New loan signing Enner Valencia is likely to be named on the bench for first game since arriving from West Ham
There's a weird paradox between the feeling with each passing year that time flies by ever faster and yet the international breaks seem to drag by even more slowly these days. Perhaps it's because, having moved on from the increasingly worrisome Roberto Martinez era and witnessed a strong start to 2016-17, Evertonians are just anxious for the team to get on the field to see what's next now that the distraction of the transfer window is out the way.
Regardless, thanks to broadcast scheduling by Sky Sports, Blues fans have an extra two days to wait for a Monday night kick-off in Sunderland to face another former boss in the shape of David Moyes. Like Ronald Koeman, the Scot will be in charge of his fourth Premier League fixture at his new club but there is quite a contrast in the outlooks of the respective managers for the campaign.
Moyes was in a mode very familiar to Everton supporters the other week when he openly admitted that Sunderland were facing another battle against relegation this season. Koeman, meanwhile, was talking in terms of Europe at his pre-match press conference on Thursday.
The lack of Champions League football has been cited as a significant factor in the challenge the Blues faced over the summer in trying to attract top talent to Goodison Park and with the strength of the Premier League's established four power-houses — the two Manchester clubs, Arsenal and Chelsea — having been largely backed up by their own performance in the transfer market and early results this season, a top-four finish might be a tall order again this time around.
Still, as Leicester (no one should count out their top-four prospects either) proved last season, anything is possible and Everton are currently quoted at around 7/1 to finish in the Champions League places come May. You can get 100/1 on the Blues pulling off the same feat as the Foxes and winning the title! My Betting Bonus has an array of promotions if you fancy a flutter on Everton's chances, either on Monday's game or the season as a whole, but a return to the Europa League would be a great first step and there will be confidence in the Finch Farm camp that that is a more than realistic aim.
“I had the same experience at Southampton,” Koeman told the media on Thursday with regard to the difficulty in attracting the best players without having the carrot of Champions League footnball. “You like to show to [the players] that they can develop, that the club is growing and it likes to win titles. That's not done in one year, that needs time.
“It's all up to this season, how we perform because if we reach Europe, which is our challenge, then it'll be easier to get these kinds of players.”
With Koeman's and Steve Walsh's first-choice targets of striking support for Romelu Lukaku proving beyond reach, the onus for firing the Blues into Europe will fall on the shoulders of the Belgian and new loan signing Enner Valencia. The Ecuadorian arrives at Goodison with the chance to relaunch a career that had stalled at West Ham two years after he arrived in East London fresh from his goalscoring exploits at the World Cup in Brazil.
It's an opportunity that Slaven Bilic has admitted could be good for all parties and Koeman certainly feels that the 26-year-old can provide much-needed competition and versatility to his forward line.
“He will bring that competition that all players need,” the Dutchman said in the Liverpool Echo. “He has pace, he's physical, he can play in different positions across the front, and he can press.”
Lukaku will continue to be the main man, though, and he will take to the field at the Stadium of Light looking to end an uncharacteristic run of 13 league games without a goal.
The player himself said recently that he fully expects the goals to flow now that he is getting back to 100% fitness after his protracted break following Euro2016 and both club staff and fans alike will be hoping that the brace he scored for Belgium this past week can be the catalyst that reignites his club form. He is 4/1 to score either the first or last goal on Monday and 13/10 to score any time.
“I expect a lot from [Romelu] because he's a very good player,” Koeman explained yesterday. “He's still 23 and he knows that he can improve and that he needs to develop himself.
“The technical staff is support for the boy to make him a better player and, of course, he's an important player because he's normally the top scorer in the team.
”I hope he will score next [goal] next Monday. Strikers need goals to have total confidence but don't forget he had a difficult pre-season. He came in late and I think he is now close to his best [levels] to perform.”
While Koeman's forward line already has a settled look to it, with Kevin Mirallas, Yannick Bolasie and Ross Barkley rounding out the likely starters in that area of the pitch, the manager has his first selection headaches in defence now that Ashley Williams is fully fit and Seamus Coleman is available again.
The duo captained their respective nations in World Cup qualifying this past week and are strong candidates to be in the Blues' starting XI against Sunderland but Mason Holgate's form in the Irishman's absence means that Koeman faces a very difficult decision when it comes to the right fullback/wingback position.
