The yob who punched Ross Barkley in the face on Sunday night, in what was a completely unprovoked attack, might have just been enough to tip the player into thinking about a move in the summer?
The goldfish bowl that can be living on Merseyside at times, for footballers in particular, is often an unforgiving place but it was a little stupid of Ross to be in a bar or a club (I presume in the city centre) on a Sunday night.
If he leaves Everton, it will be a real shame; he offers us something different, aside from the wonder pass for Lukaku's headed goal against Leicester.
Nearly all of Everton's prompting and probing on Sunday afternoon came from Barkley and he gives us an element of control when things are tight. I suppose I stand accused of wearing rose-tinted glasses, and I understand some of his play can be frustrating at times, but I can never agree with the pundits who want us to 'get rid' in the summer, particularly those who write on the pages of ToffeeWeb that he will never 'make a great player', and we should cash in now.
Like all players, he suffers dips in consistency, and it was interesting to see Vardy get subbed on Sunday afternoon for Leicester – this same player was scoring for fun last season, and was subject of a big bid from Arsenal, who clearly recognised his ability.
I'm not quite sure why Barkley raises so much vitriol in our fan base; it wasn't too long ago that we had some real journeymen playing in his position, yet I don't recall them getting a fraction of the criticism this player gets?
If he decides to pack his bags and go, watch the stampede of clubs willing to bid for him. So much for people saying he'll never make it as a top player.
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1 Posted 10/04/2017 at 19:22:30
I hope he does sign a new contract, but if he doesn't and wants to leave, that wouldn't surprise me. I can imagine him getting a bit pissed off with Koeman's repeated public airings of his assessments of Ross's 'so-called 'improvement'. I'm not seeing improvement as such, I'm seeing the Ross we know who can perform, returning to form (dependent on how Koeman chooses the tactics).
I can't imagine the bar incident would have much influence on whether Ross decides to stay or leave.
2 Posted 10/04/2017 at 19:32:00
3 Posted 10/04/2017 at 19:38:48
As to the Ross conundrum, I think that supporters get so animated about Ross, and also Lukaku, because we know what he, they can do but at times do so too seldom. To be fair to Ross, he has responded to Koeman this season and is playing much better and consistently than in previous seasons. How much damage has been done by Martinez is anybody guess but imo if Koeman had hold of him 3 years ago then I would think he would be a different player.
You are correct in that it was a fabulous ball played into Lukaku yesterday. Any goalscorer worth his salt would kill to get that kind of ball played to him. However, as with Lukaku, he needs to start stepping up to the plate and start delivering those kinds of balls against the top teams. The derby highlighted that he is not top drawer yet. He struggled to get into the game and 1 chance aside that Holgate should have buried, he didn't make any kind of mark on the game. United game was similar in that when on the break he made wrong decisions, easily got chased down and struggled with fitness late in the game when Lukaku was breaking. This doesn't mean he won't develop into the player we all hope he can be but he isn't remotely there yet. Coutinho game him a lesson in the derby and he's only a year older.
I'm not sure what holds Ross back at times. Whether it's a mental issue, if he doesn't have the belief or what but big games just bypasses him for most part. I hope he gets there. Maybe having Rooney alongside him will do wonders for him for belief and technical know how. I'm. Just not sure there would be a queue of top clubs banging on the door at the moment for his services given his displays on big games over the last few years. I hope he does step up and do it with us. We will have to wait and see.
4 Posted 10/04/2017 at 22:44:00
Whilst I don't expect Ross to stay at home playing cards or settling down with a good book for the night, I still maintain he was unwise to venture into venues of this sort.
Having been out in Liverpool recently, it was a Saturday night in fairness, it's not for the fainthearted, particularly down Slater St, you need to witness it yourself to get a good idea.
I stick to my guns, it was not a good idea to venture into these haunts, without some protection, or a bunch of good mates.
