Koeman denies interest in Joe Hart

25 August  89 Comments  [Jump to last]
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Ronald Koeman appears to have ruled out a move for Joe Hart, saying he has "no interest" in signing the Manchester City goalkeeper and never had any.

Hart has been strongly linked with a switch to Goodison Park, possibly on loan, ever since he was dropped as first-choice 'keeper by new City boss Pep Guardiola.

The arrival of Claudio Bravo from Barcelona is expected to signal the end of Hart's time at the Etihad Stadium but while Sevilla and Borussia Dortmund have been mentioned as potential suitors for the 29-year-old, all the indications in the British press were that he prefers to stay in England.

Everton's interest in the England international was almost taken for granted but Koeman told the media at his pre-match press conference today that there won't be any deal to bring Hart to Goodison Park.

Whether that was because the manager didn't want to discuss transfer targets for a specific position and players at another club remains to be seen but the Dutchman's answer when asked about his interest was fairly categorical.

When asked by Sky Sports' Vinny O'Connor how much interest he had in signing Hart, Koeman replied: "No interest," and then confirmed later in the "presser" that there was never any interest on in his part in signing the player.

He also refused to be drawn on his plans between now and the end of the transfer window next week by saying, "I'm not a manager who speaks a lot about rumours, about players, about possibilities. Everyone will see at the end of the transfer window what, finally, the Everton squad is.

"I don't talk about which positions, which players, because then you start the pre-season talking about transfers and you finish that... I think it's next Thursday.

"We playing Stoke at home this Saturday and that's more important than all the rumours about transfers. I know it's a good job for you [the media] — you can spend 24 hours talking about transfers but I need to prepare the team for this Saturday but, in my opinion, that's more important than talking about rumours."  


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Chris Watts
1 Posted 25/08/2016 at 15:30:15
Well that rules that out then... Or does it?
Neil Roberts
2 Posted 25/08/2016 at 15:33:17
Glad about that. I didn't want him thinking he was going a step down. Butland or Begovic for me.
Graham Coldron
3 Posted 25/08/2016 at 15:43:08
This is like a chess match all bluff and counter bluff.Will things if Joe Hart " expresses an interest " in joining Everton ?
Scott Goin
4 Posted 25/08/2016 at 15:43:18
Frankly, that statement only means that we have no interest in Hart at the price that City currently want. In order to get City to lower their price, we need to convey that we won't budge. That's basically what Koeman did.

Even City with all their money don't want to pay £7 million in wages to a 3rd string goalkeeper so I expect Hart to be gone. It just remains to be seen whether any other club will meet their price or if they are willing to back down.

James Watts
5 Posted 25/08/2016 at 15:54:32
We couldn't afford him anyway but I'm sure the 3rd choice GK at Southampton might be a goer.
Les Martin
6 Posted 25/08/2016 at 15:55:53
I got the impression that Everton have never had any interest in Hart from Ronald's comments. Also, he quite rightly plays his cards close to his chest with regards to transfers and giving too much away. I get the feeling some deals will still happen and go to the wire.

I also get the feeling that Ronald never looks too happy in these press conferences does he? You get the feeling he wants the exit door ASAP. He gives the impression that you don't cross me, or ask fool questions despite the wry smile now and then. I think he is just what we need, a manager who gets on with the job and not looking to be a media darling.
Jamie Crowley
7 Posted 25/08/2016 at 15:57:45
So relieved. Overrated English player hyped up due to being "England's number one".

A massive waste of money and resources at 20 million in my opinion.

Ian Burns
8 Posted 25/08/2016 at 16:01:48
OK one gone - what is the next rumour to be quashed? I suppose we wait until next Wednesday to see the outcome, as suggested by RK. The Stoke game, as he said, is much more important right now, unless you are an anxious Everton supporter! Me? Only interested in the Stoke game but did you hear the one about...
Colin Glassar
9 Posted 25/08/2016 at 16:04:50
Great news. This means we will get him on TDD for a far better price than City want.
Jay Harris
10 Posted 25/08/2016 at 16:10:40
I have said it before but Hart looks to me like he has personal issues.

Why would City want a player who is loved by their fans and has given them such good service down the years treated this way and being forced out of the club.

Also Ronald was adamant with his statement" We have no interest in Hart".

