Believe me when I say am over the moon that it looks like we are building a new squad that will hopefully get us in the top 4 but I still have doubts...
Has Mr Moshiri really spent any money as yet or are we spending the up-coming Lukaku money?
Hopefully we will have any transfer money we get in to spend as well but, if we look at the amount we have received for Stones and the amount we actually spent over the last two windows, I don't think he has spent that much in football terms.
Or is it just my glass half-empty?
Reader Comments (53)
Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer
1 Posted 16/06/2017 at 07:21:08
Definitely think your glass is half-empty!
2 Posted 16/06/2017 at 07:25:16
3 Posted 16/06/2017 at 07:41:48
This club has already spent £50 million and is about to spend £20 million more, filling critical needs and improving ourselves significantly... and all in the FIRST WEEK of the window, not the last 30 minutes as usual.
And it's all out-of-pocket, Moshiri's pocket. We didn't wait to sell. There is NO Lukaku money... until there is. So far, we know of no-one who has made an offer for him, or for Barkley. This is commitment. Work getting done and obviously more to come. And yet for a guy who claims to be "over the moon" you sound like a toothache.
You're not the only one for whom pessimism has become ingrained, however. This was the first post on ESPNFC today after the article announcing the Klaasen signing:
Good signing but Pickford price slightly steep with one season experience.
What a miss on McGuire as probably pay too much focus on Klaassen n Pickford. I would think he is a steal with 17 mil pound
That's right, this pissant was moaning about missing out on Dump Truck Maguire after we signed two top players.
I said this earlier today on another thread... I swear there are TW Evertonians who would boo a sunset.
4 Posted 16/06/2017 at 09:46:09
We would wait until the last day of the transfer window so we could save on players' wages. We had to sell before we could buy. We had to shop in the bargain basement for loanees, or unwanted players from big clubs. We had to have the okay off the biggest spiv in London before we could sign anyone a man who didn't give a flying fuck about the club. We were a laughing stock, make no mistake.
Have things changed? Just a bit!
5 Posted 16/06/2017 at 10:00:55
"Or is it just my glass half-empty?"
I think you might have just drained it!
6 Posted 16/06/2017 at 10:01:12
Imagine signing Niang, Sandro and Keane, for another £45 Mil, to go with the £50 Million, we have just spent, then selling Lukaku, for £80 Mil? If Barkley, goes as well we would be in profit, and could possibly sign another couple of big players, for another £50/60 Million, and the club, will have only spent around £40 Million, on a major overhaul, especially if Deulofeu goes as well?
As I said, spend the money wisely, and completely change the attitude of our whole club!
7 Posted 16/06/2017 at 10:20:43
What I can say is that we're going out and paying top dollar for exciting young players and doing it very early, giving us time to involve them in our pre-season.
That's great to see, regardless of what happens next.
8 Posted 16/06/2017 at 10:21:25
Doesn't appear to me that there's too many suitors yet for Lukaku at the price demanded from the club. Moshiri is currently speaking loudly with his wallet which means that he is unlikely to bend over to Man Utd or Chelsea when they come calling like the club would have in the past.
9 Posted 16/06/2017 at 10:24:53
How long before the Arteta money gets dragged up or references to Bill looking down the back of his sofa. Let's try and be a bit more positive, eh? Let's enjoy it, I mean, the RS fans are brickin' it, us having money.
Sunset? BOOOOOOOO!! And that goes for yer feckin' sunrise, too.
10 Posted 16/06/2017 at 10:27:59
11 Posted 16/06/2017 at 10:28:46
12 Posted 16/06/2017 at 10:41:34
Moshiri can't just give us £200 million as the rules prevent him doing so. Another way to keep the big clubs big.
13 Posted 16/06/2017 at 10:42:59
Who would have thought that the Ajax captain, who was their 2nd top scorer last year would have been so keen to come to Everton. Moshiri knew paying £6M for Koeman was a lot but he also knew he would have appeal to players to come play for him.
