Europa League, again.

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We have a chance to qualify for the Europa League. Some Evertonians don't like the idea. I see their point but, in my view, it is short-sighted. Will a Europa League campaign cost us Champions League football? Who knows; what I do think, though, is that Europa League football might just give some of our younger supporters memories that do not come round too often.

From a practical point of view, I think we would be ready. We will have Besic back, Bolasie will return. Our loanees will come back. We will have young players coming through. We will make new signings.

We can have a League Cup team and a Europa League team. We will have a strong enough squad. To me, we have no place disparaging European football – we should embrace it and set the standard.

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James Flynn
1 Posted 25/01/2017 at 17:29:11
I'm in favor at any time.

Regarding squad size and quality of player, that's supposed to be the main reason for enthusiasm with the new leadership and direction of the Club.

Dave Ganley
2 Posted 25/01/2017 at 21:04:19
Totally agree Andy. We've had some great Europa League nights. Fiorentina, Nuremburg are just 2 that spring to mind. As you say it gives fans the chance to go abroad supporting the blues and, let's face it, we always pack out our end and a lot of other areas too so I think that Everton supporters do have a healthy respect for the Europa League.

The problem the competition has as far as English clubs go is that a lot of clubs think they are Man utd or city or Chelsea who are, as a rule fighting competitions on several fronts as well as challenging for the league. The rest of us aren't winning much at all really so can't be fussy about a route to a trophy.

I'm a believer that winning is a good habit, whether it's in the league, Europe or domestic cups. I hate the tinkering around with reserve players in cup competitions. If a player is looking a bit jaded then rest him, if he's on fire then what's the point of resting him? I'm all for giving cup competitions their proper respect and while the group games are a pain in Europe it is still enjoyable.

Let's face it, if we can't cope with the Europa League then how the hell will we cope with the Champions League if we ever get there? It's good practise until we manage to qualify for the Champions League. I for one look forward to the Europa League, home and away.

Lee Courtliff
3 Posted 25/01/2017 at 21:06:58
I've always been a big fan of the Thursday Night Cup.

It's given us some decent nights over the last 10 years and we get to see some of our youth/squad players in action.

All this fatigue shit is just that, Shit! Thursday to Sunday is the same 3 break Champions League clubs get... and our worst run under Bobby was when the Europa League group stages had already finished.

Winning breeds confidence, etc.

Colin Glassar
4 Posted 25/01/2017 at 21:16:52
If Southampton win tonight, does that mean they get a Europa League place?
Jay Wood
5 Posted 25/01/2017 at 21:22:29
This one came up (again!) last week.

Quite simply, we need to be in Europe every season, whether it is the Champions League or the Europa League.

Not least of all because being in Europe every season lifts a club's coefficient ranking which improves your seeding in the draws.

Qualifying 'cold' for the Champions League with so few recent seasons in Europe seriously disadvantages Everton should we currently gatecrash that competition.

Eugene Ruane
6 Posted 25/01/2017 at 21:28:15
I agree, Lee (#3),

Just don't understand those who are so against the Europa League, not coz of the football particularly but because the trips are great (and I'm not getting any younger).

Even Lisbon when we got twatted was great.

Dave Abrahams
7 Posted 25/01/2017 at 22:03:30
Liverpool could be fighting to be in it next season after losing tonight's semi final versus Southampton, and the way Liverpool are playing I don't even feel like gloating, it is no surprise. But still great.
Tony Hill
8 Posted 25/01/2017 at 22:09:02
No, we mustn't gloat, Dave, we really mustn't. Come on Wolves.
Mike T Jones
9 Posted 25/01/2017 at 22:11:08
Gloat Dave and enjoy it
Rob Halligan
10 Posted 25/01/2017 at 22:18:34
Colin, only if they win it.

If Man Utd win it, Southampton don't qualify if Man Utd finish in the top six.

Lee Courtliff
11 Posted 25/01/2017 at 23:35:54
So if Man Utd win the League Cup, does 7th place get a Europa League place?

That would be great for us.

