Stadium update

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The Daily Mail are reporting this:

Everton go big on stadium as leaked plans suggest it will have a bigger capacity than Anfield.

It's sounding really exciting. :)

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Michael Kenrick
1 Posted 09/07/2017 at 05:52:29
I found the leaked photos here:

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/t...8#post-5571351

But they've been taken down.

Michael Kenrick
2 Posted 09/07/2017 at 05:53:20
However, a little more probing...

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=141030796

Michael Kenrick
3 Posted 09/07/2017 at 05:55:05
57,982 -- is that the capacity?
Harry Wallace
4 Posted 09/07/2017 at 06:55:07
60,000 capacity apparently. Not sure I like that stadium design of the front to be honest but I'll wait for first public release.
Phil Walling
5 Posted 09/07/2017 at 11:46:11
It will go down well with red seats!
Ron Sear
6 Posted 09/07/2017 at 13:51:24
The whole thing looks fairly tasty, a slight downside with future sea level rise shown (stand by for Trump denial) as submerging the Liverpool docks and requiring canoe access.
David McMullen
7 Posted 09/07/2017 at 22:53:28
Is this not part of that Stadium Design competition? So totally fake in relation to Meis designing our ground?

Someone jumping on the bandwagon.

Tony Pemberton
8 Posted 10/07/2017 at 09:51:19
More evidence I see to show there is only going to be one large home End.

Why aren't we having two large home ends??

Stan Schofield
9 Posted 10/07/2017 at 15:10:20
Looks good.

Ron@6: Regarding the sea-rise issue, that's not something I would take seriously for any real business decision.

Putting to one side the 'believer' versus 'denier' polarisation in which the media, the oil industry, the likes of Trump, the global warming community, etc, are involved, the so-called projections are simply theoretical mathematical predictions without substantial basis in reality.

The whole topic is more complex than most involved can actually deal with, and there is more pseudo-science than science in most of the 'debate'.

Ron Sear
10 Posted 10/07/2017 at 15:35:18
Stan (#9).

Personally I would take sea-level rise as a business decision very seriously. The records for Liverpool since the early 1800s are some of the most accurate in the world. The trend unfortunately is an actual and undeniable accelerating rate of increase of sea-level rise, nothing to do with predictions, right wing wishful thinking or green campaigners alarmism.

Not to say it can't be mitigated by flood defences but it does cost money. For an example of the costs just ask the owners of the cinema and supermarket in New Brighton when they were daft enough to build on a stretch of coast that sees prevailing westerly winds and a softly sloping beach piling the waves up against their buildings and the consequent damage that followed.

Thomas Lennon
11 Posted 10/07/2017 at 15:58:18
Take your own view about the 'pseudoscience' regarding global warming due to human activity here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming
I would contend that the evidence is multi-factorial and substantial both to the casual observer and specialist. We live in an era of 'false facts' but the scientific method will see it out.

It would be true to say that some will not believe it is happening until it has happened. Whether or not the Paris agreement is our best response to mitigate the risk is debatable – it is obvious that those who choose to withdraw from the agreement have reasons other than scientific doubts to do what they are doing. They want to burn their way back into power in 4 years.

The risk to a stadium on the waterfront is obvious though the height of the dock above water level is reasonable whenever I have looked. They look well above the expected rise of 1m – but perhaps on a stormy spring tide in 2050-2100 there could be large waves dumping lots more water on the dockside than they do now. It is surely sensible to prepare for this outcome rather than wait until the waves are breaking over the dockside at highwater with a storm surge behind it.

This is not likely to have to be a hugely expensive exercise but consideration for how seawater should be prevented from flooding the area and other structures on those few occasions when it might be needed is more than sensible in a building designed to last for the next 100 years.

