Everton settle massive pay-off for Martinez

9 September  155 Comments  [Jump to last]
Everton have been forced to pay former boss Roberto Martinez in excess of £10m in severance according to reports.

The Catalan was sacked in May following a horrendous run of results that had the Blues on course for a second successive bottom-half finish but the club were bound by the terms of the contract extension he signed in 2014 to pay up the remainder of his term.

The report claims that the final sum was set at somewhere between £10m and £11m by an independent panel, a compromise at less than the £12m owed.

Martinez has since been appointed the manager of Belgium and there were some commentators who believed that his relatively swift return to management might make him ease his severance demands from Everton but that does not appear to have been the case.  


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Nick Page
1 Posted 08/09/2016 at 23:51:02
Oh. My. God £10.75m for that!

Do we have lawyers that can read or are they more of the same leftovers from cheapskate Bill and his cronies?

Kenwright should be hanged from the fucking Top Balcony. He should pay for that.

Enough is enough. In-D-fucking-fensible.

Brian Cleveland
2 Posted 09/09/2016 at 01:27:18
Never ceases to amaze me how someone who fails completely in their job can get sacked AND compensated.

Is there never anything written into contracts about performance levels that can be actually measured and if you don't meet those levels, goodbye and good riddance without compensation?

What incentive is there to perform under such circumstances? You win when you lose, as we usually did under him... depressing and angering.

Kevin Rowlands
3 Posted 09/09/2016 at 01:31:11
Okay, some good, some bad. We bought Gueye at £7 mill and Stekelenburg at £1 mill. On today's market, both would be worth about £50 mill, pay off the deluded one, we're well ahead of the game.
James Flynn
5 Posted 09/09/2016 at 01:47:47
Hopefully this settles who runs Everton. Moshiri dropped the cash to rid us of this hustler. "What a manager" himself would have kept him.

Barry Jones
6 Posted 09/09/2016 at 01:53:03
Brian, I couldn't agree more. Only in football.
Mike Keating
7 Posted 09/09/2016 at 02:03:08
That's a hell of a lot of brown shoes...
Kevin Rowlands
8 Posted 09/09/2016 at 02:08:34
Lads, it's not only in football, do some basic research, top CEOs are paid off all the time for being complete failures.

Martinez is a fucking great salesman regarding his own abilities, good luck to him, should have been a timeshare sales tit, he would have cleaned up.

Ernie Baywood
9 Posted 09/09/2016 at 02:27:48
Nick #1, do you really think we didn't bother to check his contract to see if he was entitled to a pay out?

This happens in football all of the time. It's so obvious that it's not just us. Players and managers are signed to long contracts to stop them walking away for nothing. If either party breaks that then the other is compensated.

The crime was giving Martinez a long contract, but that's with hindsight. We'll do it again many, many times over. Sometimes we'll win, sometimes we'll lose.

Ernie Baywood
10 Posted 09/09/2016 at 02:33:51
Brian #2 I'm sure you could put performance related pay in a contract (on top of basic) but anyone would expect it to be a risk/reward agreement otherwise they wouldn't be prepared to take on the risk. At what point would you reward? And how much? With apparently $10M at stake for failing the reward for a pass mark would want to be pretty good!

We're competing for staff. We can't just dictate strong terms if they have other options.

Jonathan Allan
11 Posted 09/09/2016 at 02:43:43
I don't have a problem with that; if that's what he was legally entitled to, it's got to be paid. Yes, there's an argument about the terms of the contract but both parties were happy to sign it.

It works both ways. No doubt the club benefited from the "enhanced" contract John Stones signed. You can bet your bottom dollar there were more benefits to Everton than his original one. It's business unfortunately.
Brian Porter
12 Posted 09/09/2016 at 03:20:15
Worth it to be rid of him, but I do agree that anyone fired for incompetence or failure to meet the expected standards required by the job (surely applicable in Martinez's case) shouldn't be entitled to claim massive pay-offs like this. It may happen a lot in football or in big business but that doesn't make it right.

Martinez should be ashamed to accept a sum like this as the price of his own ineptitude and failure. The normal people who paid to watch the dross he served up every week as manager won't earn that much in a lifetime. He never needs to work again if he so chooses. Morally indefensible.

Derek Thomas
13 Posted 09/09/2016 at 03:38:22
Lay this firmly at Kenwright's door – no where else. He's the one who gave him a 5-year deal on the back of one good season...also, somebody signed off on Niasse too

We need to find out who wrote up Moyes's contract at Man Utd and hire them.

I can see Kenwright as a character in VIZ... Kenwright's Kock-ups... Jolly Japes from the 'Chairman Chump' of Everpool Academicals – 'He's one of us you know!'

Only at Everton...

Kieran Kinsella
14 Posted 09/09/2016 at 03:44:24
Can't have it both ways, lads. We bitch that Rom is under contract and talking about leaving. But when McGeady or Martinez outstay their welcome, we want to rip up the contract.
Paul Kelly
15 Posted 09/09/2016 at 03:57:14
I've just puked in my mouth.
Stephen Davies
16 Posted 09/09/2016 at 04:11:25
I'm a little confused about this. Didn't Moyes get significantly less compo after being sacked after 1 year (of a 6-year contract)?
Phil Johnson
17 Posted 09/09/2016 at 04:14:20
I thought contracts were written these days that said we would be liable for the rest of his pay for the length on the contract or until he got another job. If the job pays less than what he was getting at EFC then we would be liable for the difference.

Would love to sit in on some of these contract negotiations.

Phil Johnson
18 Posted 09/09/2016 at 04:17:26
Stephen 13, there was definite performance objectives in Moyes contract which meant that he was due less if they were not met.

The key one was them qualifying for the Champions League, which is why he was not sacked until it was mathematically impossible for them to do that.

Seems we were not as thoughtful?

"We can sack you with little compensation if you finish bottom half of the table"

"I don't accept that"

"Are you going to take us to the bottom half of the table?"

"No, of course not, we will be Champions League!"

"What's the problem then?"

Paul Ward
19 Posted 09/09/2016 at 05:15:10
This is down to Bullshit Bill. He gave the go ahead to the Martinez extension, McGeady and Niasse singnings which have cost the club over £25 million. It is time to rid the club of this impostor.
Colin Fitzpatrick
20 Posted 09/09/2016 at 05:17:16
Has all the signs of a definite PR war going on at Goodison, following quite a few recent articles absolving "transfer conductor" Kenwright of any conceivable blame for the transfer shambles on the last day of the window.

We had a series of articles explaining how Moshiri was angry and was demanding answers, then we had the Kenwright mouthpiece Dominic King telling us in the Mail how Everton values – that fans had grown to love – were changing, how everything is now for short-term gain and placed the blame for the deadline day transfer shambles firmly at the feet of Steve Walsh.

Now we have this piece by Lawton & Keegan putting Kenwright in a not too favourable light. Looks to me like these Journalists are getting briefed by different people... I wonder who that could be?

Neil Gribbin
21 Posted 09/09/2016 at 05:37:42
Kenwright should be made to pay this. The helmet.
Ian Jones
22 Posted 09/09/2016 at 06:09:56
Brian @ 11. You are right. Martinez should be ashamed to accept the money due to his ineptitude and failure.

Only one issue with that. Martinez probably didn't feel he had failed and I doubt ever will.

Roy Kjærstad
23 Posted 09/09/2016 at 06:16:56
I find it hard to comprehend why his now being in new (no doubt lucrative) employment shouldn't affect the compensation fee, as he is now effectively being paid for two different jobs at the same time!

