Column 34comments | Jump to last This article may have been recategorised and is therefore no longer available at this URL. You can try to find the updated link in the article archive. Share article: Reader Comments (34) Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer Pete Jones 1 Posted 18/07/2016 at 20:38:21 Excellent, Rob, A timely celebration. In a era of identikit grounds, Goodison Park still has an aura thanks to Leitch, even if it does mean bobbing your head to see round the pillars. Villa Park's Trinity Road was a favourite of mine too. Tony Draper 2 Posted 18/07/2016 at 21:33:27 Thanks Rob. I bloody love Goodison Park. I feel a bloody hypocrite even saying this, because I want a "New Goodison" down by the river. But, what I really want is just... a 22nd Century Goodison Park! All of the feeling, the charisma, the ashes of our comrades... everything, but just 22nd Century!And I most definitely want the stands right bang up on top of the pitch with the iconic Leitch blue-upon-white criss-crosses. Without that, it'll just be a ground where we have to go to watch Everton play football, and there's plenty of them already.TBH, I'm not that fuckin sure I really want a new ground at all... How could I possibly ever walk out of Goodison, never to ever return?Stuff of fuckin' nightmares! Olalekan Taofik 3 Posted 18/07/2016 at 21:57:41 What a flashback to refresh our Blue memory. It's a great write-up for a generation of EFC fans and future building/ structural engineers to learn from.Please keep it up. Peter Mills 4 Posted 18/07/2016 at 22:48:06 Tony (#2), that really is a confused, disjointed comment.I agree with every word you say! Tony Draper 5 Posted 18/07/2016 at 23:32:10 Thanks Pete.You......... Understand. Gerry Quinn 6 Posted 18/07/2016 at 23:57:24 Those who understand need no explanation... Mick Davies 7 Posted 18/07/2016 at 00:11:11 I wonder if Leitch felt affection for Everton, considering he did so much work on the ground, and lived locally for a period of time? I would imagine his ironwork and the blue kits would make him feel an affinity with his beloved Rangers. Dave Abrahams 8 Posted 19/07/2016 at 00:27:38 Tony (#2), I believe the voices of Evertonians long gone still echo around Goodison Park. Where will these voices go when we move?A brand new ground on the docks will be awesome. For me, a restored Goodison Park in Walton, Liverpool 4, will satisfy me more, and my ghost will be happier there. Derek Thomas 9 Posted 19/07/2016 at 01:46:43 Me too Dave, same as Tony @2. My Goodison Park is the Goodison Park of Carey and Collins and Young. Of Catterick and Moores, with Tony Kay and Roy Vernon puffing away on ciggies and cigars in Archie's Main Stand. Of Ball, Kendall and Harvey. Where TV was in B&W and the RS were still in the 2nd Division. A Goodison Park of police horses and horseshit, of Woodbines and Higsons, tea with Sterrie in it. Where I'd run back after the game to catch the opening bars of Sports Report on the radio, where Eamon Andrews would tell me, as if I didn't know, that we'd won the League. Of four tall floodlight pylons and two square clocks.I know where my ghost will be too. Dennis Stevens 10 Posted 19/07/2016 at 02:34:25 Well, wherever we end up & whenever we get there, I hope it's not a featureless bowl!A four-sided ground with four distinct, individual stands close to the pitch & quite steep to create an atmosphere of real intensity, please! David Ellis 11 Posted 19/07/2016 at 07:52:18 No doubt fans back in the early 1900s mourned the loss of the stands that the new Leitch stands replaced.....The loss we all feel is genuine and understandable, but its a personal loss, not an institutional one. The institution of Everton must move on, but I agree not to an identikit stadium, and keep the seats close to the action. I have been to the new Wembley and I just felt too far away - its essentially all single tier and the "higher tiers" are just swept back far too far from the pitch compared to say the Goodison Main Stand third tier. Paul Kelly 12 Posted 19/07/2016 at 11:39:28 First time I've had this thought, I might get shot down but here I go:How would anyone feel about a brand new Goodison Park with old style features (cosmetic) to give it the feel of the Old