Lev Vellene
12 Posted 25/01/2017 at 23:56:26
I assume we'll go nowhere until otherwise proven... Oh, and I just saw that our lovable neighbours once again turned their noses up at one of the 'lesser' trophies that means nothing... ;D
Ray Robinson
13 Posted 25/01/2017 at 00:05:39
Lee, it still depends on who wins the FA Cup and the EFL Cup!

Top four get Champions League, 5th place gets Europa League. FA Cup Winners get a place in the Europa League (or runners up if the winners have already qualified for Europe) and EFL Cup winners get a place in the Europa League (not the runners up).

At the moment, only 5th place is guaranteed a place in the Europa League. However, If United win the EFL Cup and qualify for Europe via their league position, 6th place will qualify for the Europa League.

If both the FA Cup winners and runners up have already qualified for Europe via their league position or by having also won the EFL Cup, then - and only then - 7th place in the League will qualify for the Europa League.

That's my understanding anyway.

Colin Glassar
14 Posted 26/01/2017 at 00:10:22
After watching another instalment of the Klopp meltdown, I think they can be caught. Their legs have gone.
Gerry Morrison
15 Posted 26/01/2017 at 00:11:25
Ray,

Didn't they put a stop to the runners-up qualifying last year?

Ray Robinson
16 Posted 26/01/2017 at 00:14:40
Gerry, you might be right. I thought it was just the League Cup runners up that didn't get a place in Europe any more but ... who knows? It still takes a series of coinciding circumstances where all the stars align for 7th place to qualify though.

Actually, also come to think of it, the Europa League winners now qualify for the Champions League, so if an English team won the Europa League, the scenario I described above would change!

Peter McHugh
17 Posted 26/01/2017 at 00:18:42
Crystal clear Ray!
Ray Robinson
18 Posted 26/01/2017 at 00:22:32
Peter, it's so complicated, I don't think anyone will know until after the Cup Final (or possibly even after the Europa League final if an English team gets there!!).
John Pierce
19 Posted 26/01/2017 at 00:45:45
Chaps, only the winners of both cup competitions qualify for Europe.

Both spots will revert to places 6 and 7 should one or both winners already qualify for Europe through, finishing no lower than fifth or winning the Champions League or Europa League.

Oddly the FA Cup spot puts you straight into the group stages of the competition; should you finish 5th and the winner of the FA Cup finishes 4th or higher, then this spot benefit moves to 5th; 6th and 7th enter at one and two qualifying rounds away respectively.

All for the Europa League. Club needs to show ambition, all things flow through this competition to the next step. It would be very unlikely we make the jump to the Champions League in one huge step.

Lee Courtliff
20 Posted 26/01/2017 at 10:17:37
Thanks, Ray.

Palace didn't play in the Europa League this season so it must be the scenario described above. We are in a decent position to qualify as it stands.

You've got to fancy Man Utd to beat Hull and Southampton so all we need is one of the usual suspects to win the FA Cup and we can start booking Fridays off work again!

Brian Wilkinson
21 Posted 26/01/2017 at 12:27:54
Only half way through the season, do not rule us out of a top 4 just yet... Momentum is with Everton, some winnable games up to March, we have to go all out, even pick up a couple of one-nil ugly wins, but the fixture list is very kind, it's up to Everton to take full advantage of this.
Brian Furey
22 Posted 26/01/2017 at 12:57:19
Brian (#21),

I think you are being very hopeful if you think we can realistically get into the top 4. I cannot see us get into the top 6 as all those teams above us have really got themselves sorted from last year.

Before November, I thought Spurs and Man Utd might be catchable but both really went on good runs and are all capable of beating each other with only 6 points separating 2nd from 6th.

We are then winning the next race for 7th place which as the lads eventually sorted out above will be good enough for Europa League 3rd Rd qualifying. See last season

It used to go to the runners up of the FA Cup but now it goes to the next position so hopefully Man Utd and another top 6 team will win the FA Cup.

For fans to be questioning do we really want to get into the Europa league really need to have a look at themselves. We want to become one of the big boys again and improve each year and hopefully Moshiri and Koeman have already started those wheels moving. Our only European success was the Cup winners cup and the one year we qualified for the Champions League we got taught a few lessons.