Still, at least Moshiri's money has come to good use after the frustration of Deadline Day. Without his investment I can't see how we could have afforded to change managers at this point regardless of how poor results and performance were getting.
Ed Fitzgerald
24 Posted 09/09/2016 at 06:19:14
Grow up, we offered him a contract and we sacked him way before the end of it. Don't you think he will have had his people look at the contract before he signed it? It might be seen immoral to us but so is the wages we pay every single one of our team.
William Cartwright
26 Posted 09/09/2016 at 06:22:02
Obviously players, agent and managers are screwing the market for as much as they possibly can. That's life, sadly.

Mind you it could have been a lot worse. We could have saved £10.5m and kept Martinez! Getting rid at that price, or even double, seems like good business to me.

Given he has just schmoozled himself into another high reward position, a donation to EitC or Alder Hey would be nice. But I doubt that will happen...

Darryl Ritchie
27 Posted 09/09/2016 at 06:40:40
He's done and dusted! If £11 million was the price to we had to pay to show Martinez the door, then it was £11 million well spent.

Martinez is a bad memory, that we can now erase from our collective consciousness. He's Belgium's problem now.

Christopher Timmins
28 Posted 09/09/2016 at 06:40:42
Bad decisions cost, simple as!
Steve Guy
29 Posted 09/09/2016 at 07:16:27
Caveat emptor
Steve Guy
30 Posted 09/09/2016 at 07:18:28
Shame The Dear Leader was in such a hurry to give him that bumper new contract to ward off Barcelona... lol!
Kieran Fitzgerald
31 Posted 09/09/2016 at 07:22:00
Ian @20, that's a huge part of it. Look at Alan Pardew. Maybe fewer goals conceded but his record over the last 12 months can't be much better than Martinez's. Yet Pardew probably thinks he the best manager ever. He probably sulked in a darkened room for a week because Allardyce got the England job ahead of him.

Sam Allardyce has done very little of note and is suddenly the new England manager. Imagine his ego now. They could easily have given the job to Tony Pulis by the same reasoning.

Thomas Surgenor
32 Posted 09/09/2016 at 07:27:13
Didn't we give him this contract and terms at a time when it was still possible he could be the "hottest manager" in England? Remember there was talk of him taking over at Barce at a time! He was also the first big banner on the side of Goodison. Most adored him after Season One.

This compensation was effectively to ensure we got a "good return" on him when the "big boys" came calling. Unfortunately as we all know, it went the other way and we had to pay it out.

Stephen (#15),

Moyes wasn't required to have the same clauses in his Man Utd contract. It was highly unlikely Bayern etc would come poach him. So instead United had "failure clauses" inserted making it easy for them to get rid.

Ya know, Moyes probably had a very similar contract to Martinez while at us and that was why he ran it down so that United hadn't to pay.

Kenwright would most definitely have kept Martinez to run down that contract a little more while we offered him around to other clubs and "waived" the compensation due. That was the only way Kenwright knew. The cost saving way.

Moshiri took prompt action to improve our immediate standing while fully aware of the required compensation; this is evidence the club has now moved forward and that he won't suffer poor performance. I fully expect to see Kenwright phased out of the club in the next 2 years. He is only around to help Moshiri decipher the mess he is taking over, keep things ticking over while Moshiri focuses on the bigger projects (stadium) and, in return, BK gets one last horray and a nice profit. I don't believe Moshiri will suffer this fool much longer.

Ian Bennett
33 Posted 09/09/2016 at 07:36:14
We found the Arteta money!

What amazes me is that he's walked straight into another job. Double bubble.

Thomas Surgenor
34 Posted 09/09/2016 at 07:43:55
Ian (#31),

In hindsight, if we knew we were going to have to pay that much then I think we should have put him onto "gardening leave". That way he would still be employed by us and if he wanted to leave he would have to accept a much lower payout – or in theory none at all. In fact we would have been owed money.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong but didn't Rangers do something like that with Ally McCoist?

Tony Hill
35 Posted 09/09/2016 at 07:46:29
Let us just thank God he's gone. It makes me happy every time I think about it. There was a price to pay. Now we have one of the finest managers in the world and not a babbling fraud.
Joe Foster
36 Posted 09/09/2016 at 07:49:02
Worth every penny to get rid of him. Money well spent.
Anthony Jones
37 Posted 09/09/2016 at 07:53:09
You want it to be easy and painless for employers to be able to sack their employees, despite them working hard and putting in the hours?

Martinez may have failed in our eyes but an emloyment tribunal wouldn't have agreed.

He was always due to be paid off. He wasn't sacked. More fool Everton for not making his contract conditional.

Steve Hartwell
39 Posted 09/09/2016 at 08:20:10
It's done, he's gone. Now can we please forget about him and start looking forward to better times under management from someone that has more than just a Plan A?
Ciarán McGlone
40 Posted 09/09/2016 at 08:22:58
Martinez certainly wouldn't have the entire balance of his contract had the matter been heard in Court.

However, he probably knows too much about the internal workings of the club to allow the matter into Court.

He is not getting what he's entitled to... he's getting the amount Everton are prepared to pay to keep him from revealing where the bodies are.

Trevor Peers
41 Posted 09/09/2016 at 08:24:01
Doesn't this just illustrate how bad BK's judgement is, in all things football? One good season was never going to be enough to justify offering Roberto that huge contract. The 4-0 defeat at the shite, that season, was a warning sign.

If he had waited another six months, the true worth of Martinez as a manager would have been obvious.

When lots fans on here called Roberto a charlatan and a chancer, many on TW where so offended, but that is exactly what he is. Now we're paying the price.

Dave Abrahams
42 Posted 09/09/2016 at 08:40:40
Most of us live and learn by our mistakes, soft lad doesn't seem to and Everton FC are the losers.

The quicker Billy Boy leaves Everton, the better... What a Chairman!

John Crawley
43 Posted 09/09/2016 at 08:44:38
Colin (#19), those were my thoughts as well after reading the John Richardson article in the Mirror, it was all Walsh's fault and Kenwright had done a sterling job keeping Lukaku!

This contract debacle sums up the ineptness of Kenwright and Elstone. If you're going to reward Martinez in such a big way with a new contract, then you have to protect the club by having a clause in there about paying him off for less if performance is poor. The fact that we didn't sums up the shambles that is Elstone and Kenwright.

Sam Hoare
44 Posted 09/09/2016 at 08:52:46
Bizarre and disappointing. More seeming evidence at the ineptitude of the previous(?) regime.

Moyes got about one year of his remaining contract when Man Utd sacked him I believe.

Eddie Dunn
45 Posted 09/09/2016 at 09:01:09
It is as Jimmy Greaves used to say "A funny old game". Martinez walking into one of the best jobs in international football (in terms of the quality of player), and the rewards to him for underperforming over two seasons.

As for these stories apportioning blame for the last throes of the TDD, it does seem that there is a power struggle going on at Goodison. Who knows what is really happening, but it seems that, as usual, we will be the last to know.

Luckily Koeman seems to be focussing on the games ahead, and we can hope for more progress on the park.

Eric Myles
46 Posted 09/09/2016 at 09:07:24
He'll have a hefty tax bill this year.
Dick Fearon
47 Posted 09/09/2016 at 09:08:05
Obviously no performance-based clause, eh?
Thomas James
48 Posted 09/09/2016 at 09:09:42
This is classic mismanagement...

Moyes had a 6-year deal at Man Utd, he was fired and was paid £6m. That is a enough money for doing a bad job. How we managed to pay £10m+ for 2 years is unbelievable.

