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Keith Conchie
1 Posted 31/05/2016 at 08:06:53
An excellent article from years gone past. Very interesting and in depth.

Very fitting, to show the trials and struggles our country faced during some of it's most difficult years, and the ties to our great club.

Brian Porter
2 Posted 31/05/2016 at 08:27:15
Fantastic article and a superb slice of our great Naval history, sadly neglected as is most of the history of the last century by today's apologists in charge of our education system. Perhaps our youth would have more pride in themselves and our country if they knew what early generations went through so they can enjoy their nice affluent lifestyle of today.
Chris Williamson
3 Posted 31/05/2016 at 08:44:05
Informative and captivatingly written article. You cannot buy history, and the history attached to our club is immense. Thanks.

The range of cultured publication on this site pays great tribute to our magnificent club. Meanwhile the articles in RAWK will be along the lines of "this is our year, it's written, it's our right, Klopp will do it".

Tony Draper
4 Posted 31/05/2016 at 08:53:27
Pete, thanks so much for this article. Can't even begin to imagine how much effort went into collating the facts, let alone the writing (and love the style, so reminiscent of patriotic movies of my childhood. Factual and at times brutal but always captivating).

Can't get past that you make statements about "lessons unlearned" and by turns there is imagination and innovation. This reminds me very much of our very own Everton, I'm sure this wasn't accidental.

Be certain, I will read and re-read this.

Thanks.

John Shearon
5 Posted 31/05/2016 at 08:57:45
Fantastic piece, Pete. I can only assume the boos after Jutland came from Kopites as we don't do such things.
Maynard Hanna
6 Posted 31/05/2016 at 09:42:29
Thank you very much Pete. I found this very interesting as well as tragic and sad. As one who once earned my living 'on the seas', I know all too well just how unforgiving a place that the sea can be. And I like you hope that one day we can find out if the game ever took place at Goodison Park. So much research, Thank you again.

On another vein, I was once told of a Merchant Fishing Vessel named The Everton that was attacked and badly damaged during the Icelandic cod wars, and despite the boat being damaged that the crew performed miracles and got her back home to port. Have you ever heard of her???

Roy Noon
7 Posted 31/05/2016 at 10:10:31
Interesting piece and quite well balanced. It would seem to me, that even to this day, we are getting a touch of media spin on the naval conflict off Jutland.

Due to a mixture of poor leadership, arrogance, bad luck, inferior design and tactics, a vastly superior force suffered massive losses in comparison with their German counterparts... but, perhaps as a postscript, we managed to blockade the German fleet... hmmm somehow doubt that was the original intention of the British action?

Dean Peamum
8 Posted 31/05/2016 at 11:47:50
Thanks Pete, excellent article. Fascinating read which brings home what these young men and women had to go through. Lest we forget.
Don Alexander
9 Posted 31/05/2016 at 12:02:47
Think I once went out with Tirpitz when I was a lad.

On a serious note, great article and thanks.

Peter Gorman
10 Posted 31/05/2016 at 12:40:50
Always appreciate these articles Pete, I'll add my thanks to those above, please keep it up.
Phill Thompson
11 Posted 31/05/2016 at 16:23:18
Great article, many thanks. Lots on TV about the service in St Magnus Cathedral. We're heading to Orkney next week, I'll hopefully get to see a few things there.
Kevin Dale
12 Posted 31/05/2016 at 17:09:15
Brilliant article, well written, many thanks.
Ian Burns
13 Posted 31/05/2016 at 17:15:37
Pete this was an exceptional article; extremely well written bringing the words into vivid images. I read it once but not in detail; enjoyed it so much; made myself a cup of tea and re-read it giving it the time and concentration it deserved. Thanks Pete, enjoyed tremendously.
Gerry Morrison
14 Posted 31/05/2016 at 20:51:20
Great read Pete. Thanks, and well done.
Mike Campbell
15 Posted 31/05/2016 at 21:18:19
Wonderfull read Great contribution to this website.
Sue Brown
16 Posted 31/05/2016 at 21:44:21
A great read, very interesting, and well done on all your hard work, Pete.

Maynard#6, Funnily enough I learned of the British trawler Everton last week. In the Daily Mail on Thursday 26th "On This Day" it said:

"In 1973 in the cod wars, Icelandic gunboat Aegir fired on a British trawler, Everton, in disputed fishing waters, holing her below the waterline."

