Ronald Koeman says that he has spoken with Ross Barkley this week to discuss the reasons for his early substitution against Sunderland, reiterating that it was a decision made just for that game and that the 22-year-old is still learning.
Barkley was withdrawn at half-time at the Stadium of Light with the scores goalless after a poor first 45 minutes from the team as a whole but the midfielder himself personally, a decision that came in the wake of his surprise omission from the England squad during the last international break.
Barkley enjoyed arguably his best spell as an Everton player in the first half of last season but has struggled for form since the team's fortunes nose-dived earlier this year under Roberto Martinez.
The Catalan's successor has shown himself so far to be a more exacting and demanding manager who is not afraid to make tough personnel decisions to change matches and, just as was the case at West Brom where he withdrew James McCarthy after just 38 minutes, he elected to hook Barkley against Sunderland and was vindicated by a better performance from the side after half time.
The manager was quizzed about Barkley's situation during his pre-match press conference at Finch Farm today ahead of the match against Middlesbrough this weekend and he remained pragmatic about the situation, again highlighting the fact that it was just one game.
“There was a reason to change Ross at half time because he didn't play well,” Koeman explained again. “He lost many balls and players of that quality can't lose those kinds of balls.
“But we always analyse the game and I had interval talks with Ross and I told him that he needs to improve and we'll see at the weekend.
“In my opinion [his omission from the England squad] is in the past, what counts is what happens now. I've said before that you get game time for your national team when you play at a good level at your club.
“What happened last Monday was one game. I spoke to him and he understands because we showed the clips and then there's no escape.”
Koeman was asked whether he felt Barkley's troubled stemmed from him perhaps trying too hard but the Dutchman suggested that it was more likely a case of him still making the transition from the former regime under Martinez where he fewer defensive responsibilities.
“I think it's more the way we (Everton) used to play because the player himself is strong enough to do better pressing, although that's not only for Ross in particular because it's also the case for some of the other players up front.
“You look to his qualities and he needs to be be the key player between the midfielder and the strikers. It's that position in the midfield to create but also, defensively, you need to be part of the team. He can and needs to improve in all aspects but he's still a young player.”
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1 Posted 15/09/2016 at 16:40:38
Not that I'm writing Barry off as he's been excellent for us but because of his age I'm sure Koeman will be looking at his long-term replacement and Barkley has always said he feels his best position is as a box-to-box midfielder.
2 Posted 15/09/2016 at 17:14:15
This is another totally honest and very direct interview, touching on many interesting issues, which again reassures me we are in very fine hands with RK.
3 Posted 15/09/2016 at 17:18:06
4 Posted 15/09/2016 at 17:20:27
7 Posted 15/09/2016 at 17:30:07
I think Barkley believes he's the finished article and doesn't need to work that hard. He should take a look at players like Ronaldo or Messi and see just how much work they put in, week-in & week-out, and they pretty much are the finished article.
8 Posted 15/09/2016 at 17:32:47
He's a supporting forward, or he helps out around Finch Farm one or the other (because he wouldn't affect games as a sub either).
"Now, Ros,s this is YOUR mop â€“ we use this on the tiled floors!"
9 Posted 15/09/2016 at 17:43:02
The forward position is bad for him at the moment because he will give goals away against the good counter attacking sides. He'll never be a defensive midfielder because his tackling and closing down are weak and I can't see him as a wide midfielder so his options are limited.
Barry is going to be a real problem to replace.
10 Posted 15/09/2016 at 17:48:04
11 Posted 15/09/2016 at 17:50:51
12 Posted 15/09/2016 at 17:52:21
13 Posted 15/09/2016 at 17:54:40
14 Posted 15/09/2016 at 17:57:29
15 Posted 15/09/2016 at 18:08:04
Koeman has the credentials as a player and manager to brook no argument regarding what's required in any position on the field. The sooner impressionable young players realise that they should prosper, if they have innate talent.
Ross in my opinion is impressionable, to put it mildly. Martinez, and maybe others, blowing smoke up his arse for three crucial years of so-called development did him no favours at all but the man, cos that's what he now is, needs to get on with it, tackle like he means it in addition to his creative input, or watch his career get overtaken by others in the club and the country. Right now he's way off being good, never mind great, and that's sad.