Pickford will be thinking he wants to become the England No 1 keeper this year for next years world cup so he wants to be playing regular football and a top 7 club with an ambitious manager and owner.
We have already made quite an impression among the football world that we mean business and are not gonna sit around waiting to see what Lukaku and Barkley will do.
Maybe it will help make up the mind of Sandro, who I get the feeling wants to take his time and see if any better offers come along. He should be thinking now, here is a club who have signed the new England No 1 keeper and the Ajax (and maybe Dutch) captain so do I want to be part of this project?
14 Posted 16/06/2017 at 10:44:43
Pickford £25m (rising to £30m etc.)
Klaassen £24m (with change)
Keane £25m (rising to £30m etc)
In exchange, I would bite their hands off.
15 Posted 16/06/2017 at 10:45:34
16 Posted 16/06/2017 at 10:47:24
Or we've agreed to sell the mouthy feck? Or maybe, just maybe, don't worry about it, and enjoy the new locker names being printed at Finch Farm (sorry, Niasse, no offence).
But on more pressing and important issues, does anyone know the answer to the next two questions: What has happened with the Sandro deal?
And should footy/footie end in a 'y' or an 'ie',?
ps: The answer is 'y'; no response needed.
17 Posted 16/06/2017 at 11:36:42
Ernie, to be fair, I don't give a monkey's where the money comes from providing we're doing things correctly and above board. Be it out of hiss own pocket or due to the fact that the club makes a profit which is then ploughed back into EFC. The fact is he's moving the club forward at a speed we could only dream about two years ago.
See above. And let's hope we need to expand the locker room to make sure all the new signings get one.
18 Posted 16/06/2017 at 12:34:57
But the point I was making was not because I am not happy but because everyone keeps saying it's Moshiri's money but it's not.
It's more because we are being ran better and if selling Rom and Ross is part of that, great... but it's Everton's money not Moshiri's.
19 Posted 16/06/2017 at 12:45:42
Since Moshiri is in practice the owner of Everton (I know, just 49,9% of the shares...) it is not really relevant what you want to call the source of the money.
20 Posted 16/06/2017 at 12:49:22
In: Klaassen, Pickford, Niang, Sandro, Keane and hopefully a few more.
Are we a better team with that scenario panning out? Of course we are!
21 Posted 16/06/2017 at 13:09:59
The chronology of our outgoings and incomings is clearly different from previous years.
In the Premier League era, Everton has never 'gone large' FIRST on purchases without first having sold and put money into the transfer kitty. Our model has long been waiting as late as possible in the transfer window before making any purchase large, medium, free or loan.
To me, the last 48 hours has shown a quicker, slicker and far more professional approach to our dealings in the market.
We have seen Walsh in Italy pursuing targets. We sent reps to Poland to ensure Pickford underwent a medical and signed. That included a camera crew to record and interview the lad. We transported Klaassen to Finch Farm to again get the deal down and recorded an interview with him.
That is evidence of a team working on deals, not dear ole Bill at the centre of all transactions.
We will only know when the transfer window shuts how the books balance, who has left, who has arrived and whether we are stronger than when the window opened.
Possibly Lukaku and Barkley will both leave and the funds generated by their sale will have largely funded our purchases. Who cares? To me, that shows prudent management. At least we are being pro-active rather than re-active.
And, who knows? The quality of these early signings, the price paid and the earliness of the dealings may also have the following consequences:
● It may make both Lukaku and Barkley sit up and think: "Hang on! Everton is being serious! Something is happening here that may be worth sticking around for and being a part of."
● It flags up to other players the club has targeted the same thing that Everton is a club on the up and well worth considering as an option.
I agree with Erik Dols. Your concerns are rather semantic. Me? I'll enjoy Everton being right up there as (currently) one of the summer's big spenders.
BTW, Erik. Thanks for your post in the Klaassen thread about how his and Barkley's stats compare. Good read.
22 Posted 16/06/2017 at 13:14:32
The window hasn't even opened yet and we've already agreed two transfers for £50m+! And this without having sold anyone yet. That's already the record for most spent in any Everton transfer window, ever! With more to come.