Dean Johnson
12 Posted 10/07/2017 at 16:54:47
I will get worried about sea levels rising when the Dutch do.
Micky Norman
13 Posted 10/07/2017 at 17:08:15
If sea levels rise enough to affect our new ground then the city of Liverpool will have a hell of a lot more important things to worry about than the loss of a stadium.
Brent Stephens
14 Posted 10/07/2017 at 17:13:11
Dean, the Dutch seem to be unconcerned as they are managing rising sea levels.
Steavey Buckley
15 Posted 10/07/2017 at 17:26:26
Rigs have been floating in the North Sea for years in one of the most stormiest seas in the world. Building in safeguards for a stadium with rising sea levels should not pose a great challenge.
Stan Schofield
16 Posted 10/07/2017 at 18:02:01
Ron@10: As you say, there is an historical record which is factual. However, that is a separate thing from predicting future sea levels, which as I say is based on mathematical (theoretical) modelling, which in this case is a complex form of extrapolation from past events. Extrapolation is a dangerous thing in science, and assessing it objectively is the job of a physical scientist. It's not the job of people with vested interests, whether right wing, left wing, Trumpists, oil industry, climate change community, etc.

Taking a se- rise issue seriously and properly in business terms involves objective assessment, not the kind of approach seen most often in the media that involves propaganda from both 'believers' and 'deniers' from the communities listed above.

Alan McGuffog
17 Posted 10/07/2017 at 18:06:48
You watch – soon as we win the Premier League the bloody sea level will rise barring us from Europe.
Stan Schofield
19 Posted 10/07/2017 at 18:12:41
Steavey @15: On that point, modern rigs are designed to withstand '1-in-100' year storm conditions with respect to being able to continue operating 'normally', and typically '1-in-10,000' year storm conditions with respect to ensuring safety of personnel on board.

In late 2012 a '100-year storm' hit the North Sea and coast around Aberdeen, causing a fair bit of damage (I was on the harbour at Stonehaven at the time, and it was spectacular to say the least), including damage to offshore rigs. This damage, although requiring remedial action afterwards, did not disrupt operation substantially, which is consistent with the '1-in-100' storm design criterion.

Len Hawkins
20 Posted 10/07/2017 at 18:20:43
Sea levels rising in Liverpool, of course that will have absolutely nothing to do with the closure of Preston dock to other than pleasure craft and the Ribble Estuary silting up.

And it will have nothing to do with the closure of the Sand Winning plant at Southport that was taking Hundreds of Tons of Sand a DAY from the Horse Bank off Southport. The water has to go somewhere now that the holes it used to fill are no longer there.

Colin Glassar
21 Posted 10/07/2017 at 18:27:29
Steavey, I've been saying for ages we need a floater.
Brent Stephens
22 Posted 10/07/2017 at 18:29:28
Alan (#17),

"You watch, soon as we win the Premier League, the bloody sea level will rise barring us from Europe".

Excellent. Oh for posts like this to lift the spirits (I'm depressed with there being no more signings today).

Stan Schofield
23 Posted 10/07/2017 at 18:35:06
All they need do is pump the excess water from the sealevel rise over to Norris Green, to refill the diving pool after a belly-splitting jump from the high diving board.
Peter Howard
24 Posted 10/07/2017 at 18:40:41
Just play Bobby Latchford up front.
Colin Glassar
25 Posted 10/07/2017 at 18:56:44
And the foot bath, Stan.
Alan McGuffog
26 Posted 10/07/2017 at 19:07:55
Was just going to have my tea. Then you reminded me of the foot bath at Norris Green baths. Thanks, Colin!!
Stan Schofield
27 Posted 10/07/2017 at 19:42:46
Colin, all the shite floating in that footbath would easily absorb any waters from sea-level rise like a sponge.
Colin Glassar
28 Posted 10/07/2017 at 20:23:44
If you never swam, or drowned, in Norrie Green Baths you're not a real scouser imo.
Brian Denton
29 Posted 10/07/2017 at 20:29:28
Colin, I have and it was always 'Noggsy' baths, not 'Norrie Green'.
Stan Schofield
30 Posted 10/07/2017 at 20:34:08
I lived in Mentmore Crescent in Norris Green, and we just called it the baths.
Colin Glassar
31 Posted 10/07/2017 at 20:36:22
We called it Norrie Green, Brian. Posh name, Stan. Was it pronounced 'baaarths'?
Tony Abrahams
32 Posted 10/07/2017 at 20:38:30
Or even "Broady Baths".