Martin Nicholls
50 Posted 09/09/2016 at 09:23:26
Outrageous! It is reported that BPB "agreed a deal that would warn off other clubs" and evidently did not consider the possibility of Martinez being sacked but walking straight into another job.

And he and Elstone are still in charge of our transfer negotiations? Wtf is Moshiri thinking of? If I'd had to foot that pay-off bill, the only contract I'd let Kenwright near would be his severance contract! As others have said, why was Martinez not just put on gardening leave?

Colin Fitzpatrick
51 Posted 09/09/2016 at 09:48:35
John #38, Indeed, the actual story did the rounds in June, it's now been embellished with some finer details such as the name of Martinez's lawyer, you have to wonder why it's now deemed newsworthy at this moment in time.
Peter Roberts
52 Posted 09/09/2016 at 09:48:48
The only good thing to come from this is that Moshiri will be under no illusions as to what a bunch of clowns we have had running the club.

Power battle? I expect him to wipe the floor with the lot. Elstone to go asap. Bill – Honourary President. Then leave us to be run properly.

Geoff Williams
53 Posted 09/09/2016 at 09:57:19
We should have just given him the rights to Niasse.
John Keating
54 Posted 09/09/2016 at 09:57:29
The world's greatest Evertonian has not only pulled off a massive payout from his non-investment in the Club, he has also come out clean from his Martinez contract debacle.

Will be interesting to see what "legacy" he leaves the Club when he finally rides off into the distance. Possibly use part of his payout to buy back and give Finch Farm back to the Club?

Lewis Barclay
55 Posted 09/09/2016 at 10:02:07
We paid £10.5m to get rid of Martinez.

I think that's cheap.

Stan Schofield
56 Posted 09/09/2016 at 10:04:05
A contract is a contract. It's water under the bridge now. Loads of people get paid for failure, or just for doing nothing. Doesn't make it right, but it just IS.
James Hughes
57 Posted 09/09/2016 at 10:17:33
At least Martinez won't set foot in Goodison Park again. If he ever wondered what sort of reception he would get, he will be in no doubt now after fleecing us. I think we should call the fraud squad for obtaining money under false pretences.
James Stewart
58 Posted 09/09/2016 at 10:18:30
I would have been totally embarrassed to take that kind of sum after his disgraceful ineptitude. It proves Moshiri's pockets are deep, bring in Koeman and getting shut of this clown will have cost about £25m!
David Chait
59 Posted 09/09/2016 at 10:34:46
James especially after committing gross neglect in signing of Niasse cost the club huge money!
Alan J Thompson
60 Posted 09/09/2016 at 10:42:32
Well done, Bill. Fixed the fax machine yet?
Victor Yu
61 Posted 09/09/2016 at 10:53:21
New strategy for managers:

Be good for one season -> Get a big long term contract -> Become bad and force to be fired -> Get a big pay-off -> Get another job -> Continue the cycle...

Steavey Buckley
62 Posted 09/09/2016 at 10:57:37
I hope Martinez is not planning to avoid taxes on his severance pay, because he will owe about £4 million in tax.

On the transfer front, he bought Lukaku who is worth double the amount he was paid for. He also made Stones a centre back, that brought in just shy of £50 million when sold to City. Niasse was a big mistake, yet, £8 million of the money to buy Niasse came from selling Naismith to Norwich, who were relegated. Holgate looks a star in the making, who was also brought in by Martinez.

Martinez more than balanced the books at Everton, even when including his salary. More importantly, he kept Everton in the Premier League, whose tenure concluded with the sale of Everton to a billionaire. So, Martinez's days as manager of Everton was not all gloom and doom.

He also got Everton to the semis in both the FA Cup and League Cup last season. While in his first season, when Everton were 5th, secured the largest amount of points in an Everton season in the Premier League, which would have been good enough for 4th place in most seasons.

Richard Dodd
63 Posted 09/09/2016 at 11:00:00
The Catalan has actually cost us around £23M over the past few months if you take the money paid for the useless Niasse into account!

All that for gross incompetence. Moyes's pay out at OT was so much less because Man Utd have top HR lawyers drawing up their contracts rather that showbizz luvies!

James Hughes
65 Posted 09/09/2016 at 11:36:48
Steve Buckley stop trying to be balanced and reasonable. TW has standards don'tcha know...
Paul Holmes
66 Posted 09/09/2016 at 11:42:35
Steavey Buckley (#55), you are spot on but let's be honest – he got lucky in his first season and we all got kidded: fans, owners, players that he was the real deal, hence the new bumper contract.

I don't blame the club but what transpired in the next 2 seasons will be his legacy as Everton manager. He turned us into Wigan but with better players!

It's worth paying him off just to be able to listen to our press conferences again. Looking at the present situation, we got a top manager Koeman (plus his brother) on the cheap!

Anthony Dwyer
68 Posted 09/09/2016 at 11:54:08
We run our club like kids running a sweet shop.

We re-evaluate the contract of a manager based on one season, up his terms and conditions, add extra years, and don't even consider protecting ourselves.

Then when he's failing miserably we give him cash to buy a striker, who is not only unfit to start games, but carrying a long term injury. To top all that, the striker is totally awful, so bad that the clown who bought him won't play him, and his predecessor won't even give him a squad number.

The things Moshiri needs to check on at us are the basics and fundamental parts of running any business, the contracts, the sponsors and so on, long before we start buying new players etc.

Our club needs shaking up and waking up.

Peter Laing
69 Posted 09/09/2016 at 11:56:04
Can somebody please tell me why Bill is still hanging around Everton like a bad smell? He's trousered a small fortune following the sale of half his shares in the Club and seemingly has rediscovered his mojo as a result.

Following years of dereliction of duty, he needs to do the honourable thing and walk away and leave Moshiri with a clean deck to get on with running the Club.

Ian Burns
70 Posted 09/09/2016 at 12:07:52
It has all been said above but I would like to register my dismay at the ineptitude shown in this saga. Martinez has taken this club for a ride and Kenwright gave him the vehicle to carry him on that journey.

What a Chairman – thank goodness for Koeman and Moshiri.

Gary Edwards
71 Posted 09/09/2016 at 12:08:34
The day will come when neither football or reality can either sustain or accept these ludicrous contracts. Football is increasingly more businesslike... and hard nosed businessmen will not accept paying out huge sums of money that are not subject to a guarantee of performance and real achievement.

At the time Martinez was fired, I recall the first public words from his 'side' were from his 'union' and remember thinking "ouch, this is going to hurt".

Kenwright and Elstone should be held liable and accountable for committing to such an unfavourable employment contract and exposing Everton and its shareholders to such unreasonable compensation.

Peter Laing
72 Posted 09/09/2016 at 12:17:59
Agree Gary #60, but Elstone is rewarded with a place on the board. Teflon Bob.
Steve Woods
74 Posted 09/09/2016 at 12:34:11
Probably been said elsewhere but could we not just give him Niasse as compensation and as a goodwill gesture tell him to keep the change!
Kunal Desai
75 Posted 09/09/2016 at 12:35:14
A clear out of rubbish still remains at the top before working it's way down to the playing field. Let us hope Moshiri increases his shareholding and takes full control over the coming months.
Brian Harrison
76 Posted 09/09/2016 at 12:37:06
Absolutely amazing, and they say you cant kid all of the people all of the time. He failed miserably at Wigan and Everton appoint him after getting them relegated, then pay him off at a cost of £10 Million for failing here. Then ,when you think well surely nobody else will touch him, he lands the Belgium job.
Mark Dunford
77 Posted 09/09/2016 at 12:39:15
Really he should be paid a year's salary and not the full value of the contract. I don't know if this is normal in football but it isn't elsewhere.