There were some question marks over whether Coleman was rushed back into action by Martin O'Neill for the match in Serbia last Monday but Koeman has confirmed that he is fit to start. It remains to be seen whether Holgate is demoted despite his impressive displays thus far or whether the boss accommodates him in a three-man defence.
Sunderland may have begun 2016-17 with just one point from their first three games but with the benefit of a fortnight's break, Moyes will have had more time to instill in his new charges his defensive ethos and his plans to make the Black Cats difficult to beat.
As such, he will plan to make life as difficult for the Blues as possible and it could be a contest that shapes up in a similar way to the game at West Brom three weeks ago, with the home side happy to cede possession and daring Everton to break them down while hoping to cause problems of their own at set-pieces, as they did under Sam Allardyce in Martinez's last match in May.
In ex-Evertonians like Jack Rodwell and the talented, but ageing, Steven Pienaar, plus Adnan Januzaj and Duncan Watmore, Sunderland do have players in their ranks who can cause Koeman's side problems but in the absence of the injured Fabio Borini and the removal from the equation of the inevitable goal against his former team from Victor Anichebe, it's veteran Jermaine Defoe who will pose the biggest threat.
Able to conjure a goal from very little, the 33-year-old was the Black Cats' top scorer last season and leads their team again with two already for the season. Preventing service to him will hopefully be uppermost in the minds of the Everton coaching staff in preparation for this one but there will be confidence in the likes of Phil Jagielka and Williams that he can be effectively shackled on the night.
Though the table means very little at this early stage of the season, the confidence that comes from winning games and being among the pace-setters can be a big boost, particularly if the Blues can pick up another win and capitalise on the points that will inevitably be dropped in tomorrow's Manchester derby.
A victory would also demonstrate that Everton are making the most of a relatively favourable run of league fixtures, something they repeatedly failed to do in each of the last two seasons. Tougher challenges loom, particularly at the start of October and November and for much of December but for now the key will be to keep grinding out results.
Kick-off: Monday, 8pm
Referee: Mike Jones
Last time: Sunderland 3 - 0 Everton
Predicted Line-up: Stekelenburg, Holgate, Jagielka, Williams, Baines, Gueye, Barry, Barkley, Mirallas, Bolasie, Lukaku
Full details: ToffeeWeb match page
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1 Posted 09/09/2016 at 20:00:00
2 Posted 09/09/2016 at 20:21:53
"... Evertonians are just anxious for the team to get on the field to see what's next now..."
I so love this weird feeling of 'anticipation' that has infected me this season. I'm no longer begging for blessed mediocrity to replace our old avoiding-relegation-struggles, I'm expecting(!) progression from my team. I'm not 'hoping they feel inspired' to progress, I'm expecting it!
3 Posted 09/09/2016 at 20:23:21
And yep to that line up!
4 Posted 09/09/2016 at 20:28:53
I expect a tough game. Sunderland won't be an easy place to go and get points under Moyes I wouldn't imagine. Need to keep Defoe quiet and we'll do well.
Still expect us to win this one though but we need to get at them right from the off, none of this skipping the first half and only putting in an effort when we got 1 or 2 down.
5 Posted 09/09/2016 at 20:45:38
6 Posted 09/09/2016 at 20:54:12
Moyes left fuming as Ronald Koeman says "I was a better player than you and I'm going to bring more trophies to Goodison than you ever did". I'm slightly over-excited. 0-4 Lukaku brace. I see an easy win and top of the table in 3 games time.
7 Posted 09/09/2016 at 20:57:31
He missed the last two Euros and World cup. Treated shabbily by the two England managers before Fat Sam.
Definitely needs marking carefully.
Moyesie will make sure they're up for it. Everton to win though 3-1.
8 Posted 09/09/2016 at 20:57:44
9 Posted 09/09/2016 at 21:02:57
10 Posted 09/09/2016 at 21:18:03
Holgate Williams Funes Mori Baines
Deulofeu Barkley Bolasie
Coleman off the bench...
Or a 3-4-2-1
Williams Jagielka Funes Mori
Coleman Idrissa Barry Baines
Funes Mori suits three at the back, I'd be tempted to drop Jags to the bench and start Holgate, moving Williams to the middle. But that's not likely.
