The Toffees duo were both introduced in the second half but neither could prevent the Red Devils from going down 2-0 at King Baudouin Stadium in Brussels.
Meanwhile, new loan acquisition, Enner Valencia, played the full 90 minutes of Ecuador's World Cup qualifier against Brazil today.
The striker, a late signing for Everton from West Ham last night, made his 30th international appearance against the Ecuadorians' illustrious South American foes who hadn't won at elevation in Quito for 33 years.
The match was goalless at half-time but the visitors scored a goal either side of Juan Carlos Paredes's sending off for a second bookable offence through a Neymar penalty and a Gabriel Jesus strike to go 2-0 up before the latter rounded off the match with a third in injury time.
Later, Ramiro Funes Mori's Argentina played Uruguay in Mendoza. The Albiceleste began the day third in South American qualifying behind their opponents today and Ecuador who both have 13 points after six games.
Funes Mori started again in central defence alongside Nicolas Otamendi tasked with keeping Luis Suarez and Edinson Cavani quiet but it was Lionel Messi, back on duty after reversing his decision to retire from international football, who scored the winner with a deflected shot late in the first half.
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1 Posted 01/09/2016 at 23:49:36
2 Posted 02/09/2016 at 00:17:55
It's not going to go very well, is it?
3 Posted 02/09/2016 at 00:35:39
4 Posted 02/09/2016 at 00:38:47
5 Posted 02/09/2016 at 00:39:33
Regards El Dickhead, Belgium got an early dose of just how shit he is! Did put the word manager in, bad mistake deleted quick, fate which awaits brown shitty shoes!
6 Posted 02/09/2016 at 00:42:07
7 Posted 02/09/2016 at 00:49:00
8 Posted 02/09/2016 at 02:03:17
I just hope it doesn't affect Super Kev or Rom, if they do well for Belgium but their defence doesn't that will be fine! By all accounts the defence was crap, same old same old!!
12 Posted 02/09/2016 at 06:25:15
Hope things improve for them though. I see that the Netherlands lost too!
13 Posted 02/09/2016 at 06:41:16
14 Posted 02/09/2016 at 06:41:59
On a positive note, our Ramiro Funes Mori was awesome for Argentina against Uruguay. In a real hostile 'local derby' World Cup Qualifier, he and Nicolas Otamendi stood firm against Luis Suarez,and co who threw everything but the kitchen sink at them in the second half with Argentina down to ten men. Uruguay were top of the group before the game and the players of both sides weren't taking prisoners!
A great game and great goal for Messi, out of retirement as expected. I'm not sure why Funes Mori still gets slagged off by certain TW members. If it had been announced that "KOEMAN TO SIGN REGULAR ARGENTINA CENTRE BACK" instead of him beng a Martinez signing I think there'd have been all round rejoicing.
The guy is a really good player who I'm sure will get even better under Koeman. Argentina do not select duds for important World Cup games and Funes Mori has now been ever-present in their defence for, I think, their last ten matches. He's going to be an awesome signing for us as he matures into the English game so let's get behind him and stop knocking the lad. He wasn't overawed by Suarez and was even brave enough to wear #13. Unlucky for some, especially Suarez. I hate that biting s.o.b.
Back to Belgium for a second and did anyone notice how disorganised their defence looked? Typical Martinez set up, poor defending at set pieces and especially lousy marking at corners. Nice to see nothing's changed in his approach to defensive coaching. They looked as if they'd never met each other before, never mind played together. Good old Roberto..lol.
15 Posted 02/09/2016 at 07:27:58
To destroy an entire defence after only a few days with those players... well, that would take some doing.
18 Posted 02/09/2016 at 10:17:35
19 Posted 02/09/2016 at 10:32:03
20 Posted 02/09/2016 at 11:28:31
21 Posted 02/09/2016 at 11:28:31
Out of the furnace...
22 Posted 02/09/2016 at 12:55:11
He has 14 caps in national team with 11 wins, 3 draws and 10 clean sheets. Today, he is the undisputable CB starter of the National Team.
23 Posted 02/09/2016 at 14:40:22
24 Posted 02/09/2016 at 14:48:57
25 Posted 02/09/2016 at 15:27:36
At last, we have appointed a quality manager, but it will take him time to undue all the bad habits the players got into under the charlatan.
I see it hasn't taken the Belgium fans long to recognize he is a fraud, mind what he got as a payoff from us and what the Belgians will have to pay, he wont have to worry about getting another job. Just shows whoever said you can't kid all the people all of the time, obviously wasn't aware of the charlatan when that statement was made.