Anyway whatever way it went I am relieved we didnt get him. I would much sooner we spend our time and money looking for an up and coming DeGea.

John Mckay
11 Posted 25/08/2016 at 16:18:34
I think we will be waiting until the last few days to wrap up are business. That Perez looks like he's off to Arsenal.

Think if we wanted to sign Hart and Sissoko waiting until the last few days would be best, we could get a reduced price as city and Newcastle will probably want rid rather than keeping them.

We just need another striker in, would love that Islam Slamini, I haven't seen him play but he knows where the onion sack is that's for sure, great stats, think we should go all out for him.

Mata rumours well and truely gone now then? Was hoping we would get someone to go in the hole to replace/competition for Barkley.

Andy Riley
12 Posted 25/08/2016 at 16:18:52
I haven't seen video of what he said but it could be that he had "no interest" in speaking about it. Other reports say bookmakers have suspended betting on Joe Hart joining Everton!
Michael Polley
13 Posted 25/08/2016 at 16:23:37
3 points against Stoke please and then think about transfers
Kevin Rowlands
14 Posted 25/08/2016 at 16:41:52
From what I've seen so far Stekelenburg looks more than capable of being the starter for the whole season so this is no great loss, at this point he's got to be the bargain of the transfer window for what we paid, don't forget last season it was Howard/Robles so Stekelenburg /Robles is still an upgrade, I'd be ok to stay with them two.
Andrew Keatley
15 Posted 25/08/2016 at 16:55:03
Chelsea have just signed a new GK; Eduardo. Might mean that Begovic is on the move.

If we do end up signing another GK then Joel is going to be hoping that he can swing Belgian citizenship in order to get any football this year...

Colin Glassar
16 Posted 25/08/2016 at 17:00:15
Big clear out coming apparently. Ronald has seen enough of Mcgeady, Niasse, Kone and even McCarthy and Cleverley and will get rid.

I can see Hart, Kone, Witsel, Martina and Slimani all coming in on last minute deals with Jim and Kirsty orgasming live on the telly.

Maynard Hanna
17 Posted 25/08/2016 at 17:00:19
Every press conference that RK has done has been impressive. I don't for one minute think he had any intention of signing Joe Hart.

It just goes to show what all the so called BBC 'experts', and other football media journalist had to say and continue to say about Everton targets are all conjecture. They know no more than the rest of us. In truth I find them an irritable bunch. RK continues to outfox the lot of them and long may that continue.
Brian Harrison
18 Posted 25/08/2016 at 17:06:47
I cant understand why 2 weeks into the season and the window is still open. Why the Premier league cant stipulate that our window closes the day before the Premier league starts. If Europe want to extend their deadline past this date then thats up to them.

I like RK will be happy when the window has closed and we can stop all the nonsense that goes on while the window is still open. I would prefer 1 window per season either in the middle of the season or before the season starts. Or is this part of the deal with Sky, to keep their viewing figures on the last day of the window.

Mark Morrissey
19 Posted 25/08/2016 at 17:09:51
Without wishing to piss on anybodies strawberries here, it's not that we are not interested, its because we cannot afford him. This idea that we are being shrewd is nonsense. We cannot afford him. This is why we won't be signing him, nor Witsel, nor anybody else. Sell to buy. Nothing until Stones cash was freed up. This is why RL won't be sold. RK knows he cannot replace him like for like but with Stones he could do that. Its why Walsh has been signed. Moshiri will plough his money into the stadium and not until that starts will we see Marquee signings at Goodison. Look, if we make a marquee signing and sign Joe Hart, I'll be on the pitch naked for the Middlesbrough game. It ain't going to happen. £2 million for the no mark from Southampton will happen but a new striker or an expensive centre back, forget it. Why did we announce to the world we were after Perez ? was that so the Arse could offer him the same deal but also offer him a new chopper for Xmas and CL Football. We still haven't learnt how to buy players. That is why Moshiri has gone for Walsh. We will learn but not in this window
Patrick Murphy
20 Posted 25/08/2016 at 17:10:21
There is a simple way to do it Brian, start the season in the first week of September as they used to do many many moons ago. The worst aspect is no sooner has the window closed and the International fixtures disrupt the season.
Patrick Murphy
21 Posted 25/08/2016 at 17:14:10
Mark (19) Was it really an employee or director of Everton FC who announced that Everton FC were after Perez? More likely the selling club or the players agent who tipped the press off that the lad was available surely?
Martin Mason
22 Posted 25/08/2016 at 17:21:03
Mark, I don't accept what you say as fact but if we are going for gold with the ground and doing good transfer business in the meantime surely that is fantastic? Selling Stones was amazing business by the club and we have signed 3 exceptional players for the price, we should be praising the club to the rafters.

