Manchester United 0 - 0 Everton
Both managers will view the game as another good fitness-building run-out with the new season just 10 days away but it was short on entertainment for the first global audience tuning in to a live televised match streamed on Facebook.
From Ronald Koeman's point of view, the Blues looked to have more shape and defensive organisation than was the case under Roberto Martinez — coincidentally, the Catalan was announced as the new boss of the Belgian national side during the match — for much of last season.
Teenage defender Mason Holgate was a particular standout during his 65-minutes on the field, while there was more evidence of the pressing from the front demanded by Koeman, particularly by Gerard Deulofeu.
An early mistake by Gareth Barry gave Zlatan Ibrahimovich the chance to cross but the Swede overhit his centre as the Blues settled into their 3-5-2 formation while, at the other end, Deulofeu was almost gifted the ball by Carrick but an unfavourable bounce took the ball to David de Gea.
Lukaku broke free in the middle of the park and fired a tame, low shot that was easily saved during what was a pedestrian first quarter of an hour of the contest.
Holgate was looking particularly impressive for the Blues in the early going and after unceremoniously dispossessing Ibrahimovich, the young defender charged down Anthony Martial's shot.
That corner was fisted away by Maarten Stekelenburg but United kept the ball and the Everton keeper was called into action again to parry from Ibrahimovich from the angle.
The best chance of the game thus far fell to Everton with a little more than half an hour gone. Lukaku bundled his way past his marker after winning the ball back and his initial shot was blocked into the path of Ross Barkley. De Gea was on hand to beat the midfielder's shot away, however, to keep things goalless.
While the more dominant side in possession, the home sider were largely being held at bay until Luke Shaw flashed a deflected shot inches wide of the far post.
A couple of minutes later, Stekelenburg made another good stop after Ibrahimovich controlled a deep cross neatly and was in on goal for a shot from close range.
At the other end, Lukaku rose to meet a free header but he could only head wide of goal.
Joel Robles came on for Stekelenburg at half time while Kevin Mirallas was introduced for Deulofeu and the Belgian had the first real chance of the second half but he fired into the side-netting.
The game remained bereft of chances, particularly following a number of changes for both sides, but Juan Mata seized on a wayward header, only to have his shot charged down by Tom Cleverley.
The match had continued while Muhamed Besic was down injured and the Bosnian had to come off just 10 minutes after being introduced with what appeared to be a knee problem.
United picked up the pace of the contest as it entered the final five minutes but couldn't fashion a late winner.
Everton: Stekelenburg (Robles 46'), Coleman, Baines (Oviedo 65'), Funes Mori, Stones, Holgate (Lennon 65'), McCarthy (Besic 65' (Davies 76')), Barry (Gibson 65'), Barkley (Cleverley 65'), Deulofeu (Mirallas 46'), Lukaku (Kone 65').
Sub not used: Galloway
Build-upEngland's record goalscorer gets his testimonial match at Old Trafford against the only team he could have chosen, his boyhood club Everton.
The 30-year-old forward caused a stir 12 years ago when he left Goodison Park in what eventually amounted to a £27m deal and he has gone on to make 368 appearances for the Red Devils and won all three domestic trophies, as well as the Champions League.
It's a legacy that Evertonians always hoped he would forge with the Toffees after he emerged from the youth ranks at Bellefield with few doubting that he would become a star.
Though his move along the East Lancs Road embittered many, time has healed many of the wounds among Blues fans and, despite some ill-advised moments like his badge-kissing episode at Goodison Park, Rooney has kept alive his own love for Everton.
His children have often been seen wearing Everton kits and the player himself turned out in a Royal Blue jersey again last year for Duncan Ferguson's testimonial.
Rooney won't be playing for both teams this evening, though, in what is both Jose Mourinho's first friendly at Old Trafford and another opportunity for Ronald Koeman's men to build their fitness with the new season just 10 days away.
Romelu Lukaku, in particular, will be in need of minutes having only featured for an hour in the game against Real Betis on Saturday and he starts.
Everton fans were also be hoping to get their first look at new signing Idrissa Gueye following his arrival from Aston Villa but he is not included in the squad. Meanwhile, they'll be curious to see whether the manager's line-up is any nod towards the one that will kick off against Tottenham in the Premier League on 13th August.
The match proceeds will go to the Wayne Rooney Foundation which will distribute money to the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children, Claire House Hospice, Alder Hey Children's Hospital and the Manchester United Foundation.
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1 Posted 03/08/2016 at 16:51:23
However, its nice for Wayne to know that should he be over the hill and ready for the knackers yard, some people at EFC would have him back with open arms.
2 Posted 03/08/2016 at 16:52:59
3 Posted 03/08/2016 at 16:55:21
4 Posted 03/08/2016 at 17:07:49
Great player - don't get me wrong, could have been better, but still great. Congratulations Wayne; nice touch he chose Everton for his testimonial opponents but then shouldn't be surprised because like all of us, he is an Evertonian at heart. Never confuse the personal with the professional and all that!!
5 Posted 03/08/2016 at 17:09:50
6 Posted 03/08/2016 at 17:11:52
7 Posted 03/08/2016 at 17:17:24
8 Posted 03/08/2016 at 17:43:02
9 Posted 03/08/2016 at 17:45:02
10 Posted 03/08/2016 at 17:56:27
11 Posted 03/08/2016 at 18:02:57
I read it was on CH 59.
12 Posted 03/08/2016 at 18:11:47
Surely Everton's FB page can stream it then?
13 Posted 03/08/2016 at 18:16:47
This is Rooney's and United's thing, not Everton's and the agreement was no doubt signed by them with Facebook.
14 Posted 03/08/2016 at 18:17:01
15 Posted 03/08/2016 at 18:29:02
Not directly from my fb account like ours. It's probably to make it appear it was all their fans watching.
16 Posted 03/08/2016 at 18:40:24
17 Posted 03/08/2016 at 18:44:13
It would take me 324 years to earn what Rooney earns a year (basic). Approx 590 years if you include all his sponsorship deals an bonuses.
Dig deep lad and chip in for all of us. Go on - its tax deductible - not that you pay much of that either!
COYB lets break the Old Trafford hoodoo
18 Posted 03/08/2016 at 18:50:19
19 Posted 03/08/2016 at 18:52:42
Firstly it's a request to donate to charity, you can say no.