11 Posted 09/09/2016 at 21:28:18
12 Posted 09/09/2016 at 21:37:41
13 Posted 09/09/2016 at 21:53:49
14 Posted 09/09/2016 at 22:20:38
15 Posted 09/09/2016 at 22:29:54
16 Posted 09/09/2016 at 22:30:33
17 Posted 09/09/2016 at 22:45:21
18 Posted 09/09/2016 at 22:48:59
Not sure why the twat hates us so much, we made him a multi-millionaire, built up his reputation and helped get him his dream job, wasn't our fault he fucked it up, twat.
19 Posted 09/09/2016 at 22:50:23
It could backfire on him if the Black Cats take his comments seriously and play like they believe him but I think they will give us a game to prove him wrong, therefore a win is not guaranteed by any means.
20 Posted 09/09/2016 at 22:59:56
Long drive up to, and back from, Sunderland on Monday. Hope it's worth it.
21 Posted 09/09/2016 at 23:28:25
The sentimental old fool in me feels sorry for Rodwell and Pienaar, but I hope we bang a few nails into Moyes's coffin with a good win up there.
22 Posted 09/09/2016 at 23:33:29
I would absolutely have taken him when he went to Sunderland, and I still would. I think hes a great player, and bizarrely on someone who relies on a bit of pace, hasn't dropped off into his early thirties. Which either shows great professionalism with regards to his fitness, or very good movement and positioning, I think hes a great player and echo the earlier thoughts of him being still worthy of an England call up... for what that's worth...
23 Posted 09/09/2016 at 23:34:40
4-0 to us.
24 Posted 09/09/2016 at 23:46:37
The defence will have to be on its toes – Defoe and Watmore are sharp.
But when you look at that line-up of Lyndon's and the bench it looks to me that once again we have got just too much fire power for them.
25 Posted 09/09/2016 at 23:48:55
26 Posted 09/09/2016 at 00:00:23
Everton to win one-nil with Lukaku the scorer.
27 Posted 09/09/2016 at 00:05:47
Go away and check your facts. That we made Moyes a multi-millionaire. Yes, we did. But how much did he make for Everton FC. The answer is 100's of millions. And when he left us the valuation of the players for insurance purposes was nearly £200 million. Also from 2003 to 2013 pound for point he was the best manager in the Premier League. Those are the Premier League's figures and not mine.
Again, when he left us, he handed over a top 6 team that was in Europe and had finished above Liverpool for the 2nd consecutive season, for the first time since 1937. You should be having a pop at Martinez who destroyed everything that Moyes built and was possibly the worst manager in the history of our great club.
So, Kevin, the next time you want to slag Moyes off remember this: in his last 8 seasons he finished in the top 6 on a a net spend of £800k.
28 Posted 10/09/2016 at 02:40:55
29 Posted 10/09/2016 at 06:51:54
30 Posted 10/09/2016 at 07:53:22
31 Posted 10/09/2016 at 09:49:47
I should imagine this will be a close battle with them difficult to break down and us still a little cagey on set pieces.
Obviously I'm praying it all starts to come together and Lukaku nails them with 2.
32 Posted 10/09/2016 at 09:53:44
One thought about Niasse. If Championship teams can still take loan players(?) ... would it not be good to get him playing somewhere / anywhere?
33 Posted 10/09/2016 at 11:37:04
34 Posted 10/09/2016 at 11:39:06
It would be to everyone's advantage if he went... but I am not convinced that he could cope in the Championship.
35 Posted 10/09/2016 at 12:35:29
"Unlike last season I'm looking forward to games again."
Exactly how I feel. Looking forward to this one. I think we'll win.
36 Posted 10/09/2016 at 12:58:44
I mean come on. For £13 million (plus salary etc...) there must be something positive in all of this.
I spent some time re-watching the YouTube clips and the impression of Bambi on Ice kept coming to mind. But seriously, he did seem to have the uncanny knack of bamboozling people in his immediate vicinity, including players on his own team; just when they were expecting a return pass, suddenly it is a miss-kick and a richochet and in the back of the net!
I think a loan is a great idea.
