Rooney testimonial ends goalless

3 August  211 Comments  [Jump to last]
Manchester United 0 - 0 Everton
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Everton and Manchester United played out a tentative goalless draw for the testimonial match of England's record goalscorer.

Both managers will view the game as another good fitness-building run-out with the new season just 10 days away but it was short on entertainment for the first global audience tuning in to a live televised match streamed on Facebook.

From Ronald Koeman's point of view, the Blues looked to have more shape and defensive organisation than was the case under Roberto Martinez — coincidentally, the Catalan was announced as the new boss of the Belgian national side during the match — for much of last season.

Teenage defender Mason Holgate was a particular standout during his 65-minutes on the field, while there was more evidence of the pressing from the front demanded by Koeman, particularly by Gerard Deulofeu.

An early mistake by Gareth Barry gave Zlatan Ibrahimovich the chance to cross but the Swede overhit his centre as the Blues settled into their 3-5-2 formation while, at the other end, Deulofeu was almost gifted the ball by Carrick but an unfavourable bounce took the ball to David de Gea.

Lukaku broke free in the middle of the park and fired a tame, low shot that was easily saved during what was a pedestrian first quarter of an hour of the contest.

Holgate was looking particularly impressive for the Blues in the early going and after unceremoniously dispossessing Ibrahimovich, the young defender charged down Anthony Martial's shot.

That corner was fisted away by Maarten Stekelenburg but United kept the ball and the Everton keeper was called into action again to parry from Ibrahimovich from the angle.

The best chance of the game thus far fell to Everton with a little more than half an hour gone. Lukaku bundled his way past his marker after winning the ball back and his initial shot was blocked into the path of Ross Barkley. De Gea was on hand to beat the midfielder's shot away, however, to keep things goalless.

While the more dominant side in possession, the home sider were largely being held at bay until Luke Shaw flashed a deflected shot inches wide of the far post.

A couple of minutes later, Stekelenburg made another good stop after Ibrahimovich controlled a deep cross neatly and was in on goal for a shot from close range.

At the other end, Lukaku rose to meet a free header but he could only head wide of goal.

Joel Robles came on for Stekelenburg at half time while Kevin Mirallas was introduced for Deulofeu and the Belgian had the first real chance of the second half but he fired into the side-netting.

The game remained bereft of chances, particularly following a number of changes for both sides, but Juan Mata seized on a wayward header, only to have his shot charged down by Tom Cleverley.

The match had continued while Muhamed Besic was down injured and the Bosnian had to come off just 10 minutes after being introduced with what appeared to be a knee problem.

United picked up the pace of the contest as it entered the final five minutes but couldn't fashion a late winner.

Everton: Stekelenburg (Robles 46'), Coleman, Baines (Oviedo 65'), Funes Mori, Stones, Holgate (Lennon 65'), McCarthy (Besic 65' (Davies 76')), Barry (Gibson 65'), Barkley (Cleverley 65'), Deulofeu (Mirallas 46'), Lukaku (Kone 65').

Sub not used: Galloway


Build-up

England's record goalscorer gets his testimonial match at Old Trafford against the only team he could have chosen, his boyhood club Everton.

The 30-year-old forward caused a stir 12 years ago when he left Goodison Park in what eventually amounted to a £27m deal and he has gone on to make 368 appearances for the Red Devils and won all three domestic trophies, as well as the Champions League.

It's a legacy that Evertonians always hoped he would forge with the Toffees after he emerged from the youth ranks at Bellefield with few doubting that he would become a star.

Though his move along the East Lancs Road embittered many, time has healed many of the wounds among Blues fans and, despite some ill-advised moments like his badge-kissing episode at Goodison Park, Rooney has kept alive his own love for Everton.

His children have often been seen wearing Everton kits and the player himself turned out in a Royal Blue jersey again last year for Duncan Ferguson's testimonial.

Rooney won't be playing for both teams this evening, though, in what is both Jose Mourinho's first friendly at Old Trafford and another opportunity for Ronald Koeman's men to build their fitness with the new season just 10 days away.

Romelu Lukaku, in particular, will be in need of minutes having only featured for an hour in the game against Real Betis on Saturday and he starts.

Everton fans were also be hoping to get their first look at new signing Idrissa Gueye following his arrival from Aston Villa but he is not included in the squad. Meanwhile, they'll be curious to see whether the manager's line-up is any nod towards the one that will kick off against Tottenham in the Premier League on 13th August.

The match proceeds will go to the Wayne Rooney Foundation which will distribute money to the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children, Claire House Hospice, Alder Hey Children's Hospital and the Manchester United Foundation.

The testimonial will also make history as the first to be streamed worldwide on Facebook via Rooney's and Manchester United's official pages.

 

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Paul Conway
1 Posted 03/08/2016 at 16:51:23
Wow! Already 12 years. How time flies.

However, its nice for Wayne to know that should he be over the hill and ready for the knackers yard, some people at EFC would have him back with open arms.
Jay Harris
2 Posted 03/08/2016 at 16:52:59
I am reasonably tech savvy but how do we get to the facebook streaming option.
James Stewart
3 Posted 03/08/2016 at 16:55:21
Pretty sure its on BT Showcase channel on freeview.
Danny O'Neill
4 Posted 03/08/2016 at 17:07:49
Said at the time I wish he would have given us 2 years; he was always going to go on to great things but just give us a chance, you can move on after that regardless. I suppose his decision proved me wrong. He won the lot, we continued to stagnate.

Great player - don't get me wrong, could have been better, but still great. Congratulations Wayne; nice touch he chose Everton for his testimonial opponents but then shouldn't be surprised because like all of us, he is an Evertonian at heart. Never confuse the personal with the professional and all that!!

Brett Jonathan
5 Posted 03/08/2016 at 17:09:50
Just click the Rooney link above Jay. Will appear on that page when it is live.
Jay Harris
6 Posted 03/08/2016 at 17:11:52
Thanks Brett
James Hughes
7 Posted 03/08/2016 at 17:17:24
do you have to register with facebook, I have avoided it so far, or can you just watch via that link ? advice needed here
Ian McDowell
8 Posted 03/08/2016 at 17:43:02
Match is on BTsport 1 I believe. Looking forward to see how we line up. With only 10 days to kick off I hope to see a glimpse of what we can expect in the coming months.
Dave Abrahams
9 Posted 03/08/2016 at 17:45:02
James (3) what channel number is it on free view?
Paul Kelly
10 Posted 03/08/2016 at 17:56:27
On an unrelated matter, just seen an add for classic kits, the "one 2 one " home kit was advertised, Jesus, still haven't thrown the original away.
Jay Harris
11 Posted 03/08/2016 at 18:02:57
Dave
I read it was on CH 59.
Simon Bates
12 Posted 03/08/2016 at 18:11:47
There has to be a link to watch this match, without having to actually become a member of Manure's or Rooneys official FB page, never.

Surely Everton's FB page can stream it then?
Lyndon Lloyd
13 Posted 03/08/2016 at 18:16:47
Simon, you don't have to become a member of their Facebook pages, but I assume you have to have a FB account to access the streams.

This is Rooney's and United's thing, not Everton's and the agreement was no doubt signed by them with Facebook.

Patrick Murphy
14 Posted 03/08/2016 at 18:17:01
Simon (12) If you reside in the UK it's on BT Showcase live and Free to air from 7:15pm onwards.
Simon Bates
15 Posted 03/08/2016 at 18:29:02
Thanks for the freeview link but yeah I just clicked on United's FB link in the article and was directed to their official fb page to which I would have to have joined to access their page.

Not directly from my fb account like ours. It's probably to make it appear it was all their fans watching.
Neil Wood
16 Posted 03/08/2016 at 18:40:24
So I can't get it if I have Sky?
Amanda Huddleston
17 Posted 03/08/2016 at 18:44:13
Unimpressed by the FB page asking for donations.

It would take me 324 years to earn what Rooney earns a year (basic). Approx 590 years if you include all his sponsorship deals an bonuses.

Dig deep lad and chip in for all of us. Go on - its tax deductible - not that you pay much of that either!

COYB lets break the Old Trafford hoodoo

Malcolm Stout
18 Posted 03/08/2016 at 18:50:19
Once a Blue always a Blue but if you want to wear red don't ever come back. Football fans exist on loyalty and Rooney is a born and bred Blue. If he returned I wouldn't be near the ground til he left again.
Graham Mockford
19 Posted 03/08/2016 at 18:52:42
Amanda

Firstly it's a request to donate to charity, you can say no.

Secondly how do you know about Rooneys tax affairs?

Yes he earns a ridiculous amount of money but good luck to him. I think the amount of money raised for charities including Alder Hey will massively dwarf what most people can or will.

Tony Draper
20 Posted 03/08/2016 at 18:59:34
Neil @16, if you have an Android device then Google mobdro.com, download and install.

Open up, select sports, select BT Sports 1.

Easy and free. You'll need WiFi.

Ian McDowell
22 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:09:37
A very strong Man Utd lineup. I'm looking forward to see how we get on here.
Sam Barrett
23 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:10:46
He is not and never ever will be an Evertonian again, he forfeited that 12 years ago when he went for the money, sold his soul, if you like.
Neil Wood
24 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:11:15
Tony, thank you but I've got an iPhone and Sky!!! Typical.

Might have to go up to the old man's house and watch it... Sure mum will sacrifice her nightly soap addiction!

James Stewart
25 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:17:58
Channel 59 on freeview.
James Watts
27 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:27:27
Did Martínez pick that team?
Dave Abrahams
28 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:32:14
Malcolm (18), rest easy, Wayne is on £250,000 per week wages plus sponsorship deals, I can just see him giving that up to come back to Everton, never mind the fact that his best days are behind him.
Paul Kossoff
29 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:32:50
Match is on BT Showcase. Look for it on your freeview channels.
Brian Williams
30 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:34:54
Couple of the usual shite comments regarding his leaving I see. About time people got in touch with reality and not viewed things from some non existant fantasy world.