Secondly how do you know about Rooneys tax affairs?
Yes he earns a ridiculous amount of money but good luck to him. I think the amount of money raised for charities including Alder Hey will massively dwarf what most people can or will.
20 Posted 03/08/2016 at 18:59:34
Open up, select sports, select BT Sports 1.
Easy and free. You'll need WiFi.
22 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:09:37
23 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:10:46
24 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:11:15
Might have to go up to the old man's house and watch it... Sure mum will sacrifice her nightly soap addiction!
25 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:17:58
27 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:27:27
28 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:32:14
29 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:32:50
30 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:34:54
Slagging a player who left the club doesn't make for a "better" Evertonian!
31 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:37:48
32 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:41:38
33 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:42:34
I wish it was us giving him the testimonial instead and I suspect he does too
34 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:47:00
35 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:47:02
36 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:48:47
37 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:50:42
39 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:55:46
40 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:56:11
41 Posted 03/08/2016 at 19:57:13
43 Posted 03/08/2016 at 20:00:06
46 Posted 03/08/2016 at 20:24:47
This is his job and his one chance to secure his and his family's future.Give the man a break!
47 Posted 03/08/2016 at 20:26:19
Think I'll settle for Eat Well for Less on BBC1
48 Posted 03/08/2016 at 20:35:15
We simply don't have the midfielders on the pitch (or at the club) to pull this formation off..
49 Posted 03/08/2016 at 20:37:08
50 Posted 03/08/2016 at 20:40:01
Fandom can be a deciding factor when all other things are broadly equal. When all other things aren't even close to being equal; I wouldn't let it be a major factor in my career choices, why should a player?
51 Posted 03/08/2016 at 20:43:57
This is Moyesesque
52 Posted 03/08/2016 at 20:45:36
53 Posted 03/08/2016 at 20:49:41
And at 43 minutes our £75m centre forward just missed a straightforward headed chance.
54 Posted 03/08/2016 at 20:53:36
£50M for Stones...
DON'T MAKE ME FUCKIN' LAUGH!!! If we get anywhere near those figures I will piss myself with laughter.
After watching that shite 1st half, we're in big trouble unless he gets players in and quick.
55 Posted 03/08/2016 at 20:55:37
As an Evertonian of 53 years I would have stayed put to help make us great again but I can understand what he did and why even though I wouldn't have done it.
56 Posted 03/08/2016 at 20:57:28
It's a testimonial and the proceeds are going to well deserving charities.
It was never gonna be more than an average kick about for Christ sake.
As for his kids? He's a Utd player, who's kits do you expect them to wear.
Get a fucking grip...
57 Posted 03/08/2016 at 21:01:31
58 Posted 03/08/2016 at 21:10:40
As time went on I realised the hard facts about our club and the situation we were in, without his transfer fee we would of been in very serious danger of dropping into the championship and beyond (like it or not). Instead his fee gave us the opportunity to build the team that gave us constant top 7 finishes.
Regardless of wages I believe he left for footballing reasons that being he new he was good enough to play for a top team and win major honours, after all Newcastle started the bidding and offered a better salary.
As for his kids didn't we all follow in our Dad's footsteps regarding our loyalties to Football??
59 Posted 03/08/2016 at 21:30:42
61 Posted 03/08/2016 at 21:33:50
64 Posted 03/08/2016 at 21:36:30
65 Posted 03/08/2016 at 21:37:43
66 Posted 03/08/2016 at 21:39:42
67 Posted 03/08/2016 at 21:45:48
68 Posted 03/08/2016 at 21:49:06
I trust this means Sr Martinez's claim relating to his dismissal, presumably based on projected loss of earnings, will be very substantially reduced. Which will give us the funds to offer our Welsh friends an extra couple of mill for their centre half.
How wonderful if Roberto could contribute to our defence in such a way.
69 Posted 03/08/2016 at 21:49:45
70 Posted 03/08/2016 at 21:49:59
71 Posted 03/08/2016 at 21:54:17
72 Posted 03/08/2016 at 21:59:23
73 Posted 03/08/2016 at 21:59:32
Maybe sharing a joke or two about national team coaches?
74 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:00:11
76 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:00:31
Despite RM terrible season(s) they are no great shakes either! Lack of respect!
77 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:00:33
78 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:00:38
79 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:02:34
Hope Ross is saving something for when it starts properly.
81 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:03:39
At last, someone commenting on Rooney going to Man.Utd in a positive way.
Rooney haters on this site take note.
If you're brilliant at your 10 grand a year job, and someone offers you 100 grand for doing the same job, would you take it or not?
He was obviously far too good to stay at Everton, good luck to him.
86 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:05:01
87 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:05:32
Needs major that squad surgery to get any kind of balance, quality and the poise to win hard premier league games.
88 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:06:14
89 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:06:36
I hope the pat on the back to Kone as he came on was, "This is your last chance son"; he added NOTHING.
90 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:13:05
91 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:13:10
92 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:13:19
93 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:15:25
94 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:15:41
And we didn't lose. It appeared our players were trying very hard not to concede a goal, which is great progress.
95 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:16:42
Looked a lot more solid. Holgate was decent and thought Davies looked outstanding when he came on and did more in 2 minutes than McCarthy did whole game.
96 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:17:36
As for Rooney, he looks like a man who has prostituted himself for gold. He knows he's a fraud and the Mancs (and their united nations of glory-hunters) secretly despise him.
Add to that the fawning commentator obsessing over the spoilt little brats and hoping for a Man Utd goal, and the bent ref letting play go on, hoping to keep them all happy with a late winner, and you see what is wrong with our poxy media and the money worshipping tossers that infest the game.
Oh and Ashley Young is a berk!
97 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:18:53
We'll make another two buys minimum, I suspect, before the 13th.
We were horrible defensively last season, tonight we looked tight for the most part. There were some little flashes, too, of attacking fluency.
Much to look forward to over the next 9 months.
98 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:19:15
99 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:22:24
It's not about being a Rooney hater. It's about wanting your homegrown to stay loyal. It's about being part of the Everton family. Born into the club, then choosing to leave. That's all. Nothing personal.
