The manager took Baines to Old Trafford last Tuesday to watch the veteran Bayern Munich and Germany player take on Manchester United in the Champions League to allow his left back to study Lahm in the role in which he has been deployed by Pep Guardiola.
Martinez sees in Baines the same qualities that make Lahm so versatile and paved the way for him to migrate from his natural role as a fullback to a midfield holding role.
"I've always thought Leighton can develop into Philipp Lahm's role, it is in his make-up," Martinez said. "Not this season but in seasons to come he is someone who can play in that central role.
"I wanted him to watch Lahm in a live game because when it's on TV you only see the player when he's on the ball. It was good for Leighton to watch a player I feel he can be as good as or even better.
Many Evertonians have viewed Baines's attacking talents as being his strong suit and he has been put forward by some as a potential solution to England's lack of options in left midfield.
Martinez, though, clearly sees more merit in the defensive aspects of his game.
"Like Lahm, Leighton doesn't give the ball away, he's got a very low centre of gravity and technically he is as good as it gets. When you have that control of the ball and have been such a good defender, and as a left-back you have to be very good on one-v-one situations, it is very important to have that defensive mindset in those midfield areas. That is important for defensive balance.
"As a player, Leighton has been through so many different experiences and has always found a way to rise to new challenges in his career. I am convinced he can step up to a new challenge. You need to look at the physicality and he is a naturally fit boy so can easily go into the role. He can be more expansive in central midfield than in his left back role. That's why I wanted him to see it first hand."
Quotes sourced from The Guardian
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106 Posted 05/04/2014 at 07:44:52
108 Posted 05/04/2014 at 07:55:29
109 Posted 05/04/2014 at 07:53:14
114 Posted 05/04/2014 at 08:22:56
120 Posted 05/04/2014 at 08:52:02
122 Posted 05/04/2014 at 09:05:32
124 Posted 05/04/2014 at 09:12:28
John Daley, your correct in your view of John Stones, but if he is here for the long term, that may become his role further down the line, it wouldn't do him any harm learning that trade from watching Baines just in front of him week in week out, he's only 19 remember.
126 Posted 05/04/2014 at 09:27:36
Baines is class. I think his head was messed up by the United talk - but next season he will hopefully be back to his best - and the 'aLahm' bells will be ringing for our opponents. (Had to be done).
128 Posted 05/04/2014 at 09:48:26
Regarding Stones, I'd prefer to see him grow into a ball playing centre back. I remember Sol Campbell at his best for England striding out of defence with the ball and it just lifted the team. Pushing a defender into midfield didn't work out for Rodwell, and Stones could be a fixture in our defence for years to come with Martinez wanting to pass from the back.
129 Posted 05/04/2014 at 09:47:45
Baines has got good technique and can run all day.I can't see any negatives in moving Baines to centre midfield.
130 Posted 05/04/2014 at 10:03:11
136 Posted 05/04/2014 at 10:16:38
What he is saying now, may be a sign of trying to make simultaneous room for both Baines and Oviado.
In a way I think we have quite missed Oviado.
137 Posted 05/04/2014 at 10:21:59
138 Posted 05/04/2014 at 10:22:25
141 Posted 05/04/2014 at 10:19:00
Interesting stats in the article. This season average possession per game has risen, as have passes per game, passing accuracy and number of dribbles attempted.
Also fewer shots per game and fewer passes in the attacking third than last season. And fewer goals conceded per game on average and more clean sheets.
142 Posted 05/04/2014 at 10:33:04
144 Posted 05/04/2014 at 10:37:23
At last, we are doing something to lower the overall age of the side with Barkley, Oviedo, Stones and Deulofeu emerging. If we can keep Lukaku, he will only improve as he is still a kid.
I would love us to keep Martinez as manager: he is a very positive, flexible thinker with good ideas. Unfortunately, if he is successful, he may well be tempted away if he is not financially supported. Dave Whelan would have kept him at Wigan even though they got relegated and Mr Whelan knows a good man when he sees him.
146 Posted 05/04/2014 at 10:37:28
All positive of course.
Its becoming obvious why Dave Whelan was so full of praise for him, even saying that he was the best manager in the world.
Now that's a tall order I know, but Dave's not usually given to exaggeration & calls a spade a spade!
158 Posted 05/04/2014 at 11:28:45
Me and my brother are massive fans of the Bundesliga, being part German and all, and just three or four weeks ago we had a lengthy conversation over a coffee about Lahm's move to centre mid under Guardiola.