16 Posted 15/09/2016 at 18:15:59
if you read the manager's comments
What happened last Monday was one game
I think it's more the way we (Everton) used to play because the player himself is strong enough to do better pressing, although that's not only for Ross in particular because it's also the case for some of the other players up front.
And for balance -
because we showed the clips and then there's no
But hey lets just beat him round the head, after all we support them (don't we?)
17 Posted 15/09/2016 at 18:22:42
I genuinely think Ross will blossom given the right leadership. He's not really an 'intelligent' player. You could see how he reacted coming off the pitch at Wembley in the semi-final. He is paranoid, like a frightened rabbit; and he's only 22 years of age. He plays intuitively and to get the best out of him he needs to be coached with a firm hand. Basically, to be told what to do, by someone he respects, or is frightened of, or both!
Enter Mr Koeman. He'll bring Ross around, and after all, Ross is one of the family, not some mercenary passing through, and we need to stick by our own.
Come on Ross, you can do it.
18 Posted 15/09/2016 at 18:40:17
Football in its purist form is simple; don't give the ball away; when you've got it, attack; when you haven't, organise defensively and fight for it back! With all due respect to footballers, do what Clough did, make it simple for them, give instructions in as few words as possible and the same when explaining decisions. Big Ron (not from the Swan) is looking very promising indeed.
19 Posted 15/09/2016 at 18:41:59
It's really a question of getting Ross to do everything naturally and not having to pause and think about what he should be doing and thus wasting the ball or not reacting quickly enough to the situation around him.
Perhaps, coming through the ranks Ross has found it all too easy in his early years and he hasn't been tested outside of the heat of the Premier League. Perhaps he is expecting too much from himself and he feels like a failure and therefore his confidence is shot.
Ross should take a leaf out of Gueye's or Davies's book and just keep doing the simple things in a game, pass it to a colleague and move in to a position to receive the ball back and then if there is a killer pass to be made, just go for it.
Some players just can't tackle and Ross is one such player, but he can chase and harry his opponents which will buy time for others in the team to win the ball back. I still think that there is a very good player to be seen with Ross, but not quite the stand out player we all thought he might be, but if he can turn his fortunes round out on the pitch, in the next few months, he will make a fine Everton FC player for years to come.
20 Posted 15/09/2016 at 18:42:55
With a number of players competing for the front four positions RK will use that to pull the one or two that are not at it in particular games. RK is still not happy with the fitness levels and group pressing which he wants to be more aggressive. Ross will benefit greatly from this...
I expect him to be back in Saturday and Mirallas sitting in the bench â€“ obviously depending what RK sees in training this week.
21 Posted 15/09/2016 at 18:45:11
"He's not really an intelligent player."
You're dead right, Peter, he plays instinctively, and sometimes that results in amazing shows of skill.
Unfortunately the ability to play a certain pass at a certain time requires a certain level of intelligence which I fear Ross doesn't seem to have in abundance. That fact was highlighted by one of his former coaches, who mentioned that he feared what Ross lacked couldn't be coached. I hope he was wrong coz I love the lad and want him to be a worldbeater.
22 Posted 15/09/2016 at 18:52:24
23 Posted 15/09/2016 at 18:53:17
We needed a quality playmaker in the summer which never materialised, hopefully we can get one in over the next window if not then the summer. Ross would not only have competition for his position but also someone he could learn from.
The progression of Everton being a successful side is most important, I dearly want Ross to be a part of it but if success means bringing even better quality in and Ross being sacrificed for big money just like Stones then so be it. Eventually the club has to draw a line on his development if there is no progress over the two seasons.
24 Posted 15/09/2016 at 18:56:50
With regard to the holding midfielder role, if Koeman thinks he can play there, why rule it out? Martinez wasn't exactly an expert in the arts of defending. Maybe his best position is as a No 10 and his goalscoring record in that position isn't bad but I've always thought if we played a 4-4-2 formation, he would be a good central midfielder.
Seeing as we normally play two holding midfielders, that's where I think he could play and give the team more creativity allowing more of a lethal attack up-front. We might have a few holding midfielders but I would like to see more creativity from that position than what we've got in Cleverley or McCarthy. Besic and Gueye can provide that but, as good as they are, Barry and Gibson are getting on.
25 Posted 15/09/2016 at 18:58:30
26 Posted 15/09/2016 at 19:00:23
He's been on a downward slide for the last 12 months, his game was decent to good for 2 years under Martinez, who knows why he has lost the form he showed earlier.