I can disrespect his decision because he was wrong and greedy. If I had the choice at his age and told my Dad I was heading off for Liverpool or Man Utd, he would have been hugely disappointed and would have talked me into staying and having my testimonial at Everton. I understand wanting more money and I don't hate Wayne. I just struggle to deal with the principle.
100 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:22:51
There is just one niggle about his departure was he 'pushed' as we badly needed the money? There was even talk of administration at that time... Or, with his outstanding intellect, did he really want to go 'to win things'.
101 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:24:18
102 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:28:26
103 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:29:59
I hope Koeman knows his best team.. but I can't help thinking our line up against Spurs will be very defensive.
104 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:30:35
They obviously have far superior players. An awful lot of our play that goes wrong is just down to lack of quality and can't be blamed on poor management.
It pains me to say this but Baines is finished as far as I can see. He seems to have lost a yard of pace and his left foot has lost some of it's magic. Coleman on the other-hand looked good tonight but watch out for a late bid for his services from the onlooking Jose. I'll be happy to see Stones go, I just hope Pep wasn't watching.
Like I said on another thread - this will get worse before it gets better.
105 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:33:54
Was totally surprised with Holgate, who as a wide player in back 3 looks the part, got John Stones out of trouble at least twice with excellent covering. Funes Mori also better out wider. Coleman as a wing back give you so much more going forward, Baines ain't quite there yet.
Barkley quickly needs to sort himself out: slow to the ball, loses it too easily, and contributed nothing in first 45 mins. Still not sure of his best position as a No 10 he's not good enough to find the spaces between the lines and when he does he invariably slows the play down or runs into blind alleys. As a deeper player he contributes nothing defensively and is a liability.
Stekenlenburg looks promising, just now needs time to work with a constant back 3 or 4. Lukaku put a shift in at least and did trouble the Man Utd back four with his strength.
106 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:34:03
108 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:34:35
109 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:34:47
110 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:38:08
Individually Coleman and Holgate stood out as did Mirallas when he came on second half.
On the negative side, I thought Stones was very poor with Kone, Deulofeu and Barkley only slightly better.
The rest didn't disappoint too much.
111 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:38:12
Rooney left an ageing poor Everton side for the chance to win something. Every player worth his salt wants to win caps and trophy's during his career.Our team was a pretty old bunch and Rooney was 16 years old when he broke in. Going away with England he was with loads of Man Utd players plus an agent down his ear. We as a club lacked ambition and Rooney needed to move on to develop the career he has had.
112 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:40:52
113 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:43:23
Stones is so full of mistakes, it has me wondering if he does it on purpose? Holgate plays way beyond his years. Great to see Seamus's new-found attitude since captaining his country.
Swap Barry for Gueye, Ross for McCarthy, with Del, Kev and Rom in a front 3. Got to be worth a look on Saturday.
Actually RM could turn out to be quite successful as he is strictly a cup manager, tailor-made for short-term competitions and surely the bonus is minimal contact with his players!
114 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:43:30
Honesty, at least.
115 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:43:58
Some good performances: Holgate, Mirallas, Davies, but the side needs new blood and fast. Although it's not all doom and gloom as that twat commentator on BT Sports would have us believe. Good man Hargreaves for putting him back in his bubble.
117 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:49:20
118 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:52:12
Whilst growing in to a Koeman team we need to get the basics right and not concede goals, it may be a bit dour for a whlie but let's get the early points on the board and springboard from there. A few years ago we all agreed that transformation from the Moyes era will take time, well we are back to square one. So let's get behind Koeman the team and any new additions and and the progress will come.
119 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:52:25
Most successful teams are built upon a tight defense.
120 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:53:43
My main concern would be the movement of the forwards and our lack of quality in midfield is stark. The squad needs a lot and with the season fast approaching I can't see us getting enough in before the window closes.
The good thing is that RK doesn't seem like the kind of guy that will blow smoke up the players arses and tell them a performance was phenomenal when it wasn't. It's not at all doom and gloom but patience definitely needed. It will take until Christmas to get the Martinez virus out of the club.
121 Posted 03/08/2016 at 22:55:49
122 Posted 03/08/2016 at 23:06:45
123 Posted 03/08/2016 at 23:11:14
On a positive, we look less leaky.and with Tom Davies and Gana we have plenty of midfielders.
Swap out Stones left winger, striker and experienced defender.
124 Posted 03/08/2016 at 23:11:18
I think Ronald will soon get the picture that he would be wise to take the Man City shillings for Stones, and ship out the Barry - McCarthy axis as it's yesterday's midfield; we need better to make progress.
His comments on the transfer front indicate that there could be a few in, and some on their way out.
125 Posted 03/08/2016 at 23:11:18
126 Posted 03/08/2016 at 23:49:34
127 Posted 03/08/2016 at 23:53:58
Moyes looked pleased with what he was watching. Pure KITAHTNO with the emphasis on HOPING to Nick one!
128 Posted 03/08/2016 at 23:57:47
129 Posted 03/08/2016 at 00:05:58
130 Posted 03/08/2016 at 00:10:58
As for today's match, I was pleased to see the team moving as a unit, playing with three at the back with some success, and keeping some very good players at bay. The best part was hearing Koeman comment that the players need to be better on the ball. They do. That's progress.
On Martinez I tentatively wish him luck. I did not expect him to get the opportunity after Everton to put his philosophy to the final test that is, having top quality players to realize it. (If 'it' exists...) No matter what, I believe he's clearly very skilled at making others believe it does. Last chance.
131 Posted 04/08/2016 at 00:57:01
132 Posted 04/08/2016 at 01:20:16
"I didn't win anything, Son."
"I thought you where going to be one of the English greats..."
"No, Son... but I got some respect from a few ToffeeWebbers though."
133 Posted 04/08/2016 at 02:33:34
Yes, we didn't have the ultra fast attacking we want and have seen but hopefully that will come and we could have had three goals.
134 Posted 04/08/2016 at 03:12:28
On today, I thought we looked alright. The formation left a bit of a divide between the back 7 and the attacking 3 but the midfielders worked harder to bridge that after half-time.
Hard to judge too much. Was that Koeman bedding in his style or thinking "It's a testimonial, I'll try something different"?