38 Posted 10/09/2016 at 13:42:58
39 Posted 10/09/2016 at 13:57:07
40 Posted 10/09/2016 at 14:34:43
41 Posted 10/09/2016 at 14:56:17
42 Posted 10/09/2016 at 15:24:01
Obviously we paid a ridiculous fee for him, he didn't make the price and I wish we hadn't signed him but he is here now for the foreseeable future so let's make the most of a poor deal. The people who brought him here need castigating a lot more than Niasse.
43 Posted 10/09/2016 at 15:46:00
I'm not sure about him having a bad attitude, as some are saying on here, but we've seen enough of him to know he has no technique. Against Jablonec he stood on the ball and fell over while shooting I don't think I've seen a pro do that before.
Agree that the blame isn't with him, but I wouldn't be bothering trying to make anything of him. No loan, either sell him or give him away.
44 Posted 10/09/2016 at 16:59:12
47 Posted 10/09/2016 at 17:47:40
49 Posted 10/09/2016 at 19:47:18
The misguided appointment of Roberto Martinez only served to show how right Moyes was for our club and those who forever focus on the manner of his leaving may well look a little more kindly on him after the news of the pay-off afforded his successor!
But Dour Davey is no longer ours so I hope that our present manager (OPM, anybody?) beats him 6-0 on Monday and thus the spell he held over me will be exorcised for ever.
50 Posted 10/09/2016 at 20:05:29
51 Posted 10/09/2016 at 20:46:47
I would even prefer Valencia before Lukaku to start the game, but Lukaku should stay on the bench to learn some manners.
52 Posted 10/09/2016 at 22:00:03
Spurs could have ran out winners only for Stekelenburg... and Stoke should have pinched an equaliser when Arnautovic misplaced a pass... but, that said, they didn't. As for the West Brom game, we should have scored 4 in the end but obviously made it tough for ourselves.
No, I'm expecting a tough game on Monday and personally think a draw... But obviously I hope it is 3-1 or 4-1. One thing's certain: we won't play as bad as the last time we played there... I hope!
53 Posted 10/09/2016 at 22:09:30
54 Posted 10/09/2016 at 22:10:37
55 Posted 10/09/2016 at 22:19:54
56 Posted 10/09/2016 at 23:23:23
Hope you're right, Andrew, but right now, knowing footy the way I do, I just hope that statement isn't filed under the FAMOUS LAST WORDS file.
57 Posted 10/09/2016 at 23:29:36
58 Posted 10/09/2016 at 23:45:33
59 Posted 10/09/2016 at 23:56:16
60 Posted 10/09/2016 at 23:56:58
I see it as somewhat of a defining moment in their progress under Koeman which has been slow but nonetheless there to see.
They have too much talent to be upset by this bunch of rejects and, as I said, only stupidity would cost them
61 Posted 11/09/2016 at 01:17:17
More venom in your comments towards Moyes than the sum total of any reported or rumoured "dissing" of Everton from Moyes. Guess he and Rom must have run over your dog or cat somewhere in the past.
He was our manager. He is not our manager any longer. His contract ran down and he left. The club was in good shape when he did leave, having increased its points total in his last season over the season before.
He held onto a player they needed at Sunderland who was under contract. He didn't say anything about Everton that was disrespectful in doing so.
Blow up dolls and other such nonsense aside. LET IT GO, MAN!
62 Posted 11/09/2016 at 01:24:28
Won't stop me from getting up at 1:30 to watch it though.
63 Posted 11/09/2016 at 01:38:51
His actions and words after that towards our club were disgraceful, and btw that is well documented. If you want to suck his arse, go ahead, the man's a first class prick imho.
64 Posted 11/09/2016 at 03:02:48
I have all day long for your comments Jim, fellow 'Merican. Your insights cut to the chase, and frankly I actually get a bit "proud" of you when you post as it's very, very nice to see an American with an excellent knowledge of footy. Flies in the face of a silent stereotype of us Americans... ;0) We clearly know nothing about the game of soccer Jim!
Whereas I personally thought Tim Howard should move on, your defense of him on these pages last Spring made more sense than many sensationalist contributors would "allow".
But this Moysie thing...
David Moyes should be thought of favorably by Evertonians in my opinion... IF ONLY
He was a solid manager, although none too flashy. He did the Club well, and when he moved on it was time to do so.