I'm afraid the lad gives the impression to me, to put it bluntly that he wasn't at the front of the queue when brains were being given out.
That's obviously only an opinion on my part, I like the lad and I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think he's going to be the top player we all hoped he'd be, at least not as a playmaker.
As Paul said earlier, he's more of a finisher than a link man.
27 Posted 15/09/2016 at 19:02:43
These basics are retaining possession and doing defensive duties as required. The lad has time under Koeman to iron that out and become a first choice consistently.
28 Posted 15/09/2016 at 19:04:27
Interesting that Koeman mentions pressing from the front; to do that, they need to be a lot fitter. Deulofeu was drinking water after 10 minutes on Monday. They are far from there yet.
29 Posted 15/09/2016 at 19:06:09
What, no Bullshit? None at all?
Much as I love Ross, his days of being told not to worry about mistakes are over The arm around the shoulder has been tried. Looks like the boss has decided to go for the boot up the arse.
30 Posted 15/09/2016 at 19:18:44
The first is he listens and learns quickly that he has to show more effort and desire with and without the ball. This will enable him to grow as a player and become the player we hoped he would be for us.
The second option is him not showing any improvement and his place will be gone and he will be transferred as an enigma type player. I feel it is all down to his attitude which is something I worry about as I don't feel he has the inner desire needed to be a top player.
I think Ross has until January to shape up to how the manager wants him to play; otherwise, I see a replacement brought in. I have to commend the manager as he is saying and doing all the right things at the moment.
31 Posted 15/09/2016 at 19:21:27
In those first two seasons he played 74 games and scored 9 goals. In his third season, he played 48 games and scored 12 goals. This season it is 5 played and 2 scored.
32 Posted 15/09/2016 at 19:24:11
Why can't we judge the player? Everybody judges. We judged Martinez, Niasse, McGeady and the majority of us thought they were shite. Barkley was shite the other night and his piss poor performance and ball presenting the opposition could have cost us victory... if he was still kept on.
Koeman has put it to him and is keeping us informed that if he doesn't improve, he is history. We can't win games with potential and as the boss said, he saw the clips and there is no escape.
33 Posted 15/09/2016 at 19:26:54
34 Posted 15/09/2016 at 19:37:23
35 Posted 15/09/2016 at 19:47:25
- This one is too hard -- Moyes, who is renowned, rightly or wrongly, for being dour, negative, taking knives to gunfights, and for running strikers into the ground with defensive duties ...
+ This one is too soft -- Martinez, who is renowned, rightly or wrongly, for being overly optimistic and positive when unwarranted, and relieving all 11 players of defensive duties ...
= This one is just right -- Koeman, who is renowned, rightly or wrongly, for being realistic, pragmatic, attack minded but defensively responsible, and ensuring all 11 players share defensive duties appropriately and in an organized and effective way ...
Let's see how this one goes for Goldilocks. I for one am realistically hopeful and optimistically pragmatic and will take the negatives with the perspective they deserve ...
36 Posted 15/09/2016 at 19:58:27
No I have no inside knowledge of Martinez's one-on-one treatment of Ross. What I do have is the benefit of my own eyesight, which I trust implicitly, and having witnessed poor performance after poor performance (not only from Ross, it must be said) and then listened to the seÃ±or's comments about that performance, I conclude that this behaviour contributed to Ross's downward trajectory in output.
And yes, it is because I think he isn't very bright. Plenty of footballers aren't bright, they are just gifted, but surely players like Ross can't be expected to decode the spaced out choice of language used by our former manager?
I'm sure Ross will respond to plain English, delivered in a heavy Dutch accent!
37 Posted 15/09/2016 at 20:07:03
I do see Ross playing as a box to box midfielder long term. I don't think he's a striker nor a number 10. Can he play deeper? Yes, but he needs to defend better and cut out the brain farts.
I hope he kicks on, and the hard words from Koeman will make him grow up. He's going to benefit far better long term than the pile of old flannel from Bob.
38 Posted 15/09/2016 at 20:07:09
My thoughts exactly, hope the boot up the arse works!
39 Posted 15/09/2016 at 20:20:26
40 Posted 15/09/2016 at 20:24:00
Stats are unreliable for all sorts of reasons.
