM a chance to play some good footy!!!!!! We can beat the Mancs and all the rest!
437 Posted 03/08/2013 at 03:46:52
These rumours just give those who disliked him a chance to criticise and abuse them and those who liked him to circle the wagons and defend him. Given he is now in one of the most high-profile jobs in football, this will go on for ever if we keep posting on every story the tabloids publish on him... even if it is related in some way to us.
451 Posted 03/08/2013 at 04:07:24
472 Posted 03/08/2013 at 08:12:53
I hope we don't sell him anyone. I hope Van Persie gets seriously injured pulling tyres up hills, Rooney goes abroad and they're left playing Carrick upfront because Hernandez and Wellbeck are too inexperienced snd need time to learn how to defend and run the channels for any scrsps.
Bitter? No. But why do I care what the Man Utd manager does?! We gave a positive youbg manager who's moved early in the transfer market, is giving players of all ages encouragement and has me excited about the forthcoming season.
Moyes enjoy your time being the highlight of the evening at Ferguson's Le Dîner de Cons. Neville msde discontented murmurings while here about the Moysiah's negative football - and he and the press will happily turn the whole place Iinto the theatre of nightmares for you. Thanks for the "apology" though, but set your sights elsewhere.
Anyway, that's me done talking about Manure and theirs. Let's see what we can do against Real Madrid!
475 Posted 03/08/2013 at 08:54:20
Meaning he had the right to make contractually binding sales and purchases on our behalf and speak on behalf of the Club?
I doubt it.
476 Posted 03/08/2013 at 08:59:41
Thank you Man.Utd and thank you SAF for forcing our indecisive Management to make changes.
Without their Machevellian approach maybe TDO ( The Dour One) would still be here.
I also wrote that I would not buy a Season Ticket if TDO stayed -- after watching Everton since 1959 - - I am off to Goodison this wonderful bright, sunny, cheerful Blue Skyed morning to pick up my lovely Season Ticket and am "excited" - - now theres a word - - about the coming Season.
A comment - - you do not always need proof of wrongdoing - sometimes its hidden -- but just possibly you can use your own intelligence, nouse, brains and heart to know that something isn't right - - me I rarely trust anyone in any form of authority - - I trust me and my feelings and those around me that I have learnt to trust.
So once again "Thanks" MU and SAF.
Interestingly I was at a funeral yesterday - - my older sisters friend - - and met a few Blues from TDH and where I sit in the ground - -we all said "didn't know you knew..." - - this is what makes us Blues - - a real family club - - let Moyes and his cronyism go - - as Ma Joad said "everyone's always talking about The People - - The People this and The People that - - they know nothin' - - We are The People".
Up The Blues - - and God Bless Everyone of Us said Tiny Tim (Cahil)
492 Posted 03/08/2013 at 10:11:49
2) Who really gives a rats arse? Many - as indicated by these threads - wanted rid of Moyes. I for one was often pilloried for being unsympathetic towards the man and wishing for someone else to take us forward.
Let's be honest, United have done us a huge favour. All we should be annoyed about is that they pulled their usual trick of tapping someone up and have avoided paying us compensation, which shows very little respect towards us. Since when have Utd been respectful towards anyone? I think we were kidding ourselves if we expected any kind of respect. The Baines offer was an example of that. Completely derisory from a club with deep pockets
However, Everton's reported (true or not) fury towards Utd should not have been the reason to block a Baines move. The reason to block a Baines move is SIMPLY that we DON'T WANT TO SELL HIM. It concerns me greatly that Everton's apparent fury may have been the ONLY reason to stop a move. What happened to our ambition and desire to build a team around great players?
Also, we shouldn't get too high and mighty about the possibility Utd tapped Moyes up, because if this were true and it happened so long ago, we probably did exactly the same in terms of Martinez, and so with the domino effect nature of modern day football, Wigan could be equally as furious with Everton.
If anyone watched the Juventus game, they will have noted Martinez has already started to have an impact on the way we play, and has ensured all the players are comfortable on the ball and happy to play a more attractive style. Ok, it was only one game, but we were impressive and I wouldn't have expected that approach under Moyes. Good riddance and onwards and upwards. Bring on Real....
497 Posted 03/08/2013 at 10:21:59
When Moyes said "I was summoned to Alex Ferguson's House" Kenwright should have sacked him on that day. The only place an Everton manager should get summoned to is Bill Kenwright's Boardroom.
Get your money on Moyes to be the first manager sacked.
513 Posted 03/08/2013 at 11:37:20
Davey Moyes, Davey Moyes, Davey, Davey Moyes,
Now he's a Manc
Not worth a wank
Davey, Davey Moyes.
I'll get me coat!
517 Posted 03/08/2013 at 11:54:30
Also, when he got the call from Ferguson, Moyes said he was out shopping, in another interview, he said he was in the garden with his missus, hmmmmm..................
519 Posted 03/08/2013 at 12:05:58
521 Posted 03/08/2013 at 12:13:22
Now if I can do it so can you all. `The King is dead - long live Emperor Roberto !`
522 Posted 03/08/2013 at 12:12:58
Paul Andrews (205) My point exactly - there will be no libel suit; we really need a sarcasm font on here
And Doddy, to an Evertonian there is no "better job"
526 Posted 03/08/2013 at 12:30:41
Moyes refuses to sign a new deal making excuses to why. Neville says he wont be staying at Everton and Rooney hands in a transfer request.
You don't need to be Sherlock Holmes.