But he tarnished his "legacy" with his attitude when he ascended to the summit of the football manager world at Man Utd. His condescending and arrogant comments about Everton and especially the way he handled the Fellaini / Baines offers and dealings ruined for me all the warmth and love he should be remembered by.
He got really cocky and condescending. And God / Buddah / Deity Almighty gave him one hell of a humility lesson in the end.
One he deserved. And one Evertonians are right to smugly enjoy.
Leave a Club with class, and don't shit on the doormat on the way out. If you do, you won't be welcome back.
It's natural, and justified, to harbor some resentment towards the man.
I think you can appreciate this... Roger Clemens joins the Yankees... Brett Favre joins the Vikings,... David Moyes talks utter shit and thumbs his nose at Everton after twelve years...
It just doesn't sit well. Like a burrito with a shit ton of hot sauce tastes good while eating, but ends bad.
I blame no one for not letting it go. I blame no one for harboring resentment and near hatred for the way he left.
Surely you can understand this resentment?
65 Posted 11/09/2016 at 04:28:30
It's a real hoot watching people blow up at others regarding their OPINION of Moyes.
66 Posted 11/09/2016 at 04:57:45
But then he peaced out with zero class and burned them bridges and now I want Rock Hard Ron to bring him to painful DUTCH JUSTICE!
67 Posted 11/09/2016 at 05:25:18
Asked on Friday if he had sympathy for Martinez, Moyes said: ‘I definitely do. But I also know that if I was the Everton manager and Sir Alex had come asking for Baines and Fellaini, I would have found it very difficult to keep them. 'I always felt the right thing to do was what was right for the players. ‘All we can do is our job here. Roberto is in a new job and I am sure he will get to understand how Everton work. I know exactly how Everton work. I signed every player at Everton. ‘I respect Everton greatly and I dont want to do anything that would in turn affect them. ‘Of course, taking their players would affect them but I am certainly only doing what I have to do in my job. The bid was probably, from our point of view, a private thing and I guess when we make a new offer we will keep that confidential as well, he said. ‘I speak to (Everton chairman) Bill Kenwright most weeks. I get on with him. So there is no disrespect. This is just a case of making an offer. ‘The transfer window is open and you can say yes or no, its as simple as that.
'I always felt the right thing to do was what was right for the players.
‘All we can do is our job here. Roberto is in a new job and I am sure he will get to understand how Everton work. I know exactly how Everton work. I signed every player at Everton.
‘I respect Everton greatly and I dont want to do anything that would in turn affect them.
‘Of course, taking their players would affect them but I am certainly only doing what I have to do in my job.
The bid was probably, from our point of view, a private thing and I guess when we make a new offer we will keep that confidential as well, he said.
‘I speak to (Everton chairman) Bill Kenwright most weeks. I get on with him. So there is no disrespect. This is just a case of making an offer.
‘The transfer window is open and you can say yes or no, its as simple as that.
No, I've never understood the vitriol towards him. He was the Man Utd manager trying to snare a bargain for Man Utd, on the back of his understanding of his former employer.
During his time with us he achieved progress for a few years then went stale. I wanted him out and didn't like the farewell he was afforded. It felt small time. But once he's gone, he's gone. I'd assess his time with us as a relative success, and his time after us as an irrelevance.
68 Posted 11/09/2016 at 07:26:06
Two-faced classless overrated nobody who has been found out big time since he left the comfort of no pressure to perform with us.
69 Posted 11/09/2016 at 12:37:41
When he said - I am sure he will get to understand how Everton work.
That particular part of the comment was the real dig. It was condescending and arrogant as hell and showed no class whatsoever. It was like, "I've moved on to better things, but I'm sure Mr. Bobby Brown Shoes will figure out how things work at that 'not as well endowed' Club soon enough."
Total and complete dick comment and to not recognize it as a total jackass comment is either disingenuous or ... well I'm trying to think of a word Ernie and nothing springs to mind that wouldn't ruffle feathers and you're not the person who deserves any ruffling so... you get the point.
71 Posted 11/09/2016 at 12:45:17
People will say what they want you to hear. When Moyes was manager of Everton he fought tooth and nail to keep Lescott from going to City. IMO, he did not give a fuck about what Lescott wanted, so your comment where Moyes states "I always felt the right thing to do was what was right for the players" looks a bit loose to me.