41 Posted 15/09/2016 at 20:26:38
Barkley has been given false impressions by the man who should have been honest with him. This is the biggest challenge of his Everton career. Koeman is the man to get the best out of Barkley because he will be honest with him.
42 Posted 15/09/2016 at 20:27:21
Don't really understand that, if indeed that's his intention. This is not the Ross Barkley show.
43 Posted 15/09/2016 at 20:33:55
In post (#17), your first sentence is delivered like a fact when again it's just your opinion.
The thing is, Peter, we have no idea what Martinez said to him in private.
44 Posted 15/09/2016 at 20:40:10
Thank God. I don't think anyone symbolised the failings of the previous regime more than Ross. He was the size of a house at the end of last season, for one.
But one thing has always worried me. Martinez tried Ross at a kind of left-half position. Not unreasonably I felt, as he is an attacking midfielder. Attacking mids need the flexibility to play all across mid, especially these days. Ross can't play deep, he's too poor off the ball. So, instead of being just a Number 10 type, I thought it was reasonable of Martinez, as much as I didn't rate him, to attempt to develop Barkley's game by doing some left-hand side.
Poor coaching may have played a role. Definitely I think. But he appeared to have little idea how to play the role. No natural sense of how to play it.
That means he can't play deep. He can't really play wide. It seems he's a 10 or nothing. To be an effective 10, exclusively a 10, you have to be European class, Zola, Bergkamp, if you want to be a top player in the top division. In that role you can't make the mistakes Ross makes.
It's a position in which you're either good enough, or not. In that role you have to affect the play. Positively. Not negatively by slowing the game down and constantly giving the ball away.
If that's what you do then you rip up the next division down like a Robbie Blake type. I know which Ross is nearer between Zola and Robbie Blake. He is, as it stands, nowhere near effective enough. Forget England. He isn't good enough. He's got some serious flaws that need addressing.
45 Posted 15/09/2016 at 20:57:24
And your point is?
46 Posted 15/09/2016 at 21:12:54
47 Posted 15/09/2016 at 21:21:29
Forget about England, get some consistency and club level and the caps will come.
When Ross was sitting on the bench in the second half, I hope he was watching Gana, Barry and Rodwell closely.
Two I hope he aspires to be; one I hope he doesn't end up as... It's in his hands.
48 Posted 15/09/2016 at 21:22:06
49 Posted 15/09/2016 at 21:22:35
Ross has the talent absolutely beyond doubt. But this has to act as a wake-up call. If he is going to succeed in midfield or as a Number 10, he needs to get his fitness right so he is much sharper. Even if you are not the quickest off the blocks, you can do well by thinking sharply and anticipating. Gareth Barry does this excellently, both in possession and when closing people down. Ross needs to get this if he is going to survive in midfield.
I personally would try to convert him into a Sheringham type player, playing with his back to goal and coming deep, because I don't believe he will ever have the mobility required to play in midfield.
I read Leon Osman's autobiography recently, and it was interesting what he said about Jack Rodwell. Basically, he had all the talent in the world, but he was an academy footballer, not a street footballer. As a consequence, he was lacking in nouse, the team ethic and the win-at-all-costs mentality. Remind you of anyone?
50 Posted 15/09/2016 at 21:31:39
It seems to me that Barkley has never been coached in a specialised position. He's played everywhere in midfield during his short career with the blues first team, but it seems successive managers have been unable to train him for a dedicated position.
We get varied opinions on here of his best position because he's either not nailed down a position himself or he's not been coached into a position properly.
He's played predominantly in the hole behind the striker, but is he naturally gifted for this role or is he forcing his abilities to fit the position, thus inconsistent displays?
Or are we just overthinking a simple game and placing too much pressure on a young lad coz he's a blue at heart?
51 Posted 15/09/2016 at 21:36:57
52 Posted 15/09/2016 at 21:52:39
At last someone has told him. I really feel he will prove he's no mouse and will add depth and strength to our 2016 team.
Thanks RK and "Go man, Go, Ross!"
54 Posted 15/09/2016 at 22:31:29
C'mon boys, seriously!! Ross Barkley does not figure in our strongest 11 anymore, absolutely not. Did Monday's second half tell you nothing?
55 Posted 15/09/2016 at 22:49:15
Think about his positives strong, fast, skillful, instinctive, reactive, loves the ball, loves to drive at the defenders, finishes well.
Now look at his negatives blind on the ball, unable to mesh in midfield, and generally dumb as a box of rocks strategically. And, occasionally, lazy.