For years now, we have both been arguing amongst friends (and anyone else who would listen) that Lahm is hands down the best in the world in his natural position. Now my brother, having spent time there is also a big fan of the Spanish game and has a total love of Guardiola. He has every book under the sun on him and his methods and over the years I too have become a huge fan of his incredible ideas and methods. One of the things that has consistently been apparent over the years is his incredible vision, so naturally when we met up, his decision to move Lahm took up a lot of the conversation (other than when we were talking about our beloved Blues).
After a while, I put a question to my brother, that I had been mulling over to myself all season when watching Bayern - do you not think Bainesy could do that role for us? I pointed out that, as much as I love Baines, we have genuinely looked more dangerous with Oviedo at left back - his pace and style seems better suited to Martinez' system. The answer was a resounding 'yes' and he told me that he had been mulling over the same thought.
We talked about how Baines' passing is superb, as is his movement, he is good at positioning himself between the opposition and a dangerous area, and whilst his tackling isn't amazing, it is solid. He also has decent pace. I walked away from the meet up dreaming that Martinez (undoubtedly a man with incredible Pep style vision) may consider the idea in the future. This is great to see! COYB!
159 Posted 05/04/2014 at 11:06:43
I also think this is a move by Martinez to gradually bring Oviedo into the left-back spot as well to eventually take over from Baines. Baines isn't getting any younger and in time won't have the legs to keep on marauding up & down the left but will have the legs and energy to get about our own half as a defensive midfielder and drop into the LB position to cover Oviedo when he bombs on — who better to cover him than a natural LB?
This move could turn out to be a masterstroke by Bobby.
163 Posted 05/04/2014 at 12:07:22
Having said that I trust RM and he sees far more of Baines than I do so I'm sure there's something in it.
164 Posted 05/04/2014 at 12:16:14
Bit definitely agree about that movement in the final third!
166 Posted 05/04/2014 at 12:25:38
That said, its nice to see our boss thinking in this flexible way and the only way to truly decide is to give Baines a run there to see. Don't forget that Barry started out as a LB and has now become a quality defensive mid, so perhaps its not so unlikely to work.
Certainly it is the case that Baines form has declined this season. I wondered if it was to do with uncertainty over the Utd move, but he hasn't improved since he decided to stay. I think on pre-injury form basis I'd prefer Oviedo at LB.
170 Posted 05/04/2014 at 13:43:46
175 Posted 05/04/2014 at 14:15:46
176 Posted 05/04/2014 at 14:14:10
After watching Utd against Bayern I think Moyes took Fellaini to Sunderland the previous Monday to watch Andy Carroll bulldoze his way through a game.
177 Posted 05/04/2014 at 14:22:50
178 Posted 05/04/2014 at 14:24:15
Perhaps next year he could transform Seamus into another Bale and solve all BK's problems by selling him for £100M!
181 Posted 05/04/2014 at 14:40:09
183 Posted 05/04/2014 at 14:43:10
This is certainly worth exploring in the future. I'm certain that Bainesy would have a positive impact on the team in that role, and will certainly get the odd shooting opportunity as well.
187 Posted 05/04/2014 at 15:32:44
189 Posted 05/04/2014 at 15:57:22
190 Posted 05/04/2014 at 16:03:30
196 Posted 05/04/2014 at 17:23:41
198 Posted 05/04/2014 at 17:21:23
I first read your post before reading who actually posted it, I thought is this guy for real? Then I saw your name next to it.
Yes I'll own up, I was all for Vitor, I'm so glad I was soooo wrong.
200 Posted 05/04/2014 at 17:35:32
201 Posted 05/04/2014 at 17:11:01
It also compliments Bainsey as a senior professional (at 29, and I'd say a bloody young 29), viewing him as both a talented AND future pro
(it does coincidentally hint that if Barry decides to say "thanks but no thanks" we ain't stuffed.....plus we should have Gibbo back next season)
Bainsey is frequently portrayed as a "Gentleman Footballer", an understated type, but FFS.....he does give it some verbals when he isn't happy !
And he's ALWAYS in the right.....maybe defensive mid could not only suit LB's talents but his attitude too ?
Rather a positive and neat way of RM "complimenting & reminding" Jags that even as Captain others can step up................... (just a thort)
Nice to see that the resident "Mr Under-Bridge" disapproves, that for me is a certain sign of approval
Go play with Billy, the 3rd Goat of the brothers Gruff !