Moyes's departure was handled with far greater dignity by all concerned. Interesting contrast between them – and, yes, I do realise Moyes let his contract run down and had another job lined up... still no "loyalty" bonus or the like.

Martinez comes across as snake oil salesman who got rumbled and took as much as he could lay his hands on when he left.

Simon Jones
78 Posted 09/09/2016 at 13:02:15
I have got mixed feelings about this...

There is so much money in PL football now that these sort of sums in payoffs will be par for the course. We finished 11th last season, hardly a massive failure, it was the style of play that put most TWebbers' backs up. If you give a guy a huge contract when things go well, then don't be surprised when it bites you on the arse if things turn sour.

Steve Woods
79 Posted 09/09/2016 at 13:03:55
The sooner Kenwright has no influence on any matters regarding running of the club, transfers, contracts, the media etc, etc, etc, the better! I have to say my early elation when Moshiri bought into the club quickly turned to dismay when I learned that Bungling Bill was to be retained as Chairman. My dismay turned to horror when I learned that he was going to continue to be involved with transfers and player contracts.

Cheapskate, olde tucke shoppe mentality Bill is going to trouser close on £50 million once the remainder of his shares are sold. Yet his lousy short-sighted mentality has dragged this club down for 20 years, he has been nothing but an anchor around the neck of the club during the golden years of Premier League prosperity.

Hopefully Kenwright's last involvement with Everton will prove to be the catastrophic hiring of Martinez, the man who took us backwards and I am convinced would have taken us down. Add the £10.75 million compensation to his 3 years salary (£9 million) and that comes to close on £20 million. Then add the appalling 5-year Niasse deal to the Martinez disaster, £13.5 million transfer fee plus his £2.5million a year salary, £12.5 million, a total £26 million liability for a "striker" and player we will be lucky to even give away. Thanks a lot Bill, Hiring Martinez has cost the club about £46 million!!

I do hope that Moshiri was using this transfer window to hand Kenwright and the suntan kid enough rope to hang themselves with. They should both be out of the door for the years of outrageous neglect in "running" our club.

Jonathan Tasker
80 Posted 09/09/2016 at 13:20:01
Once again - utter incompetence from Everton.

1) Appointing Martinez in the first place – I did say this at the time -– why appoint someone who has just got his team relegated?

2) Not firing him earlier;

3) Having to fork out a fortune even though Martinez was the worst manager since Mike Walker.

Steve Hopkins
81 Posted 09/09/2016 at 13:24:45
So that's where the Arteta money went, Bill.
Bobby Thomas
82 Posted 09/09/2016 at 13:29:38
Roberto Martinez is the product of a footballing culture in this country that has no confidence in itself anymore. We have no idea what we do, what were good at, and how we approach the game.

After taking Wigan down, if he was called Bob Martins and was from Leeds he would have been laughed out of town and had to drop 2 divisions to get another gig.

The opposite happened. Look and learn. Why, Roberto's teams try to play in the "right way". He talks of goal being a "great action", being in the "moment", "incredible intensity".

His failure resulted in him getting interviewed for 2 of the biggest jobs in the country here on Merseyside. We at Goodison then got to experience first hand Roberto's brand of football.

His first season was a successful one, well two-thirds of it, as he opened things up as that's how he likes to play. But also reaped the benefits of the previous regime who instilled in the squad everything that Roberto's reams are not: organised, disciplined, fit, resolute, spirited and worked for each other. You know they actually had a bit of shape and stuff. Could defend crosses.

What followed, and it seems the players were soon onto it as there were clearly problems in the dressing room from the start of the second season, was man way out of his depth. His sides are weak, disorganised, unfit, easy to play against, lack tempo in possession, predictable, are shocking from set pieces at both ends of the pitch, and are the easiest side you will ever see to counter. I could go on.

He also created a very unbalanced squad with no options or variety in mid, no cover at right back, failed to resolve left mid for 2 seasons straight, didn't get any strike cover for 2 seasons straight, indulged Howard to self defeating extremes and set the worst home record ever and honestly thought Alcaraz would cut it here.

Spanish Walker.

Joe O'Brien
83 Posted 09/09/2016 at 13:52:41
I'm just glad he's gone. It is unreal that for a person to fail miserable at the job he was given he gets a massive payoff when he's sacked.

I want Bill out asap. I feel as long as he is here at the club, he's holding its back. Still find it unbelievable that he's involved in the transfers. Like he might have been good in the past when we had to wheel and deal, but now we don't have to.

Sounded like a bit of a dig from Koeman yesterday into what happened with the Sissoko talks that he wanted to come then didn't know what happened after that.

Did I see from someone that Moshiri taking a bigger stake in the club by Christmas and thus relieving Bill from his duties... I sincerely hope so.

Les Martin
85 Posted 09/09/2016 at 14:11:04
Martinez has gone, he is Belgium's problem now. We move on and to a new and exciting era.

Mr Moshiri wont let this type of contract settlement repeat itself as he is a business man and savvy.

James Hughes
86 Posted 09/09/2016 at 14:13:11
Football Culture is now the Ssky luvvies. They have been banging on about the Manc Shite all morning and their derby. Every time I have checked to see if they are actually covering sport, the answer is NO, just those two bunch of twats.

Next thing Jim White will be on his knees in front of Jose & Pep. Sky wankers... and breathe.

Bob Hannigan
87 Posted 09/09/2016 at 14:16:28
Shouldn't a large portion of that settlement come out of the pocket of the person who decided to extend Martinez's contract? Kenwright, perhaps?
Patrick Murphy
88 Posted 09/09/2016 at 15:04:48
Certainly appointing Mr Martinez and extending his contract has proved very costly in financial terms and perhaps to the club itself in terms of how it is perceived at least in the short-term, let's hope that Mr Koeman is the real deal and manages to turn things around on the pitch, in the coming months.

As has been alluded to by Colin earlier and others elsewhere, if there is any sort of power battle going on behind the scenes, that will be bad news for all of us because when push comes to shove Bill always manages to get his own way. Remember Gregg and those others who have had the audacity to tell him what to do with his club?

It would be far better for Everton FC, if the whole of the board, old and new members could find a way to iron out any difficulties they may be having and present a united front. There is no hard evidence that anything is wrong at the moment but there are small things including the activity in the transfer market or lack of it, the return to the loans set against next years TV income, the bizarre statement and other communications with Jim White, the slow progress of operation makeover with Goodison's cladding and the Mayor in his recent audio interview with the Echo, gushing over Mr Moshiri but referring to Bill as 'Kenwright' rather than Mr Kenwright or Bill.

Most of what we know about Everton in recent months has been fed to the media, particularly to the local media, with nobody from the club taking any responsibility for the information which is published. It smacks of very poor PR but also has those of us with suspicious minds on alert as it would appear that those in power at the club do not appear to be singing from the same hymn sheet. We'll wait and see what transpires in the next few months, but at least from Monday onwards we can escape all of that and concentrate on the stuff that really matters to all of us, events on the pitch.


Joe Clitherow
89 Posted 09/09/2016 at 15:16:46
Steavey Buckley, I have to take issue with your post that Martinez "more than balanced the books at Everton". I'm all for balanced analysis but sugar coating like you have done totally distorts and provides an erroneous conclusion. The man was an unmitigated disaster, both on the pitch and financially.