135 Posted 04/08/2016 at 03:53:35
I grudgingly admire the likes of Shearer who won 1 title, then went to Newcastle for the opportunity to win nothing but adulation. It's easy for dreamers on here to say "if it was me..." – you don't know – and you don't know the pressures that agents, family, even friends put on you to chase the money (and make all of them financially secure).
There was a concerted campaign to get him out of Everton. Granny-gate (he needs to get away from Liverpool – all of 35 miles), the phantom Newcastle bid to smoke out Man Utd.
I also don't want to see him back either. Not because I bear him any ill will – I don't – he's a top lad by all accounts – but I think his performance will decline rapidly, and if he's not in a strong team, will fall off a cliff. That would be painful to witness.
136 Posted 04/08/2016 at 05:03:54
Not one single comment on Gibson's performance, he broke a lot of play up, played the usual forward passes, cannot recall him giving a ball away, big if, but if we can keep Gibson fit, I still rate him as one of our best midfielders.
Great squad player, so if we use the guy wisely, we might just get a lot more games out of him.
No doubting we were in shit creek only for the Rooney money saving us.
Still baffled by the negatives on here over Rooney.
If you worked for your best mate for say £20k salary, then someone said I will give you £50k, plus bonuses for success, would you stay loyal to your best friend, or take the £50k salary? I cannot fault Rooney one bit for not only taking the money, but also the medals he has, prove he made the right career choice.
There's no doubt Man Utd were the top team when he signed for them. We brought in quite a few players and finished 4th that season; had Rooney stayed, we would not have made those signings.
Do you honestly believe without those additional players, Rooney would have won us silverwere? Not a chance with the team we had before he left.
137 Posted 04/08/2016 at 05:16:01
As Jim Royle would say, "Respect? My arse, give me success every time."
138 Posted 04/08/2016 at 05:40:20
Some of the bitter, twisted and parochial posters on this thread should look at it another way. What about the greats that joined our club (Ball, Kendall, Young, etc) we didn't call them rats for deserting their clubs.
139 Posted 04/08/2016 at 06:21:24
United didn't really test our defence, however that hasn't stopped us conceding (especially in the final 10 mins) for the last two seasons. I'm counting that as a tentative step in the right direction, albeit one based on only a small sample.
Stones has ball skills and can pick a pass, occasionally.
Stones has a tendency to forget that he is a centre half.
Stones has a tendency to fanny about, run out of options, then abdicate responsibility by passing back to the keeper who then has a single option, hoof !
Stones has a tendency to repeat errors.
As certain as I am that RK is probably the best possible manager to make the very best of JS, upon last night's showing, I'd suspect that RK could well believe that he'll produce a better result in a shorter period with Mason Holgate.
Ross Barkley in a single passage of play summed up all of his characteristics. Lovely charge out of our half weaving and moving opposition players with ease, Everton players breaking both left and right creating both space and options. Then, RB has to make one of three decisions give it left, give it right or burst through the centre himself.
(We wait.… ...).
We can almost see Ross thinking.
(We wait a few seconds more !).
(We're all thinking, "DO Something lad !).
(We wait again).
He slips on his arse and the ball rolls tamely away.
These two lads have acknowledged talents, but making a simple decision doesn't appear to be a skill that either of them has the first bloody grasp of.
I've continually argued against selling either of them.
But when Stones was rescued by Holgate from his lack of awareness, poor position and failure to make contact with a fairly routine tgrough ball .. well £50M was looking a VERY good decision.
Lesson learned last night for me ?
Making a timely decision is infinitely preferable to having it made for you.
Was £27M not enough and too soon for Rooney ?
Is £50M not enough and too soon for Stones ?
140 Posted 04/08/2016 at 08:17:06
Take whatever Man City are offering and give Swansea City what they want for Ashley Williams. Then, in 2 years time, when Williams is nearing the end, Holgate will have more first-team experience under his belt. On last night's performance he has plenty of potential.
141 Posted 04/08/2016 at 08:25:53
Aside from the financial stuff, he could have stayed with us and he could have been the vital ingredient to get us past Villarreal the following year, thus getting us into the knockout stages- and who knows what would happen? Ditto many other pivotal moments and possible medal-winning opportunities for the lad to fill his cabinet with us.
To the posters who would follow the money Who knows what riches we promised him? Probably a much better deal, and his advisers would have known that, in a year or two, the option to go would still be there.
Sorry folks, he and his advisers were greedy so-and-so's and he knows he pissed on his chips with true Blues. The Mancs really hate him and they won't be naming any stands after him.
Incidentally, he looks a shadow of his former self.
142 Posted 04/08/2016 at 08:44:32
Barkley I'm convinced will have a good season, although does need to step up as a leader and game manager. He wasn't at his best last night but I'm also sure that having 5 defenders and 2 defensive midfielders who rarely show for the ball and one who certainly doesn't look to play forward doesn't help him. I think we will see a different player with Gueye and AN Other.
I really hope Besic is okay... I thought his 10 minutes were good and showed his very good passing range and desire to rather go forward than back... and he shows for the ball.
143 Posted 04/08/2016 at 09:03:42
One example was Oviedo, who looked all at sea in a number of games that he was left back while Baines was injured towards the back end of last season. But last night looked a lot fitter, and so looked a better player. Reminded me more of the player we had two years ago.
144 Posted 04/08/2016 at 09:12:57
Re: the game. I thought we looked defensively more organised (Holgate playing well, Stones making errors though) and played okay. We created chances, not a lot, but Man Utd were well set up (typical Jose side). Half-decent result, with obvious room for improvement, which our manager refreshingly pointed out.
Looks like we need an attacking midfielder and a few strikers (Rom was poor). Mirallas played well – he must be devastated with the news about the new Belgium manager, defies belief!!!
Looking forward to the Spurs game, but hoping we sign a few players, we need to. Glad to see people are a little more optimistic.
145 Posted 04/08/2016 at 09:36:20
Tell me, were you wise enough to make a life changing decision when you were that age, especially if some one was waving millions of pounds and a Champions League medal in front of you? I wasn't. Probably still the case
As for what "riches we promised him", we were on the bones of our arse and probably couldn't afford whatever we offered him.
146 Posted 04/08/2016 at 09:40:45
He could have stayed and changed things against Villarreal? Yeh and he's definitely pissed on his chips with true Blues well, you're wrong. I'm a true Blue and I certainly don't feel that way.