Slagging a player who left the club doesn't make for a "better" Evertonian!
Sam Hoare
31 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:37:48
Interested to see this team. In particular how Barkley does in box to box role and how Geri does alongside Rom.
Paul Tran
32 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:41:38
If you have Sky you can get this on channel 413.
Mark Ryan
33 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:42:34
I am very disappointed that Everton ever agreed to giving Rooney this platform to parade himself as a true blue. It's a nonsense and this is his way of saying "sorry guys". Having unceremoniously dumped us all those years ago he is simply no longer an Evertonian in my purist view of what an Evertonian is.

I wish it was us giving him the testimonial instead and I suspect he does too
Sam Barrett
34 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:47:00
Brian, not slagging him off mate, just telling it like it is. If you think showing empathy to him makes you a 'better' Evertonian then you, my friend, are in a fantasy world. Some people will do anything for money, he, unfortunately for us 12 years ago was one of them.
Danny Broderick
35 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:47:02
Wayne Rooney. The only man I know who has gone bald twice!
Sam Barrett
36 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:48:47
Danny 35 haha, he will be able to afford a new one after this testimonial.
Frank Crewe
37 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:50:42
If you have Virgin it's on 527 BTsports
Daniel Lawrence
39 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:55:46
What a refreshing line up to go into the season with. The new Everton, remarkably like the old one .
Tim Kells
40 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:56:11
Even his kids are wearing Man Ure shirts tonight. Talk about selling your soul...
John Beesley
41 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:57:13
Top crack Danny, if his hair got any further back he would be combing his arse!
Sam Barrett
43 Posted 03/08/2016 at 20:00:06
I thought his kids were Evertonians? Theyve got the wrong kits on!
Dave Williams
46 Posted 03/08/2016 at 20:24:47
For heavens sake- hands up all posters who would not leave their first job if they were promised wages way beyond the reach of their then employer plus the guarantee of worldwide acclaim and glory with their new employer.

This is his job and his one chance to secure his and his family's future.Give the man a break!

Mike Keating
47 Posted 03/08/2016 at 20:26:19
I just get Flash Unavailable message on FB and can't get Ch 59 on Freeview
Think I'll settle for Eat Well for Less on BBC1
Ciarán McGlone
48 Posted 03/08/2016 at 20:35:15
Barry is constantly giving the ball away ... We are woefully short in the middle with this 5 man back line.

We simply don't have the midfielders on the pitch (or at the club) to pull this formation off..

Andy Crooks
49 Posted 03/08/2016 at 20:37:08
Dave, I have no problem with Rooney. If , however, I had been offered what Rooney was to stay at Everton i.e enough to make him and his family financially secure for life, I would never have left. We are Everonians, Rooney was a hired hand.
Robin Cannon
50 Posted 03/08/2016 at 20:40:01
@Andy (49) - Can you quantify "enough money to make him financially secure for life"? Then triple or quadruple that and choose between the two.

Fandom can be a deciding factor when all other things are broadly equal. When all other things aren't even close to being equal; I wouldn't let it be a major factor in my career choices, why should a player?

Ciarán McGlone
51 Posted 03/08/2016 at 20:43:57
Our aspirations of a high tempo pressing game, appear to have been replaced with a sit back and launch a long ball game.

This is Moyesesque

Lev Vellene
52 Posted 03/08/2016 at 20:45:36
Sam #43 He said his kids were reared on both, and his oldest knew/sang the Ross song. He did not sound unhappy about that... But if I had 2 loves, and my dad was the other one, what kit should I choose??? :)
Peter Mills
53 Posted 03/08/2016 at 20:49:41
Ciaran#48, I agree, at 40 minutes we are playing 5 at the back, plus 2 defensive midfielders, and Ross has been woeful.

And at 43 minutes our £75m centre forward just missed a straightforward headed chance.

Lee Whitehead
54 Posted 03/08/2016 at 20:53:36
£75M for Lukaku...
£50M for Stones...

DON'T MAKE ME FUCKIN' LAUGH!!! If we get anywhere near those figures I will piss myself with laughter.

After watching that shite 1st half, we're in big trouble unless he gets players in and quick.

Dave Williams
55 Posted 03/08/2016 at 20:55:37
Fair point Andy- I veer towards allowing for the fact he was an immature 18 year old who followed the advice given no doubt very strongly by his agent who would not have pointed out what you did in your post for very obvious reasons!

As an Evertonian of 53 years I would have stayed put to help make us great again but I can understand what he did and why even though I wouldn't have done it.

Dave Lynch
56 Posted 03/08/2016 at 20:57:28
FFS lads.

It's a testimonial and the proceeds are going to well deserving charities.

It was never gonna be more than an average kick about for Christ sake.

As for his kids? He's a Utd player, who's kits do you expect them to wear.

Get a fucking grip...

Mike Allen
57 Posted 03/08/2016 at 21:01:31
Any player can have an off day but I'm sorry Barkley just is not up to it strolling around has not got a clue what's around him visibly gives up just lets players stroll past him this is not just on tonight's evidence he's been like this for over a season yes he may make a good pass now and again and will score a spectacular goal I'm sorry but he is way off the mark as even average someone tell what I'm missing with this lad
Ian Randles
58 Posted 03/08/2016 at 21:10:40
I for one have gone full circle on my feelings for Rooney, when he left I was bitter towards him and thought we deserved another two seasons out of him.
As time went on I realised the hard facts about our club and the situation we were in, without his transfer fee we would of been in very serious danger of dropping into the championship and beyond (like it or not). Instead his fee gave us the opportunity to build the team that gave us constant top 7 finishes.
Regardless of wages I believe he left for footballing reasons that being he new he was good enough to play for a top team and win major honours, after all Newcastle started the bidding and offered a better salary.
As for his kids didn't we all follow in our Dad's footsteps regarding our loyalties to Football??
Oliver Molloy
59 Posted 03/08/2016 at 21:30:42
Martinez named new Belgium manager !
Barry McNally
61 Posted 03/08/2016 at 21:33:50
Mirallas and Lukaku won't be happy with that - unbelievable!
Ian Randles
64 Posted 03/08/2016 at 21:36:30
Hahaha judging by Lukaku's reaction on the bench then he has just heard the news (for anyone not watching the match, laughed and put his face in his hands)...
Lewis Barclay
65 Posted 03/08/2016 at 21:37:43
Belgium will win their first few games then everyone will figure them out and they'll not qualify for the World Cup or the euros.
Michael Sopt
66 Posted 03/08/2016 at 21:39:42
Will Belgium get relegated before they reach Euro 2020?
Barrie Abbott
67 Posted 03/08/2016 at 21:45:48
Any chance we can sell Niasse to Belgium?
Peter Mills
68 Posted 03/08/2016 at 21:49:06
You can fool some of the people

I trust this means Sr Martinez's claim relating to his dismissal, presumably based on projected loss of earnings, will be very substantially reduced. Which will give us the funds to offer our Welsh friends an extra couple of mill for their centre half.

How wonderful if Roberto could contribute to our defence in such a way.

Mark Ryan
69 Posted 03/08/2016 at 21:49:45
I cannot view the game. Is Besic injury a serious one ?
Michael Sopt
70 Posted 03/08/2016 at 21:49:59
Nil-Nil draw at Old Trafford, with the full teams playing. About as much as I could have hoped for.
Neil Cremin
71 Posted 03/08/2016 at 21:54:17
Must say that in watching the game tonight (2nd half) I thought Everton were very positive going forward, composed in defence and certainly not afraid to have a go.
Looking good.COYB
Dean Rolstone
72 Posted 03/08/2016 at 21:59:23
Just seen Lukaku speaking to Mirallas in the tunnel, he couldn't stop smiling and laughing whilst telling Kev the big Belgian news. It appears the players are as amazed as us that he's managed to get that job.
Lewis Barclay
73 Posted 03/08/2016 at 21:59:32
Lukaku having a nice chat with José at the end of the game with their hands covering their mouths.
Maybe sharing a joke or two about national team coaches?
Dave Abrahams
74 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:00:11
Ian (58) well at least you got it in the end, without the money we got for Rooney Everton were in danger of going bankrupt, Wayne got the great Evertonian out of the brown stuff.
Stephen Brown
76 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:00:31
Who do Lukaku and Mirralas think they they are giggling and laughing at RM appointment ?!

Despite RM terrible season(s) they are no great shakes either! Lack of respect!

Chris Gould
77 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:00:33
Thought Holgate looked very assured. Extremely encouraged by his performance. Coleman worked very hard and it was nice to see Mirallas putting himself about. He is clearly hoping to impress.
Mike Moore
78 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:00:38
Well said Dave #56.
Tony Hill
79 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:02:34
A lot of bright things, especially second half, in a rather odd match. Besic looks like he might have done a knee ligament but if we had to have an injury then defensive midfield is where to get it. We look sound defensively and particularly pleased to see how well Coleman played. Stekelenburg was a shrewd little buy, incidentally.

Hope Ross is saving something for when it starts properly.

Jim Bailey
81 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:03:39
Ian@58
At last, someone commenting on Rooney going to Man.Utd in a positive way.
Rooney haters on this site take note.
If you're brilliant at your 10 grand a year job, and someone offers you 100 grand for doing the same job, would you take it or not?
He was obviously far too good to stay at Everton, good luck to him.
Stan Schofield
86 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:05:01
Thought we looked quite sharp in the 2nd half, encouraging.
Colin Hughes
87 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:05:32
Let's face it we look as clueless and one dimensional as the last two seasons.Coleman still can't cross a ball and we don't commit enough men into the box when attacking. Gibson and Besic seem to be in some sort of competition for the treatment table.
Needs major that squad surgery to get any kind of balance, quality and the poise to win hard premier league games.
Daniel A Johnson
88 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:06:14
Besic is the new Gibson hes made of glass
Terry McLavey
89 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:06:36
I bet his son wasn't happy wearing red! I thought the performance showed we play better against better sides.