5 Posted 10/04/2017 at 23:30:53
On the positive side, you can reference a phrase that may be repeated but never duplicated, "astounding garbage!"
6 Posted 11/04/2017 at 00:08:59
I'm not sure about 'victim blaming', I'm in no way trying to condone the actions of a thug, I'm merely stating that it wasn't the brightest action by Ross frequenting a city centre bar on a Sunday night, however I've had worse things than 'astounding garbage' thrown at me before...
7 Posted 11/04/2017 at 09:52:59
Steve might be incorrect in saying that Ross was a little stupid, but he cannot be accused of blaming him for what happened. He's simply expressing an opinion on how sensible it was for Ross to go into that bar.
8 Posted 11/04/2017 at 10:07:36
9 Posted 11/04/2017 at 10:09:22
10 Posted 11/04/2017 at 10:17:46
As a local lad, the pressures weigh heavily on Ross. If he has made enemies in the city, and this incident is related to a long running feud, then it certainly could influence his decision on whether to stay or leave.
He may feel a fresh start in London will allow him to move on from these unsavoury elements. Yes, there's scum in all cities, but Ross has no baggage in London. As a local lad, he's always going to be more of a target, especially if he has grown up with some of these hoodlums.
We only see Ross on the pitch, and if he doesn't perform we often assume his confidence is low or that it's just one of those days.
We don't actually know what is going on in Ross's private life or how that may affect his performances.
Of course, this is all conjecture based on some media reports and tweets, but leaving Everton may have nothing to do with Koeman or our ambition, and all to do with escaping the environment he finds himself in.
11 Posted 11/04/2017 at 11:11:33
But that's all beside the point. Some people think Ross was wrong to be in a city centre bar, full stop. Personally I can't see a problem with anyone having a night out on his/her day off. Stevie me lar, Pienaar, Fowler, Gibson etc have all had problems in town but that shouldn't make it a no-go zone.
The last time I was there (during the week) was on Ladies Day two years ago. The place was full of 5ft-2in shaven headed, suited yobs with their orange faced birds wobbling on 12" heels in tight fitting dresses showing more spare tyres than a Formula 1 pit stop. I'm not sure who was more threatening, the wannabe gangsters or their gum chewing molls.
"Who the fucking hell are you looking at, twatface?" was the most used expression.
13 Posted 11/04/2017 at 11:27:15
I'm not sure that access to wealth and the use of violence are mutually exclusive, therefore, I don't think that any of the 'hoodlums' would be 'priced out' of any city centre venue. After all, those sort of people tend to make their money from illicit means and have lots of it, which is not the way most of us earn our meagre livings.
I'm pretty sure that those with money are just as capable of being knobs and pissheads, as the rest of society.
14 Posted 11/04/2017 at 11:28:08
Widely covered at the time and nothing more than an insecure ex of Barkley's dating a dealer not canny enough to avoid conviction (or spell 'what' judging by the tweets from a few years back).
If Barkley leaves Everton this summer it will have nothing to do with a sensationalised "feud" with some Toynails Mefftenner 'gangster', a girl or getting bashed in a bar.
The blame will lie squarely on the shoulders of the club for the sloppy way they've handled his contract situation; taking the lads loyalty as a given, publicly proclaiming tying him down to a new deal to be "not a priority" (whilst dishing out deals to others behind Barkley in the queue), before further compounding matters by permitting a manager with the feather touch of fucking Emu, after it threw itself on Rod Hull's casket mid cremation, to crank up the heat by firing off unnecessary ultimatums in front of the camera.
People might look upon Liverpool as some stifling, hostile, environment Barkley must Virgil Hilts his way out off in order to veer away from harm always likely to come his way, but they're conveniently forgetting the massive majority of decent people in the city who, with no ulterior motive whatsoever, would welcome him wherever he may show his face, will always have his back and watch out for him if they can, simply because they want nothing but the best for both him and the club.