203 Posted 05/04/2014 at 18:00:25
204 Posted 05/04/2014 at 18:09:57
You make him sign like Limp Along Leslie - anybody remember him?!
206 Posted 05/04/2014 at 18:19:22
207 Posted 05/04/2014 at 18:22:30
It's still early days, but I worry we won't have this fella long, let's hope we can move up a level both on and off the pitch.
209 Posted 05/04/2014 at 18:27:52
I think he’s brilliant.
211 Posted 05/04/2014 at 18:30:16
214 Posted 05/04/2014 at 18:27:01
219 Posted 05/04/2014 at 18:57:45
220 Posted 05/04/2014 at 18:51:22
Brent #204, Limp Along was second only to the immortal Roy Race!
221 Posted 05/04/2014 at 19:07:45
226 Posted 05/04/2014 at 19:12:06
228 Posted 05/04/2014 at 19:12:40
253 Posted 05/04/2014 at 22:16:02
256 Posted 05/04/2014 at 23:07:34
He generally uses the dimensions of the pitch to avoid headers and tackling which is an option at full back (a sensible one too) but there is no hiding place from high balls and shoulder to shoulder in the middle of the pitch.
257 Posted 05/04/2014 at 22:52:24
273 Posted 05/04/2014 at 23:46:50
I remember reading an article, when Guardiola was still at Barcelona, which detailed his opinion on the future of football – guided by his mentor, Johan Cruyff. His opinion was that teams would consist of 1 defender and the remaining 9 outfield players being midfielders, ie, football, in the future, would be a game won in the centre of the pitch with the emphasis being on the majority of players asked to both defend and attack, five-a-side style, I suppose.
Toure and Mascherano playing centre half, in his Barcelona days, and Lahm playing a more central position, in this Bayern team, is a clue as to what is to come at the cutting edge of top level football. A proper football revolution it appears; as long as Guardiola continues to be successful. As far as Everton are concerned, this style of football Martinez has introduced will certainly put us in a strong position when facing the big boys – fingers crossed for tomorrow.
Long story short, I believe this comment by Martínez underlines his commitment to the Catalonian footballing philosophy, good or bad.
287 Posted 06/04/2014 at 03:13:40
I'm down for this transition, if it were to bring Oviedo back in the team with Garbutt on the bench. I have always thought that Baines was restricted running up and down the left hand side of the pitch. The blokes got an engine and as well can distribute well. Let's have a look at how he goes at CDM. We also have Gibson to come back into the team too so it would be Barry (if signed), Gibson, McCarthy.
@James Wong (137), surely you're wrong. I swear we've seen him hit one with his 'weak' foot.. I cannot recall the game but that right leg was solid!
If all else fails then we'll switch back, nothing wrong with trying something.. Don't be surprised to see this during preseason..
289 Posted 06/04/2014 at 04:21:53
Roberto is always thinking and freshening things up. If we get 5 years before Barcelona come to call we will be lucky. And if he helps choose his successor, we could still get the magical loanees.
302 Posted 06/04/2014 at 07:04:02
321 Posted 06/04/2014 at 10:11:35
Roberto can fit square pegs in round holes
335 Posted 06/04/2014 at 11:30:14
340 Posted 06/04/2014 at 11:33:05
371 Posted 06/04/2014 at 13:06:04
505 Posted 06/04/2014 at 20:36:23
Baines is super fit and has great dedication. His control and vision is the best in the league in his position. I can well see him playing further forward in front of Oviedo.
At present Pienaar fills the role but it is great that plans are made to cover that position when required. We need similar plans to cover for Barry on a rotation system for next season if Barry joins us.
576 Posted 06/04/2014 at 23:05:50
Phil, Harold, regardless of where this transition is at, Barry is too important to miss any games at the moment. We need all the experienced bodies we can get on the starting 11 to try to win out.
624 Posted 07/04/2014 at 07:02:25
655 Posted 07/04/2014 at 11:49:48
What do you think he was saying to Arteta? That Roberto is the best little Spaniard we know!
771 Posted 07/04/2014 at 20:37:26
Roy Race was a manicured twat and not fit to lace the boots of Dozy Danny Lorimer, Hot Shot Hamish or even Alf Tupper. I would even go so far as to place Billy Dane and Billy Binns ahead of Roy of the bleeding Rovers and they relied on magic.
If yer know yer 'Istory etc etc
772 Posted 07/04/2014 at 22:45:04
I meant Peter @ 220
777 Posted 07/04/2014 at 23:45:18
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