Lady, continue her legacy? Pissing in the wind, I know... but a lovely thought anyway, like getting a new car with an old patina, so to speak. Brent Stephens 13 Posted 19/07/2016 at 11:47:45 Paul #12 - with you on that. Would love the criss-cross motif to be taken and used in our new Mersey stadium. And the boy's pen for Bill? Or just a pen for the new signings. David S Shaw 14 Posted 19/07/2016 at 12:35:18 If any new stadium design does not replicate the Leitch criss crosses then the architect should be dismissed on the spot.I'm talking replicating it, not some rubbish modern twist on it, not some small part of the ground having it. It needs to be the full length of all of the double decker stands. Dennis Stevens 15 Posted 19/07/2016 at 13:03:08 Oh, and can we plan for the introduction of safe standing areas too? There's huge demand and it's only a matter of time before it happens, so best to integrate it into the stadium design from the start. Alex Bonnar 16 Posted 19/07/2016 at 13:54:46 A little off subject but I'm in Stockholm at present a few minutes walk from the new National, multi-purpose arena. Completed in 2012, shared ownership with the national FA, local council, local football club and a consortium of developers. Retractable roof, holds just over 50k for footie matches and 67k for concerts (a rock band there last weekend). Modern design, overlooking a large lake to one side and has now attracted further investment in hotel, apartments and commercial buildings for many large national and international organisations. There is a new (last year), shopping mall next door and transport links brought in. Apparently cost approx 200M. Anyone putting two and two together??? Mark Fitzgerald 17 Posted 19/07/2016 at 14:18:45 Paul (#12), I can't see why you'd think you'd be shot for that opinion. Surely most here would agree with that proposal. There's no doubt that modern stadiums look amazing (all glass and chrome, etc.), are more comfortable, are more safe, offer better visibility, etc.But are they as atmospheric as their older counterparts? That may well be debatable. Or perhaps it's a flawed romantic view of the past. Personally I think the most memorable arenas are those with the fans who generate those incredible atmospheres that I allude to. I would love a new fancy stadium for the club. I would love that new stadium to pay homage to classic Goodison Park. And I would love our fans to create the atmosphere that it deserves. Tony Draper 18 Posted 19/07/2016 at 15:02:33 Brent @13.Just a pen for Bill, I think. One of them free ones from dodgy insurance companies that diddle old ladies out of their life savings. Then he can sign everything over and spend his time leafing through lawnmower catalogues. Sue Brown 19 Posted 19/07/2016 at 16:12:14 Tony (#2) Well said... My thoughts exactly. John Gall 20 Posted 20/07/2016 at 11:38:40 Derek (#9) : beautiful post. My peak Goodison years were a bit later, say 1976 to 1982, but most of what you describe still applied then. The teams I witnessed were considerably weaker than those you saw, but the mood of match-days at Goodison has stayed with me forever. None of the contemporary UK stadiums impress me. I live near the Emirates, supposedly the state-of-the-art example, and I just find that place a soulless concrete bowl. Why they can't just thoroughly upgrade Goodison Park, I do not understand. It's important the club remains in Liverpool 4: the whole history of Everton is immersed in Walton and environs. Redevelop stand by stand, starting with the poxy 'new' Park End a sad indictment of the lack of ambition EFC has shown since the highlights of the 1980s. Give us back our class, our style and our swagger. And keep us connected to our roots at the same time. Eric Myles 21 Posted 21/07/2016 at 07:13:58 Replicate, David (#14)??Remove existing and transplant to new more like, add as necessary if need be, or maybe not to just keep some authenticity.And doesn't someone have one of them clocks in his back garden?? David S Shaw 22 Posted 21/07/2016 at 12:02:37 Can't argue with that, Eric Myles. The other grace to restore is the old Main Stand gable. Absolutely beautiful it was. Steve Boardman 23 Posted 22/07/2016 at 18:22:25 Just to pick up on some of the earlier