I hope the pat on the back to Kone as he came on was, "This is your last chance son"; he added NOTHING.


Damian Wilde
90 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:13:05
Did you see Rom & Kev chatting and laughing in the tunnel? Obviously heard the news!
Ian Randles
91 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:13:10
Anyone else see the two goals from Musa against Barcelona for Leicester hopefully Walsh can find us one of those
Dave Abrahams
92 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:13:19
It was only a testamonial, it's all about getting fit, but for those who thought we didn't play well, we missed three absolute sitters, we will get better, just give Koeman time, we've only been playing under him for five minutes.
Stephen Jones
93 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:15:25
How can some fellow blues be slagging off Rooney for his kids wearing united kits ffs also Peter Laing what do you expect him to do?? He is a manure player addressing the fans he plays for at the present time at old Trafford he could not say anything else COULD he ?? Remember these are the same gobshite fan's who camped outside his house in Alderley edge when he said he was leaving then screwed them for double bubble 😂 so give him a break guys we all know he is still a blue he just can't show it yet
Peter Mills
94 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:15:41
We played the 2nd half 25m further forward, and looked better for it.

And we didn't lose. It appeared our players were trying very hard not to concede a goal, which is great progress.

James Stewart
95 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:16:42
Yep Musa looks a real player! For the same money as Niasse.

Looked a lot more solid. Holgate was decent and thought Davies looked outstanding when he came on and did more in 2 minutes than McCarthy did whole game.

Eddie Dunn
96 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:17:36
The second half players looked a far better outfit, with Oviedo, Mirallas and Davies adding tempo to the game. Barkley looks devoid of any intelligence and the Barry - McCarthy axis should be thrown in the bin. McCarthy is ordinary and Barry's lack of pace exposes us time and again.

As for Rooney, he looks like a man who has prostituted himself for gold. He knows he's a fraud and the Mancs (and their united nations of glory-hunters) secretly despise him.

Add to that the fawning commentator obsessing over the spoilt little brats and hoping for a Man Utd goal, and the bent ref letting play go on, hoping to keep them all happy with a late winner, and you see what is wrong with our poxy media and the money worshipping tossers that infest the game.

Oh and Ashley Young is a berk!

Tony Hill
97 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:18:53
Yes, Besic may be blighted by injury but let's hope it's not serious. Agree with Chris (77) about Holgate – excellent prospect.

We'll make another two buys minimum, I suspect, before the 13th.

We were horrible defensively last season, tonight we looked tight for the most part. There were some little flashes, too, of attacking fluency.

Much to look forward to over the next 9 months.

Geoff Williams
98 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:19:15
Barkley, Lukaku and Deulofeu cannot play as a three up front.
Mark Ryan
99 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:22:24
To be fair he wasn't offered £10 grand by Everton. He would have been on significant wages for a young man but was simply not prepared to stay because he was greedy, like many of them are.

It's not about being a Rooney hater. It's about wanting your homegrown to stay loyal. It's about being part of the Everton family. Born into the club, then choosing to leave. That's all. Nothing personal.

I can disrespect his decision because he was wrong and greedy. If I had the choice at his age and told my Dad I was heading off for Liverpool or Man Utd, he would have been hugely disappointed and would have talked me into staying and having my testimonial at Everton. I understand wanting more money and I don't hate Wayne. I just struggle to deal with the principle.

Malcolm Stout
100 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:22:51
Dave Abrahams – I came across a bit forceful there and I'm not even a scouser.

There is just one niggle about his departure – was he 'pushed' as we badly needed the money? There was even talk of administration at that time... Or, with his outstanding intellect, did he really want to go 'to win things'.

Anthony Dwyer
101 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:24:18
Mason Holgate looked good today if anyone's interested in a positive.
Ray Roche
102 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:28:26
Mark, and what would he have won at Everton?
Ciarán McGlone
103 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:29:59
Holgate looked better than Stones, and save him several times.. yes, a positive.

I hope Koeman knows his best team.. but I can't help thinking our line up against Spurs will be very defensive.

Conor Skelly
104 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:30:35
Glad we kept a clean sheet but pretty poor really and Koeman clearly wasn't happy with a lot of our play. It's early days though and the old habits are there for all to see, namely - playing it backwards.


They obviously have far superior players. An awful lot of our play that goes wrong is just down to lack of quality and can't be blamed on poor management.

It pains me to say this but Baines is finished as far as I can see. He seems to have lost a yard of pace and his left foot has lost some of it's magic. Coleman on the other-hand looked good tonight but watch out for a late bid for his services from the onlooking Jose. I'll be happy to see Stones go, I just hope Pep wasn't watching.


Like I said on another thread - this will get worse before it gets better.

Mike Oates
105 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:33:54
Deulofeu was back to last season's form, rubbish! He's looked good in preseason against 1st, 2nd UK, German 2nd league players but, as soon as he's against quality, they just don't give him time or space to run into and he starts trying little flicks, little punt passes which 99 times out of 100 go straight to an opponent – rightly hooked off after 45 mins.

Was totally surprised with Holgate, who as a wide player in back 3 looks the part, got John Stones out of trouble at least twice with excellent covering. Funes Mori also better out wider. Coleman as a wing back give you so much more going forward, Baines ain't quite there yet.

Barkley quickly needs to sort himself out: slow to the ball, loses it too easily, and contributed nothing in first 45 mins. Still not sure of his best position – as a No 10 he's not good enough to find the spaces between the lines and when he does he invariably slows the play down or runs into blind alleys. As a deeper player he contributes nothing defensively and is a liability.

Stekenlenburg looks promising, just now needs time to work with a constant back 3 or 4. Lukaku put a shift in at least and did trouble the Man Utd back four with his strength.

Chris Gould
106 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:34:03
Ian 91, Musa does look a very good signing for Leicester. But I said it on another thread that Walsh had been preparing for months for this window for Leicester. They bought 5 of his targets before he moved to us. Unfortunately I don't think we will see the best of what he can do for us until future windows.
Mark Ryan
108 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:34:35
It's a fair point, Ray, but he might have been the difference this year in the cup semi-final, ha ha ... and in the derby match (if only)!
Damian Wilde
109 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:34:47
Agree - Baines is finished.
Jay Harris
110 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:38:08
Conor, I can't understand the pessimism. I thought we looked very well organised and fitter and faster than we have been for a long time.

Individually Coleman and Holgate stood out as did Mirallas when he came on second half.

On the negative side, I thought Stones was very poor with Kone, Deulofeu and Barkley only slightly better.

The rest didn't disappoint too much.

Trevor Lynes
111 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:38:12
Remember the EFC legend Dave Hickson... He went to Liverpool never mind Man Utd.

Rooney left an ageing poor Everton side for the chance to win something. Every player worth his salt wants to win caps and trophy's during his career.Our team was a pretty old bunch and Rooney was 16 years old when he broke in. Going away with England he was with loads of Man Utd players plus an agent down his ear. We as a club lacked ambition and Rooney needed to move on to develop the career he has had.

Gary Reeves
112 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:40:52
Ross Barkley? Either I'm completely missing something so obvious that it would confirm my lifelong suspicions that I'm a complete idiot or maybe he IS just shite!?
Simon Bates
113 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:43:23
I thought that was a decent run out.

Stones is so full of mistakes, it has me wondering if he does it on purpose? Holgate plays way beyond his years. Great to see Seamus's new-found attitude since captaining his country.

Swap Barry for Gueye, Ross for McCarthy, with Del, Kev and Rom in a front 3. Got to be worth a look on Saturday.

Actually RM could turn out to be quite successful as he is strictly a cup manager, tailor-made for short-term competitions and surely the bonus is minimal contact with his players!
Ciarán McGlone
114 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:43:30
At least Koeman calls it as it is... "Poor"..

Honesty, at least.

Liam Reilly
115 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:43:58
Stones didn't play well; his head has been turned and we should cash in, before we have a repeat of the Lescott debacle on the first day.

Some good performances: Holgate, Mirallas, Davies, but the side needs new blood and fast. Although it's not all doom and gloom as that twat commentator on BT Sports would have us believe. Good man Hargreaves for putting him back in his bubble.

Ian Horan
117 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:49:20
Mark Ryan, what are you on?? Rooney had to leave Everton when he did; the £27 mill kept the Blues afloat. Even at 16 years old, he was too good for Everton. Let's have some reality here!
Ian Randles
118 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:52:12
The positives from tonight's game being Holgate, who got Stones out of trouble a couple of times, another positive was our switch in more defensive play (some may see this as a negative).

Whilst growing in to a Koeman team we need to get the basics right and not concede goals, it may be a bit dour for a whlie but let's get the early points on the board and springboard from there. A few years ago we all agreed that transformation from the Moyes era will take time, well we are back to square one. So let's get behind Koeman the team and any new additions and and the progress will come.

Sam Hoare
119 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:52:25
We didn't concede and looked solid in defence. Surely a huge step forwards from last season!

Most successful teams are built upon a tight defense.

Conor Skelly
120 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:53:43
Jay - Glass half full, it was quite a disciplined away performance and we defended well. It's plenty to build on.

My main concern would be the movement of the forwards and our lack of quality in midfield is stark. The squad needs a lot and with the season fast approaching I can't see us getting enough in before the window closes.

The good thing is that RK doesn't seem like the kind of guy that will blow smoke up the players arses and tell them a performance was phenomenal when it wasn't. It's not at all doom and gloom but patience definitely needed. It will take until Christmas to get the Martinez virus out of the club.

Stephen Coles
121 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:55:49
Here's another rumour for us all, we are apparently interested in signing Draxler!
Steve Hartwell
122 Posted 03/08/2016 at 23:06:45
Did anyone see Mirallas and Lukaku laughing their way down the tunnel? Unlucky, Belgium.
Jon Withey
123 Posted 03/08/2016 at 23:11:14
Only watched the last 25 mins - no idea where the goals are going to come from, we looked toothless.

On a positive, we look less leaky.and with Tom Davies and Gana we have plenty of midfielders.