The lad's a born forward.
I doubt Koeman will try it, but I'd love to see him as the supporting front man playing off Rom, 100% of the time. The transition might be awkward for a while, but I think in a few months we'd have a potent scorer to boast about.
56 Posted 15/09/2016 at 22:59:05
His goal at Man City in the semi-final of the League Cup was one illustration of what he is capable of but he needs to produce more than the occasional brilliant goal to merit a place in a successful Premier League side. His career is at a crossroads but he will hardly have a better manager to put him on the right path.
57 Posted 15/09/2016 at 23:00:35
58 Posted 15/09/2016 at 23:12:15
Number 10 or central midfielder is the million dollar question.
I think he will ultimately end up as a central midfielder if he improves his fitness, work rate and positioning. It's easier to coach these attributes than the vision and skill required for a No 10 which I think you are either born with or not.
Someone said earlier that he could be a long term replacement for Barry, which isn't a bad shout.
I hope he gets his head down and works his bollocks off and the crowd don't treat him like shit because there is an outstanding player in there Hopefully Ron will bring it out of him.
59 Posted 15/09/2016 at 23:14:46
Now we've got a manager asking him to do exactly that.
Whoever is right and whoever is wrong (obviously most will think Roberto's plan wrong, as I do), I actually feel for Ross. An important time in his development and he's being asked to do a complete 180 degrees on previous direction. Ross needs to take responsibility for his career but Everton, as a club, has let him down.
60 Posted 15/09/2016 at 23:24:34
No amount of goodwill will overcome his failings, especially under the scrutiny of a world class football brain like Keoman's.
61 Posted 15/09/2016 at 23:35:00
All this talk about positions... How do you coach a simple weighted pass to look up and see what's round you? You either have it in your locker or you don't, and this side of Barkley's game lets him and the team down time and time again. And his decision-making is pretty awful at times.
I think what made Koeman's mind up to sub Barkley was just 2 or 3 minutes before half-time when there was a 50-50 challenge and Barkley pulled out. Had he even challenged for the ball and won it, we were on the attack.
I would be over the moon to see this Evertonian succeed and prove me wrong but Koeman looks like he's not up for any passengers in his side and, like some others have said, this could be a make or break season for young Ross; he needs to get going and quickly.
62 Posted 15/09/2016 at 23:52:37
Does Koeman let him sit games out on the bench, thereby giving Ross time to suss out what the manager wants? Take the pressure off him and hope he comes good?
I'd prefer the latter. A bit of time out might do him the world of good, get him hungry with something to prove when he comes on later in games.
63 Posted 15/09/2016 at 23:57:47
I think we all have over hyped Ross and all have expected too much of him too soon, after all we all wanted him to be our 'Gerrard', I honestly believe he is still in Martinez mode and this will soon enough be coached out of him, or beaten out of him, like what's happening now.
I remember a couple of years ago when he would pick the ball up and run at people and fly past 3-4 players (like his goal against Newcastle) I think this has been slightly coached out of him because of Martinez possession/passing game.
Give him time and support and he will prevail, don't forget he is only 22 and has had a lot of expectation to live up to, everyone expects Magic everytime he gets the ball! Maybe getting dropped for a couple of games might do him the world of good, I think he can do a lot more going forward a lot better like when he broke into the scene but he is just scared of losing the ball or seeing his touches/passing stats go down.
It's nice to see players with immense stats, but stats mean nothing compared to penetrating attacking football All will be fine with Ross, mark my words.
64 Posted 15/09/2016 at 00:04:17
The manager is honest straightforward and knows the game and players as good as anyone. Its up to Ross, the mechanisms are in place, he needs to be boss, show more aggression and get himself and the game by the scruff of the neck.
I believe it will happen and he will get fitter, make better decisions and man up on the pitch, he needs fire in his belly. It's down to the player, a massive year for him.
65 Posted 15/09/2016 at 00:04:54
He's a massive player for the Blues, one of our very own. He has 2 goals and 2 assists in 4 league and 1 cup game, his form is good, he just didn't perform to well on Monday.
Us Blues should not get caught up in the hype and get on Ross case, we should instead give Ross the support he so rightly deserves.
I'd bet that Ross will hit double figures in the league this season, and that's good enough for most attacking midfielders.