We talk about players not wanting to come to a club who are not in Europe or outside London. Well we can't change our location but we can certainly provide players with a European platform and we saw how well Lukaku did on that platform 2 years ago as top scorer with 8 goals.

Sevilla finished 7th last year, 5th the year before, 5th in 2014, 9th in 2013 and 9th in 2012. Look how well they have done using the Europa League winning it 3 seasons in a row with Chelsea and Atletico Madrid before them.

A bit like the League Cup in England I think teams have a bad attitude towards it but to me it should be a HUGE stepping stone as realistically what is the point in coming 4th and struggling in the Champions League? We are not at that level as yet and look how Spurs went out so easily this season.

John Keating
23 Posted 26/01/2017 at 13:31:55
4th or 7th... keep well away from the Europa League places – my opinion
Thomas Lennon
24 Posted 26/01/2017 at 13:33:08
Arsenal, Spurs(?), Man City & Man Utd all still in European competition too - about to start up again so points will be dropped. We just have to keep winning, one game at a time.
Eugene Ruane
25 Posted 26/01/2017 at 13:35:27
John # 23 - A very well constructed and well thought-out argument and you certainly raise some very interesting points.

Debate is certainly alive and well on TW.

John Keating
26 Posted 26/01/2017 at 13:48:51
Thanks Eugene.

I spend a lot of time digesting all sides of the argument prior to stating my case.

Brian Denton
27 Posted 26/01/2017 at 14:09:06
Eugene, rapier rather than broadsword. A post to remember!
Eugene Ruane
28 Posted 26/01/2017 at 14:25:11
This made me laugh this morning.

Given the mighty reds have won one game in their last seven (Plymouth away) someone suggested that this might look like Mané returning from the AFCON.

Link

Colin Gee
29 Posted 26/01/2017 at 14:46:36
If we can have nights like Wolfsburg away again, then I would have the Europa League every season.

As for the qualification, then 7th would qualify for the 3rd Qualifying round of the Europa League, if Man Utd win the League Cup AND the Winners of the FA Cup also finish in a European place.

English clubs get three Europa League spots which are FA Cup Winners, 5th finish in the League and League Cup winners, if anyone qualifies for Europe 'twice' then the next team in the League that hasn't qualified then qualifies. Hope that makes sense!

Glad I bookmarked this site last time! It tells you everything you need to know...

https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/

Brian Denton
30 Posted 26/01/2017 at 14:52:17
Brilliant link, Eugene!
Chris Williams
31 Posted 26/01/2017 at 14:55:21
I see some fitness guru is gloating about Liverpool's performances. Apparently he said they'd run out of steam due to Klopp's methods.

Koeman on the other hand has said he expects Everton to finish strongly because of their fitness and conditioning.

Interesting to see how it plays out.

Mike Green
32 Posted 26/01/2017 at 15:00:26
We can still get into the Champions League. Easy.

Over the past 5 years 69-79 points have been enough. We've bagged 36 points so far, and have 48 available to us – which would give us 84 points, Champions League qualification (surely) and maybe even a tilt at the title if we win them all.

If you want to be REALLY pessimistic I reckon we can afford to drop 6-9 points between now and May and we've still got a good shout of Top 4 – especially if we drop those points to teams out of touch from us lower in the league.

Let's just go out and win every game and see where it gets us. No point over-complicating it.

Tony Hill
33 Posted 26/01/2017 at 15:03:29
I think we saw last night in his interview that Klopp is capable of being just as obnoxious as many of his predecessors; his eccentric's act comes undone at such times. Always the same, the RS, salt of the earth, full of humour and unfailingly noble – until they lose and then their inner gobshiteness is revealed.
Mike Green
34 Posted 26/01/2017 at 18:10:53
To be fair, Tony (#33), the opposition were somewhat unfairly sticking to a counter-attacking system and Liverpool were getting no luck from the ref.

Those new shoes can pinch a little when the boot's on the other foot! :D

Darren Hind
35 Posted 26/01/2017 at 19:13:51
"M,aybe even a tilt at the title if we win them all"

Get down the bookies Mike. You'll be invited to name your own odds...