Swap out Stones – left winger, striker and experienced defender.

Les Martin
124 Posted 03/08/2016 at 23:11:18
Many of the punters would have had us down for a beating against the big spenders, so a goaless draw is commendable.

I think Ronald will soon get the picture that he would be wise to take the Man City shillings for Stones, and ship out the Barry - McCarthy axis as it's yesterday's midfield; we need better to make progress.

His comments on the transfer front indicate that there could be a few in, and some on their way out.

Ian Bonnette
125 Posted 03/08/2016 at 23:11:18
Martinez, new Belguim manager... wtf!!!! Haha!!!
Garry Corgan
126 Posted 03/08/2016 at 23:49:34
Offer me more money than I could ever dream of to play for Everton, or triple that amount to win trophies at Utd, I pick Everton every time. There isn't even a flicker of doubt in my mind.
Phil Walling
127 Posted 03/08/2016 at 23:53:58
Just another pre-season kick-about. Both sides were crap and will need to improve no end when the fun starts in earnest.

Moyes looked pleased with what he was watching. Pure KITAHTNO with the emphasis on HOPING to Nick one!

Colin Glassar
128 Posted 03/08/2016 at 23:57:47
Was Moyeseh at the game Phil? I hope he was impressed with Niasse.
Nicholas Ryan
129 Posted 03/08/2016 at 00:05:58
I think we need to take the £50 mil for Stones, before Man City wake up and offer £50 mil for Holgate, leaving us with Bambi Cruyff-Turner!!!
Jonathon Laws
130 Posted 03/08/2016 at 00:10:58
I think we'd all have liked Rooney to stay a few more seasons. Beyond that, his desire to achieve the profession's greatest accolades within, at best, a 15-year period playing at the top makes sense imho. Especially when so much of the longevity of a footballer's finances is tied to how they can market their legacy.

As for today's match, I was pleased to see the team moving as a unit, playing with three at the back with some success, and keeping some very good players at bay. The best part was hearing Koeman comment that the players need to be better on the ball. They do. That's progress.

On Martinez – I tentatively wish him luck. I did not expect him to get the opportunity after Everton to put his philosophy to the final test – that is, having top quality players to realize it. (If 'it' exists...) No matter what, I believe he's clearly very skilled at making others believe it does. Last chance.

Mick Davies
131 Posted 04/08/2016 at 00:57:01
Ray @ 102 "Mark, and what would he have won at Everton?" . . . Respect
Eric Holland
132 Posted 04/08/2016 at 01:20:16
"Where's all your medals, Dad?"

"I didn't win anything, Son."

"I thought you where going to be one of the English greats..."

"No, Son... but I got some respect from a few ToffeeWebbers though."

Paul Kossoff
133 Posted 04/08/2016 at 02:33:34
I watched the game and I thought the difference to Martinez's 'ninguna defensa' was remarkable, considering Koeman has only been in charge for a short time.

Yes, we didn't have the ultra fast attacking we want and have seen but hopefully that will come and we could have had three goals.

Ernie Baywood
134 Posted 04/08/2016 at 03:12:28
I've always thought he probably regrets not playing just one or two more seasons at Everton. But then again, there was no scenario where he could leave with our best wishes – it was going to be a drawn out negotiation whenever he went. If you accept that then he might as well go off and make an early start on achieving global recognition as a football legend of his era.

On today, I thought we looked alright. The formation left a bit of a divide between the back 7 and the attacking 3 but the midfielders worked harder to bridge that after half-time.

Hard to judge too much. Was that Koeman bedding in his style or thinking "It's a testimonial, I'll try something different"?

Matt Traynor
135 Posted 04/08/2016 at 03:53:35
Ernie #134, he left at the right time – when he was ready for the Utd first team (he scored a hat-trick on his debut). If BK had delivered the Kings' Dock, maybe he would've seen a possibility of achieving his goals with us, but realistically he's won everything going and has a personal wealth – he'd never have got near it with us.

I grudgingly admire the likes of Shearer who won 1 title, then went to Newcastle for the opportunity to win nothing but adulation. It's easy for dreamers on here to say "if it was me..." – you don't know – and you don't know the pressures that agents, family, even friends put on you to chase the money (and make all of them financially secure).

There was a concerted campaign to get him out of Everton. Granny-gate (he needs to get away from Liverpool – all of 35 miles), the phantom Newcastle bid to smoke out Man Utd.

I also don't want to see him back either. Not because I bear him any ill will – I don't – he's a top lad by all accounts – but I think his performance will decline rapidly, and if he's not in a strong team, will fall off a cliff. That would be painful to witness.

Brian Wilkinson
136 Posted 04/08/2016 at 05:03:54
I only caught the second half, Holgate, Coleman, quite a few others did a decent job.

Not one single comment on Gibson's performance, he broke a lot of play up, played the usual forward passes, cannot recall him giving a ball away, big if, but if we can keep Gibson fit, I still rate him as one of our best midfielders.

Great squad player, so if we use the guy wisely, we might just get a lot more games out of him.

No doubting we were in shit creek only for the Rooney money saving us.

Still baffled by the negatives on here over Rooney.

If you worked for your best mate for say £20k salary, then someone said I will give you £50k, plus bonuses for success, would you stay loyal to your best friend, or take the £50k salary? I cannot fault Rooney one bit for not only taking the money, but also the medals he has, prove he made the right career choice.

There's no doubt Man Utd were the top team when he signed for them. We brought in quite a few players and finished 4th that season; had Rooney stayed, we would not have made those signings.

Do you honestly believe without those additional players, Rooney would have won us silverwere? Not a chance with the team we had before he left.

Brian Wilkinson
137 Posted 04/08/2016 at 05:16:01
Mick @131, that's like going on bull's-eyes, winning the lot, but then gambling for the star prize, first dart in Tony Green's left shoe, single one then out of the board, take your time you need 99 or more, oh dear never mind, let's look at what you could have won, big respect sir for taking the gamble.

As Jim Royle would say, "Respect? My arse, give me success every time."

Paul Ward
138 Posted 04/08/2016 at 05:40:20
There was nobody sadder to see Rooney leave than me. I rank loyalty very strongly but in retrospect that £27 million saved our club and allowed a talent to blossom.

Some of the bitter, twisted and parochial posters on this thread should look at it another way. What about the greats that joined our club (Ball, Kendall, Young, etc) – we didn't call them rats for deserting their clubs.


Tony Draper
139 Posted 04/08/2016 at 06:21:24
Some observations on last nights outing.

United didn't really test our defence, however that hasn't stopped us conceding (especially in the final 10 mins) for the last two seasons. I'm counting that as a tentative step in the right direction, albeit one based on only a small sample.

Stones has ball skills and can pick a pass, occasionally.
Stones has a tendency to forget that he is a centre half.
Stones has a tendency to fanny about, run out of options, then abdicate responsibility by passing back to the keeper who then has a single option, hoof !
Stones has a tendency to repeat errors.
As certain as I am that RK is probably the best possible manager to make the very best of JS, upon last night's showing, I'd suspect that RK could well believe that he'll produce a better result in a shorter period with Mason Holgate.

Ross Barkley in a single passage of play summed up all of his characteristics. Lovely charge out of our half weaving and moving opposition players with ease, Everton players breaking both left and right creating both space and options. Then, RB has to make one of three decisions give it left, give it right or burst through the centre himself.
(We wait.… ...).
We can almost see Ross thinking.
(We wait a few seconds more !).
(We're all thinking, "DO Something lad !).
(We wait again).
He slips on his arse and the ball rolls tamely away.

These two lads have acknowledged talents, but making a simple decision doesn't appear to be a skill that either of them has the first bloody grasp of.

I've continually argued against selling either of them.
But when Stones was rescued by Holgate from his lack of awareness, poor position and failure to make contact with a fairly routine tgrough ball .. well £50M was looking a VERY good decision.

Lesson learned last night for me ?
Making a timely decision is infinitely preferable to having it made for you.


Was £27M not enough and too soon for Rooney ?

And

Is £50M not enough and too soon for Stones ?

Stephen Brown
140 Posted 04/08/2016 at 08:17:06
If we keep John Stones much longer, I feel like it will be like burning money. Many more performances like the ones he's been giving will see his value plummet and at the same time cost points all while his contract runs down.

Take whatever Man City are offering and give Swansea City what they want for Ashley Williams. Then, in 2 years time, when Williams is nearing the end, Holgate will have more first-team experience under his belt. On last night's performance he has plenty of potential.

Eddie Dunn
141 Posted 04/08/2016 at 08:25:53
To the Rooney apologists on here (and there are a lot of you). We don't know the facts regarding the finances of the club at the time. Also, banks would normally look upon your young starlet as an asset and therefore would be less likely to call in debts. The the more you owe these people, the less likely they are to force you out of business.

Aside from the financial stuff, he could have stayed with us and he could have been the vital ingredient to get us past Villarreal the following year, thus getting us into the knockout stages- and who knows what would happen? Ditto many other pivotal moments and possible medal-winning opportunities for the lad to fill his cabinet with us.

To the posters who would follow the money – Who knows what riches we promised him? Probably a much better deal, and his advisers would have known that, in a year or two, the option to go would still be there.

Sorry folks, he and his advisers were greedy so-and-so's and he knows he pissed on his chips with true Blues. The Mancs really hate him and they won't be naming any stands after him.

Incidentally, he looks a shadow of his former self.

David Chait
142 Posted 04/08/2016 at 08:44:32
Very defensive performance last night but saying that we easily had the best 3 chances and should have converted 2 of them.

Barkley I'm convinced will have a good season, although does need to step up as a leader and game manager. He wasn't at his best last night but I'm also sure that having 5 defenders and 2 defensive midfielders who rarely show for the ball and one who certainly doesn't look to play forward doesn't help him. I think we will see a different player with Gueye and AN Other.

I really hope Besic is okay... I thought his 10 minutes were good and showed his very good passing range and desire to rather go forward than back... and he shows for the ball.