I said in another post that some people seem to think if you don't hate Wayne Rooney you're not a proper Evertonian. I won't go into what makes me a proper Evertonian, or a better one than the next bloke, that's ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as your statement.
Rooney has won 10 major honours, broke the English scoring record (yeh, I know he might have done that playing for us). Is very close to breaking Sir Bobby Charlton's scoring record for Man Utd...
What have we done? And that's not Rooney's fault. He's an easy target to take out frustrations on and blame for our dismal position in today's football world.
The fact that the Mancs hate him (your words not mine) might just be to do with the fact that he's never renounced Everton completely and obviously has, and shows, feelings for the club. If they DO hate him, maybe it's because they're as bitter as you obviously are and can't see things in a reasonable light.
Reckon they should grow up, don't you? :-)
147 Posted 04/08/2016 at 09:41:22
148 Posted 04/08/2016 at 09:50:59
Clearly the kid was above the level at which Everton were performing and able to reward him and it was right to' let the bird fly'.
Although some actions of his agents were questionable, all in all, they have done right by him and have steered his career to mega success.
Most of us have always wished the best for the lad (except when he's playing against the Blues) and hope his success continues for a few years yet.
But hate if you must. I hope you feel better for it.
149 Posted 04/08/2016 at 09:54:05
He is one that I would keep unless there is a load of wonga for him.
150 Posted 04/08/2016 at 09:55:45
151 Posted 04/08/2016 at 10:00:18
Over the years I have watched him play, I have enjoyed seeing him, usually in Champions League games. His hunger for the ball, his ability, his obvious joy for the game are worth watching. I am pleased that we had him for two years, I am sad that he didn't stay with us... but here's the thing... I would crawl over broken glass to be able to play for Everton, I would love to have a tenth of Wayne's ability, but if I was as good as him and the 2004/5 Man United team came calling, I bet I would have signed that contract too.
152 Posted 04/08/2016 at 10:06:36
153 Posted 04/08/2016 at 10:51:18
The kid has got loads of ability, but suffers from either not being very switched on, or he's scared to take on more responsibility, because he's too nice?
154 Posted 04/08/2016 at 11:20:43
I hope Koeman changes the system, and plays McCarthy only as defensive midfielder.
155 Posted 04/08/2016 at 11:37:21
That was partly our problem last night and last season. Our defensive midfielder can only play sideways or backwards.. Ludicrous. He'd be a squad member, not first choice.
156 Posted 04/08/2016 at 11:52:19
He's a football pro, if you can secure your own and families future for generations you would be mad not to go for it. Okay, he would still have become a wealthy man if he had stayed with us, but not to the same degree.
If you resent him for his transfer, I think you should start using the other eye.
158 Posted 04/08/2016 at 12:32:51
159 Posted 04/08/2016 at 12:50:39
That self-respect would have turned to "what a bloody idiot I was to stay". And all those Rooney haters would still be blaming him for reasons they haven't yet thought of.
160 Posted 04/08/2016 at 13:06:42
5 X Premier League: 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11, 2012–13, 1X FA Cup winner: 2015–16,
2x Football League Cup: 2005–06, 2009–10
3X FA Community Shield: 2007, 2010, 2011
1x UEFA Champions League: 2007–08
FIFA Club World Cup: 2008
Here's what he could've won for us:
Therein lies the point. Was it about money or the chance to win silverware. Personally I would have him back but feel he is over the hill and would not improve our team particularly
161 Posted 04/08/2016 at 13:29:08
Couple of things ...
His kids in Man Utd kits will be in Blue ones again shortly.
Rooney himself when asked when or why he left he said words to effect " I was being selfish" at the time. Not far away from recognition near an apology.
162 Posted 04/08/2016 at 13:35:39
I have noticed he does not celebrate to the Man Utd crowd, only to the heavens.
163 Posted 04/08/2016 at 13:38:19
how many of us wouldn't do what he did ? - be honest.
When he is retired and we play the Mancs I think I know where his heart lies.
164 Posted 04/08/2016 at 14:54:49
it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him having a reunion with Moyes at Sunderland. There could start a trend of reunions already kickied off with Mirallas and Lukaku to Martinez!
165 Posted 04/08/2016 at 15:14:53
For me, firstly I'm not too fussed about how much he or other footballers earn, so long as they earn it, nor who they play for (apart from wanting all the best ones to play for us, obviously). I say good luck to the guy. Yes, I was disappointed when he left us, but that's life, and it's only a game.
166 Posted 04/08/2016 at 15:26:41
Of course he left for a better chance of winning things. But playing in front of a bunch of pricks who spend every game chanting anti-Scouse hatred? I don't wish them or him any success.
And his kids wearing United kits puts to bed once and for all the beauts on here (who I always disagreed with) claiming he's bringing his kids up Blues.
168 Posted 04/08/2016 at 16:08:28
170 Posted 04/08/2016 at 16:44:23
171 Posted 04/08/2016 at 16:47:20
With 'our boyhood blue', we got barely 2 years, after the club nurtured him into a world class player, protected his shady granny-shagging past from the media, then watched him leave as a teenager for less than a third of what Bale cost.
He went from £80 pw to £10,000 pw at 17, so I'm sure he wasn't short of cash, and if he had shown any loyalty, who knows what we could have won? I remember Bob Latchford, the best striker of his generation giving Everton the best 7 years of his career while we won sweet FA, but never once did he ask to leave.
Rooney won't be remembered by the Mancs once he's gone, as they detest scousers, but if he'd just given us a few more years, his name could have been etched in our history, like Labone, Harvey, Reid, Hickson, Dean etc. Local lads are always revered as I hope Baines will be I couldn't imagine him kissing another club's badge at Goodison.
172 Posted 04/08/2016 at 16:57:05
No, that's because we ARE once and always blues, not just glory hunters. You can't equate a football club with any other 'job'. Try reading about England international Steve Bull.
173 Posted 04/08/2016 at 17:09:36
Just a point, Mick, I'm not sure you can compare the Labone, Harvey, Reid, Hickson, Dean etc era with the one we have today. If we still had the wages and financial restraints now as we had then, then I could see more players staying at their clubs.