Mike Green
36 Posted 26/01/2017 at 19:23:29
Good thinking, Darren! Looks like you can get 1000/1 almost everywhere, I'm not greedy though, that'll do me – it's like buying money. :)
Gareth Clark
37 Posted 26/01/2017 at 19:24:35
Martial on loan, anyone?

Not in the Man Utd squad & can't get a regular starting spot.

Stan Schofield
38 Posted 26/01/2017 at 20:10:16
Mike @34: Don't forget the wind, it was windy, made it very unfair.
Patrick Murphy
39 Posted 26/01/2017 at 20:21:42
Is Niasse going to cost Everton a possible place in Europe? He's just 'won' a penalty for Hull aided and abetted by Jon 'I have my own rules for the game' Moss.
Seamus McCrudden
40 Posted 26/01/2017 at 20:49:25
I would love to see him score against Man Utd. Come on, Oumar!
Tony Abrahams
41 Posted 26/01/2017 at 21:15:10
Even Swap him for Lukaku, Gareth!?
Patrick Murphy
42 Posted 26/01/2017 at 21:28:18
Niasse scores but I honestly can't remember seeing such an ungainly footballer... he makes Crouch look like a ballet dancer.
Ian McDowell
43 Posted 26/01/2017 at 21:30:05
dup
Craig Fletcher
44 Posted 26/01/2017 at 21:35:44
Oumar Niasse just scored against Manchester United a week after we loan him out. If there was ever an "Everton, that" moment, that was it!!!
�ystein Heggelund
45 Posted 26/01/2017 at 21:36:01
As poor as Niasse appears, his loan at Hull and scoring against Man Utd must surely make it more likely to get some of our money back in the summer.
Ian Bennett
46 Posted 26/01/2017 at 22:00:24
Hope he bangs them in, got to get some money back.
Lee Courtliff
47 Posted 26/01/2017 at 22:00:32
Come on lads...none of us can be surprised Niasse has scored!

He'll probably get about half-a-dozen between now and May. At least!!

Andy Meighan
48 Posted 26/01/2017 at 22:07:56
Great post from Brian (#22) and made a lot of sense.
Dan Egerton
49 Posted 27/01/2017 at 08:15:03
I've always supported Niasse. I only judge a player after a run of games and he hasnt had that, so I don't think he has earned our wrath. I remember when most Evertonians thought Naisy was too slow and not very skillful at first, and then a run of games later ... Same thing with Osman and Jags.
Dave Abrahams
50 Posted 27/01/2017 at 12:31:03
I understand all the good points of being in the Europa League, I really do... I just don't expect Everton to make the top four next season if we do.

If we progress to the final of this competition, of course it will be justified because we will be in The Champions League! It's a very big if.

If we don't, and that's a very small if, we will all most certainly have wasted another Premier League season because the Europa League handicaps your Premier League performances. Nevertheless I hope you all enjoy your trips in Europe, and that is being sincere.

Paul Ellam
51 Posted 27/01/2017 at 21:19:41
A club of our standing with our history, success and tradition should ALWAYS be wanting to compete in Europe, be it the Europa League or the Champions League.

Our ambition should be to win as many trophies as possible.

Darren Hind
52 Posted 28/01/2017 at 17:51:25
Agreed Paul, but that should apply to domestic competitions too . . we didn't exactly break our necks to win either of those
Tony Abrahams
53 Posted 28/01/2017 at 18:13:22
I might take you to one of those games, if we qualify Dave, it might even help to change your mind!
Dave Abrahams
54 Posted 28/01/2017 at 18:21:34
Tony (53) that will be great Tony, especially if once we get there we are drinking in different pubs.
Tony Abrahams
55 Posted 28/01/2017 at 18:32:30
We will be on different flights as well.
Dave Abrahams
56 Posted 28/01/2017 at 20:19:15
Tony (#55) hang on, who's going to carry me bag?
Tony Abrahams
57 Posted 28/01/2017 at 20:38:00
On second thoughts, Dave, you're better not going, mate, unless you go with your best son!
Dave Abrahams
58 Posted 29/01/2017 at 14:47:58
Tony ( 57 ), yes you are right I'll go with Michael and pay for him as well !!!!!!!

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