Ian Cowhig
143 Posted 04/08/2016 at 09:03:42
Wasn't a spectacle by any means. But what I was happy with was the energy level shown by the players. Some of whom last year looked as though they were running in toffee.

One example was Oviedo, who looked all at sea in a number of games that he was left back while Baines was injured towards the back end of last season. But last night looked a lot fitter, and so looked a better player. Reminded me more of the player we had two years ago.

Damian Wilde
144 Posted 04/08/2016 at 09:12:57
IMO the problem with Rooney going, wasn't that he left, but the way that he did; leaving us hanging (when we had an increased wage offer on the table), leaving without doing an article in the Echo thanking the fans, explaining his reasons, etc. He was behaving like an idiot. Look at Arteta, we were disappointed and we all loved him, but he left gracefully; subsequently little hate towards him (if any).

Re: the game. I thought we looked defensively more organised (Holgate playing well, Stones making errors though) and played okay. We created chances, not a lot, but Man Utd were well set up (typical Jose side). Half-decent result, with obvious room for improvement, which our manager refreshingly pointed out.

Looks like we need an attacking midfielder and a few strikers (Rom was poor). Mirallas played well – he must be devastated with the news about the new Belgium manager, defies belief!!!

Looking forward to the Spurs game, but hoping we sign a few players, we need to. Glad to see people are a little more optimistic.

Ray Roche
145 Posted 04/08/2016 at 09:36:20
Eddie, in Rooney's defence, and I can't believe I'm saying that, Rooney was 18 and maybe had his brains in his feet if you know what I mean, and put his trust in his "advisers".

Tell me, were you wise enough to make a life changing decision when you were that age, especially if some one was waving millions of pounds and a Champions League medal in front of you? I wasn't. Probably still the case

As for what "riches we promised him", we were on the bones of our arse and probably couldn't afford whatever we offered him.

Brian Williams
146 Posted 04/08/2016 at 09:40:45
Eddie Dunn. #141. "Rooney apologists"? Or in other words people who see things with regard to Rooney leaving differently from you!

He could have stayed and changed things against Villarreal? Yeh and he's definitely pissed on his chips with true Blues – well, you're wrong. I'm a true Blue and I certainly don't feel that way.

I said in another post that some people seem to think if you don't hate Wayne Rooney you're not a proper Evertonian. I won't go into what makes me a proper Evertonian, or a better one than the next bloke, that's ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as your statement.

Rooney has won 10 major honours, broke the English scoring record (yeh, I know he might have done that playing for us). Is very close to breaking Sir Bobby Charlton's scoring record for Man Utd...

What have we done? And that's not Rooney's fault. He's an easy target to take out frustrations on and blame for our dismal position in today's football world.

The fact that the Mancs hate him (your words not mine) might just be to do with the fact that he's never renounced Everton completely and obviously has, and shows, feelings for the club. If they DO hate him, maybe it's because they're as bitter as you obviously are and can't see things in a reasonable light.

Reckon they should grow up, don't you? :-)

Eugene Ruane
147 Posted 04/08/2016 at 09:41:22
Eddie Dunn (96) - 'As for Rooney, he looks like a man who has prostituted himself for gold. He knows he's a fraud and the Mancs (and their united nations of glory-hunters) secretly despise him. Add to that the fawning commentator obsessing over the spoilt little brats' and hoping for a Utd goal...'

Link

Phil Walling
148 Posted 04/08/2016 at 09:50:59
Whatever the protestations and phoney tears, BK was absolutely desperate for cash when the Man Utd offer came in.

Clearly the kid was above the level at which Everton were performing and able to reward him and it was right to' let the bird fly'.

Although some actions of his agents were questionable, all in all, they have done right by him and have steered his career to mega success.

Most of us have always wished the best for the lad (except when he's playing against the Blues) and hope his success continues for a few years yet.

But hate if you must. I hope you feel better for it.

Brin Williams
149 Posted 04/08/2016 at 09:54:05
IC (#143) – Oviedo seems to have 'grown' certainly put a bit of weight on. I always thought there was a good player in there somewhere, pity about his career being interrupted with that nasty accident!

He is one that I would keep – unless there is a load of wonga for him.

Paul Tran
150 Posted 04/08/2016 at 09:55:45
Completely agree, Phil. Couldn't have put it better myself.
Simon Jones
151 Posted 04/08/2016 at 10:00:18
I have something in common with Wayne, I was born a Blue. Most other comparisons stop there, I am hopeless at playing football for one. I was upset when he left, not because I felt hatred towards him, but MY team was losing it's best player. I remember watching the Euros in 2004 and telling my mum he'd done so well that he'd never play for us again. Sadly I was correct in my assumption.

Over the years I have watched him play, I have enjoyed seeing him, usually in Champions League games. His hunger for the ball, his ability, his obvious joy for the game are worth watching. I am pleased that we had him for two years, I am sad that he didn't stay with us... but here's the thing... I would crawl over broken glass to be able to play for Everton, I would love to have a tenth of Wayne's ability, but if I was as good as him and the 2004/5 Man United team came calling, I bet I would have signed that contract too.

Rob Halligan
152 Posted 04/08/2016 at 10:06:36
Simon, if you had a tenth of Rooney's ability, you probably could have been a professional footballer, cos believe me, there are an awful lot of players who are, or were, nowhere near the ability Rooney had, even when he first broke into the Everton team and certainly in his first few years with Man Utd.
Tony Abrahams
153 Posted 04/08/2016 at 10:51:18
Tony 139, have to agree with you with regards to Ross Barkley. In the second half he received the ball with his back to goal, and shook Sniederlan off twice, whilst going towards our goal. He then turns, so he can now see the play in front of him, and gave a five yard pass to either Besic, or McCarthy, who had their head down, again facing Everton's goal.

The kid has got loads of ability, but suffers from either not being very switched on, or he's scared to take on more responsibility, because he's too nice?

Christy Ring
154 Posted 04/08/2016 at 11:20:43
Rooney was sold by BK to keep the club afloat. If I remember rightly, it was reported Newcastle bid over £20m for Wayne, I don't know if it was true, but it's the reason we got United to pay over £27m for Wayne, and Bill took the money.

I hope Koeman changes the system, and plays McCarthy only as defensive midfielder.

Ray Roche
155 Posted 04/08/2016 at 11:37:21
Christy, I watched McCarthy closely last night, I think he only played the ball forward once. Unless he came to life the few minutes I slipped out to make a cuppa.

That was partly our problem last night and last season. Our defensive midfielder can only play sideways or backwards.. Ludicrous. He'd be a squad member, not first choice.

Raymond Fox
156 Posted 04/08/2016 at 11:52:19
Rooney comes across as a decent young man.

He's a football pro, if you can secure your own and families future for generations you would be mad not to go for it. Okay, he would still have become a wealthy man if he had stayed with us, but not to the same degree.

If you resent him for his transfer, I think you should start using the other eye.

Colin Malone
158 Posted 04/08/2016 at 12:32:51
Ronald Koeman has to get hold of Ross Barkley. Tell him to concentrate for 90 minutes, stop ball-watching. Start turning players and charge forward, he has the lower body weight to turn players. He never does it. We have a diamond but it's still rough.
John Dean
159 Posted 04/08/2016 at 12:50:39
If Rooney had stayed, turning down a fortune and worldwide attention on a weekly basis, how would he have been feeling 6 months down the line when we didn't have the cash to improve the squad and he's playing with second class players, fighting a losing battle against relegation?

That self-respect would have turned to "what a bloody idiot I was to stay". And all those Rooney haters would still be blaming him for reasons they haven't yet thought of.

Rob Baker
160 Posted 04/08/2016 at 13:06:42
Here's what he's won since leaving us:

5 X Premier League: 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11, 2012–13, 1X FA Cup winner: 2015–16,
2x Football League Cup: 2005–06, 2009–10
3X FA Community Shield: 2007, 2010, 2011
1x UEFA Champions League: 2007–08
FIFA Club World Cup: 2008

Here's what he could've won for us:




Therein lies the point. Was it about money or the chance to win silverware. Personally I would have him back but feel he is over the hill and would not improve our team particularly

Steven Jones
161 Posted 04/08/2016 at 13:29:08
Phil 148 - well said ... spot on.

Couple of things ...

His kids in Man Utd kits will be in Blue ones again shortly.

Rooney himself when asked when or why he left – he said words to effect " I was being selfish" at the time. Not far away from recognition – near an apology.

Steven Jones
162 Posted 04/08/2016 at 13:35:39
I am a sentimental fool, however – I just want him to come back one season and score a goal and celebrate like he used to do to our crowd in our beloved Goodison Park.

I have noticed he does not celebrate to the Man Utd crowd, only to the heavens.

Alan Bodell
163 Posted 04/08/2016 at 13:38:19
Raymond Fox #156 and others lately have it spot on, who would not move from a place they love to enhance their financial security for the family's future, we all love Everton and that will never change but
how many of us wouldn't do what he did ? - be honest.
When he is retired and we play the Mancs I think I know where his heart lies.
Paul Conway
164 Posted 04/08/2016 at 14:54:49
Rooney at leased realised his potential! The same can't he said about Barkley. I can see Koeman giving him one more season.

it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him having a reunion with Moyes at Sunderland. There could start a trend of reunions already kickied off with Mirallas and Lukaku to Martinez!

Stan Schofield
165 Posted 04/08/2016 at 15:14:53
Man Utd have dominated British football in the last decade or so, and Rooney's contribution is remarkable. Plus his goal record for England. But the guy has constantly been criticised in the media, who focused on one or two relatively minor things with England early in his career to vilify him. I often think he's been a victim of the Thatcheresque Scouse bashing also carried out by the media, plus the fact that a guy with his background earning a million pounds a month doesn't go down too well with a lot of people.

For me, firstly I'm not too fussed about how much he or other footballers earn, so long as they earn it, nor who they play for (apart from wanting all the best ones to play for us, obviously). I say good luck to the guy. Yes, I was disappointed when he left us, but that's life, and it's only a game.