Moving to London may mean there are less people who give a fuck about him, but the flipside is exactly the same: there are less people who give a fuck about him.
15 Posted 11/04/2017 at 11:41:47
16 Posted 11/04/2017 at 11:47:29
I've always felt that as a true blue, Ross is one player that may actually read this website. How would you feel reading some of the comments on here about yourself?
I would imagine there is more to this contract impasse (if that's what this is) than Koeman's handling of the situation. He won't be the one involved in the negotiations, and he has made it clear that he wants Ross to stay. He may not pander to him, but that's not his style. The fact that he gives him a free role and plays him every week should go someway to making him feel appreciated.
17 Posted 11/04/2017 at 12:10:59
18 Posted 11/04/2017 at 12:44:25
In the video of the incident, the big guy standing to one side knew something was brewing he kept watching and jumped in as soon as Barkley was struck. It happens, envy, jealousy, hatred, rivalry or dare I say it a disillusioned blue.
19 Posted 11/04/2017 at 14:13:12
Barkley was chinned by a mutant, it happens every weekend in a bar of sorts in every town or city, it's par for the course if you go out to these places where there are already mutant knuckleheads but when you have got doped/boozed up knuckleheads it's a recipe for shit.
I doubt it will influence Barkley's future plans, he's been a good player but still not a consistently great player in the games that matter when it means us moving to the next level.
Be great to see him stay even one more year, see if he can improve the areas needed and flourish but, if he goes, he'll be easier to replace than Lukaku.
Replacing someone who scores 20 plus goals a season is much more a dilemma.
20 Posted 11/04/2017 at 14:33:25
So, as always in the modern game ,the player has all the power. I know he complained some months back about Koeman having a go at him publicly. So maybe that made his mind up that it was time to leave. Obviously Barkley is in a different place to Lukaku who has still more than 2 years of his contract to go. But I don't think Koeman would want both to leave.
21 Posted 11/04/2017 at 15:09:53
It's commonsense for a 'celebrity' to expect attention when out and about anywhere. Especially out and about in a place where copious amounts of alcohol are drank by meatheads.
No one should ever question anyone's desire for recreation, but commonsense should be used.
IMO I don't think this will have made up Ross Barkley's mind on his contract. I'd imagine there are an extra few thousand things which may help him to stay at EFC.
22 Posted 11/04/2017 at 18:09:50
23 Posted 11/04/2017 at 18:12:46
24 Posted 11/04/2017 at 23:08:59
Really? Like who? West Brom? He wouldn't get in any side in the top six.
Any how is he already a 'top player'????? Top players don't lose it a lot or dilly dally with the ball not knowing what to do with it. Top players don't have poor decision making skills. Hazard is a top player, are they in the same bracket?
Good player, but top player my arse.
25 Posted 12/04/2017 at 01:51:13
I love him and know the majority of Evertonians do too, stay and bring us back to greatness lad, in fact lead us there!
26 Posted 12/04/2017 at 12:30:36
I wonder if the club are taking his loyalty for granted and are not offering him anything like the Lukaku package. I know everyone in football earns ridiculous amounts of money but there is a hierarchy in every club.
The new players probably come in on top money while the long term established players don't always benefit. What ever the story I definitely want him to stay.
27 Posted 12/04/2017 at 17:37:50
I'd like Ross to stay, but he clearly has other ideas and he won't be difficult to replace we need a better more effective player in that position to seriously challenge for the title. And there won't be a stampede of top clubs to sign him he wouldn't get a regular place in any of the top 6.
I hope whoever clumped Ross gets his just deserts.
28 Posted 12/04/2017 at 18:20:16
We all know what you think of Barkley! You bounce on threads that had nothing too do with Ross to wind up the barrel-organ. You climb all over the Live Forum to slam Ross and then disappear when (as he often does) he does something wonderful.
Always the same. The tone and tenor never changes... We know!!!!!! It is so unremittingly boring!