What would be the point of moving, family, schools, friends etc., for a similar wage and you're still playing in a League where any one of ten or twelve teams might have a chance of winning? And no Champions League football. We all like to think that our boyhood heros would stay but in truth, we don''t really know for sure.
There are not many top players these days that stay at their home club when there's little chance of winning anything... it may have been the same then. It's difficult to compare the two, three eras.
175 Posted 04/08/2016 at 17:25:00
176 Posted 04/08/2016 at 17:31:59
Almost up to the launch of the PL , there was very much 'a master and servant ' relationship twixt club and player which was swept away by the Bosman ruling. By far the biggest change occurred with the 'legalising'of agents since when the law of the jungle has operated.
Only supporters remain loyal - almost to an obsessive degree.
177 Posted 04/08/2016 at 17:35:14
You have hit the nail on the head. Different eras, different circumstances, therefore hard to compare. Let's remember how young and impressionable Rooney was when he left. Plus, and I hate to say this, a lot of players from the Rooney era and even more so now do not have a true grounding in what it means to work for a living and what a privilege it is to be a football player. They operate in a different sphere, which is why I have a love hate relationship with football these days!
178 Posted 04/08/2016 at 17:44:22
Some on here forgive him due to his tender years, or his advisers. These last few seasons he has surely made himself financially secure and could have returned to us to fulfill what I imagine is an ambition to win something with his boyhood club.
I doubt that we will benefit if he deigns to join us in a year or two , as I see a player on the wane(excuse the pun)!
179 Posted 04/08/2016 at 17:46:49
180 Posted 04/08/2016 at 17:47:47
I don't have any dislike for Rooney because of his move, perhaps, when he is an old man he will always think that he should have been in the top five all-time Everton greats, but circumstances didn't allow him that opportunity albeit it was as much his choice as anyone else's. Instead he has become a United legend but he will not gain the same adulation from the OT crowd as he would have done from Evertonians, if he had achieved success at Goodison Park. Perhaps one of his sons will find themselves in a similar position and have some of his talent and will be able to fulfil the dream of playing for and becoming successful with Everton FC.
We may never produce a player of Rooney's rare talent ever again, but we always hope to, and it is churlish to dislike or even hate a person for making what he believed to be the right choice for him and his family at the time. None of us know what we would have done in his position even if we think we do.
181 Posted 04/08/2016 at 17:54:54
182 Posted 04/08/2016 at 17:55:01
183 Posted 04/08/2016 at 17:58:52
184 Posted 04/08/2016 at 18:24:14
I don't think many were expecting him to put any of his kids in Everton kits, but many on here for quite a few years have argued he's bringing his kids up Evertonians when it's now totally clear to all those who have claimed this he's not.
185 Posted 04/08/2016 at 18:25:39
He also said Belgium have 'the world at their feet.'
But warns of overburdening them!
He just did by his appointment!
186 Posted 04/08/2016 at 18:46:06
Anyhow, I am too much of an Evertonian to give any credit to someone who abused Everton FC and our fans. A lot of posts over the last year or so have been vilifying Lukaku for wanting to get away from the club and calling him disrespectful! Well at least he's got the guts to talk to the media about the situation, and not keep quiet and leave the manager to take the stick . . total hypocrisy
187 Posted 04/08/2016 at 18:57:10
He was interviewed in the run up to the match and quite clearly stated that his kids actually support both teams, own both kits and the eldest walks round singing the Ross Barkley,his favourite player, "Diamond" song. I wouldn't expect him to have his kids wearing Everton kits at Old Trafford, how would WE react if the position was reversed. Phil Neville took a dogs abuse off some gobshites purely for playing for United before he came here despite playing almost as many games for us as them.
A lot is being made over nothing here.
He went, made millions, won everything he could at club level and still loves Everton. What would posters on here have done in the same position? " I'd have stayed here and won fuck all, the club would have gone bust and I'd have been blamed".
Stayed here? Yeah. Right. 'Course you would
188 Posted 04/08/2016 at 19:09:07
189 Posted 04/08/2016 at 19:20:02
Steve Bull been mentioned, put into the hat le tissier, both loyal but hardly anything to show.
Ball, Harvey, Kendall, Reid, Young, all these players are brought up time and again, all sucessful.
How many times do you get comments about Mick Lyons on here, not often, he loved Everton, would go through a brick wall for us, whether in defence, or diving in an oppentments box to get an header on goal, not many bigger Evertonians than Lyons, but he never managed success as an Everton captain, he cried when he scored that own goal at Anfield, but his lack of success sometimes never gets brought up on here, when talking about our past players.
People remember players who lifted trophies at Everton aside from Latchford Mckenzie etc.
Rooney left Everton when we were even turned down by wonga, we were on our arse, no question about that, yet Rooney gets unbelievable stick.
Lineker on the other hand, left a team that was one of the best in Europe, we had a great team, money and success, yet he left, its understandable Rooney leaving for the most successful premiership team, at best Everton were a half decent side but nowhere near utd at the time.
If we were all the same, would be pointless having a fans forum, I do not think fans are wrong to condem Rooney, no more than Those who have no grudge towards him.
People still talk about his utd badge kissing, he took vile stick from us about his weight and his father, so to speak everytime we played utd, I doubt he would have celebtated in the same gesture, without the constant abuse he got from us everytime he touched the ball.
Utd fans are lucky to have had such a talented footballer, one which they never appreciated.
190 Posted 04/08/2016 at 19:23:08
How anyone could begrudge someone else for wanting to better themselves is truly beyond me. There's people on here who state they never would have left Everton if they'd been in his shoes, as if they have more love for our club then Rooney. Eh, hello, it's simply not valid to make such a comparison because you were never in Rooney's position, can't you see that? He's different, that's what helped make him the player he was, exceptional ability, determination and ambition to be the best. If you are fortunate to have the natural ability PLUS these additional attributes you will think and act differently to the rest of us, so there's no point presumptuously assuming you'd be different, you don't know that.
Someone quoted Steve Bull, I rest my case, he wasn't in the same league. Perhaps he missed the same degree of desire and ambition which Rooney had, which is why Bull stayed at Wolves but Rooney went on to test himself against the best. It's in his character.