It's likely we'll have signed 5-6 new players this summer, and all looking like proper first teamers and not the perennial 'one for the future'.
Cheer the fuck up and go out for a walk in the sunshine or whatever takes the grimace off your face. Seems people have gotten so used to moaning that they can't see a good thing when it kicks them up the backside.
23 Posted 16/06/2017 at 13:17:26
Also, I suspect that when we have £80 + million in the bank from selling Lukaku or whoever then the prices for the players we're looking at will go up accordingly... we may have even got Pickford for less than if we'd bought him in August!
24 Posted 16/06/2017 at 13:35:13
We've just spent big money on two players and it's mid June!! We are linked with a string of others, and have certainly spoken to Sandro, and seemingly Niang (even if most of us do not want him). It does not matter if Lukaku is subsequently sold we are spending money now, and addressing weaknesses in our squad.
As I said a few days ago, we need to invest in a goalkeeper, a left back, a cb, a creative midfielder, another striker, a Barkley replacement if he leaves, and a Lukaku replacement if he leaves. The importance for us is in buying quality replacements, especially for the first team spots.
If these come in for £130mil, and we sell Barkley and Lukaku for £100mil, then that is great work. So far, we've made £20mil plus deals for two important players - Pickford can be our goalie for years to come, and whilst Klaasen is not a truly creative player, he can create and will bring some of the goals we lack from midfield. We've now signed four players for over £20mil in the last year.
I can't see how, realistically, this window could be going any better. Yet there is still such entrenched negativity. This is not the 80s and we are not title contenders we came seventh last season, and finished in the bottom half in the two seasons before that. Clearly we are ambitious, with a new stadium on the horizon, a new sponsorship deal, and our gross spending surely smashing last season's record gross spend.
We've got a superb manager, a great director of football, and a new owner who won't leave us without a pot to piss in. Can we not just enjoy these buys and this movement, without an incessant shift to negativity?
I've seen a post decrying our two buys and Sandro interest because apparently the teams above us were not interested (when they were). I've seen many talking about a continuation of the Bill era before the window even opened. After confirming two massive buys, we have another post that seems oddly out of sync with the reality of those buys.
This is just energy sapping, and completely unnecessary..
25 Posted 16/06/2017 at 14:02:31
Our last four signings cost us over 100 million. That kind of spending sets us apart from WBA and Stoke the kind of teams we've been shopping in the same stores as for 25 years.
Lukaku may well leave. But that doesn't mean this is all a hoax and we are small time. Even the mighty Barcelona and Real Madrid lose good players for one reason or another.
26 Posted 16/06/2017 at 14:14:33
It's getting like North Korea on here: dissent will not be tolerated and you must adhere to the groupthink of chairman Ron; otherwise, you are a traitor to the cause.
27 Posted 16/06/2017 at 14:14:40
I liked this post from The People's Forum earlier today, listing some of the characteristic recent responses from a section of the fanbase:
We don't spend enough
We spend too much
We leave it too late
We're rushing in
I've never heard of him.
If he was any good, the Champions League clubs would snap him up.
If he was any good, Ajax would have beaten Man Utd in that one game I saw him play in.
Therefore, he freezes in big games.
I'd rather we signed Joe Hart, Butland, Schmeichel etc.
Too much for an unproven keeper
He's only 6ft / 5.11 / 6.1
Why hasn't Sandro signed yet?
It's typical Everton
Bill's still in charge so it's going to go wrong
I'm sure this is scratching the surface of some of the corkers on here.
28 Posted 16/06/2017 at 14:37:28
29 Posted 16/06/2017 at 14:44:11
Tough one! What d'ya get a centurion who already has everything?!
31 Posted 16/06/2017 at 14:52:56
Ray (#9), thanks for my morning laugh. Booing the sunrise now.