Firstly, granted, he brought Lukaku in at £28M but last I looked he was still on the books and until we actually do sell him we haven't turned any profit on him and judging the apparent lack of interest at inflated prices over the summer there are no guarantees there at all. Let's put that aside though because I think we both agree that deal was good business.

But the we come onto Stones. How does Martinez take any credit for a profit there. Because he made him CB? Really? Stones was bought by Moyes as a RB who could also play CB which was clearly the intention for him longer term. Whatever money we got for him there is a strong argument that the lack of development/coaching/rubbish that came from Martinez meant that we could possibly have got a lot more for a high performing talent. So the simple act of selling him at a high price is just daft. In any case it was Koeman who realised that profit by your logic so I don't see how Martinez figures in those funds being in the "Credit" column. Similarly 8M for Naismith. What on earth has selling him at a good profit got to do with Martinez? He wasn't his signing and selling him and spunking all the cash plus a load more on Niasse cannot be seen as positive either in terms of football cover or good business.

Holgate (and Galloway) I will definitely give you those as examples of good business, similarly Barry. Jury is out for me on McCarthy and Besic, but not on McGeady or on salaries spunked away on Traore, Atsu etc, which will not have been insignificant.

But then in terms of League placings where I take issue again. "More importantly, he kept Everton in the premier league". Seriously? He took over the side that finished 6th the previous season and was consistently Top 6/7/8 previously and he was seriously backed with transfer funds in a way his predecessor was not, due to the timing of the new TV deal. Yeah he finished 5th but collapsed from a good position as his policies and influence took hold. You could also argue that the successive 4 place drops from say a reasonable expectation of 7th was a cost of around £11.2M in prize money, plus the mess he left behind which all takes money to fix in employing new staff plus his severance.

Sorry Steavey, not even near break-even for me and certainly not the positive book balancing you put forward.

The man was an unmitigated and near total disaster for Everton Football Club both on and off the field of play.

Joe Clitherow
90 Posted 09/09/2016 at 15:33:49
Patrick

Bill may have previously got his own way before when he had the influence over shares, but things have changed now. He simply can't get his own way over Moshiri even if he is capable of rallying his large block holding mates around. Which is doubtful even in itself as they would surely also see Bill's influence diminished with the transfer of his shares. Nobody could credibly back against Moshiri with 49.9% of shares and apparent options on more.

I don't know what the rumours of a power battle behinds scenes are but they are surely extremely unlikely. I posted a response to Phil Walling who raised similar fears moths ago that Bill was in charge and said that it couldn't really happen. Once Moshiri had decided something that Bill may not like it doesn't really matter anymore as he (Moshiri) now has real control whether Bill likes it or not. Whatever power Bill has at Everton is clearly through the discretion of Farhad Moshiri as the effective controller of share majority. Added to small shareholdings like mine I believe there is still a large block of shares held by Grantchesters and there is apparently no love lost for Bill there.

Will Firstbrook
91 Posted 09/09/2016 at 15:37:19
Agreed Patrick. The fact that there doesn't seem to be one clear voice speaking on behalf of the executive at the moment is a bit disconcerting (notwithstanding the odd text here and there).

Off the pitch, I expect we will remain in "business as usual" mode until Moshiri assumes majority ownership of the club and the final curtain falls on Kenwright's reign. Whenever that may be is anyone's guess.

However, can any of us blame Moshiri for holding off on sinking more personal investment into a business where Kenwright still maintains operational control?!

Andy Meighan
92 Posted 09/09/2016 at 15:40:11
Steavey (#62), He was also responsible for producing some of the worst football ever dished up at Goodison Park and that's saying something after some of the shite I've witnessed down the years

And here's the coup de grace The same manager whose sides were on the receiving end of 2 of the worst performances in our club's history. I'll give you a clue, they play across Stanley Park And for that alone he will never be forgiven.

He should be paying the club £11 million – not the other way round. An absolute impostor. Oh, and a liar to boot. Good riddance.

Drew Shortis
93 Posted 09/09/2016 at 15:44:08
Shocking. I understand that when a manager gets the sack for anything but gross misconduct or breach of contract they should be due some severance payment, but £10m is ludicrous.

We really need to put some performance related clauses into the contracts, ie, if you fail to finish in the top ten and are sacked the payment is £5m, sacked when in the relegation zone and it's £2.5m.

I guess the severance payment gives managers a little more job security in a highly cut throat game, but giving the guy £10m for two years of dross is the clubs fault!

Ian Hollingworth
94 Posted 09/09/2016 at 15:44:34
My next comment is applicable to most of the threads on here at the moment.

How much longer do we have to put up with Bill Kenwright?

The answer to that might just shed some light on the possibly upcoming journey.

Joe O'Brien
95 Posted 09/09/2016 at 16:13:31
Ian I thought when Moshiri bought his 49.9% stake that there was a sort of timeline mentioned about the future purchase of the remaining shares. There's been a lot of threads about this, but I heard the end of the year for the rest of the shares?

Saying that, Usmanov was supposed to be coming on board as well and that rumour seems to be gone cold.

Chris Williams
96 Posted 09/09/2016 at 16:13:40
There is possibly a corporate governance issue here as well. Kenwright is Chairman still so effectively he runs the board as an officer on behalf of the shareholders, of which he is one too, alongside others of the Old Brigade, plus Elstone. This is where the day to day operational power lies.

Until there is further change here, with new blood and a purging, as well as the shares finally changing hands it is possible that problems might persist.

Moshiri will know this and will now have first hand evidence of the ineptitude at the top of the club. If there is also a PR war going on as Colin said earlier, he will know what to do. So expect people changes before too long (I hope).

Paul Conway
97 Posted 09/09/2016 at 16:20:04
Unfortunately f!or us, that is the price we pay for BK's optimism.. Nobody with a football brain would have given him a contract when the whole scheme was in decline.

But it was worth it. Drastic measures were taken to change the status quo. It was like being caught in a trap and having to cut your arm or leg off with a penknife.

But we are rid of the cause of our misery and it's only money! Blue Skies, nothing but Blue Skies all the way...

Mike Anson
98 Posted 09/09/2016 at 16:41:06
I heard that we couldn't claim gross negligence, as he proved he'd only been negligent 143 times!!!
Mike Allen
100 Posted 09/09/2016 at 17:04:26
I can't blame players or managers if clubs are daft enough to sign in to these contracts. Who will stand up and say enough is enough? Not a one.

The game is awash with money but fortunes are going out of the English game year after year and it's to the demise of the English players and Managers and we as fans go along with it.

Martinez sacked, all kinds of shouts for foreign managers. Transfer window the same, all kinds of mercenaries being suggested, and so it goes on and on.

Tony Hill
101 Posted 09/09/2016 at 17:18:26
We need to form a Blue cocoon: Ronald, the team and the fans. Make sure the season is a success and create the momentum which will propel us away from the mediocrity and confusion of the last two years in particular.

I think Ronald can do it and we have to make sure we play our part in creating the right climate of support both at Goodison and away, starting on Monday.

Ian Riley
102 Posted 09/09/2016 at 17:24:40
I believe Martinez signed a three year contract when he arrived at Everton. (Put me right if wrong!) If the board had waited till year two was over. A new contract of five years may never have come. After finishing fifth in his first season. Mr Kenwright panicked, Madrid, or Barcelona might come calling. How the hell was the contract not based on success. What had gone on at Wigan, it was a bit short-sighted to hand the jackpot after year one.

Good luck to Martinez. A smarter guy than we all think! Mr Kenwright won't be sleeping tonight! Add that to the fee paid to the striker from Russia and what a nightmare!