Our future depends on us moving to a good ground that can generate income and this will cost big money. The strength of rich backers is not that they splurge all of their money on players but that they provide the financial backing and guarantees for us to have a sustainable future.

We are great fans and we will fill the ground as long as we see that what the backers do is genuinely for the club and us fans. As an investor Moshiri also has the expectation to make money for the risk he's taken, I hope he makes it.

Patrick Murphy
23 Posted 25/08/2016 at 17:27:23
Martin (22) I wasn't in the least bit concerned about our transfer policy in this window until I read so many posts about the Dear Leader from you in recent hours - Now I am very worried that it's another ground-hog transfer window and we have moved no further forward yet again!
Kristian Boyce
24 Posted 25/08/2016 at 17:30:35
I've never understood the interest in him. City are getting rid because they want a ball playing GK. Isn't that what we want as well? With Koeman's Dutch playing style, it calls for a keeper that can play from the back. Stek grew up playing that way, as did Robles. I think it's all paper talk putting 2 and 2 together knowing that we are on the lookout for more players and have cash to spend.
Andy Sommer
25 Posted 25/08/2016 at 17:33:57
Chelsea signed a goalkeeper called Eduardo. Could that lead to Begovic coming here?
Mark Morrissey
26 Posted 25/08/2016 at 17:40:38
Martin @ 22. What you say is exactly right. It's my thoughts. Just an opinion but what you have said is spot on but I do think we will handle transfers better in future windows. We cannot offer European football and so at this time we struggle to be a lure but the Perez deal could have been handled a lot better. Arsenal don't even want a striker. I gave up on marquee signings weeks ago. We will do some business this next week but it won't be Hart, it won't be Witsel, it won't be Mata. Out of our financial bracket for this window. If we had other strikers he would have sold Lukaku too in order to strengthen the midfield and CB positions but he knows we cannot tempt top class marquee signings just yet.
Ian Linn
27 Posted 25/08/2016 at 17:46:18
It seems to me that this is a completely media fabricated story. I never saw anything anywhere from Everton that said we were interested in Hart, the media just made it up and our response has been for Koeman to deny any such interest.

For all the media frenzy about Hart, the unfairness and unethical treatment of a player, 10 years loyal service, blah blah blah, to me it is quite simple.

City have a new manager and he doesn't fancy their No. 1 keeper, most likely based on the clangers he dropped in the Euros. Simple. You get a new boss, he's not impressed with you, his job is to win trophies, if they win the league and the Champions league this season without Hart then his decision in vindicated. Either way, it's the managers decision. Personally, I don't rate Hart as highly as others for the clangers he occasionally drops.

I don't want to see him at Goodison.

Terence Tyler
28 Posted 25/08/2016 at 17:47:33
Koeman looked a bit angry and responded abruptly when asked about Hart. I see Skybet have now made the R/S new favourites to sign him. Has he been got at by former teammate Milner and the other creepy England flops based at Anfield.?
Colin Glassar
29 Posted 25/08/2016 at 17:54:55
Skybet Terence? Have they still got us as favourites to buy Balotelli?
Martin Mason
30 Posted 25/08/2016 at 17:55:44
Thanks Mark. I think we have a great management team in place now and I see us earning the right to attract the great players. I believe that like in 1983 we will do it by these amazing buys like Gueye, Williams and Bolassie rather than buying Messi. Like with Leicester it will be the chemistry rather than the value of the chemicals that will make us great and that is how it should be. I was sceptical about Koeman appointment but I think now that he is the one. We just need to be patient.

What we need to sort out first is the engine room, defend well, become very difficult to beat and on the back of that to develop style. For me it's 3-5 years and I believe that we are the coming giants but there are no silver bullets and magic wands.