Ste Traverse
166 Posted 04/08/2016 at 15:26:41
Amazing how many on here are happy to brown nose someone who has kissed the Manc badge right in front of us.

Of course he left for a better chance of winning things. But playing in front of a bunch of pricks who spend every game chanting anti-Scouse hatred? I don't wish them or him any success.

And his kids wearing United kits puts to bed once and for all the beauts on here (who I always disagreed with) claiming he's bringing his kids up Blues.

Paul Kossoff
168 Posted 04/08/2016 at 16:08:28
Well put Ste, couldn't agree more.
Stan Schofield
170 Posted 04/08/2016 at 16:44:23
Ste @166: There's a spectrum of admiration, ranging from complete and sickening brown nosing at one end, to ridiculous vilification at the other. Most judgemental comments, like the posts on here, are somewhere in-between those extremes. Neither 'brown nosing' nor ridiculous vilification, just people's opinions.
Mick Davies
171 Posted 04/08/2016 at 16:47:20
Ste @ 166, I couldn't have summed up my feelings better than you have: I remember Owen getting crucified by kopites for leaving, but he gave them 8 years, a few trophies and the money-spinning bonus of his global image. He wasn't even a boyhood red!

With 'our boyhood blue', we got barely 2 years, after the club nurtured him into a world class player, protected his shady granny-shagging past from the media, then watched him leave as a teenager for less than a third of what Bale cost.

He went from £80 pw to £10,000 pw at 17, so I'm sure he wasn't short of cash, and if he had shown any loyalty, who knows what we could have won? I remember Bob Latchford, the best striker of his generation giving Everton the best 7 years of his career while we won sweet FA, but never once did he ask to leave.

Rooney won't be remembered by the Mancs once he's gone, as they detest scousers, but if he'd just given us a few more years, his name could have been etched in our history, like Labone, Harvey, Reid, Hickson, Dean etc. Local lads are always revered as I hope Baines will be – I couldn't imagine him kissing another club's badge at Goodison.

Mick Davies
172 Posted 04/08/2016 at 16:57:05
Brian @ 137, why don't we all go and support Chelsea, or City? They win things: we could leave Everton without even blinking eh?

No, that's because we ARE once and always blues, not just glory hunters. You can't equate a football club with any other 'job'. Try reading about England international Steve Bull.

Ray Roche
173 Posted 04/08/2016 at 17:09:36
Mick (#17)

Just a point, Mick, I'm not sure you can compare the Labone, Harvey, Reid, Hickson, Dean etc era with the one we have today. If we still had the wages and financial restraints now as we had then, then I could see more players staying at their clubs.

What would be the point of moving, family, schools, friends etc., for a similar wage and you're still playing in a League where any one of ten or twelve teams might have a chance of winning? And no Champions League football. We all like to think that our boyhood heros would stay but in truth, we don''t really know for sure.

There are not many top players these days that stay at their home club when there's little chance of winning anything... it may have been the same then. It's difficult to compare the two, three eras.

Martin Mason
175 Posted 04/08/2016 at 17:25:00
Surely nobody in their right mind would have expected Rooney to get his kids to wear Everton shirts on his Man United testimonial/charity match? Unbelievable.
Phil Walling
176 Posted 04/08/2016 at 17:31:59
By my recollection of the days of wage regulation and the modest rewards that followed, the usual reason for movement between clubs was loss of form/ place in side or a dispute with manager often over 'summer wages' (Stanley Matthews at Stoke ).

Almost up to the launch of the PL , there was very much 'a master and servant ' relationship twixt club and player which was swept away by the Bosman ruling. By far the biggest change occurred with the 'legalising'of agents since when the law of the jungle has operated.

Only supporters remain loyal - almost to an obsessive degree.

Barry Williams
177 Posted 04/08/2016 at 17:35:14
Ray, 173

You have hit the nail on the head. Different eras, different circumstances, therefore hard to compare. Let's remember how young and impressionable Rooney was when he left. Plus, and I hate to say this, a lot of players from the Rooney era and even more so now do not have a true grounding in what it means to work for a living and what a privilege it is to be a football player. They operate in a different sphere, which is why I have a love hate relationship with football these days!

Eddie Dunn
178 Posted 04/08/2016 at 17:44:22
Brian 146, perhaps he only "pissed on his chips with some true Blues then. I certainly don't hate the man, far from it. I do though feel a tad sorry for him having to pretend to like his club. Last night he looked uncomfortable and his best days are now behind him.
Some on here forgive him due to his tender years, or his advisers. These last few seasons he has surely made himself financially secure and could have returned to us to fulfill what I imagine is an ambition to win something with his boyhood club.
I doubt that we will benefit if he deigns to join us in a year or two , as I see a player on the wane(excuse the pun)!
Sam Barrett
179 Posted 04/08/2016 at 17:46:49
Sorry lads haven't read all above comments but here goes. On Rooney, a lot of people very apologetic of him here. I made a point last night just to say he is not an Evertonian and cannot be any more. I'm an Evertonian and would never EVER have gone to Utd. I don't need to explain myself any more. As for the game, defensively we looked good (apart from Stones). Stones' play was absolutely awful and he's playing like that for one of two reasons. 1. He's shite. 2. He's playing shite on purpose to engineer a move. Whatever reason is the truth we must sell him immediately. The other positive was Holgate, looked like a natural defender.
Patrick Murphy
180 Posted 04/08/2016 at 17:47:47
There is probably no other period in Everton's history which would have allowed Rooney to have left Everton FC under any circumstances. The facts are the facts, Everton FC needed the fee and Rooney wanted to leave to join United.

I don't have any dislike for Rooney because of his move, perhaps, when he is an old man he will always think that he should have been in the top five all-time Everton greats, but circumstances didn't allow him that opportunity albeit it was as much his choice as anyone else's. Instead he has become a United legend but he will not gain the same adulation from the OT crowd as he would have done from Evertonians, if he had achieved success at Goodison Park. Perhaps one of his sons will find themselves in a similar position and have some of his talent and will be able to fulfil the dream of playing for and becoming successful with Everton FC.

We may never produce a player of Rooney's rare talent ever again, but we always hope to, and it is churlish to dislike or even hate a person for making what he believed to be the right choice for him and his family at the time. None of us know what we would have done in his position even if we think we do.


Sam Barrett
181 Posted 04/08/2016 at 17:54:54
Patrick, I know what I would have done.
Ged Simpson
182 Posted 04/08/2016 at 17:55:01
Sam. This is real life not comic book football. I would probably have left. Not for cash but to play with better players. If I hadn't, I would curse myself as I sat looking back at another frustratingly crap draw that got us to Euro League with my kids.
Chris Hockenhull
183 Posted 04/08/2016 at 17:58:52
Mick Davies 171...Bob Latchford actuallly asked for a move twice when he was at Everton 1976 and again in 1979
Ste Traverse
184 Posted 04/08/2016 at 18:24:14
Martin #175

I don't think many were expecting him to put any of his kids in Everton kits, but many on here for quite a few years have argued he's bringing his kids up Evertonians when it's now totally clear to all those who have claimed this he's not.

Paul Conway
185 Posted 04/08/2016 at 18:25:39
Get rid of Lukaku right away! Martinez just promised to turn him into the world's best!

He also said Belgium have 'the world at their feet.'

But warns of overburdening them!

He just did – by his appointment!

Mick Davies
186 Posted 04/08/2016 at 18:46:06
Chris @ 183, I hardly missed a game throughout the mid to late 70's home or away, and this coincided with Latchford's time at Everton. I don't remember him asking for a transfer.
Anyhow, I am too much of an Evertonian to give any credit to someone who abused Everton FC and our fans. A lot of posts over the last year or so have been vilifying Lukaku for wanting to get away from the club and calling him disrespectful! Well at least he's got the guts to talk to the media about the situation, and not keep quiet and leave the manager to take the stick . . total hypocrisy
Ray Roche
187 Posted 04/08/2016 at 18:57:10
Ste,#184,
He was interviewed in the run up to the match and quite clearly stated that his kids actually support both teams, own both kits and the eldest walks round singing the Ross Barkley,his favourite player, "Diamond" song. I wouldn't expect him to have his kids wearing Everton kits at Old Trafford, how would WE react if the position was reversed. Phil Neville took a dogs abuse off some gobshites purely for playing for United before he came here despite playing almost as many games for us as them.
A lot is being made over nothing here.
He went, made millions, won everything he could at club level and still loves Everton. What would posters on here have done in the same position? " I'd have stayed here and won fuck all, the club would have gone bust and I'd have been blamed".

Stayed here? Yeah. Right. 'Course you would

Eddie Dunn
188 Posted 04/08/2016 at 19:09:07
Ray. I would have stayed .
Brian Wilkinson
189 Posted 04/08/2016 at 19:20:02
What was he supposed to put his kids in then, Pokemon or spongebob tshirts, it was at Old trafford, the proceeds were going to a worthwhile charity, no brainer he sat his son in the utd dugout, with a utd shirt on, cannot fault him for that.

Steve Bull been mentioned, put into the hat le tissier, both loyal but hardly anything to show.

Ball, Harvey, Kendall, Reid, Young, all these players are brought up time and again, all sucessful.

How many times do you get comments about Mick Lyons on here, not often, he loved Everton, would go through a brick wall for us, whether in defence, or diving in an oppentments box to get an header on goal, not many bigger Evertonians than Lyons, but he never managed success as an Everton captain, he cried when he scored that own goal at Anfield, but his lack of success sometimes never gets brought up on here, when talking about our past players.

People remember players who lifted trophies at Everton aside from Latchford Mckenzie etc.

Rooney left Everton when we were even turned down by wonga, we were on our arse, no question about that, yet Rooney gets unbelievable stick.

Lineker on the other hand, left a team that was one of the best in Europe, we had a great team, money and success, yet he left, its understandable Rooney leaving for the most successful premiership team, at best Everton were a half decent side but nowhere near utd at the time.