527 Posted 03/08/2013 at 12:23:40
Despite not being a fan of Wenger, I do agree with his outrage at the way these so-called top clubs throw their weight around when they want a player. It's also very satisfying to see even bigger bullies I.e. Munich, Madrid, Barca, Milan etc... make them shake in their boots when they poach their players with the infamous line "it's only natural for a player of his ability to want to play for a club like this" . As for OFM, despite being at a "big" club, very few top players seem keen on moving to the theatre of dreams (soon to be snores).
528 Posted 03/08/2013 at 12:32:16
543 Posted 03/08/2013 at 13:04:03
Now ffs, can we move on?
549 Posted 03/08/2013 at 13:26:55
550 Posted 03/08/2013 at 13:39:05
We’ve already had plenty of compensation, Moyes has gone and we’ve got a better manager. No wonder they are sorry.
561 Posted 03/08/2013 at 14:06:32
He's gone, brave new world etc,etc; let`s worry about who's starting on the 17th. Bollocks to them who choose to move on!
565 Posted 03/08/2013 at 14:21:28
I wanted him gone; I'm happy. Like I've said, no apologies required; all is great as far as I'm concerned. Like you say, it's a brave new world.
My only problem with Moyes was he should have walked when he took the Man Utd job, but that's a side issue.
566 Posted 03/08/2013 at 14:21:56
567 Posted 03/08/2013 at 12:27:11
1) His contract didn't suddenly run out, he declined to resign and gave numerous "allusions" as to why... "CL next season before I commit" being one of many. Indeed, the signs were that things were on hold to concentrate upon team matters and close season would see that attended to (this was the tale he was telling 12 months and more ago). This situation continued until the end of May this year.....
2) He is/was a personal friend of Sir Alex and by his own frequent admission in social contact with him (let's see just how long THAT lasts), so therefore KNEW about SAF's health concerns 18 months ago AND therefore must have known that SAF had decided that he would retire should his health deteriorate further
3) Jose Mourinho (also a friend) has stated openly that he knew about SAF's health AND his intention to retire at least 6 months before the fact, so clearly DM must ALSO have known this
4) DM had a new deal sat unsigned upon his desk for almost 2 years
5) Man City winning the PL almost certainly put a spanner in SAF's plan to retire a year ago, had he won the PL then surely he would have departed successfully then (DM's contract was still unsigned).
6) BK has stated that at the time DM was recruited that his ambition was to manage MUFC, not to return Everton once again into "The School of Science", but to "go on to greater things".
7) MUFC announced that they were approaching DM, and within just 4 days he had signed a contract to become their manager when his Everton contract (3 weeks remaining) expired... Four Days!
8) Whilst still Everton manager, DM was involved in transfer negotiations for MUFC.
9) Despite having funds at hand during the January transfer window, DM's only move was a last minute signing of John Stones (not really the acquisition of a player to boost Everton's hopes of European football next season).
10) Prior to departing, DM gave BK assurances that he would not be back to sign Everton players.
During the majority of DM's tenure, I believed that, though he was not a dynamic firebrand manager, he had a plan and would work at it doggedly. However, he changed my opinion, beginning with the continual procrastination on signing a new contract, then the bottling of the derby at Anfield prior to the bottling of the semi-final when he threw away a long-awaited opportunity to claim "bragging rights" as a minimum.
I now rate DM alongside Barmby: He's a fuckin Judas!
569 Posted 03/08/2013 at 14:38:51
Some good points; clearly he has hurt certain fans over his actions and I understand the bitter taste he had left and yet he was given a hero's send off at his last home game.
Personally, I never liked him enough to feel any pain with regard to his departure, I only feel trepidation with Roberto's appointment but a few wins will sort that out.
Onwards and upwards!
573 Posted 03/08/2013 at 14:49:03
My point exactly - QED
I will support Roberto whole-heartedly in the hope he never settles for stability
575 Posted 03/08/2013 at 14:48:04
ALL managers are ultimately measured by results, at least we already know that Roberto doesn't have an allergy to silver...
One point that I omitted regarding Everton's appointment of Roberto: Does anyone think for one second that "the notoriously media shy Dave Whelan" would have remained absolutely silent if Everton had been tapping up Roberto from around Xmas time.... really?
583 Posted 03/08/2013 at 15:27:37
Allergy to silverware, I like that.....
Wait for the conspiracy theory regarding Roberto: I can see it now.....
Bill told Dave we'd throw the FA Cup Quarterfinal as compensation over the tapping up of his manager — as long as he keeps his gob shut.
584 Posted 03/08/2013 at 15:27:40
588 Posted 03/08/2013 at 15:39:59
Colin, 'Orrible 'Arry will ALWAYS attract media attention, he's a bloody crook, we know it, they know it and keeping his mouth running like an 'ackney carriage meter means they'll get the story they really want.....the one with the "brahn h'envelopes", wink wink
EVERTON's tour of USA attracting no media attention ?
.........those who know.........
591 Posted 03/08/2013 at 15:45:14
Talking of battles,Moyes is now equipped` to take a tank to his gunfights`.
I just wonder if he`s really qualified to drive it ?
594 Posted 03/08/2013 at 16:05:41
598 Posted 03/08/2013 at 16:13:00
600 Posted 03/08/2013 at 16:22:52
601 Posted 03/08/2013 at 16:19:05
Anyway they've got what they deserve. A dour pre-season.
615 Posted 03/08/2013 at 16:55:55
All these abbrev are driving me mad. MOB SAF DM BK TWAT FMP IMWT IMWT IMHO TTFN etc!!
617 Posted 03/08/2013 at 16:59:34
622 Posted 03/08/2013 at 16:55:55
643 Posted 03/08/2013 at 18:05:06
654 Posted 03/08/2013 at 18:15:56
790 Posted 03/08/2013 at 23:49:23
No agronym intended!!
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