Going forward, Moyes did not want Kone to come to Goodison and with him being the manager of Sunderland, well, that was his decision. So do you think that Moyes gave a second thought as to what Kone wanted??
Personally, I felt that Moyes handled his move to United with all the dignity of a total twat and if you are told by all and sundry that you are good, as Moyes was, then I suppose you start believing it yourself. Well, Moyes found out that he was really just bang average.
We have the players to beat Sunderland and Moyes knows it, so let's go up there and do it.
72 Posted 11/09/2016 at 12:45:29
Moyes is a strange character! I, like you, knew no other.
It's like your father, when you turn 12, starts flicking cigarette butts at you and leaves your Mom to go fuck the neighbor.
But the 12 years prior he actually did good by you...
Well, I'm with the Jersey style of retribution - Rock Hard Ron is gonna implement Dutch justice and I'm going to love every second of it. I'd like us to thrash these fuckers 7-0 and laugh at Heat-Mizer-Gingy-fucked-up-accent-former-manager with evil satisfaction and spiteful enjoyment!
Talk shit on your way out the door... classless douche.
73 Posted 11/09/2016 at 16:38:43
74 Posted 11/09/2016 at 18:15:26
Then he comes back within a month or so of being applauded by the fans, and insults our club, by doing exactly what he criticised Man City for doing over Lescott. Self-serving tool who has been embarrassed at OT and in Spain. Hope we snot them and the fans turn on him.
75 Posted 11/09/2016 at 19:12:55
76 Posted 11/09/2016 at 19:16:25
77 Posted 11/09/2016 at 19:38:03
1-4 to The Mighty Blues with a post match comment from DM along the lines of 'knife to a gunfight' against the big boys.
(Currently having my pre-match meal and hydrating at the airport.)
78 Posted 11/09/2016 at 19:45:50
79 Posted 11/09/2016 at 20:11:32
Some people like him and respect him for the job he done at Everton, and it's fair to say his net spend over his tenure was very good and kept Kenwright at the helm. BUT, that was always my problem, with Moyes and his relationship with the chairman. (He kept him sweet, got rewarded, and had way to much power for such an ordinary manager).
Moyes, the cheeky bastard, said I know how Everton, work? He only ever worked for one Chairman, during his time at Everton, so surely his comment should have been more personal, and directed at Kenwright rather than Everton Football Club.
Let's face it, no way would any manager ever have been allowed 11 years in the job at Everton without getting us a few cups, before Kenwright came along. Fucking no chance... None whatsoever.
80 Posted 11/09/2016 at 20:33:45
Time to put an end to years of negativity, time to look forward and start believing that the good times are on the way back.
81 Posted 11/09/2016 at 20:45:43
82 Posted 11/09/2016 at 21:11:26
83 Posted 11/09/2016 at 21:16:39
Hope I am not coming over as negative but you can't take anything for granted in this Premier League.
84 Posted 11/09/2016 at 21:31:28
85 Posted 11/09/2016 at 22:10:18
We need players hungry to keep and to get back their place in the starting 11. It all points to an on-form starting 11 and a chomping-at-the-bit bench.
86 Posted 11/09/2016 at 22:19:32
87 Posted 11/09/2016 at 22:30:31
They will play defensive and hope Defoe can poach a goal given half a chance.
There's no easy away games, especially with home town refs.
88 Posted 11/09/2016 at 23:04:16
As for the match I think it will be a hard fought victory by the odd goal with Rom to bag a brace. 2 - 1 Everton.
On the Moyes issue my own personal opinion is he did a fantastic professional job while at Everton on very limited resources. He gave us 10 years and left us for the biggest job in world football at the time.
89 Posted 11/09/2016 at 23:12:35
Fellow Blues would be welcome after my delayed Aer L flight.
Just arrived at hotel.
Several rs on the plane - must be a connecting flight to Oslo.
90 Posted 11/09/2016 at 23:50:13
However, this also means we've got a disproportionate number of Evertonians over here too when compared to say Spurs or even Arsenal. RS and Utd make up about 40% and 30% of football fans respectively. (Figures pulled directly out of My Arse)
From my estimations the order of most supported clubs in Dublin would be,
2) Man U
3) Villa, Everton, Arsenal
4) The Rest
Anyway call into the Mercantile and ask for me by all means, I'll happily introduce you to the gang and get you talking about all things Everton. Lots of the members are regular match going season ticket holders that take a Ryanair flight every other week.