comments. My father's ashes, plus those of a lot of other Blues, are buried in the Garden of Remembrance at the back of St Luke's with a plaque on the gable end wall of Gwladys St. He was Roman Catholic not Anglican but the church were delightful to deal with. Even if we move ground, he will still be in his spiritual home! Tony Abrahams 24 Posted 22/07/2016 at 21:51:35 Tony @2, what a brilliant post. More I think of it, leaving Goodison behind, will be a very hard thing to do.David 11, I agree, Wembley Stadium, no longer holds any kind of aura for me.Dave 8, I hope you will be happier when you're a ghost! Dave Abrahams 25 Posted 22/07/2016 at 22:05:54 Tony (#24) I think I will be, especially when I'm haunting you!!! Tony Abrahams 26 Posted 23/07/2016 at 09:49:34 I know, you will probably be one of those poltergeist's throwing cushion's from the main stand!Tony's 100% right about Goodison though, because if you shut your eyes, for just ten minutes, then you will have loads of good, bad and absolute great memories, that come flooding back. Thanks for taking me to Goodison, Dave, with my greatest memory of you besides trying to attack the gate men who wouldn't let you carry me in, was definately when you nearly threw me out of the upper gladdy, when Andy King, scored that goal! John Raftery 27 Posted 24/07/2016 at 20:56:14 I have been to all the new stadiums in this country plus quite a few abroad including those in Munich, Lille, Wolfsburg, Berne, Kiev, Bordeaux and Nice. The best of the lot though is the new stadium in Lyon. All the seats are close to the pitch, the capacity is over 59,000, the concourses are huge both inside and outside the stadium and the atmosphere at the Ukraine v Northern Ireland game last month was second to none. With a retractable roof it would be the ideal solution for us on the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey. Jeff Armstrong 28 Posted 24/07/2016 at 21:15:55 John, sounds just about right that Lyon stadium. I also think 59,000 is about right too. We've sold 32,000 season tickets to date; we could add 15,000 to that with a bit of success. Stands close to the pitch, good atmosphere, which some of these superbowls (eg, The Emirates) do not have. It really feels like the type of ground we would be happy to have. Lukas Polster 29 Posted 24/07/2016 at 21:31:11 I agree, John (#27), about Lyon's stadium having great atmosphere. I've only seen it on TV but I did go to their old stadium & the atmosphere there was amazing. I hate to say it but much better than Goodison, but that's down to the fans not stadium design. Paul Burns 30 Posted 25/07/2016 at 11:54:11 I agree with Dennis Stevens' views on how the new ground should be, very steep stands and that go right to the edge of the pitch.I urge all Evertonians to go to Google images and put in "Juventus stadium".In my opinion, this is exactly the type of ground Everton need. It could be scaled up to hold more and generates a fantastic atmosphere, something rare in Italian football. Paul Burns 31 Posted 25/07/2016 at 11:57:14 Disagree with Lukas Polster though, stadium design has a huge effect on the atmosphere inside. Tony Draper 32 Posted 26/07/2016 at 19:21:07 Not sure how many TWers have already seen this article (or similar) I'm certain that Lyndon or Michael have already listed the following link a while back. But out of interest, thought it might be useful.As persuasive as the accompanying hype appears I'm not entirely convinced.But, please, judge for yourselves:Link Tony Williams 33 Posted 29/07/2016 at 11:58:34 Tony (#2) Superb, I think that is what every Evertonian thinks.Ever Blue,Ever True,EVERTON. Tony Draper 34 Posted 30/07/2016 at 21:01:58 AND !AND !AND !HOW, could Everton FC ever contemplate leaving William Ralph "Dixie" Dean ?Our GREATEST took his final breath at "God's Acre". Add Your Comments In order to post a comment, you need to be logged in as a registered user of the site. » Log in now Or Sign up as a ToffeeWeb Member — it's free, takes just a few minutes and will allow you to post your comments on articles and Talking Points submissions across the site. About these ads , placement: 'Below Article Thumbnails', target_type: 'mix' }); Find out how to browse ad-free and support ToffeeWeb © ToffeeWeb