Peter Morris
31 Posted 25/08/2016 at 18:15:28
I said in an earlier discussion on the Hart situation that I hoped these rumours were unfounded and I am pleased that this now appears to be the case. We don't want some overpaid and over rated player joining us out of convenience for himself. We want players to want to come to EFC for the right, positive reasons. Far better things can be achieved with the funds it would cost to even secure Hart on loan. So, I say, stay at Man City, keep taking the Arab oil money and keep an eye for that dandruff returning.
Joe Digney
32 Posted 25/08/2016 at 18:16:03
Haha Colin @ 16 sounds good to me except the second paragraph. You heard anything? or that just an opinion of what's gonna happen? ( and I don't mean the orgasm)
Mark Morrissey
33 Posted 25/08/2016 at 18:20:19
RK's reaction to Vinny O'Lugholes on this issue from Sky was superb. Pure class. The media, Sky particularly, have been entirely responsible for linking us to Hart. They believe that if they say it enough times it will happen. They want to believe they are involved in the transfer dealings of all the clubs in the world. They actually know nothing and when asked the question " what is the interest from Everton " you could almost sense Vinny preparing to speed dial Jim White with another transfer scoop and then came RK's swift retort " no interest" and a closing of his baby blues. You could sense that RK actually wanted to say " now fuck off back into your hole you story making bell end" but with a touch of class he simply said nothing more. Love it. Perhaps they will finally back off and link him to someone else. Stek is our man for this season. Enough said.
Colin Glassar
34 Posted 25/08/2016 at 18:25:38
Just a hunch Joe.
Karl Parsons
35 Posted 25/08/2016 at 18:29:23
If Joe Hart wants to play football he better not sign for Everton. Made up me I think he's shite.
Mark Frere
36 Posted 25/08/2016 at 18:35:56
Thank f**k for that.
James Hughes
37 Posted 25/08/2016 at 18:45:59
Mark you have a lot in common with the media, "closing his baby blues"FFS
Jim Knightley
38 Posted 25/08/2016 at 19:03:37
Good.
Roy Kjærstad
39 Posted 25/08/2016 at 19:08:38
Quite disappointing to hear that we should have 'no interest' in the best goalkeeper who is available for transfer. I had been hoping to see a statement of ambition from the club this transfer window, and this was a golden opportunity to show it.
Brian Harrison
40 Posted 25/08/2016 at 19:17:20
I think that RK has identified some of the players we need and they have been signed. We needed a centre half who was strong and could dominate in the air, so we sign Williams.

We need a high energy midfield player we sign Gueye.

We need a strong pacy forward we sign Bolasie.

Given the fact that last season there were 1,000s of posts saying this is the best squad we have had for years. And we have now strengthened that squad, why people are now moaning about the lack of signings.

Alasdair Mackay
41 Posted 25/08/2016 at 19:38:55
I see Chelsea just signed a new understudy.

Maybe they're clearing the way for Begovic to move on to Everton.

I have no evidence to support this and no-one who might be in the know old me, but it's on the internet now, so it will probably be in the Mail tomorrow.

Edward Wallis
42 Posted 25/08/2016 at 21:02:18
I just think RK is so impressive as a person and a manager.
This press conference was fantastic.

Makes me proud he is at Everton and really believe he will make us successful

Very honest and clear in his views. Everybody knows where they stand with him good, bad or indifferent. His high expectations are dragging us into another world we've never been to in the EPL era

Hart would not be value for money in my eyes. Impressed with Stek so far even though only 3 games!! I say put it towards playmaker & forward. An interesting 5 days ahead.

Jason Wheeler
43 Posted 25/08/2016 at 21:06:28
I know it's early days but this guy is growing on me day by day. Give him time, he's a legend of world football – and let's just say "he knows his stuff".
Edward Wallis
44 Posted 25/08/2016 at 21:08:08
Martin Mason.

Great posts & points made 100% agree with you mate

Martin Mason
45 Posted 25/08/2016 at 21:14:05
Thank you, Edward.
Ian McDowell
46 Posted 25/08/2016 at 22:23:52
I was reading on Twitter that this deal was 90% done only for Everton to pull the plug. Might be rubbish but I think there must of have been something in the rumours.
Jamie Crowley
47 Posted 25/08/2016 at 22:26:54
Roy K @ 39 -

How is it a "statement of intent" to sign an overpaid, over-hyped, bang on average keeper?