I respect your opinion although it is wrong and is now less an opinion than an ideology. But could you please for say a day leave it alone.
Thank Sheeds you are in a tiny minority.
29 Posted 12/04/2017 at 19:08:36
30 Posted 12/04/2017 at 19:24:13
There's nothing upmarket about Slater Street, believe me. The word among the younger fraternity is Barkley was two-footing this lad's girlfriend Two-footing [no me neither]... and this chap is a boxer, hence the knockout blow
Then again, these sort of rumours have been doing the rounds since I was a kid. Gary Jones owed gangsters from the south end thousands... Souness was banging one of the Fitzy's wives [who?] and they are going to break his legs... Dalglish was knobbing Beardsley's missus...
The list is endless. All shite, of course... but some people believe anything. As me old grandmother used to say, "Today's news is tomorrow's chip paper!"
31 Posted 12/04/2017 at 19:31:48
Ross came back from a terrible injury that could have finished him, he came back with an aversion to the tackle and he was then fucked about mercilessly by successive managers.
In terms of seeing the big picture on the pitch like Scholes and Lampard (macro players) he isn't the best but on the other hand his skills (micro player) are amongst the best and he's beginning to use these skills for the overall good. He is what he is by virtue of his genes and will be limited in how good he can become despite his massive skills; he hasn't reached his potential yet.
It's interesting that some are calling for us to get rid of Ross. The likelihood is that Ross may get rid of us and I don't blame him one little bit. We can replace him but it will be at a much higher price; it'd be managerial idiocy to let this happen.
32 Posted 13/04/2017 at 00:28:27
Damian (#24) I'd let your bottom do the talking in future because it's hit the nail on the head.
33 Posted 13/04/2017 at 11:32:26
Ross has 1 year left, Rom 2, yet which squeaky wheel is getting all the grease?
Or has Koeman internally hinted that as he's got the main man to sort out, plus all the other gaps he has to fill / improve, etc. he's not arsed either way... there's the deal, sign it or not, if you do, you do, if you don't, we'll cash in and sell you on that's the way I read Koeman's recent statement.
34 Posted 13/04/2017 at 11:57:57
I am, of course, only joking.
35 Posted 13/04/2017 at 12:00:16
It's not too late to turn it around but shut Koeman up and start working behind the scenes.
36 Posted 13/04/2017 at 12:04:26
37 Posted 13/04/2017 at 12:25:57
Good to see you back, Mr Ferry. We need some of your common sense on here.
38 Posted 13/04/2017 at 12:34:53
Suppose it depends where you choose to go in Slater Street, although I presume you mean the whole outside area can be dodgy.
Nowt wrong with the Shipping Forecast, Jacaranda or Marlborough (aka O'Briens) all on the same block. Mind you, the Marlborough still has the smallest, narrowest gent's bog in the world; if you squeeze past the urinal users to get to the WC, you'll probably have to get engaged to one of them
39 Posted 13/04/2017 at 15:30:28
40 Posted 13/04/2017 at 15:59:34
Chelsea? Nope. City? Nope. Liverpool? Possibly... but he would have to be crazy. Spurs? Nope.
From the press reports (which count for nowt) Spurs are interested, but I can't see him getting in their first 11. He would get game time but not be the main man.
And here's what I think That would suit him. Being part of a team rather than the focus. Right now, he is under the spotlight every game, at Spurs he would be just one of a number of high profile players. With Champions League football they will need a bigger squad, and a player of Barkley's quality wont often come on the market with only a year left on his contract.
I think he will go, along with Rom. And whilst I would rather they both stayed it doesn't fill me with despair if they went. Barkley is a good player who may just turn out to be a great, but we look to him too often to be the one who grabs the game and does something special. He's the local lad we all want to succeed, but that probably blinds us to what else is available elsewhere. Josh King has banged in goals this season in an average team, for an example.