So please a little less self righteousness and try and understand what makes people different and respect it. Rooney has shown loads of respect for our club and he'll no doubt be at GP or wherever we end up, week in, week out with his kids watching his team once he's retired from playing.
191 Posted 04/08/2016 at 19:27:29
192 Posted 04/08/2016 at 19:37:09
There are times (particularly when Baines, Pienaar and Coleman were ripping the arse out of teams when an Everton with Rooney would have been better than a Man Utd without. He WAS the difference. The glass ceiling we came so close to breaking would have been smashed to pieces if he was with us.
He was good enough to make the difference and he knows it. He chose the money.
He had every right to make the decision he did, but Evertonian ? Na... a real Evertonian with his ability would have stayed and tilted the balance in our favour, not joined the enemy and tilted it in theirs.
193 Posted 04/08/2016 at 19:38:39
I bet there would have been no badge kissing from Rooney if it wasn't for the ignorant minority shouting shameful insults at him about him and his family.
194 Posted 04/08/2016 at 19:44:39
I came away last night thinking its a forgone conclusion. I love this kid. Him and Stones could smash the doors to the School of Science wide open again.
Keep Stones and these two absolute naturals will become the best partnership in the game.
195 Posted 04/08/2016 at 19:45:38
200 Posted 04/08/2016 at 19:58:00
The 'he went for the money' is rubbish. Everton were never going to win trophies or play in the Champions League, he did that with Man Utd why he left, simple. The 'extra' cash (he was hardly going to be skint staying at Everton was he?) was just a bonus.
201 Posted 04/08/2016 at 19:59:22
Most kids would want to support the club their dad plays for.
The game raised lots of money and a large part of that will go to Alder Hey and Claire's House, so well done, Rooney.
202 Posted 04/08/2016 at 20:03:00
Well if your missus ran off with a guy you hated, gave him her best years, flaunted him in front of you provocatively, then asked to come back, would you have the dignity to tell her where to go?
I love Everton, and hate anyone who disrespects this club. Please keep your baseless statistics to yourself, because I don't believe most 'Evertonians' would have him back.
203 Posted 04/08/2016 at 20:17:33
Then he, along with a few others, like Colin Todd and Dave Thomas, fell out of favour with Gordon Lee in 1979. He was dropped but then asked to be taken off the transfer list about October. He reappeared the week after on the bench when we played Feynoord in the Uefa Cup and came on during the second leg at Goodison when we lost .
204 Posted 04/08/2016 at 20:24:12
We select a team based on how we are influenced as kids, it's like being brainwashed but not quite as bad as religion. My Dad was a Koppite, I supported Everton, Rooney's kids are surrounded by their old man's employer and by friends and school mates who support United. Cool kids outside of Liverpool don't support Everton. He is doing exactly right by not brainwashing his kids and allowing them to make their own minds up.
Only an idiot wouldn't have Rooney back at our club.
205 Posted 04/08/2016 at 20:27:49
I'll post whatever the mods allow me to post, Mick. I didn't post baseless stats. I reported what I heard and saw myself (the warm applause) when I attended those two testimonials. And I said that on the basis of that warm applause "I sense" most Evertonians would have him back - a fairly tentative statement. You believe otherwise. You're welcome to post that. And I'll continue to post my beliefs, so you'll have to accept that I'm afraid. Sorry but there you go.
206 Posted 04/08/2016 at 20:33:14
The very best professional footballers have ambitions to be the best player they can be, win the most honours they can in the game and provide as much as possible financial security for their family. In other words they aspire to having the best playing career that they can, but it's a career, not a lifetime and eventually it will end. How that stacks up against anyone's missus leaving them for another fella is beyond me.
207 Posted 04/08/2016 at 20:44:20
I wrote a post and it was never meant to start a "Rooney – love him or hate him" debate but it 's happened and I'm sure it's probably happened on this website before now. I can see both sides.
I read Darren's post and I agree and then I read others speaking in glowing terms about him and I see their point too. It might be an idea to have a vote and ask "would we have improved with him and won any trophies" and perhaps another that asks "would you want him back now". Perhaps the answer to both is already too obvious.
I guess it's good that we don't all agree and it's what makes the forum interesting. For what it's worth, I find every post interesting and respect everyone's differing views because we are all Evertonians and that's pretty special.
208 Posted 04/08/2016 at 20:45:11
I imagine you think the 'cool kids' still ride around on those chopper cycles with the giant winnit chafing seats, crappy flag and a dandelion & burdock bottle squashed above the back wheel for the best 'flap, flap, flap' sound, before skidding to a halt, giving a half hearted thumbs up and finishing with a Fonz from Happy Days style "eyyyyyyyyy".
209 Posted 04/08/2016 at 20:54:29
210 Posted 04/08/2016 at 21:03:01
211 Posted 04/08/2016 at 21:24:45
(1) If you were a passionate regular in the late '70s, then you should surely remember Bob's "strike action" along with Thomas and Todd (who had also decided they couldn't be arsed anymore). My recollection is that nobody came in for him and he reappeared in the Feyenoord game tail firmly between legs.
(2) Latchford was never all that. He was a hero in an otherwise barren spell for us and that's fine,we all need a hero. Sure he knew where the net was too but he could be clumsy and very immobile his control was often the subject of much merriment. I thank him for the memory of that Chelsea "30th goal game" but he rarely made his goals through skill and awareness he got his goals from crosses and corners, so was only ever as good as the service.
212 Posted 04/08/2016 at 21:26:23
For what it's worth I definitely don't.
That's not a dig at you by the way, but I reserve the right to think (and say) 'what a load of shite' (and show no respect) for venting passing as opinion.
"..I can just imagine Rooney laying in his Jacuzzi that's full of them little gold ingots that meffy povs wear on chunky gold chains and all round the bathroom is photos of Everton supporters and Rooney's flicking ingots at us and showing us his arse and then he goes on the bog which is shaped like Goodison and shits all over us. And yet some still defen..."
213 Posted 04/08/2016 at 21:31:11
First time I have ever seen Holgate play, last night and he was very impressive. Reminded me of a kid who used to play for Forest, years ago, called Gary Charles, who had the football world at his feet, before he went off the rails.
Have to agree that if Koeman, is going to play 3 at the back, then Stones and Holgate, would be brilliant together, if we could just get a dominant leader to play alongside them.