Stek has done very well and his distribution these first games has been marvelous.

Hell, I'd rather have Tim Howard back than sign Hart. And I actually mean that!

Thomas Surgenor
48 Posted 25/08/2016 at 22:38:07
Stekelenburg has been great and a huge surprise to me in the first few games. Was he really 3rd choice at Fulham?

We knew he "used to be good" due to his World Cup and Champions League outings. My fear with him is that he will get slack when the window shuts; I'm not sure we can trust him to maintain his current levels. Luckily that's a decision for RK to make.

On Joe, he is a great keeper but, if he was to come here, it needs to be all on our terms. Either that or he can rot in Man City's reserves. What a strange decision though for Pep to cup tie him for all European clubs. Surely that decreases his value to the majority of teams that could afford his wages?

Peter McHugh
49 Posted 25/08/2016 at 22:43:55
Correct, Thomas, although I doubt an oversight and strikes me that a done deal for Hart to a non-Champions League Club as they're just waiting to sign that Barca keeper
Pete Ward
50 Posted 25/08/2016 at 22:49:44
I can see us signing Begovic. Chelsea have just signed a keeper from Zagreb which must be with a view of Begovic moving on.
Kevin Rowlands
51 Posted 25/08/2016 at 22:50:58
Talk about an odds merry-go-round today, he was 8/15 this morning, out to 8/1 after the presser, 5/1 a couple of hours later with the RS then 7/4 fav, just looked again and we are now favs again at 7/5 with the RS 12/5, wonder if Ron did a Redknapp and piled on at 8/1? This one still has legs for sure.
Ian Hollingworth
52 Posted 25/08/2016 at 23:04:01
No interest in Joe Hart, hmmmm, well we bloody well should have. If we really have ambition then we should want top quality players who are better than the ones we currently have.

Like it or not Joe Hart is head and shoulders (no pun intended) above our current goalkeepers and signing him would be a massive signal of intent.

Eugene Ruane
53 Posted 25/08/2016 at 23:16:02
Ian - 'Like it or not Joe Hart is head and shoulders (no pun intended) above our current goalkeepers and signing him would be a massive signal of intent.'

Like it or not, that's just an opinion, not a fact.

What is a fact is that Hart is now third choice at City and a manager considered to be amongst the most successful in the world has made that call.

I don't think Hart is shite or garbage but he's nowhere near as good as some think he is and it appears (to me) that in the last couple of seasons, his form (and confidence) has diminished.

As for 'massive signals of intent', fuck that Sky-talk bollocks, just get the players who can do the job properly and get them fit.

Colin Grierson
54 Posted 26/08/2016 at 00:04:00
If you shut your eyes and listen to RKs press conference you can hear Steve McClaren. Give it a try.
Eddie Dunn
55 Posted 25/08/2016 at 00:05:10
Goalie is not the most important position to be filled at the moment, we really need another creative midfielder and a striker.

Hart is a good player, but I heard he was on £140,000 per week! Surely a fair bit more than Mr Stekelenburg!

Jim Hardin
56 Posted 26/08/2016 at 00:23:58
Alasdair Mackay,

More likely that Roman was getting itchy what with not having written a check to buy another future loanee in the last week. Just feeding the addiction is all Chelsea are doing.

Besides, no goalkeeper is going to be worth more this season than the muppet referee who, by failing to send off Costa with a red card in the first game of Chelsea's season, netted them 6 points so far.

Kevin Rowlands
57 Posted 26/08/2016 at 01:03:52
Like other posters on here I'm iffy about Hart but this bloke say's its one of his biggest regrets not signing him:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9093518/Manchester-Uniteds-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-regrets-not-signing-Joe-Hart-when-he-had-chance.html

Jamie Crowley
58 Posted 26/08/2016 at 02:40:24
Kevin R @57 -

Smells of Scottish bullshit to me...

In my short time watching "the footy" Man Utd have had:

Van der Sar (did I spell that right?)
De Gea

Yup... really regrets not signing Hart for a backup!

Hart is simply overrated and on the downside. We'd do well – in fact it would be intelligent – not to sign him.

Trust your instincts, Kevin! Iffy at best!