Ed (#26), that's just ridiculous. Nobody's accusing anybody of treason... just dereliction of optimism. And in your case, disbelief that you can find reason for pessimism in the "purchases Koeman has made thus far":
Gueye - brilliant
Lookman - brilliant
Schneiderlin - brilliant
Calvert-Lewin - brilliant, especially for £1.5 million
Williams - okay
Stekelenburg - okay, especially on a free
Bolasie - To be determined next year
I'd say he's got a pretty terrific batting average so far.
32 Posted 16/06/2017 at 15:04:52
33 Posted 16/06/2017 at 15:42:25
I haven't felt this optimistic for a long time.
New stadium; top class players; winning the Premier League 2; contributing significantly to an England U20 World Cup win; potential Commonwealth Games at our ground... and the media finally taking notice of us.
34 Posted 16/06/2017 at 16:01:46
I'd admire your gung-ho optimism but I am afraid, having watched all of those players last season, my judgement is far more tentative:
Calvert-Lewin could become a good Premier League player
Lookman ditto; £11m for potential?
However time will tell with the youngsters, it's the other purchases I'm calling into question:
Williams not okay at all; poor investment for £12m.
Stekelenburg not okay at all; couldn't get a game at Fulham and we spent £1m!
Schneiderlin brilliant??? I don't think so; he is a good steady Premier League player, as he proved at Southampton but worth £20m?
Bolasie £22.5; when people moan about Barkley, Mirallas being inconsistent, they need to speak to Palace fans about Bolasie!
Gueye a good quality Premier League footballer and a steal at £7m; the only deal I have no doubts over.
Things I don't doubt is we served up some of the most turgid football I've seen by Everton with a manger given more money and resources than any other.
35 Posted 16/06/2017 at 16:23:51
Penicillin Dave?! Call yerself an Evertonian?!
Where's yer club loyalty?
I thought a decrepit old bugger like you would go for a certain little BLUE tab to uhm! 'invigorate' your aching 'bones'.
36 Posted 16/06/2017 at 16:29:02
37 Posted 16/06/2017 at 16:45:29
Couldn't care less whether Stekelenburg got games at Fulham. He was adequate for us, which is all we needed at the time until we could get the keeper we wanted.
And if you really think Schneiderlin is nothing more than a "good steady premiership player as he proved at Southampton"... and he hasn't proven to be far more than that for us... then you and I are on different planets. Brilliant is absolutely the word for him.
38 Posted 16/06/2017 at 17:05:39
It's called 'difference of opinion', guys! What do they say, where all think alike nobody thinks very much.
The club will probably know the position as regards the possible sale of Lukaku and Barkley, we don't.
If Lukaku leaves, that's likely to weaken our team substantially. He's not everyone's cup of tea but he puts the ball in the net 20 times a season and them sort of players don't grow on trees. Are our new signings an improvement on our present players? Marginally at best I'd say, no more.
I think Peter is wise to say lets wait to see how our spending balances up with our income before getting too excited. The club are making more positive decisions since Moshiri came in, but let's see what our team looks like in August before talking about top 4.
39 Posted 16/06/2017 at 17:07:06
Koeman isn't perfect, not by a long shot. But he is pragmatic. Given the players he had at his disposal he managed to get us back into Europe at the first attempt. The football was not of the highest calibre, but it was pragmatic. Shore up the defence, keep it simple. Next season, he will have a better squad;, let's see what he can do
Regards the players he signed, Yes Stekelenburg was a disappointment, but I can understand why he was signed. Needed a keeper, he was cheap enough with good experience.
Williams? Funny how people don't rate him. His stats are decent for last year. He played in a make shift defence with kids and a past it Jags for a significant part of the season. So we sold Stones, apparently a Rolls-Royce of a player and replaced him with Williams, less goals conceded.
Bolasie, who knows? But at the point where he got injured his partnership with Rom was just one of the most productive in the Premier League.
The youth players? Not sure if you noticed the role they played in securing England's only significant trophy since 1966. For the future, yes; I reckon the very near future.
Morgan? Instantly improved our team. Jose admitted to regretting selling him. He has the right attitude and next season will be playing in a better team.
40 Posted 16/06/2017 at 17:10:08
41 Posted 16/06/2017 at 17:20:34
"Are our new signings an improvement on our present players? Marginally at best I'd say, no more."