If we were all the same, would be pointless having a fans forum, I do not think fans are wrong to condem Rooney, no more than Those who have no grudge towards him.

People still talk about his utd badge kissing, he took vile stick from us about his weight and his father, so to speak everytime we played utd, I doubt he would have celebtated in the same gesture, without the constant abuse he got from us everytime he touched the ball.

Utd fans are lucky to have had such a talented footballer, one which they never appreciated.

Andy Walker
190 Posted 04/08/2016 at 19:23:08
Rooney wanted to be the best he could be, top class players have that ambition built in. If Everton were a top team he'd have stayed, but we weren't. He left to better himself and play for one of the top teams in the world. Wasn't a bad call was it, numerous honours and his family financially secure for generations.

How anyone could begrudge someone else for wanting to better themselves is truly beyond me. There's people on here who state they never would have left Everton if they'd been in his shoes, as if they have more love for our club then Rooney. Eh, hello, it's simply not valid to make such a comparison because you were never in Rooney's position, can't you see that? He's different, that's what helped make him the player he was, exceptional ability, determination and ambition to be the best. If you are fortunate to have the natural ability PLUS these additional attributes you will think and act differently to the rest of us, so there's no point presumptuously assuming you'd be different, you don't know that.

Someone quoted Steve Bull, I rest my case, he wasn't in the same league. Perhaps he missed the same degree of desire and ambition which Rooney had, which is why Bull stayed at Wolves but Rooney went on to test himself against the best. It's in his character.

So please a little less self righteousness and try and understand what makes people different and respect it. Rooney has shown loads of respect for our club and he'll no doubt be at GP or wherever we end up, week in, week out with his kids watching his team once he's retired from playing.

Brent Stephens
191 Posted 04/08/2016 at 19:27:29
Andy Walker, well said. And the vast majority of blues would have him back in a flash, I sense. The reception he got at GP at that testimonial last year. The reception he got from blues at Old Trafford last night. Says it all.
Darren Hind
192 Posted 04/08/2016 at 19:37:09
Everton lost at least ten points a season when Rooney left and Man Utd gained at least ten when he arrived

There are times (particularly when Baines, Pienaar and Coleman were ripping the arse out of teams when an Everton with Rooney would have been better than a Man Utd without. He WAS the difference. The glass ceiling we came so close to breaking would have been smashed to pieces if he was with us.

He was good enough to make the difference and he knows it. He chose the money.

He had every right to make the decision he did, but Evertonian ? Na... a real Evertonian with his ability would have stayed and tilted the balance in our favour, not joined the enemy and tilted it in theirs.

Eric Holland
193 Posted 04/08/2016 at 19:38:39
Ste #166

I bet there would have been no badge kissing from Rooney if it wasn't for the ignorant minority shouting shameful insults at him about him and his family.

Darren Hind
194 Posted 04/08/2016 at 19:44:39
BTW; I was shouted down recently for suggesting Holgate would leap frog Funes Mori in the pecking order under RK.

I came away last night thinking its a forgone conclusion. I love this kid. Him and Stones could smash the doors to the School of Science wide open again.

Keep Stones and these two absolute naturals will become the best partnership in the game.

Eric Holland
195 Posted 04/08/2016 at 19:45:38
Agreed Darren think Holgate is going to be something special.
Damian Wilde
200 Posted 04/08/2016 at 19:58:00
Darren, so what you're saying is Everton would have won 10 major honours, rather than Man Utd, had he stayed? Nonsense. Man Utd were already successful and would have continued winning trophies. Everton may have won a cup, maybe not.

The 'he went for the money' is rubbish. Everton were never going to win trophies or play in the Champions League, he did that with Man Utd – why he left, simple. The 'extra' cash (he was hardly going to be skint staying at Everton was he?) was just a bonus.

Ray Said
201 Posted 04/08/2016 at 19:59:22
My take is that he went to WORK for Man Utd – that doesn't stop him being a Blue. None of us have the right to decide who is a 'true blue' or not. Remember we are chosen, we don't choose so we also don't get to choose who is blue or not.

Most kids would want to support the club their dad plays for.

The game raised lots of money and a large part of that will go to Alder Hey and Claire's House, so well done, Rooney.

Mick Davies
202 Posted 04/08/2016 at 20:03:00
Brent @ 191 "And the vast majority of blues would have him back in a flash, I sense."

Well if your missus ran off with a guy you hated, gave him her best years, flaunted him in front of you provocatively, then asked to come back, would you have the dignity to tell her where to go?

I love Everton, and hate anyone who disrespects this club. Please keep your baseless statistics to yourself, because I don't believe most 'Evertonians' would have him back.

Chris Hockenhull
203 Posted 04/08/2016 at 20:17:33
Mick 186. Yes it did happen. He asked for a move at the tail end of the 1976 season under Billy Bingham. In his book, I think he mentions being asked his opinion on the manager by John Moores so I think – although Bingham signed him – he didn't have much faith in Bingham.

Then he, along with a few others, like Colin Todd and Dave Thomas, fell out of favour with Gordon Lee in 1979. He was dropped but then asked to be taken off the transfer list about October. He reappeared the week after on the bench when we played Feynoord in the Uefa Cup and came on during the second leg at Goodison when we lost .

Martin Mason
204 Posted 04/08/2016 at 20:24:12
Ste@184

We select a team based on how we are influenced as kids, it's like being brainwashed but not quite as bad as religion. My Dad was a Koppite, I supported Everton, Rooney's kids are surrounded by their old man's employer and by friends and school mates who support United. Cool kids outside of Liverpool don't support Everton. He is doing exactly right by not brainwashing his kids and allowing them to make their own minds up.

Only an idiot wouldn't have Rooney back at our club.

Brent Stephens
205 Posted 04/08/2016 at 20:27:49
Mick #202 "Please keep your baseless statistics to yourself, because I don't believe most 'Evertonians' would have him back."

I'll post whatever the mods allow me to post, Mick. I didn't post baseless stats. I reported what I heard and saw myself (the warm applause) when I attended those two testimonials. And I said that on the basis of that warm applause "I sense" most Evertonians would have him back - a fairly tentative statement. You believe otherwise. You're welcome to post that. And I'll continue to post my beliefs, so you'll have to accept that I'm afraid. Sorry but there you go.

Andy Walker
206 Posted 04/08/2016 at 20:33:14
Mick 202, don't get the analogy (I assume) of comparing someone's wife leaving their husband, with a professional footballer changing employers. Quite emotive but equally as bizarre.

The very best professional footballers have ambitions to be the best player they can be, win the most honours they can in the game and provide as much as possible financial security for their family. In other words they aspire to having the best playing career that they can, but it's a career, not a lifetime and eventually it will end. How that stacks up against anyone's missus leaving them for another fella is beyond me.

Mark Ryan
207 Posted 04/08/2016 at 20:44:20
I feel a little irresponsible for perhaps kicking this off yesterday with a post that was clearly in some peoples views harsh and ignorant. I apologise if it upset anyone. It seemed to light the touchpaper for some.

I wrote a post and it was never meant to start a "Rooney – love him or hate him" debate but it 's happened and I'm sure it's probably happened on this website before now. I can see both sides.

I read Darren's post and I agree and then I read others speaking in glowing terms about him and I see their point too. It might be an idea to have a vote and ask "would we have improved with him and won any trophies" and perhaps another that asks "would you want him back now". Perhaps the answer to both is already too obvious.

I guess it's good that we don't all agree and it's what makes the forum interesting. For what it's worth, I find every post interesting and respect everyone's differing views because we are all Evertonians and that's pretty special.

John Daley
208 Posted 04/08/2016 at 20:45:11
"Cool kids outside of Liverpool don't support Everton"

Martin,

I imagine you think the 'cool kids' still ride around on those chopper cycles with the giant winnit chafing seats, crappy flag and a dandelion & burdock bottle squashed above the back wheel for the best 'flap, flap, flap' sound, before skidding to a halt, giving a half hearted thumbs up and finishing with a Fonz from Happy Days style "eyyyyyyyyy".

Dave Abrahams
209 Posted 04/08/2016 at 20:54:29
Mark (207), you wrote from the heart, what you believed, I had a different viewpoint from yours, but that is all it was, a different opinion. Carry on writing the way you did, honestly.
Brent Stephens
210 Posted 04/08/2016 at 21:03:01
What Dave Abrahams #209 said.
Gary Reeves
211 Posted 04/08/2016 at 21:24:45
Mick Davies – a couple of Latchford facts,while you were on the subject.

(1) If you were a passionate regular in the late '70s, then you should surely remember Bob's "strike action" along with Thomas and Todd (who had also decided they couldn't be arsed anymore). My recollection is that nobody came in for him and he reappeared in the Feyenoord game – tail firmly between legs.

(2) Latchford was never all that. He was a hero in an otherwise barren spell for us – and that's fine,we all need a hero. Sure he knew where the net was too but he could be clumsy and very immobile – his control was often the subject of much merriment. I thank him for the memory of that Chelsea "30th goal game" but he rarely made his goals through skill and awareness – he got his goals from crosses and corners, so was only ever as good as the service.

Eugene Ruane
212 Posted 04/08/2016 at 21:26:23
Mark - 'For what it's worth I find every post interesting and respect everyones differing views'

For what it's worth I definitely don't.

That's not a dig at you by the way, but I reserve the right to think (and say) 'what a load of shite' (and show no respect) for venting passing as opinion.

"..I can just imagine Rooney laying in his Jacuzzi that's full of them little gold ingots that meffy povs wear on chunky gold chains and all round the bathroom is photos of Everton supporters and Rooney's flicking ingots at us and showing us his arse and then he goes on the bog which is shaped like Goodison and shits all over us. And yet some still defen..."

Etc.

Tony Abrahams
213 Posted 04/08/2016 at 21:31:11
Two good posts Darren, especially the one about Rooney, being a true blue mate, because we all know actions, speak much louder than words.