Michael Kenrick
103 Posted 09/09/2016 at 17:32:35
I think it was based on success, Ian. I know it's hard to comprehend now, but we finished 5th, and qualified for the Europa League, with he highest ever points total for Everton in the Premier League era. A fantastic outcome for the first season under Martinez. I don't recall too many complaints at the time but we are really good at that hindsight malarkey...

In fact, read the comments on this thread and count how many were thrilled with the news at the time.

Nigel Munford
104 Posted 09/09/2016 at 17:36:19
He could bankrupt Belgium!!!
Anthony Hawkins
105 Posted 09/09/2016 at 17:40:05
Two things:

1. It's not just Everton who have to pay off their manager who got sacked. All clubs do it as a matter of course

2. It's not just in football where the top execs get paid off for incompetence. CEO's of corporates all get the same treatment.

No news here other than we're not used to letting our managers go until they're out of contract.

Brian Williams
106 Posted 09/09/2016 at 17:48:42
Michael (#103).

I started to read the thread in your link, then had to stop because of the tears in my eyes.

Tears of despair!

Tony Hill
107 Posted 09/09/2016 at 17:50:59
Fucking he'll, Michael, that's a low blow. Glad to see that my name isn't there though I do recall describing Martinez as the perfect manager for the club and embodying the spirit of Everton.

I suggest that all historic posts be irrecoverably deleted after 12 months.

Ian Riley
108 Posted 09/09/2016 at 17:57:25
Michael #103. I have no problem with the payout. Top five first season was successful. Our team had the mindset from our previous manager of many years. In particular defensively.

All credit to Martinez as he tried to change our style and bring top players in. Perhaps £million payout is fair with all the money in the Premier League.

Mike Price
109 Posted 09/09/2016 at 18:00:09
It's stunning incompetence that in the eventuality of a parting he gets paid in full, only one year of salary should be written into any long contract.

The fact he's already in another high paying job is salt in the wound and sickening really. If only he could have been kept on his contract but shifted to the under 9s or something!

Paul Smith
110 Posted 09/09/2016 at 18:05:57
Ironic if, in 10 years time, the highest points tally belongs to a Martinez team... 😂😂
Raymond Fox
111 Posted 09/09/2016 at 18:25:46
Joe 89, you're very consistent in your condemnation of Martinez I'll give you that! To talk of unmitigated disaster though is stretching the truth, is it not? As Michael has pointed out, most were in favour of a new improved contract for Martinez after the first season, me included.

I agree in the end he had to be sacked because he had lost the confidence of it seemed the majority of the fans, his position was untenable by then.

By the same token, where are fans expecting us to finish this season? It's all very well hoping we do well, but if you put any credence in the betting odds they have down as finishing 9th.

Does Koeman fail if he finishes 9th, for there's not much improvement on 11th!

Joe Clitherow
112 Posted 09/09/2016 at 18:48:02
Raymond

I certainly am, and in my view proven to be correct.

"To talk of unmitigated disaster though is stretching the truth is it not"

How so? Not at all in my view, he would have relegated us this season or next, I am convinced of that. The worst manager of Everton I have personally ever seen, and I saw pretty much every single one of Walker's games in charge before someone comes in saying I never watched him.

How can you not think the clown was not a disaster for us would be my counter? For me it beggars belief that there are apparently some who still think otherwise. We are still suffering the effects of his complete incompetence. I have identified that there were some decent signings on his watch (though Lukaku polarises opinion here more than any other Everton player I can recall), but then even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Are you still pining for him Raymond?

Martin Mason
113 Posted 09/09/2016 at 19:07:19
To be fair he did look the real deal but there were signs at the end of the season as we had dreams of getting past Arsenal that what had gone before was an illusion and we never recovered.

It was a noble gesture on Kenwright's part to tie what he thought was a great manager to the club but for it to be on a 5-year deal was an awful decision in retrospect.

Lucky we have a co-owner who will pay this compensation and that of Koeman and Walsh without blinking.

Max Levy
114 Posted 09/09/2016 at 19:09:42
If Martinez had only been a managerial clown this payoff would have been hard to swallow. But his sheer arrogance in continously denying anything was wrong is what really grates with me. His suffocation of everything good at the club was unbearable.

In 45 years of watching football I've not come across anything as unfathomable as his appointment as Belgian boss. He may have left with £10 million but he will be the richest oaf in football in most people's opinion.

Christine Foster
115 Posted 09/09/2016 at 19:31:24
Personally I think the good first season he had was due in large part to the fact that the players were still in Moyes mode when it came to defence. Liberated up front the players had more freedom to play.

The second season saw Martinez imposing the infamous "let's play it out from the back" system, something we neither had the players for or the ability to do it.

It would have been okay if he had been able to bring in the right players to give him that balance but he didn't and consequently paid the price of failure.

When it comes to contracts, he was offered and signed on for 5-years, not his fault. The fact his subsequent failings meant his demise and triggered a penalty clause then that's life in the fast lane.

It's our risk, not his. He should never have been given a 5-year deal... you can only ask Kenwright what the hell he was thinking. But every contract I have had was a fixed term, a to b... and should the club terminate earlier then it has to pay out.

You can try to negotiate but why on earth should Martinez, walk away from a company without getting what you are contracted for?? Good will??? No I am afraid this one lands fairly and squarely on Bill's shoulders.

Colin Glassar
116 Posted 09/09/2016 at 19:33:37
As Farhad said to Bill, "This is another fine mess you've got me into, Billy."

Is anyone really surprised anymore by the poor deals Calamity Bill makes?

Tony Abrahams
117 Posted 09/09/2016 at 19:40:53
Have to agree with Joe that Martinez would have taken us down and, judging by the pay-off that Kenwright would have had to give him, I'm sure he would have been given every chance to do so.

Be careful what we wish for? Thank god Moshiri came to Everton when he did.

Joe McMahon
118 Posted 09/09/2016 at 19:42:11
Every day Kenwright continues to be at this club expect more amateurish conduct. How can Moyes in the first year of a Man United (largest club in the world) get a lower pay off? Not only that Man Utd didn't pay for Moyes and we paid for Martinez after he just relegated a team.

After 39 years of supporting my interest is draining away, and it's all because of that bloodsucking parasite – Kenwright.

Chris Leyland
119 Posted 09/09/2016 at 19:51:29
My favourite comment on the thread Michael posted from when Martinez signed his new deal

"If he's given half the time the dour one got just imagine where he can take us."

It is almost prophetic.

Chris Leyland
120 Posted 09/09/2016 at 19:56:56
Or maybe this one is my favourite...

"I could happily watch Roberto's Everton for the next 25 years. I feel that the engraver will be needed well before he has been with us for 11 years."

Rob Halligan
121 Posted 09/09/2016 at 19:58:10
Might be wrong here, but wasn't it in Moyes's contract at Man Utd that if they didn't qualify for the Champions League in his first season, then he faced the possible sack, with just one year's compensation payment?
Colin Fitzpatrick
122 Posted 09/09/2016 at 19:58:59
Chris #96, yes let's hope he knows what to do because the shake up at Everton, from acting like something out of the amateur league, pulling one stroke after another, to operating as a top flight professional club can't come quick enough for me.

I've been acting a little facetious on here and on twitter, asking why this old story is news. Apart from my amazement at the detail known about what is a private matter which lends itself to somebody leaking information, there's more to the whole sorry saga than meets the eye.