I remember nearly drowning when I was pushed in, and I was about 7/8 years of age, and just I was gonna start trying to swim, someone rescued me.

I was fuckin gutted because I never learnt to swim properly for another 18 months, and I still blame the person that saved me!

Stan Schofield
33 Posted 10/07/2017 at 20:42:28
Colin, yes, we were posh, we lived in a corpie hoyse.

Separate subject, but Mentmore Crescent had a fantastic playing field (and bowling greens) in the middle of the crescent, where we played footie all day. I remember playing footie with Billy Wright, who was a local celebrity because Tommy Wright is his uncle.

Brian Williams
34 Posted 10/07/2017 at 20:50:45
Hey Stan, you there?
Colin Glassar
35 Posted 10/07/2017 at 21:16:40
We lived in a corpie, owned can of baked beans, Stan. We'd eat a bean a day and there were 14 of us.
Stan Schofield
37 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:39:29
Colin, you were lucky.

Brian, don't tell me you played on that field as well?

Ron Sear
38 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:40:52
Len (20),

Not sure what you are trying to say, even the most rudimentary work on the effect of sea level rise shows an increased deposition of silt as salinity level moves inland and the generally lowered river flow rates as the distance and drop seaward decreases. Hardly surprising the dredgers still have to work hard in the Mersey and they gave up on the Ribble.

The issue really is; will Dan Meis have to take into account the general engineering and scientific consensus by the overwhelming majority of individuals with real expertise or will he ignore it?

I suspect the insurance companies will make his mind for him as regards to the nature of the build. Whatever, I don't mind putting on wellies to watch the Blues play.

Alan McGuffog
40 Posted 11/07/2017 at 09:08:00
To be pedantic The William Roberts Public Baths. Different name same fungal infections. Happy days
Steve Carse
41 Posted 11/07/2017 at 13:41:19
Broadway Baths, the original SAS training course.
David McMullen
42 Posted 12/07/2017 at 13:59:02
Not sure what this is to do with the ground. But it was 'Broady Baths' when I was a kid.
Eric Myles
43 Posted 13/07/2017 at 09:11:27
Dean (#12), the Dutch are masters in dredging.

They just dredge away the sea bed giving more space for the water to fill and thus lowering the water level.

Len Hawkins
44 Posted 13/07/2017 at 09:42:49
Ron, what I was trying to say not being a Marine hole specialist, is that the Ribble is not as deep as it used to be and a major sand extraction off Southport where thousands of tons of sand a week were redistributed across the Country by Wm Rainford & Son no longer happens.

So the answer is to flood one of the Tunnels or dig a very deep hole for the rising water to go into. The sand extracted could be dumped in that large Box with the loft conversion across Stanley Park from Goodison. After all,when Mr Moshiri has bought the City, he can dump it wherever he wants.

Derek Turner
45 Posted 14/07/2017 at 15:36:58
The idea of digging a hole to compensate for global sea levels rising is clearly Mayor Moshiri's master plan here. I think this could work. Will need caged canaries for the hole. Elstone will sort it.
John Otway
46 Posted 14/07/2017 at 15:45:18
Cripes Derek but aren't you a funny little fellow!!
Clive Lewis
47 Posted 14/07/2017 at 22:24:38
As long as we have plenty of subs!
Nicholas Ryan
48 Posted 20/07/2017 at 00:47:50
If the sea level keeps rising, could we start the season in Liverpool, and finish it in Birkenhead?!
Liam Reilly
50 Posted 20/07/2017 at 13:47:50
I've been hearing that the new stadium capacity could be 61,878.

Got to be some serious marketing opportunities with that number...

Ron Sear
51 Posted 21/07/2017 at 10:23:08
The new Spurs stadium is getting a built in micro-brewery...

Did you hear that, Mr Meis?

Tim Sharpe
52 Posted 21/07/2017 at 10:33:33
Is that for Spurs to bottle it, Ron?
Clive Lewis
53 Posted 24/07/2017 at 11:06:37
With the bitter response to our brand new ground from Jamie Carragher, Anfield is due to be renamed Lego Land in view of all the plastic parts assembled that's including the fans.

Please bring your Lego pieces with you at the next derby game.

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