66 Posted 15/09/2016 at 00:10:03
I love this 'shit or get off the can' attitude. I wonder where Barkley will be at the end of the season. The clock is now ticking on his career.
67 Posted 16/09/2016 at 00:22:51
Why do I feel I've just watched a "Sit down" with Tony Soprano every time I see him give an interview?
68 Posted 16/09/2016 at 00:30:33
I think its time to accept we still have a good player but not the world beater we all hoped he would be, I also hope he proves me wrong.
69 Posted 16/09/2016 at 01:28:03
70 Posted 16/09/2016 at 01:47:57
Slightly off topic I know, but it's like Repartee. Repartee is Instinctive, all the good ones have it. It comes without thinking, in a split second... and how many of us mere mortals think of the witty reply 2 mins, 10 mins later or on the way home or the next day?...most of us.
That's the real difference between Bob Hope and a mere Smart Arse. The real difference between say (no disrespect to either) Sheedy and Cahill as midfielders. Instinctive talent + practice and hard workvs A decent talent + practice and hard work.
But what the true greats have is a deep well of responses...instantaneous, split second responses, all stored, ready... the famous 'well rehearsed ad-lib'...AND the Instinctive.
This comes with practice, practice makes perfect, makes it seem like it's Instinctive... until, lo and behold, with a bit of luck one day - IT IS.
I fear if Barkey ever does gain this level of competence, become a late(ish) Improver/developer, It mightn't be here, as I don't see Koeman's patience lasting forever.
If he does, he will owe Koeman and his Staff a tremendous debt... and, 20 years down the track, will be either forever kicking himself or thanking his lucky stars he listened and learned.
71 Posted 16/09/2016 at 03:03:53
Defending is something Ross needs to learn and that has to happen on the training ground. For a player to be blowing hard nearing half time if not physically fit then has to be mentally unfit. Looks like there is no enjoyment just now leading to a crisis of confidence.
I would be pulling him out of the starting line-up and using him for impact late in the game asking him to do a job and keeping it simple. Pressing tackles and chasing for a start. Keeping possession and making every pass count. A lot more energy and a good 20 minutes is achievable.
72 Posted 16/09/2016 at 03:06:08
73 Posted 16/09/2016 at 03:15:11
Barkley has to improve. And I could see Lukaku getting 30 goals this season to be honest. He doesn't tear the players down in the press, just says enough of the truth while also publicly encouraging the player. I would have to imagine that the veteran players must love it. And the young players must know that they're going to have to earn everything.
74 Posted 16/09/2016 at 04:31:00
Ross Barkley was the worst offender and in the first 15 minutes I counted 6 times when promising moves were turned over to Sunderland possession and a counter-attack because of the faults detailed above. Matters were so poor in my view I was up for a wholesale swap for Lennon, Deulofeu and Davies.
The switch made by the manager, and the hard words, had the desired effect. Bolasie turned into the winger he can be, although I fear we'll see more than a few performances such as that in the first half (excepting the great cross for that Lukaku header), and Mirallas was gifted what he seems to want, a chance at 10. He was better but has a long way to go in either that position or on the wing in my view. Deulofeu looked hungry for the opportunity whilst being far from perfect.
I'd start with those three Saturday but I would be keen to give Lennon a good run during the second half and to test Tom Davies for a half-hour in the hole.
75 Posted 16/09/2016 at 05:59:25
He was a complete player before his injury now he plays scared. Good enough for an 11th place team maybe but those days are behind us.
I hope beyond hope that Ross can get over what is essentially a psychological problem. If he does we will see a complete player who is world class but he's getting very near to the crossroads.
76 Posted 16/09/2016 at 07:18:59
77 Posted 16/09/2016 at 07:21:01
Ross is better with the ball at his feet facing goal, not with a defender up his backside, back to goal. I would show him the Arsenal game at the Emirates in Martinez' first season. He may have received the ball with his back to goal, but his positioning allowed him to turn and start moving forward.
This is what he lost in the last two seasons. He comes towards the ball, back to goal, gets it passes it back. Totally ineffective. If he wants a more up to date example. Then Deulofeu, as soon as he came on on Monday, was finding space in between and behind their midfield. Very simple.
78 Posted 16/09/2016 at 08:43:29
Barks is capable of the big crunching tackle and putting himself about.
