In the days just before the Coleman injury and the nonsense with Lukaku's contract my daily Everton time was spent contemplating Bramley Moore Dock.
I remember my Dad used to park outside it when he would take me and my sisters down to the Sunday market as kids, and I remember always being struck by the enormous brick pillars that stand, grandiose over the entrance. I haven't been in the 25+ years since, but the memory is still quite sharp, and always has been.
It got my thinking about how great it would be if the club retained them as part of the new stadium design, and then I did a bit of research and found out that these pillars, along with 2 other buildings in the complex at Bramley Moore Dock, are actually listed - so the club (or anyone else for that matter) can't take them down.
This begs the question - how will the club incorporate these older buildings into the new design for our new home? And, perhaps more pertinently, what does this restriction mean for the stadium design in general?
I started google imaging a number of brick-based stadiums. I know LucasOil Field in Indianapolis has been mentioned - and that is an impressive arena. Also - the Rangers stadium - Ibrox. That is older, but even the modern extensions have been based around the main brick stand that we all see whenever there is a reporter outside on the TV.
At this point I should confess to knowing very little about the intricacies of construction and the materials it takes to build a large stadium - but the elephant in the room is the presence of our billionaire owner's access to the steel industry. Does this mean that we will end up with a steel-based construction that deliberately contrasts itself to the 19th century brick around it. Something like the images we are seeing of the new Chelsea ground, or the Bird's Nest in China.
Perhaps the answer is a happy medium - something like SafeCo Field (home of the Seattle Mariners baseball team), which is built of modern materials, but maintains the look of the older buildings that are nearby.
Side-bar: Seattle, as a city, actually really reminds me of Liverpool. Has anyone been and felt the same?
Anyway - I just thought I would start a discussion about the overall look of the new stadium, what fans are expecting and what they would like to see. Nothing to do with capacity or number of corporate boxes, or even the presence of a dreaded running track. Just the architectural aesthetics and how we get it to match the listed buildings around the site.
Looking forward to sparking a positive discussion about something we can all get excited about.
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1 Posted 27/03/2017 at 19:40:26
2 Posted 27/03/2017 at 00:14:47
Only thing looking how much Lucas Oil Stadium cost — not sure how we would pay for it.
3 Posted 28/03/2017 at 01:12:30
4 Posted 28/03/2017 at 09:14:46
A quality stadium should be able to expand 3 or 4 sides in line with our progress.
So why spend big money on a fantastic exterior when in 10 years we will hopefully be extending it?
5 Posted 28/03/2017 at 09:31:12
Why all this obsession with a waterfront location? Are we building a marina or a practical and affordable football stadium?
7 Posted 28/03/2017 at 11:12:58
8 Posted 28/03/2017 at 11:34:09
9 Posted 28/03/2017 at 11:51:30
So any fancy design would surely be built over by the extension?
10 Posted 28/03/2017 at 12:01:23
So is the answer to have 4 independent stands and 4 independent corners (rather than a bowl)?
This is more likely to sit well with the surrounding architecture AND it allows for stand-by-stand expansion in the future.
11 Posted 28/03/2017 at 12:05:35
Three sides of that retract to create room for a running track. Perhaps 4 independent stands built on tracks would allow for a flexible capacity. That way we can control the cost of the operations for "lower profile" games (like early rounds of the cups), but then expand for the derby, Man Utd and Champions League games.
Maybe that is a bit too futuristic!?
12 Posted 28/03/2017 at 12:09:58
There were two sites on offer.
1) Bramley-Moore, a site in the centre(ish) of the city. A site in an area of re-generation. A visitor-friendly site close to hotels, buses, trains. A site that will make our stadium part of an iconic skyline.
2) Fucking Crocky.
My opinion is your fact-free, semantics-heavy, alehouse blowhard routine is getting very stale.
However, if I'm wrong, you could show me up by providing a detailed and factual (nb: no guesswork!) account of why 'The challenges which this god forsaken site presents will almost certainly prove too formidable for development to ever get past the preliminary stage.' And how you're more qualified to know what will happen than those who made the decision and will be putting the deal together.
(Waves empty glass "When you're ready, Maureen!... So yeah like I was sayin', the Incas invented beans on toast, like...")
13 Posted 28/03/2017 at 12:10:36
14 Posted 28/03/2017 at 12:10:51
But as to which kind of stadium. I love the Lucas Oil Stadium.It will stand the changing weather of fashion.
To help add to debate, this site shows some interesting ones Link
I like the Dortmund and Amsterdam designs too.
15 Posted 28/03/2017 at 12:14:51
16 Posted 28/03/2017 at 12:19:29
17 Posted 28/03/2017 at 12:28:42
18 Posted 28/03/2017 at 12:52:48
"You know what you are, you know what you are, oh Phil Walling, you know what you are".
And I hope they still serve (only) Chang for you.
19 Posted 28/03/2017 at 19:41:51
Looks as if the new ground is off. Some tree-hugger is warning us that by the year 2100 when Liverpool will be holding the Olympics, due to global warming, the stadium is more likely to be used for the swimming than the footy.
20 Posted 28/03/2017 at 20:06:38
Loving that, Brent. Goosebumps.
21 Posted 28/03/2017 at 20:18:20
I like the idea of closing the roof when it's pissing down, but leaving a section over the away supporters open.
22 Posted 28/03/2017 at 20:22:35
23 Posted 28/03/2017 at 20:35:44
Found this interesting quote on Castleford Tigers today on BBC sport and their new stadium plans (same as Everton really):
"Wheldon Road has been both an advantage and a disadvantage for Castleford, providing an intimate and sometimes intimidating atmosphere on match days, but lacking in modern facilities that other clubs benefit from in terms of revenue."
24 Posted 28/03/2017 at 20:39:26
25 Posted 28/03/2017 at 20:53:23
26 Posted 28/03/2017 at 21:37:22
27 Posted 29/03/2017 at 07:38:03
I thought that the lower section of the stadium could be done a bit like the Albert Dock area – red columns and brick cladding.
The upper section could be something different to allow future tiers to be added (constructing up and out).
28 Posted 29/03/2017 at 08:17:42
29 Posted 29/03/2017 at 08:56:50
So retaining features such as the Leitch criss-cross, a restoration of the old Main Stand Gable is a great way of nodding to our past without doing some stupid, pointless and expensive attempt at making it unique.
30 Posted 29/03/2017 at 15:59:11
31 Posted 29/03/2017 at 16:30:49
Yeah right. And who is predicting this? Some gobbie RS scum.
32 Posted 29/03/2017 at 16:54:54
Anybody who has sailed along the Mersey in seriously bad conditions (and I have) will be aware of how close the Mersey comes to overflowing its walls under the effect of high tides and low Atlantic air pressure. You may well like to take a look at the photographs taken in 2012 to be made aware of the fact that any building has to be made to withstand potential storm conditions in the area as well as any consequence tied to a technical concensus relating to the predicted rise in water level:
33 Posted 29/03/2017 at 16:57:15
34 Posted 29/03/2017 at 17:02:11
36 Posted 30/03/2017 at 14:09:31
37 Posted 30/03/2017 at 22:16:27
38 Posted 30/03/2017 at 23:33:15
39 Posted 31/03/2017 at 10:33:36
40 Posted 31/03/2017 at 18:40:41
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