First time I'd heard about this ship.

Karl Masters
17 Posted 31/05/2016 at 21:49:23
Exceptional read, especially on a football website.

100 years on and the World is almost unrecognisable to 1916, but Everton Football Club lives on. An institution as much as a sports team.

Tom Hughes
18 Posted 31/05/2016 at 21:55:31
Excellent piece on two subjects I've always been very interested in. WW1 and Everton. As a Marine Engineer, I can also readily empathise with my fellow seafarers .... hope you can one day find that missing link.
Gerry Quinn
19 Posted 31/05/2016 at 21:57:42
Sue,

I was onboard HMS Grenville as Navigator's Yeoman when that incident occurred and ourselves, along with HMS Scylla (I think), had to escort it all the way back to Hull.

Mike Campbell
20 Posted 31/05/2016 at 22:08:54
Wonderful read, thanks Pete, this site just keeps on getting better.
Keith Richmond
21 Posted 31/05/2016 at 22:26:33
Thank you, Peter, for this article.

Readers living in the York area may be interested in a public lecture at the University of York next Sunday afternoon (5th June) at 1.30 pm. The title is "Playing the numbers game – why Jellicoe got his maths right at the Battle of Jutland".

Link

Entry is by ticket, which can be downloaded free from a link on the above mentioned page.

Ian Pilkington
22 Posted 01/06/2016 at 00:22:45
Thank you Pete for such a tremendously interesting article, a very intriguing possible connection with Jutland and our historic football club.

Coincidentally BBC's programme shown tonight covering the commemorations closed with some archive interviews of survivors recorded in 1963, the last one with a sailor who graphically described seeing the Invincible explode.
Francis Gibson
23 Posted 01/06/2016 at 03:17:37
Absolutely loved this! Brilliant, Pete, and well done TW; it's not every football club site that would share something this cool with its readership. More, please! I like to think I know my history, but I'm always up for learning more.

MUCH appreciated. Made my day.

David Ellis
24 Posted 01/06/2016 at 05:49:11
Brilliant piece.

Jutland was seen as a defeat as we were expecting a Trafalgar like victory. It didn't happen for the reasons you so expertly explained. However Jellicoe got it right by turning away from the torpedo boats. He could have had his Trafalgar moment and be as famous as Nelson. But he could have also "lost the war in an afternoon".

He took the conservative approach. As a result we starved the German war machine out (literally) by 1918 – truly a tactical defeat (or score draw) but a strategic victory.

Maynard Hanna
25 Posted 01/06/2016 at 11:07:25
Sue (#16) and Gerry (#19). I didn't see the newspaper article. I was told of the MFV Everton by a Whitehaven fisherman and he told me that, although she was holed below the waterline, some boats got alongside her and hauled her over long enough for the crew to effect a temporary repair to get her home. It was an amazing feat, but then again Everton dosn't go down. At least not in my lifetime (I hope).

Thanks again to you both and of course to Pete for such a wonderful article about the Battle of Jutland in the first place. Footnote; The only surviving ship from the battle, HMS Caroline has just been fully restored and is now open to the public as a floating museum at Belfast Harbour Titanic centre.

Malcolm Dixon
26 Posted 01/06/2016 at 20:56:24
Great article, Pete. Such a professional piece of writing. All those nights when I sat in the old Jutland pub in Bootle (post evening classes at Hugh Baird Tech), I was only dimly aware of the tragic history behind the name. Wish I'd had the benefit of your great article back then. Cheers!
Vin McFarlane
27 Posted 05/06/2016 at 21:34:11
A magnificent piece. I've never posted a comment on TW before, but was inspired to do so by such high quality writing.
Pete Jones
28 Posted 06/06/2016 at 19:07:10
Thank you all very much for the comments; I really appreciate them. When I'm staring at the screen and the words won't come (which is what I'm doing at the moment) it really helps to thing of them.
Pete Jones
29 Posted 06/06/2016 at 20:05:21
....or think of them even; this writer's block is worse than I thought.

Pete.

John Audsley
30 Posted 06/06/2016 at 20:08:05
Pete

Fantastic article and your 100% correct in your text.

Jellicoe got a rough deal and I hope history judges him better in the next 100 years than the last.

Top marks!!


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