214 Posted 04/08/2016 at 21:47:50
I think that Matt Le Tissier knows. Was he right? He is a Saint for the Saints and I have a good deal of respect for him, but, my God, it could have been different for him.
215 Posted 04/08/2016 at 22:17:52
I reckon this was a firm statement by the club and manager that these guys are OUR players and will do what they are told by Everton.
216 Posted 04/08/2016 at 22:39:09
217 Posted 04/08/2016 at 22:41:23
There are two trains of thought here, one would suggest he is a king amongst men by staying with the club he supported as a boy and which he loved, the other is that he was too comfortable being the big fish in a small pond who never had the ambition to really set the football world alight on a bigger stage?
Rooney? Maybe Everton's ambition didn't match his.
218 Posted 04/08/2016 at 23:05:32
It was most likely the best thing for his career and the club but the people who lost out were us, Evertonians. It's taken 12 years but I'm over it.
219 Posted 04/08/2016 at 23:17:22
Like it or not, as far as he's concerned, he's still one of us. whether people argue till they're blue in the face or red with rage,
It's the only fact in town.
220 Posted 04/08/2016 at 23:35:51
"The thing that hurt about Rooney was that a club with our history and standing in the game couldn't hold onto a boy, the best of his generation, who would've loved to have achieved his dreams with us".
That paragraph just about sums it all up perfectly!
221 Posted 04/08/2016 at 23:36:09
222 Posted 04/08/2016 at 23:39:45
223 Posted 04/08/2016 at 23:39:47
224 Posted 04/08/2016 at 23:47:44
225 Posted 05/08/2016 at 04:37:25
I'm having trouble understanding how you got what you did from what I said. I know it suits the argument you want to present, but nobody is saying we'd have won 10 trophies and the Mancs would have won none.
"Man United were already successful" no shit, Sherlock! Rooney's presence made them even more successful.
We went close on more than one occasion to qualifying for Champions League place, if you don't think a Rooney in the team would not have gotten us over the line, changing the entire landscape, then I suspect you will be in a minority of one. That's what good players do.
He could have stayed and made US successful. So what if he didn't win ten trophies? 2-3 trophies and Champions League football in a blue shirt would surely be more valuable to an Evertonian than a dozen for a club most of us despise. He could have been our Stephen Gerrard.
You show a touching naivety when you claim he didn't go for the money, be absolutely certain that he would have gone nowhere if they were offering LESS than we could. He went for the money, He stayed for the money, he even held them to ransom.... for the money.
Look, I'm not here to bash Rooney, he is a fine player who has bordered (IMO) on being world class. It always makes me smile to think of 75,000 mancs forking out their hard-earned to worship a boy from a City they hate everything about I often wonder how they reconcile themselves to their best player being one of those hated scousers...
As pointed out above. Nobody has the right to determine who is and who isn't an Evertonian, but we all have our views.
Would you trade being successful and mega rich playing for Everton, for being more successful and even richer playing for THAT club? I guess only Wayne Rooney will ever face that decision.
The badge kissing was difficult to stomach, the star jumps in front of Park End more so, but when he ran the length of the Old Trafford pitch to taunt Evertonians after Ronaldo's last-gasp penalty winner, he crossed the line for me. The one that says (in invisible writing) Evertonian on one side and NOT Evertonian on the other.
226 Posted 05/08/2016 at 05:02:04
227 Posted 05/08/2016 at 09:39:06
Eddie, when I say "how many fans across Europe would know who he is", the point I was making is that Le Tissier COULD have been a star on the world stage, so to speak, known throughout Europe as a wonderful player as opposed to a man who wouldn't be recognised outside of an island in the Channel or a seaside town in Hampshire, unless you are a real footie fan. Lack of ambition? Cosy little nest he's frightened to leave?
AND, further more, I'd like you to give a precise explanation of what exactly "dubstep" is. Can it be cured by talc or something from the Scholl range of foot care products?
228 Posted 05/08/2016 at 10:45:44
229 Posted 05/08/2016 at 12:38:52
No amount of money or meaningless medals with clubs that mean nothing to me would change that.
Rooney's a turd.
230 Posted 05/08/2016 at 16:28:16
Hmmm - rubs chin.
There's an old gag, two drunks in a bar.
One says "Hic..you're my best friend in the world, love the bones o' you mate - if I had two million pound, I'd give you a million...if I had two dead big mansions, you could have one of them"
His oppo says 'What would you do if you had two bicycles?"
The other feller thinks for a minute and says "Get fucked, you KNOW I've got two bikes!"
Easy to say what we'd absolutely definitely do in a situation that will never occur.
What happens in reality is often rather different.
231 Posted 05/08/2016 at 16:35:22
The badge kissing thing was stupid but I'm sure I'd react to 'supporters' abusing my family!
I used to dislike him ( hate is a strong word) but time has changed that! Even though he's past his best I'd love him back tomorrow. He's a huge name worldwide so would help attract players as well as playing his part on the pitch! Can't see it happening though!!!
232 Posted 05/08/2016 at 17:26:28
I thought there was a PR stunt going on last year to pave a way back to us: the TV documentary where I think he came across as a down-to-earth lad then the Duncan testimonial appearance. I thought it was an attempt to heal wounds with the fanbase. He seems pretty committed to United though now.
I would have him back in a blue shirt tomorrow. He was superb against us in the semi-final. I don't think he's the player he was but he could do a job for us. He'd need to take a massive wage cut though and I can't see it happening now.
233 Posted 05/08/2016 at 17:43:50
Where did it all go wrong for him? Eugene sums it up perfectly.
234 Posted 05/08/2016 at 17:55:16
"Jon, how is Rooney one of us ?" Because after the testimonial he got into a private helicopter and came round to my gaff, Knowing I was an Evertonian, and told me. We then cracked open a couple of cans of Chang and chugged away merrily!
When finished he then went to the chippy round the corner and bought us both a fish supper with the proceeds of the game.
Now then Peter, THATS what you call a "nonsense statement" FYI. ;-P
235 Posted 05/08/2016 at 18:03:29
Having an attitude that you would play for nothing is admirable, but a top player would never have this attitude because if they had, they would never have become a top player in the first place.
236 Posted 05/08/2016 at 00:10:30
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