26 Posted 02/09/2016 at 15:36:44
I'm still not convinced by him and I hope some Spanish team offer a lot of money for him based on his performances for Argentina, because we won't get the same fee based on his Everton career so far. Just my opinion, and as it stands, Koeman's as well.
27 Posted 02/09/2016 at 15:57:49
I think he is No 3 choice now behind Jags and Williams as RK already has him on the bench if playing 4-4-2. I just think he's too hesitant or indecisive at times in the Premier League. Sounds like Valencia also prefers international football.
28 Posted 02/09/2016 at 16:45:42
He plays with Premier League guys (yesterday with Zabaleta, Otamendi) so I don't think it's about style of football.
Anyway, it's clear that he is still learning. Years ago he was prone to doing very hard tackles, nowadays (Origi incident apart) he has far fewer yellow cards.
29 Posted 02/09/2016 at 17:14:35
As for Argentina, Funes Mori had Suarez in his back pocket the whole game when he came onto that side. Really great play late in the game when a ball was played through for Suarez and Funes Mori, without giving Suarez a chance to flop, ran with him in the box, got in front and made Suarez foul him. Several good headed clearances, some nice footwork playing the ball out of the back, as well as passing under pressure, and even some very good reading of the game in the opposing half of the pitch for our Funes Mori.
Can't help but think that RK is excited over the talent of both him and Holgate and what he and Williams and Jags can teach both of them.
31 Posted 02/09/2016 at 18:45:47
32 Posted 02/09/2016 at 19:24:40
How on earth he got the job will be one of the worlds unsolved mysteries, and in time may result in a BBC 4 documentary and much philosophical debate.
As for Funes Mori, a class act, I am sure this season he will become a gem as he gets to grips with the Premier League bruisers, obviously a class act on the floor and in the air.
Lets give Valencia a break and half a season to see how he fits in, may yet prove to be a shrewd and deadly move, bags of pace and some skill too, used in the right way by Ronald and we could be rubbing our hands.
36 Posted 02/09/2016 at 20:27:56
In Martinez's first season, most of the players were Moyes's players, who probably retained fitness from the high intensity regime that Moyes ran. They also had the habits bred from Moyes's philosophy of chasing & shutting down space when we didn't have the ball, and if I remember correctly, the fitness coaches were still in place. So, adding Martinez's keep-ball philosophy to that initially worked a treat.
It was towards the end of his 1st season and start of the 2nd when things unraveled. The fitness coaches had left. And there was a comment that all the training was focused on ball possession, without any focus on what the players do when they haven't got the ball.
This philosophy destroyed the players' fitness to the point where they couldn't defend properly. And this is where Martinez showed that he wasn't up to it. Because he couldn't see that the lack of fitness meant the players couldn't execute what he wanted when we had the ball. It was clear to all of us. Yet for Martinez it wasn't; or he was too stubborn or weak to admit his mistake.
This is why Koeman's decision to change formation at WBA before half-time was a breath of fresh air to us all. Made a mistake, fixed the mistake, won the game.
No-one gets it right all the time. But good managers are strong enough to admit & correct it when they get it wrong.
37 Posted 02/09/2016 at 20:32:37
I actually have a good friend who used to work for him and have a true story about the prick and his golf etiquette and honesty which will tell you all you need to know about what type of person he is, if anyone is interested. Not sure this is the place to post it though.
Owning Everton? You must be fucking joking, he would make Sullivan, Gold and Ashley look like Sheik Mansour and Abramovich.
40 Posted 02/09/2016 at 21:40:46
41 Posted 02/09/2016 at 22:18:43
Delboy was subbed out shortly into the 2nd half, 49 mins, with the score 4-0 at the interval.
He didn't score. The boy who came on for him - the intriguingly named Inaki Williams - scored the final goal on 88 mins.
Watched Ecuador-Brazil last night to check out Enner, principally. Totally anonymous, even in a 1st half when the home team had the better of it.
Brazil romped home 3-0 in the second, their first win in 20 years at the high altitude capital Quito. Two very good goals by the latest teenage wunderkid, Jesus Gabriel, already snapped up by City.
42 Posted 02/09/2016 at 22:19:19
43 Posted 02/09/2016 at 22:21:51
53 Posted 03/09/2016 at 10:15:12
Regarding the Belgium defence, that made me chuckle, the thought of them never having met each other, let alone having played together.
54 Posted 06/09/2016 at 11:14:21
55 Posted 06/09/2016 at 15:50:36
Check it out.
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