Martin Nicholls
60 Posted 26/08/2016 at 08:50:53
Papers (well, the Sun!) now reporting that Hart "willing to take a pay cut" to join the shite. Must be hoping to make up the shortfall by taking a slice of their Nivea deal to go with his Head & Shoulders one! Who needs football when you can make your money out of male modelling?
Ray Roche
61 Posted 26/08/2016 at 09:10:11
It'll be interesting to see what price City put on Hart if or when they sell him. Seeing as they've just paid £15.4m for a new, and presumably better, keeper than Hart who was third choice anyway, they can't logically ask for more. Can they?
Mike Green
62 Posted 26/08/2016 at 10:37:55
Thank God.
Steve Jones
63 Posted 26/08/2016 at 10:51:02
Loving the 'classic TW' whining about net spend. Let's not bring up the fact we'd spent 10 mill before we'd even agreed that Stones was leaving.

Also let's skip past the bit where, agents fees etc and the sell-on to Barnsley included, we've spent more than we recouped off Stones.

Lastly lets pretend that, despite it being typed on these hallowed portals daily, the only reason that we haven't signed a 50mn quid striker is that our new owner won't front up the cash. There being the obvious queue of 50 million quid strikers battering on Koemans door just dying to sign for us.

Ahhh mindless jibbering about net spend that familiar hallmark of TW in the transfer window!!!

Roger Sunde
64 Posted 26/08/2016 at 11:03:12
Yes I agree with most here, and I think Stekelenburg has looked really good.

We couldn't asked for a better keeper the first two games.

Brian Furey
65 Posted 26/08/2016 at 12:36:24
I notice Hart's replacement Claudio Bravo is 33. The same as Stekelenburg. Hart seems to be appearing in a lot of those H&S ads the last 2 weeks.
Ian Hollingworth
66 Posted 26/08/2016 at 12:51:10
Eugene, you are correct it is just opinion. However some opinions are based on facts.

Statistics, teams played for, trophies won etc I would guess all go towards opinions on which players are better than others.

Like it or not bad goalkeepers do not win championship medals. That is merely my opinion but I am sure it is based on multiple facts.

Funnily enough the fact that Hart is City's number 3 is actually based on their current managers opinion.

Like it or not statement of intents can be key in the crazy world of football. Signing perceived top quality players does send a signal and gets you noticed by other players and agents alike.
As much as we all would disagree and like to think otherwise, Everton are not that big a draw in the world of football.
The manager (being a perceived big name in football), Lukaku staying and signings such as Hart all help to change that.

That is not just sky talk bollocks it happens to be part of life. It even happens in pub footy. The Red Lion signs a star midfielder whose mates follow him to the team because he is a good player. You get my drift.


But as you say and what makes football so great, its all just opinion.

Steve Hartwell
67 Posted 26/08/2016 at 12:57:17
Well David Moyes is looking for a new keeper now...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37193497

"Vito Mannone: Sunderland goalkeeper out for three months with elbow injury" Hart will fit in nicely there ;-)

Stewart Lowe
68 Posted 26/08/2016 at 13:09:26
Hart may be a good goalkeeper but he isn't a great. For the money City would want there are keepers out there of the same class for a third of the money being touted.
Paul Mackie
69 Posted 26/08/2016 at 13:17:23
I've got to agree with Ian on this one. Hart is a good (but probably not as good as the media make out) goalkeeper and the main reason he's been dropped by Pep has nothing to do with his shot stopping ability. It's just that he's not the kind of keeper who can play as an 11th outfield player. His replacement, Bravo, most definitely is and that's the reason that when Pep raided Barca he didn't go for their first choice keeper.
Steve Jones
70 Posted 26/08/2016 at 14:00:22
Got to say that I disagree with Ian on the 'statement of intention' thing. How many years have the red mess over the park been buying big names .

There's been more marquees in Anfield than at the Henley Regatta but stuff all forward motion because they've not got their house in order.

Leicester made very few statements of any kind other than 'thank fuck we didn't get relegated last time out' then went and won the league.

The term 'statement of intent' is a meeja sound byte designed to play to those fans who think football spend is some kind of top trumps game where we win if we spend £50 million and the other lot only spend £49.5 million.

Martin Mason
71 Posted 26/08/2016 at 14:22:14
Ian@66

Opinions are very important as the well thought out ones will likely be or will become facts. Opinions though have to have some basis and the problem is that many don't really understand the difference between opinion and fact and hold opinions that have no valid basis whatsoever.