Rom's a different animal altogether. Losing him will suck, as he really is a class striker. But if he gets injured we have no real back up. If he leaves, his fee would finance 2 decent players. Liverpool play with 3 good attacking forwards, we play with one outstanding striker. They have scored 11 more goals this season so far...
41 Posted 13/04/2017 at 16:19:14
42 Posted 13/04/2017 at 16:30:08
Ross does not score enough goals plus his footballing brain has not improved, so at 24, if Ronald and his brother Erwin seem relaxed about him moving on, then all Evertonians should be confident that they have a top class replacement (and team-improving) player coming in.
43 Posted 13/04/2017 at 16:36:49
44 Posted 13/04/2017 at 16:56:08
During talks with Koeman, Ross apparently said he'd like Champions League. Koeman's reply was "So would I!"
I believe Ross can fulfil his ambitions with us. Get him and Lukaku signed up ASAP. In the summer, a new goalkeeper, right back, 2 centre halves and a forward should be the priority.
We should be well off for midfielders, and Brendan Galloway as cover for left back, should see us mount a serious challenge for the top four next season.
45 Posted 13/04/2017 at 16:57:59
Battling it out with Adam? Seriously?
46 Posted 13/04/2017 at 17:04:58
I didnt talk about the whole squad, but highlighted their forwards. Even discounting Sturridge they have a fluid attacking set up that shares the scoring burden. We have an exceptional striker, but once isolated tends to be ineffective.
Your opinion is as valid as anyones. Fair enough. But can you really say that currently Everton are really up there? Comfortably beaten by both Spurs and Liverpool. Defended well at Old Trafford but got the same result as many teams below us in the Premier League there.
It's obvious the improvement from the past two seasons, but to really challenge we need more than a good striker. Imagine if he got seriously injured? Who fills the void?
Liverpool lost Mane, they still have 3 players who would get into our first team up front.
47 Posted 13/04/2017 at 17:40:05
I know it's only a 'could have', but at least what I'm saying is plausible, which is why some of the away results have been so frustrating. During most of the past couple of decades there's no way I would have been saying we're on a par, but it's different now, and I'm trying to be as objective as I can about it. Yes, their front 3 are good, but not as good as many make out.
48 Posted 13/04/2017 at 18:01:58
49 Posted 13/04/2017 at 18:06:02
The gap is narrowing, not just on Liverpool, but on the top 6. Still, there is a way to go yet, and I believe that the way to narrow it further is to have a better squad overall. Look at the fees for Mane, Gabbiadini, Sane. All cost less than Rom.
50 Posted 13/04/2017 at 18:15:35
I actually think Everton would be better off without Barkley. As cruel as that sounds, the direction the club is heading in we can now afford to buy a proper playmaker. This should be a priority because Barkley does not have the intelligence to play that role.
In an ideal world we would keep Barkley and bring in someone like Tielemans or Sigurdsson. We will be fighting on 4 fronts next season and need 2 quality players for each position.
51 Posted 13/04/2017 at 18:20:15
Goodbye then, Ross, hope you enjoy being Rooney Mk 2... unbelievable.
52 Posted 13/04/2017 at 18:27:21
Sorry, but if Lukaku and Barkley wanted Champions League football so bad, why'd they continuously bottle it wherever we get close to achieving something!
Champions League my arse! It's like most spoilt children nowadays! A sense of entitlement without putting the fucking graft in!
Silly me! I, like all Evertonians, have been very happy with continued failures over the last 3¾ seasons! Obviously, we want to win fuck all...so these two players bow to our desires and win fuck all
Grow a pair and fight to be a success at EFC!!!
53 Posted 13/04/2017 at 18:29:21
54 Posted 13/04/2017 at 18:36:59
Does the name of this bar translate in to bar to go "If you want to get filled in by drunken coked up Bellends ? If not it should be avoided by anyone wishing not to get punched. Santa's is a dodgey moody gaff and most people do avoid it. So It has to be a question of Barkley not engaging the brain as per usual.