We are the best fans in the world - all over the world.
91 Posted 12/09/2016 at 00:15:37
92 Posted 12/09/2016 at 00:16:12
93 Posted 12/09/2016 at 00:38:07
We have fans that go way back to the days of Tommy Eglington and the likes that were huge stars both here and in England. Actually I forgot to mention Leeds. They have a solid fan base here.
Dubliners overwhelmingly follow Northern teams. In part due to family connections. Giving myself as a primary example, my Dads from Scotland road and all my family on his side live in the Norris Green / Croxteth area to this day. Going to the match and to see my family has always been a case of two birds with one stone.
Those without family ties usually followed the teams that were winning titles, which for large swathes of the last 50 years has been RS & Utd.
Ireland is full of Glory hunters. Fair weather fans who really couldn't care less either way. If I ask someone who they support and they say either of those two teams, I immediately discredit them and talk about something else.
Oh and by the way, most Taxi Drivers in Dublin are Nigerian and they, to a man, support Arsenal. Go figure.
94 Posted 12/09/2016 at 00:49:11
95 Posted 12/09/2016 at 01:13:49
96 Posted 12/09/2016 at 01:28:34
Plenty of reds here are due to Kewell or Johnston just as many blues are due to Cahill. The thing is, you come across plenty of supporters who couldn't tell you much about their club or who they are playing that weekend, but the Evertonians are different.
I remember meeting a young lad who loved talking with me about our history. Aussie born and barely out of his teens and he knew the lot. I had a good Singaporean friend who was one of the most obsessed blues I ever met.
Don't think I've ever met a 'casual follower' Evertonian.
97 Posted 12/09/2016 at 01:44:56
98 Posted 12/09/2016 at 02:02:51
The idea that the egg marketing board chose a character so rude, miserable and bad-tempered to present their product is an indication of how well-loved he was.
Anyway at exactly 8 mins 36 secs, you clearly see a rather intriguing Everton-related headline on the back of a newspaper.
Question - anyone know what the headline is referring to?
At 8.36 - Link
99 Posted 12/09/2016 at 03:40:03
The fact the paper was ripped, then popped up whole again with that headline... does that have any symbolic meaning?
Someone needs to enlighten those of us adoptees who clearly don't know their 'istory well enough...
100 Posted 12/09/2016 at 03:40:56
Unless they were all on the piss in Spain in the summer of 65, the only connection I can see is the away game Vs R. Zaragoza in the ECWC in Nov 66.I seem to remember it was all a bit dodgey over there with Reffs and other carryings on.
101 Posted 12/09/2016 at 04:20:47
Morrissey sent off during a mass brawl. I reckon that would qualify as uproar.
102 Posted 12/09/2016 at 04:46:26
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104 Posted 12/09/2016 at 06:46:33
Most probable score: 1-1 Probability of draw: 27.9%
Probability of home win: 40.8% Probability of away win: 31.4%
SAM (Sports Analytics Machine) is a super-computer created by @ProfIanMcHale at the University of Salford that is used to predict the outcome of football matches.
105 Posted 12/09/2016 at 06:48:50
I actually read that about six hours ago, but have only just stopped laughing long enough to type it out (I'm probably going to be like Mr Burns pissing himself for an entire month after he remembered mangling a fairground workers leg with a dodgem car when he was a kid).
Pretty sure he also mumbled something about the Ark Of The Covenant being in a museum at this very moment if he'd been given the chance to go after it instead of Indiana Jones, but I'd kind of lost interest by then.
106 Posted 12/09/2016 at 08:46:08
I actually enjoyed the last season that Moyes was in-charge, and we were definitely getting better, but for someone to make such a comment is usually because they are full of their own importance.
The fact was the squad never really had enough depth, and for a team that was getting closer, then to spend the Lescott money the way he did, shows you how the conversations in the mirror must go when he's home alone, with just him and his ego!
107 Posted 12/09/2016 at 08:53:03
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109 Posted 12/09/2016 at 09:15:23
What I do find interesting is the mix of players and the managers that bought them, especially with my own predicted line-up..