For example, the lawyer representing Martinez against the club, Chris Farnell, I find it astonishing that a note in Bill Kenwright's accounts a few years ago confirms that he borrowed £300k from Bill now he's acting against him! It's an astonishing payoff even in today's madhouse, even more astonishing Everton didn't protect their interests further, don't you think?

James Thornhill
123 Posted 09/09/2016 at 20:01:58
It will be interesting to see what sought of a reaction Martinez will get, when he returns to Goodision to keep tabs on Lukaku & Mirralas.
Lev Vellene
124 Posted 09/09/2016 at 20:03:15
RM looked good for us, but it took about a year before we learned that he couldn't care less about anything defensive when it came to training. Good riddance, he'd have cost us a LOT more if he'd stayed!

Brent #16: DM found a new employer on his own while under contract to EFC, RM was sacked, so DM really should have had no right to any compensation at all!

DM's cringe-worthy 'oh, I'm so surprised about this!' attitude, was understandable from a neutral point of view, but won't be lightly forgotten about by most Evertonians who had seen this coming for years due to SAF's comments!

Garry Corgan
125 Posted 09/09/2016 at 20:10:04
I have an employment contract. There are no performance related clauses in it, except that I am bound by the company's disciplinary, grievance and performance management procedures. If I fail to consistently meet the targets set under those procedures (if they are ever invoked) I will be warned, warned again and sacked. I will be paid three months' notice except in the case of gross misconduct. This is a very common contract.

Martinez was a mere employee. Nevermind having specific football-based performance clauses in his contract. Why was he not bound by the same clauses that the rest of us have in our contract. We'll never know.

It does always seem to be Everton that suffers from these behind-the-scenes business management debacles doesn't it?

Joe O'Brien
126 Posted 09/09/2016 at 20:11:53
I think after this thread finishes there should be a unspoken ToffeeWeb rule to try and not mention Martinez's name again. I for one am sick of hearing about him. He was a disaster and we're so lucky to have him gone.

I'm eagerly looking forward to what Koeman can do with us. I'm leaving the Martinez past behind with his ludicrous payoff and not going to mention him again. Anybody with me?

Tony McNulty
127 Posted 09/09/2016 at 20:15:35
Michael (103) I bet quite a few of us read that thread with fear and trembling in our hearts.
Ray Said
128 Posted 09/09/2016 at 20:25:19
Looks like Blue Bill used the legal firm of Deaf, Dumb and Blind to arrange the contract.
Dave Abrahams
129 Posted 09/09/2016 at 20:55:24
Tony (127), yes I was one them, and even though I was relieved to see I wasn't on the list, I could quite easily have been on it, I must have been sick at that time!!!
Will Firstbrook
130 Posted 09/09/2016 at 21:01:02
Michael (#103) thanks for that hysterical trip down memory lane. Akin to looking back at old junior high pictures of us all donning cheesy pubescent mustaches and rocking mullets. What the hell were we thinking!?!
Denis Richardson
131 Posted 09/09/2016 at 21:25:03
The club were foolish to offer him a new contract on the basis of just one season.

We offered the contract so can't cry at the payoff. Thank god BK no longer has the final word on these.

Martinez is one of the greatest bullshitters the game as seen.

Add the £10m payoff to the £13.5m for Niasse. Really was Keystone Cops.

Jack Convery
132 Posted 09/09/2016 at 23:21:01
Phenomenal! He must have been in a good moment when he got that cheque.
Raymond Fox
133 Posted 09/09/2016 at 23:28:30
Not pining Joe, just making my point that the criticism he has received has been way over the top for our performances in the League competition.

To repeat the betting indicates that we are expected to finish 9th this season, so with a superior manager, a billionaire on board plus a couple of better players, plenty good judges are of the opinion that we will finish 9th!

John Daley
134 Posted 09/09/2016 at 23:57:23
Raymond (@133),

How does where the bookies believe we'll finish this season help back up a case that Roberto has been unfairly hammered?

Obviously their forecasts will have had to factor in the shocking form of the last couple of seasons and the shite state we were left in.

Just because they're predicting a conservative improvement of a mere couple of places under Koeman, doesn't mean the last manager has been harshly judged and his team finished not far from where was expected. That they're saying we might finish ninth this year doesn't mean Martinez didn't underachieve 'by much' last year or the year before. That's bizarro logic to me.

Where were they tipping us to finish at the start of Martinez's second season? Way above 11th I'd wager.

John Crawley
135 Posted 09/09/2016 at 23:58:28
Colin (#122), your disclosure about the solicitor acting for Martinez borrowing money from Kenwright is frankly amazing. There's something rotten in the state of Denmark as they say.


There was nothing wrong offering Martinez an improved contract after his first year, what was wrong was taking no steps whatsoever to include clauses in it that reduced the contract pay off if Martinez didn't perform. That is total incompetence, no wonder Kenwright didn't want to sack the guy!!

Joe O'Brien
136 Posted 09/09/2016 at 00:01:20
His criticism has been way over the top? Are you for real Raymond? If he was still in charge this season we would be going down for sure. The only reason we didn't get relegated last season is because the teams below us were so shite.

I can't believe someone is actually sticking up for him.

Tony McNulty
137 Posted 09/09/2016 at 00:02:17
Dave (129) He performed well in his first season. But as Keynes put it to someone who called out to him in the course of a lecture: "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?"

When Softollies became a found-out, one-trick pony without a Plan B, the party was over.

Eugene Ruane
138 Posted 10/09/2016 at 00:23:03
Michael (103) - just had a look through that thread you linked and the thing that made me laugh was the friendly and familiar use of 'Roberto.'

'Hopefully Roberto can..' etc blah.

Fuck me that changed fast.

A year later 'Get a fuckin' grip Martinez!!'

Two years, 'Just fuck off nob head!!!!' etc.

Andrew Presly
139 Posted 10/09/2016 at 00:56:00
I backed him or at least retained hope in redemption until 3/4 of the way through Season 3. Now and especially after this pay out I don't want him to ever set foot inside Goodison ever again. I'm sad to feel that for an ex-manager who presumably was trying his best.
Peter Laverty
140 Posted 10/09/2016 at 02:09:01
Absolute Lizard
David Barks
141 Posted 10/09/2016 at 02:42:56
Kenwright is the one who offered him the contract. Why is the anger directed toward Martinez and not Kenwright, if you're going to talk about who you do and do not want to set foot inside Goodison in the future?

Plenty on here cheered when he was given a contract extension. Plenty kept telling so many of us that we were wrong to want him gone during that second season, when it was plainly obvious how poor he was. Countless times we were told that it wasn't the Everton way to sack managers, that he deserved a third season, to just wait until at least the next winter.

All the while ignoring arguments that allowing Everton to drop so far down the table would harm our ability to retain out best and attract others.

If you want to blame anyone, blame Kenwright for the contract and blame plenty of Evertonians for being far too easily pleased and willing to accept mediocrity.

Duncan McDine
142 Posted 10/09/2016 at 07:05:13
It just goes to show that actually you can "Bullshit a Bullshitter"!
Eric Myles
143 Posted 10/09/2016 at 07:06:42
Exactly, David (#142), Martinez is just expecting the terms of his contract to be honoured, as every employee would. He didn't write the contract; it's contents should be reserved for those that made the offer.
Colin Glassar
144 Posted 10/09/2016 at 07:59:01
£10m to pay off Roberto, £30m to buy a piece of land on the docks. These are the prices we have to pay to advance.
Trevor Peers
146 Posted 10/09/2016 at 08:51:26
David (#142), The anger is directed towards Roberto because he regressed the club for two years by playing utter shite and clearly didn't deserve the full payout.