With regards to one of our new signings, a couple of distinguished gents named Southall and Shilton strongly disagree with you.
43 Posted 16/06/2017 at 17:29:52
44 Posted 16/06/2017 at 17:35:42
45 Posted 16/06/2017 at 17:45:45
46 Posted 16/06/2017 at 18:01:35
You're simply delusional...
Williams good, solid season; best centre-back at Everton last season
Schneiderlin brilliant, exactly what we were missing
Bolasie good, great attitude, unlucky injury
Calvert-Lewin great youngster
47 Posted 16/06/2017 at 18:03:41
Not gonna be hard on the author for that. Me, I'm struggling to get there but things off the pitch in the last 12 months have given me the most to be positive about, the football has be awful to my eye.
Moshiri has definitely looked at the club and started to change the underlying reasons for failure. Debt cleared, some improvement in commercial activity but still way behind others, but overall enhancing the profile and at least starting to grow the brand.
I've no issues with the spree, and yes, there will be duds, but intent is being shown, profile raised and the all important network of agents and players might start to think of Everton as an option. Still think we need someone with more of a reputation than Walsh but that's another conversation.
The money is not an issue. Even our modest player sales will help improve our wage bill. Selling either or both Rom and Ross would make this season the one to go nuts. Personally the strategy would be Ross first, pure profit and Rom next year.
Under FFP Rom would be worth around £7.5m on the books so it would be a huge profit.
Light at the end of the longest of tunnels.
48 Posted 16/06/2017 at 18:07:15
How poor do you think Pickford is then Raymond? Does he rank as "okay" with you because, as others have pointed out, big Nev sees him as being a bit better than that!
49 Posted 16/06/2017 at 21:10:03
Yer better not forget his pressie on Sunday, or never mind that he puts years on yer, he'll be the death of yer!
50 Posted 16/06/2017 at 21:26:25
His vision, pace and accurate movement of the ball at pace, with an engine that sees him cover more ground than any other Ajax player Dutch international, plays box-to-box, defensive midfield when needed, and as an attacking midfielder .
This is a clear statement to build a high tempo, pressing, fast transition, cutting attacks from deep and clever box play!
Compared to Ross (who I love) there is a clear difference in impact, physicality and creative output in terms of assists and goals. It would be great if we could keep Ross to play along side him and even find a deeper role in that midfield.
51 Posted 16/06/2017 at 21:28:56
Pickford's 4th pick England keeper at the moment at 23 years of age. I would like to watch him for a few games before being a convert.
52 Posted 16/06/2017 at 22:13:31
53 Posted 16/06/2017 at 22:34:40
54 Posted 17/06/2017 at 07:24:40
But most of all he along with the 2 new signings are a much needed step up in quality from our usual signings.
I am a typical cynic when it comes to Everton especially regarding Kenwright but there is no doubting things are changing and the quality of players is improving. What more can we ask?
55 Posted 21/06/2017 at 14:14:18
Now to the players coming and going and the money talk. At this point nobody has made a bid for our 2 main assets, Barkley and Lukaku, of course. What if, and it could happen, these two ran down their contracts and left for nothing? Whose money would have been spent so far?
Forget the figures we are demanding. If they go before their contracts are up then we will get a decent fee for them, not the ridiculous figures being thrown around, and let's face it, the figures are most probably paper-talk anyway.
I believe that Mr Moshiri knows what he is doing. He may be taking a gamble with the spending, but what price would we pay for like-for-like replacements for these two anyway, especially if the world knew what we had just got for them?
Look at things another way when was there ever a time when we could be so indifferent to losing one of our heroes, never mind two, to our rivals? Exactly! This to me shows that even the pessimists and moaners on this site are actually happier, or less miserable, than they used to be!
Add Your Comments
In order to post a comment, you need to be logged in as a registered user of the site.
Or Sign up as a ToffeeWeb Member — it's free, takes just a few minutes and will allow you to post your comments on articles and Talking Points submissions across the site.