First time I have ever seen Holgate play, last night and he was very impressive. Reminded me of a kid who used to play for Forest, years ago, called Gary Charles, who had the football world at his feet, before he went off the rails.

Have to agree that if Koeman, is going to play 3 at the back, then Stones and Holgate, would be brilliant together, if we could just get a dominant leader to play alongside them.

Andy Crooks
214 Posted 04/08/2016 at 21:47:50
I have read every post and and it's a brilliant thread. I like Rooney, I think he's a great player, I would play for Everton for the public sector pittance I earn now. However, I absolutely accept that after a couple of good games I might well want a bit more. So, how much is enough? I have come to the conclusion that I will never know but Wayne does.

I think that Matt Le Tissier knows. Was he right? He is a Saint for the Saints and I have a good deal of respect for him, but, my God, it could have been different for him.

Oliver Molloy
215 Posted 04/08/2016 at 22:17:52
Moving away from the very understandable different opinions of "Once a Blue, Always a Blue " Rooney, I was wondering what ToffeeWebbers made of Stones and Lukaku both starting the game?

I reckon this was a firm statement by the club and manager that these guys are OUR players and will do what they are told – by Everton.

Peter Laing
216 Posted 04/08/2016 at 22:39:09
Manchester United legend, end of.
Ray Roche
217 Posted 04/08/2016 at 22:41:23
Andy, good point you make about Le Tissier. At Southampton he's still revered and regarded almost as a God down there, and amongst all football fans who remember him he was a tremendous player but how many fan across Europe would know who he is?

There are two trains of thought here, one would suggest he is a king amongst men by staying with the club he supported as a boy and which he loved, the other is that he was too comfortable being the big fish in a small pond who never had the ambition to really set the football world alight on a bigger stage?

Rooney? Maybe Everton's ambition didn't match his.

Mike Green
218 Posted 04/08/2016 at 23:05:32
The thing that hurt about Rooney was that a club with our history and standing in the game couldn't hold onto a boy, the best of his generation, who would've loved to have achieved his dreams with us.

It was most likely the best thing for his career and the club but the people who lost out were us, Evertonians. It's taken 12 years but I'm over it.

Jon Cox
219 Posted 04/08/2016 at 23:17:22
So Rooney had a job in Manchester. Big deal,

Like it or not, as far as he's concerned, he's still one of us. whether people argue till they're blue in the face or red with rage,
It's the only fact in town.

Brian Williams
220 Posted 04/08/2016 at 23:35:51
Mike Green#218.

"The thing that hurt about Rooney was that a club with our history and standing in the game couldn't hold onto a boy, the best of his generation, who would've loved to have achieved his dreams with us".

That paragraph just about sums it all up perfectly!

Andy Crooks
221 Posted 04/08/2016 at 23:36:09
Jon, I like that. "Rooney had a job in Manchester" – I think that is a top post.
Eddie Dunn
222 Posted 04/08/2016 at 23:39:45
Ray, when you say "how many fans across Europe would know who he is", Who cares what the average fan in Europe knows about anything? The average fan in Europe is probably out playing Pokeman Go, whilst listening to Dubstep whilst riding a moped.
Stan Schofield
223 Posted 04/08/2016 at 23:39:47
Oliver @215: My thought too. The new management is just getting on with the job in hand, including not letting our best players go, because we don't have to.
Peter Laing
224 Posted 04/08/2016 at 23:47:44
Jon, how is Rooney one of us ? Care to explain as your statement is total nonsense. Rooney is a Manchester United player, he talks in the present about winning trophies with Manchester United and his loyalty is as one would expect to them.
Darren Hind
225 Posted 05/08/2016 at 04:37:25
Damien Wilde,

I'm having trouble understanding how you got what you did from what I said. I know it suits the argument you want to present, but nobody is saying we'd have won 10 trophies and the Mancs would have won none.

"Man United were already successful" – no shit, Sherlock! Rooney's presence made them even more successful.

We went close on more than one occasion to qualifying for Champions League place, if you don't think a Rooney in the team would not have gotten us over the line, changing the entire landscape, then I suspect you will be in a minority of one. That's what good players do.

He could have stayed and made US successful. So what if he didn't win ten trophies? 2-3 trophies and Champions League football in a blue shirt would surely be more valuable to an Evertonian than a dozen for a club most of us despise. He could have been our Stephen Gerrard.

You show a touching naivety when you claim he didn't go for the money, be absolutely certain that he would have gone nowhere if they were offering LESS than we could. He went for the money, He stayed for the money, he even held them to ransom.... for the money.

Look, I'm not here to bash Rooney, he is a fine player who has bordered (IMO) on being world class. It always makes me smile to think of 75,000 mancs forking out their hard-earned to worship a boy from a City they hate everything about – I often wonder how they reconcile themselves to their best player being one of those hated scousers...

As pointed out above. Nobody has the right to determine who is and who isn't an Evertonian, but we all have our views.

Would you trade being successful and mega rich playing for Everton, for being more successful and even richer playing for THAT club? I guess only Wayne Rooney will ever face that decision.

The badge kissing was difficult to stomach, the star jumps in front of Park End more so, but when he ran the length of the Old Trafford pitch to taunt Evertonians after Ronaldo's last-gasp penalty winner, he crossed the line for me. The one that says (in invisible writing) Evertonian on one side and NOT Evertonian on the other.

Darren Hind
226 Posted 05/08/2016 at 05:02:04
Just realised its Steven Gerrard, not Stephen - so used to just referring to him as gobshite
Ray Roche
227 Posted 05/08/2016 at 09:39:06
Eddie Dunn #222

Eddie, when I say "how many fans across Europe would know who he is", the point I was making is that Le Tissier COULD have been a star on the world stage, so to speak, known throughout Europe as a wonderful player as opposed to a man who wouldn't be recognised outside of an island in the Channel or a seaside town in Hampshire, unless you are a real footie fan. Lack of ambition? Cosy little nest he's frightened to leave?

AND, further more, I'd like you to give a precise explanation of what exactly "dubstep" is. Can it be cured by talc or something from the Scholl range of foot care products?

Paul Ward
228 Posted 05/08/2016 at 10:45:44
Eddie Dunn, Maybe if you travel it might broaden your mind.
Paul Burns
229 Posted 05/08/2016 at 12:38:52
If I was the best footballer in the world, I would play for Everton for nothing. FOR NOTHING>
No amount of money or meaningless medals with clubs that mean nothing to me would change that.
Rooney's a turd.
Eugene Ruane
230 Posted 05/08/2016 at 16:28:16
Paul (229) - 'If I was the best footballer in the world, I would play for Everton for nothing.'

Hmmm - rubs chin.

There's an old gag, two drunks in a bar.

One says "Hic..you're my best friend in the world, love the bones o' you mate - if I had two million pound, I'd give you a million...if I had two dead big mansions, you could have one of them"

His oppo says 'What would you do if you had two bicycles?"

The other feller thinks for a minute and says "Get fucked, you KNOW I've got two bikes!"

Point?

Easy to say what we'd absolutely definitely do in a situation that will never occur.

What happens in reality is often rather different.

Stephen Brown
231 Posted 05/08/2016 at 16:35:22
Rooney and family were/are clearly big Evertonians proving that there are difficult decisions to make when you were put in the situation he was as a not very well educated 18 year old!!

The badge kissing thing was stupid but I'm sure I'd react to 'supporters' abusing my family!

I used to dislike him ( hate is a strong word) but time has changed that! Even though he's past his best I'd love him back tomorrow. He's a huge name worldwide so would help attract players as well as playing his part on the pitch! Can't see it happening though!!!

Craig Walker
232 Posted 05/08/2016 at 17:26:28
I idolised Wayne Rooney when he broke through the ranks at Everton. I remember the sick feeling of seeing him paraded at Old Trafford. It was the same feeling when Big Dunc scored on his debut for the skunks. I genuinely thought we had unearthed a star that would turn our club around. The galling thing was the price. Rooney was worth double what United paid and even then they paid it in installments. I don't think we'll ever know the complete truth about that transfer though. We were short of cash and Rooney was our only asset. I wouldn't trust his agent as far as I could throw him.

I thought there was a PR stunt going on last year to pave a way back to us: the TV documentary where I think he came across as a down-to-earth lad then the Duncan testimonial appearance. I thought it was an attempt to heal wounds with the fanbase. He seems pretty committed to United though now.

I would have him back in a blue shirt tomorrow. He was superb against us in the semi-final. I don't think he's the player he was but he could do a job for us. He'd need to take a massive wage cut though and I can't see it happening now.

Paul Andrews
233 Posted 05/08/2016 at 17:43:50
Second best player I have seen in an Everton shirt. Will end his career as top Man Utd goalscorer, top England goalscorer and an all-time legend.

Where did it all go wrong for him? Eugene sums it up perfectly.

Jon Cox
234 Posted 05/08/2016 at 17:55:16
Peter,

"Jon, how is Rooney one of us ?" Because after the testimonial he got into a private helicopter and came round to my gaff, Knowing I was an Evertonian, and told me. We then cracked open a couple of cans of Chang and chugged away merrily!

When finished he then went to the chippy round the corner and bought us both a fish supper with the proceeds of the game.

Now then Peter, THATS what you call a "nonsense statement" FYI. ;-P

Andy Walker
235 Posted 05/08/2016 at 18:03:29
Paul 229, just remember if you were the best footballer in the world you would think differently to how you do now. Mental attitude, drive and ambition are some of the differentiators between a top sportsman and the rest of us.

Having an attitude that you would play for nothing is admirable, but a top player would never have this attitude because if they had, they would never have become a top player in the first place.

Eddie Dunn
236 Posted 05/08/2016 at 00:10:30
Ray 227, very funny, I have unfortunately had to battle the onset of athlete's foot caught initially during a month on a yacht delivery from the south of Spain back to blighty, and Paul Ward - I've travelled widely pal, Australia, the US, all over Europe and worked in the near East, and lived in various parts of the UK, so I'm not sure what your point is.

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