James Hughes
72 Posted 26/08/2016 at 14:38:41
Steve (#63) – that queue of strikers at Koeman's door has been a real problem for the caretaker when he is trying to lock up. The fuckers won't leave, worse than last orders at the Big House on a Saturday night.
Roy Kjærstad
73 Posted 26/08/2016 at 15:03:50
Ian@66 makes perfect sense to me. Although ToffeeWebbers differ in their views on Hart's ability, he remains an experienced, decorated, high-profile international. As such, his signing for us would show other potential targets that we are an ambitious club intent on going places and able to attract big names.

But I suspect the board isn't planning on shooting for the big stars at this stage. Going about things the Steve Walsh way – uncovering lesser-known talent – is a more patient and economically responsible approach. I just can't help drooling at the thought of Everton shopping off the top shelf again.

Robert Workman
74 Posted 26/08/2016 at 15:38:41
I enjoy watching Koeman's press conferences. He comes across in a similar way to Moyes, without feeling the need to be rude.
Winston Williamson
75 Posted 26/08/2016 at 15:53:45
Even though it's rumour - if Hart is even considering a move to LFC then it just shows he's a classless tart.

Mind you, I've a feeling (only a feeling mind) that he'd fit right in with the Nivea boys!! Prancing farts, all of them!

Stick with what we have in the goalkeeping department until the right player becomes available.

Stan Schofield
76 Posted 26/08/2016 at 16:32:15
Well, good that RK has been quite categorical about not being interested in Hart. We can manage quite well with Stek.

I like RK's press conferences, he treats the media as they should be treated, like a gang of pseudo-professionals who largely sell nonsense. He's not a showman like so many.

Ian Hollingworth
77 Posted 26/08/2016 at 16:40:42
Steve (70) all very nice but unfortunately all those teams who spend the big money win more trophies than we do or at the very least finish higher up the league than we do.

Yes Leicester bucked the trend but is that the plan hope to unearth enough gems and hope they gel together?

Stan Schofield
78 Posted 26/08/2016 at 16:58:03
The biggest 'statement of intent', if such a thing is required at all, is showing we don't need to sell players. Like Lukaku. If we did want to extend this to showing we can buy 'marque' players, the likes of Hart arguably don't fit the bill. In any case, real 'statements' of any kind consist of showing performance on the pitch, which stems from good management and the right buys, which might or might not include marque signings. I wouldn't want us to be like Liverpool, throwing cash around to no great effect.
Steve Jones
79 Posted 26/08/2016 at 17:13:29
Ian (#77),

Why is it one or the other?. Why not a mix of home-grown, unearthed gems and a couple of top quality buys?. That's shaping up as Koeman's plan by the looks of it.

Leicester City is the most extreme case of course, but, money alone has never been a guarantee of anything.

Man City were taken over in 2008 and won stuff all til 2011.

How much was Chelsea's wage bill last season? They finished where?

The RS have spent stupid sums what've they achieved of late?

Sure there's usually a link between the squad that spends the most and the squad with the most quality. It's not conclusive proof of anything though.

Is Idrissa crap because he only cost £7M? Do Stek's saves not count for anything because we picked him up for pocket change in Premier league terms?

Ian Hollingworth
80 Posted 26/08/2016 at 22:26:38
It is not one or the other I agree with that.

It is about a mixture. City might not have won anything initially but they bought the likes of Robinho that made a statement and got the world of football taking notice of City.

We can call Chelsea and RS all we like but in recent times they have been more successful than us in terms of trophies and finishing above us in the league.

All I am saying is that we should be signing players who are better than what we have got and in my opinion Joe Hart is one of those players. If we could get a top striker instead, then okay... but is that on the cards?

Chris Gould
81 Posted 26/08/2016 at 22:39:09
David Marshall going to Hull for a meagre £3.5 million.

Very good GK who can be relied upon.

Steve Jones
82 Posted 26/08/2016 at 23:29:30
Fair play Ian.

Funnily enough the point about Robinho is the key one to me I just see it differently. The football world saw that City had a long way to go, before it had the quality to challenge, and that attracting quality was going to be both difficult and expensive for them.