It wouldn't and hasn't happened anywhere else, but his is Everton under Kenwright, enough said.

Sajid Patel
147 Posted 10/09/2016 at 09:12:44
Good read this:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/revealed-evertons-fans-social-media-11865764

Didn't know we had Nigerian followers...

Tony Kost
148 Posted 10/09/2016 at 11:28:31
Personally, I think Martinez should have been paid the full £12 million.

And then repaid EFC the monies paid for the incompetent Niasse.

Just about balances that book!

Kevin Tully
149 Posted 10/09/2016 at 11:38:46
Got to be thankful that Moshiri had the sense to admit Martinez was a dead duck of a manager. There are two reasons bullshit Bill would never have fired him. Firstly, he wouldn't want to make himself look foolish because he hired him (no doubt many of you have witnessed the same scenario in your own workplace); and secondly, there is no way BB would have paid the compo.

Damian Wilde
150 Posted 10/09/2016 at 12:00:13
I never hated going to the match more so than when this absolute clown was in-charge. I'd be like 'erm, what do I have on today... the match, oh no.'

I'm sorry, but all this 'but he had a great season' stuff is nonsense. We finished 5th and won nothing. If we won a trophy, fair enough, but we didn't. And it's not like he had a really short contract that was about to expire.

Surely it's simple 'Bob, if you do well, you'll be rewarded, but if you do poorly and we sack you there'll be a nominal pay-off, eg, half a season's wages. You don't like the sound of that? Oh okay, just carry on with the old contract then, we'll tear the other one up.'

It's hardly like the guy was skint and desperate. People mention 'hindsight' how about poor club management from BK? The idiot thinks 5th is a major achievement, that's the problem. People mention 'Barca' might have come, zero evidence of this. Can you imagine, "Hey el presidente, that Spanish fella finished 5th, what do you think?' 'Did he win anything?' 'Er no, but he won a cup with Wigan.' 'Didn't he relegate them?' 'Err yeah.' 'If you come to me with ideas like this again, I will feed you to the bulls, now fuck off!'

I get the 'legally he was entitled to it', but anyone else would be so embarrassed for fighting for cash from a club that they tried to ruin, problem is this first class idiot has zero awareness of how crap he is. He probably thought he deserved 10 million for the 'incredible performance' when drawing against Palace away. Come on, surely worth £10 mill?

This man deserves every ounce of stick he gets, him and his team of buffoon assistants are a complete joke and make me very angry. I look forward to the day he manages against us and we can boo loudly and hammer him for 90 minutes. He has mugged Everton off big style, this is a disgrace, legally entitled or not. How did he get the Belgium job? Even Rom laughed his head off. Baffling.

The good thing though is he's gone and we have what appears to be a good management team with a decent start to the season, now let's turn our attention to another former manager, Moyes bashing time!! COYB.

Joe Clitherow
151 Posted 10/09/2016 at 17:37:48
Why is Moshiri selling Everton on at a profit "worst case" Derek? Doesn't more profit mean we would be in a better state?

Isn't that how a deadbeat joke of a club like Man City ended up being Champions?

Surely Blackburn/Venkys is the worst case?

John Daley
152 Posted 10/09/2016 at 21:24:38
"I get the 'legally he was entitled to it', but anyone else would be so embarrassed for fighting for cash from a club that they tried to ruin "

Let's see. I wonder what would cause more sleepless nights for someone a couple of years down the line?

Finishing in the bottom half of the table two seasons in a row, or saying 'nah, keep it' and walking away from eleven million quid you're contractually entitled to, just so the same people who called you all the scrote sacks under the sun can now say 'at least he did the honourable thing in this instance'?

Anyone else would be "embarrassed" to take it? Bollocks.

Put that same clause in anyone's employment contract, sack them, then say "will you still be wanting this or not?" and see what happens.

You'd have your arm ripped completely out the socket faster than a cheating twat playing ropey holographic chess with Chewbacca.

Andy Crooks
153 Posted 10/09/2016 at 21:41:20
Michael Kenrick, I sweated my way through that link hoping to God I wouldn't be named and shamed. On another link I suppose I could have been. You are like J Edgar Hoover with the files at hand to destroy us all.
Gerry Quinn
154 Posted 10/09/2016 at 22:10:20
And thanks, Michael, I am right at the top of the list of the adoring Martinez fans on that link!!!!! AAaagghh – I will never live that down. Unbelievable how we fell for that so easily... were we that fed up with Moyes?
Colin Glassar
155 Posted 10/09/2016 at 22:40:12
I'm on it twice. I make no bones about my defence of Martinez but he did disappoint me.
Damian Wilde
156 Posted 10/09/2016 at 23:01:57
Was Martinez or Walker worse? I'm wondering what an already multi millionaire does with £10 million? I bet the tight get gives nothing to charity.

A phenomenal and incredible amount of money, I bet he is in a 'good moment'. Is it just me or do others badly want Belgium to fail?
Paul Conway
157 Posted 11/09/2016 at 09:16:16
After reading the comments on the Link, its a simple case of hindsight is 20/20 vision.

I prefer to think that the 10 million pay off was for personal damages – the advanced loss of his barnet!

Colin Fitzpatrick
158 Posted 11/09/2016 at 12:42:09
No PR war taking place, nobody briefing against Bill!

Andy Dunn in the Mirror...

"Because dear old Bill Kenwright – on the back of one decent season – had given Martinez a five-year deal worth £4m a year"

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/premier-league-managers-wont-mind-8812181

Eugene Ruane
159 Posted 11/09/2016 at 13:06:41
Damian (150) - 'I never hated going to the match more so than when this absolute clown was in-charge. I'd be like 'erm, what do I have on today... the match, oh no.'

And after you'd 'be like' that, would you jump on a skateboard and be like 'HEY HEY! YOU YOU! I COULD BE YOUR GIRLFRIEND'?

Paul Conway
160 Posted 11/09/2016 at 13:08:35
I was a follower of Belgium as a team, given they never won a major tournament but had so much talent and potential. I was rooting for them.

But now, I can't stand to watch them due to the deluded one being their coach. Guilt by association!

There is another little irksome issue. The arrival of Terry Henry – "the cheating one'.

When Belgium are playing, seeing Martinez and Terry sitting side by side is a good time to reach for a good glass of... Gaviscon!

Jamie Crowley
161 Posted 11/09/2016 at 13:22:12
I just read through the MK thread, and I actually posted "Excellent news!"

At the time, it was...

That season we finished 5th under BBS we were fantastic.

And some wiser voices were saying at the time, "if we don't sort out our defense and stop leaking goals we're in trouble..."

Or something to that effect.

Joe Clitherow
162 Posted 11/09/2016 at 14:27:56
Close, Jamie. You got the gist anyway...
Oliver Molloy
164 Posted 11/09/2016 at 18:47:03
It is amazing to think that Martinez would still be in control had Moshiri not arrived, given what we now know.

It is NOT amazing that Kenwright has cost the club £10 million in the blink of any eye.

The whole scenario stinks from top to bottom and the only good that will come from this is that Moshiri will be having a word with Kenwright... hopefully!

Paul Conway
166 Posted 12/09/2016 at 06:41:41
Somewhere in the not too distant future, will we be looking back at the 'Moshiri Investment' thread and having a jolly good laugh at ourselves??
Barry Jones
167 Posted 12/09/2016 at 22:50:32
Lyndon, can you remove this article and thread now as it is affecting my health. I am overcome by nausea and a powerful urge to vomit every time I see the article's headline sentence on the home page.

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