Stekelenburg, Williams, Gueye, Bolasie = Koeman
Barry, Lukaku = Martinez
Coleman, Baines, Jagielka, Mirallas, Barkley = Moyes
Me thinks that tells a story!
110 Posted 12/09/2016 at 09:26:11
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112 Posted 12/09/2016 at 09:35:48
Surely there is something horribly wrong with those percentages if the most like result is a draw?
Mathematicians and data analysts step forward.
113 Posted 12/09/2016 at 09:53:00
Fully support the clubs stance on that; there's no way they should be paying for that.
114 Posted 12/09/2016 at 09:54:33
Come on fella. Don't believe everything you read.
115 Posted 12/09/2016 at 10:38:54
At least Rom tweeted that it was BS and so he dealt with it well.
116 Posted 12/09/2016 at 10:57:34
Need to get the glass half-full again, starting with payback tonight.
117 Posted 12/09/2016 at 11:05:15
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121 Posted 12/09/2016 at 12:11:24
It sounds like his initial big break came about because his Sengalese team mate Ibrahima Sonko told his Turkish club manager to take a chance on him and he paid for this flight himself.
No doubt the lad had amazing pace when younger and that can help you score lots of goals against poor defenders but it sounds the lad has managed to fool a lot of people to big money moves and it sounds like Loko Moscow got him voted best player in Russia to help secure a big move away.
Whilst some might feel sorry for the guy as it sounds he's been found out to be a bit of a fraud or maybe has some other problems, the fact remains that he seems happy to stay and take a large salary as this is probably his nest egg for life.
Sounds like his brother Baye Ibrahima Niasse also has a hard time settling down into a club if you google him.
122 Posted 12/09/2016 at 12:51:15
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124 Posted 12/09/2016 at 13:25:06
From 23:45, a very enjoyable interview with Joe Royle - Link
As ever, Joe is engaging, informative, articulate and intelligent.
And him talking about Alan Ball just reinforces why Ball is (still) my all-time Everton hero.
(What I wouldn't give now for a player who could be described as 'the worst loser ever'.)
125 Posted 12/09/2016 at 13:37:07
They're uninspired by Moyes; think their transfer dealings are shoddy and believe their owner is ripping them off.
Hopefully three points to us will make them even more depressed.
126 Posted 12/09/2016 at 13:49:02
I agree with many others, Holgate should stay; remember when Baines came straight back in from injury against Man Utd and we were a complete defensive shambles because he was not 100%? The old adage 'If it is not broke, don't fix (or fiddle) with it" comes to mind.
We could play Davies or Colman in McCarthy's position. I would also bring Bolasie on in the last 40 minutes when Sunderland's defenders are very tired and it would give us more chance of fast incisive play with increased chances of a penalty.
127 Posted 12/09/2016 at 13:58:31
It could be that the computer (SAM) gave a percentage to all the possible scores and the most likely score was 1 - 1. "Why then is the probability of a home win greater than this?" I hear you ask.
Here's an example. Let's say the computer predicts that it will be any one of these scores (and no others):
Then the probability of a home win is 47%, draw 38%, away win 15%. The most likely score though is 1-1 at 28%.
[If you're still reading this post, you are as sad as me.]
128 Posted 12/09/2016 at 14:08:29
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130 Posted 12/09/2016 at 15:12:13
I was in Tom McCardle's, a club in Temple Court off Dale Street. Bally was having a good craike with a gang of supporters, Reds and Blues, one of the red fans said to Alan "Smithie will have you in his pocket on Saturday." The derby game was that weekend. Alan turned round and pointed to his arse and said. "That's all Smithie will see of me on Saturday." That's all he did see as well.
131 Posted 12/09/2016 at 15:24:45
Coincidentally, that's my main problem with God, she seems to think she's Alan Ball!
132 Posted 12/09/2016 at 15:27:17
The Belgian FA should pay it, I would have thought.
133 Posted 12/09/2016 at 15:30:27
134 Posted 12/09/2016 at 15:33:34
Apparently it is reported that a private jet was hired to bring the Belgian players based in Manchester and Liverpool. Everton refused to pay while the other clubs paid the £6,500 for their players.
135 Posted 12/09/2016 at 16:15:55
136 Posted 12/09/2016 at 19:12:05