That is the reality that was flagged up then and it's still just as valid today as we see unfolding before us now. City didn't become a force in the game until a lot more pieces were very expensively grafted on. That's when their intent became something that football people took notice of.

What you're doing is a lot like those clamouring for a trophy at all costs. It's looking at the show and not the substance.

You don't build a squad to peak and fade in a season or two. Redknapp famously made that mistake at Pompey and Leicester have just copied it. Leicester have no follow up talent in the pipeline building on what they did last season and no resilience. This season Will be a bit of a tough dose of reality for them.

You build the squad with the purpose of enduring at the pinnacle when you reach it. That's what Ferguson did, that's what Wenger has been desperately trying to do. Mourinho doesn't have the nature to do the strategic bit which is why he's never had the ability to hold a job for more than a few years. The planning has to be strategic as well as tactical. The trophies follow the squad not the other way around.

In context of Hart does he improve us to a degree worth his salary?. In my view no and he's not likely to form a part of a strategic plan for the next 2-3 seasons. Signing him then only makes the statement 'we don't know what we're doing but this'll look flashy on Sky Spurts!'. Wrong message to those that matter.

Andy Crooks
83 Posted 27/08/2016 at 00:29:11
Ian # 66, what about Felix? I think he has a World Cup winners medal and had some msjor weaknesses in his game. The main one being he was utterly shite.

Poor players can hide in good teams. I don't think Joe Hart is poor but his confidence looks shot.

Ian Hollingworth
84 Posted 27/08/2016 at 06:58:47
Steve I think we may agree more than these messages indicate

What you're doing is a lot like those clamouring for a trophy at all costs. It's looking at the show and not the substance.

I actually believe that quality additions to the team is what we need to build a team capable of winning trophies
There's nothing wrong with wanting to win it is what the game is all about anyway

As for Hart not being part of strategic plan for next few seasons where does that put Stek?
You can hardly say Hart would be a here and now signing

I stand by my opinion that we need better quality players to push on and I believe you need to add quality year on year not sit back and hope for the best

One thing we will all agree on today is COYB

Kim Vivian
85 Posted 27/08/2016 at 10:28:33
Reading now that City will pay up to 75% of Joe's wages and Sunderland (FFS) are muted to be in the frame. Surely we must be looking at this seriously. No brainer to me especially if we could get him in for (max) £30k/week cost to us.

I do like the look of him but just 'cos Stek's had a couple of good games it shouldn't mean that position is sorted should it? If that was the case we need look no further than Joel.

How can we have "...no interest..." unquote, in Joe Hart?

Steve Jones
86 Posted 27/08/2016 at 11:49:43
Hart has just been found wanting by a top grade manager. We need a keeper who is good enough for a CL team .not one that used to be good enough for a CL team.

Hart may be a step up on what Sunderland have. He's not a step up on what we've got though. From my point of view he doesn't command his area and we've just got shut of one Manc reject keeper who was suspect in that regard.

Either way if Moyes is idiot enough to go for Hart it just shows he's in full on damage control mode. By next May Hart will be looking for his next step and Sunderland will then, if they're still up, be looking at a transfer fee they can't afford and an unsubsidised wage demand that blows their structure out of the water. He's not going to fit into any rational development plan for the club and he'll obstruct a keeper they could bring in who could be a better fit!.

We'd likely be able to absorb those things better than them...but is Hart worth it?. Don't see it myself.

Kim Vivian
87 Posted 27/08/2016 at 12:30:56
Tim Howard was a damn decent keeper for a few years until age and RM caught up with him. Was a very canny acquisition by Moyes (among others).

Short memories on here. I don't remember people howling for his blood over two years ago. Stek looks decent so far but not yet proven in my eyes and Joel is iffy cover I'd say.

Graham Mockford
88 Posted 27/08/2016 at 12:55:00
Tim could be a frustrating keeper but he was a very good shot stopper. Looks like he still has it.


Link

Steve Jones
89 Posted 27/08/2016 at 13:02:47
Tim was hopeless on deep crosses and he was poor in commanding his area. Decent at the reflex saves from close in though.

Not a real top drawer keeper by any stretch though not when you stand him up next to Nige Martyn or big Nev.

Dave Abrahams
90 Posted 27/08/2016 at 13:26:58
Graham (88), Tim should have saved it with his LEFT hand, what do you think Jim Hardin? !!!!!!'m

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