I say sell Ross to highest bidder and have done with it. To be honest the only thing I see Barkley doing on a consistent basis is massive huge gobs of spit when ever he losses the ball... Not a pretty sight. Sell, Sell, Sell.
55 Posted 13/04/2017 at 18:41:43
This Champions League malarkey just sounds hollow and insults the intelligence.
56 Posted 13/04/2017 at 19:12:48
Billy big bollocks can fuck off to Chelsea if he wants for vast sums of money and if Ross wants to go then same applies. If they don't want to be here then so be it. No one is irreplaceable.
Regardless of what some think on here they just don't do it on a consistent basis against the bigger clubs. Potential maybe, but definitely not the superstars some would have us believe yet.
57 Posted 13/04/2017 at 19:27:37
So just make sure you get the going rate for these 2 which should be well over £100 million. Then let Walsh and Koeman find their replacements. Also, there will be money from the sale of Niasse and possibly Deulofeu as well as the Cleverley money. So I am quite excited to see who we sign.
58 Posted 13/04/2017 at 20:55:18
Koeman merely quoted him as saying he wants Champions League footy... just like Koeman himself and everyone else at the club. That and not yet signing his contract do not add up to "noise" about looking elsewhere, IMO.
59 Posted 13/04/2017 at 23:56:55
He is like the B student in school who occasionally can produce a B+ or even, A level, assignment. Nice but it doesn't make him anything other than a B level performer. He is not under-performing, he is pretty much playing to the back of his baseball card.
His "occasional dips in form" are not that at all. In order for there to be a dip in form, the player must respond with a prolonged period of good form. That excludes Ross.
I just do not see him ever being world class. His exclusion from the PFA lists shows that he is not even regarded as Premier League class. He is not one whom I would build a team around unless it is in the Championship or a team wanting to remain in the lower level of the Premier League. Sell him to the next team that is willing to pay for his "potential".
61 Posted 14/04/2017 at 20:37:42
Ross is improving month to month, he is just beginning to assert himself on every game, his confidence is building and I think we will start to see more a few more goals from him as he rounds into a complete player.
Lukaku is improving also but he will not get the minutes in any squad that is more competitive than Everton's and he won't have the luxury of the whole team tailoring it's play to accommodate his 'not over exerting himself' style of play.
Everton would surely be changing that style anyway if they are to continue to improve they need two fast mobile strikers plus back ups who can hold the ball up and pass it, who will pressure the opposing defenders when they lose it.
It's great to have Rom don't get me wrong but ideally with more fluidity we would be less vulnerable to periods when our ability to score dips if the goals were being generated by four or five players rather than one.
£70M for Rom I'd take it. £30M for Ross never.
62 Posted 15/04/2017 at 17:38:51
63 Posted 15/04/2017 at 17:48:12
So he is playing to form perhaps? Sorry, that's all I've got.
64 Posted 15/04/2017 at 18:43:24
65 Posted 15/04/2017 at 19:04:31
66 Posted 16/04/2017 at 03:13:32
68 Posted 16/04/2017 at 12:43:15
It's not the job of any fan to suggest where footballers should be in their free time. Plus the fact Koeman said he was behaving properly. It amazes me how often a fan thinks they can judge a players private life.
The fact it is being called un-provoked suggests it could have happened anywhere. Ross Barkley and every other human should be able to walk down any street or step into any building without being punched for no good reason.
69 Posted 16/04/2017 at 22:28:09
Funny after his best season under the development of a former world class player and good manager, he refuses a new contract. If Barkley is entering his last season of a contract, then £30-35 million is about right. It's not about potential but final year dictates the fee.
I would love him to sign just for the loyalty shown by the club in giving him a bumper contract a few years ago.
I am an old romantic at heart but the modern day footballer wants more. Rooney did it and we survived. Those who go should never return.
70 Posted 23/04/2017 at 16:04:21
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