I (although a big fan of RM) think it was Martinez getting into his head that he needs to save his energy for the counter attacks, to go into tackles looking to pinch the ball and set things off, not to go off your feet, gain an advantage in transition etc etc
That without the pressing and fitness I think has taken its toll.
79 Posted 16/09/2016 at 08:52:24
I mean, if a Dutch person thinks he's scary...
80 Posted 16/09/2016 at 09:02:26
Some of the 'brainless' stuff is a bit unnecessary as we don't need him to be a mastermind to the job, especially in and around the last third; bit of off-the-cuff magic'll do!
As for Danny [#49], I get that the players mentioned like Gerrard had similar attacking stats, but also did the heavier work, but would hesitate to say Scholes was good at getting his foot in; Gerrard too often, too for that matter, if we're talking 'cleanly'!
Anyway, I hope this newfound air of managerial honesty does the trick. Come on, Rossy, COYTs!!!
81 Posted 16/09/2016 at 09:25:29
If I can go back to the Charlton comparison, at first Man Utd didn't know what to do with him. they played him as a striker alongside Tommy Taylor, then as a winger on the left. Eventually, he became an advanced midfielder; Stiles and Crerand did the "dirty" work behind him.
Managers love work rate, so do crowds. Henderson and Milner are the ideals, players who never stop running and never give a pass longer than five yards. I watch the German clown across the park, destroying a talented striker who has pace and is a natural finisher, because he wants an automaton who'll chase back down the wing. The other "great" manager at Tottenham is destroying another fine young natural striker, because the lad is permanently exhausted by the demands of the pressing game.
Good managers know how to make the most of their players' gifts, not try to turn them all into clones.
Barkley has a great talent, he lacks confidence, not surprising the way the crowd reacts to his mistakes , and the way the manager is keen to emphasise what he can't do, rather than what he can do.
Barkley has to be employed as a number 10 as they now call that position, where his shooting and running ability could be used. A good manager would emphasise his skill and make him feel valued, not try to turn him into another James Milner.
We'll lose him soon and that would be a tragedy. He's a rare talent.
82 Posted 16/09/2016 at 09:35:27
The last couple of seasons have been and gone. We have a new regime and new (better) way of doing things. There's no point bleating about how good, bad or indifferent Ross was, or indeed anybody was during Martinez's reign. Fact of the matter is that we were a poor team and needed a radical shake up, which Big Ron is giving us. There will be lapses in what he demands, it's still early doors and players are still coming to terms with the work rate/quality he wants. Big Ron is not shy about telling the players when they have both it wrong. In Barkley's case that was Monday night.
Ross has already shown that he is buying into what Big Ron is doing. He is quite slim-lined compared to last season, is tackling, winning headers and tracking back all things he seemed incapable of last season. OK Monday was a bad night at the office, all players have them, but he will come back better for the warning Big Ron has given him.
83 Posted 16/09/2016 at 09:55:58
This, for Koeman I believe, is a starting point for all players. It doesn't take a football brain. A five-year-old knows that when you don't have it you have to get it back. Once he's addressed that he'll feel the warmth of Koeman and hopefully the confidence to play with the ball returns.
I'm not convinced he has a long term future at a club at the top of the Premier League but I hope he does and I hope he gets a chance to prove it.
84 Posted 16/09/2016 at 10:24:20
One knows what is wanted and now the other has to show it. Barkley won't be alone, probably isn't the first and more than likely is only one of the first ten to already experience it.
85 Posted 16/09/2016 at 12:07:13
I think there is too much emphasis by some managers, including the hyperactive Klopp child, on players burning a million calories every game, instead of looking at the finer points of football. I'm confident that the fact that RK was a top player himself will be very significant in all this.
As the old sayings go, you can't put in what nature left out, and you can train a donkey to run faster but you can't turn it into a race horse. Ross is a race horse whose natural talent needs exploiting, and Koeman has some experience in this.
87 Posted 16/09/2016 at 13:08:25
88 Posted 16/09/2016 at 13:11:12
I recall seeing a stat (yes I know, a stat) that his tackles won ratio was quite good.
Concerned about plenty with Ross, but not his tackling. Seems an unfair stick to beat him with.
89 Posted 16/09/2016 at 13:29:27
i think you're being a little unfair on Ross saying 'he believes he's the finished article and doesn't need to work hard', really?
Nothing I've seen or heard about Ross leads me to believe he's arrogant or a 'Billy big bollocks'. He's going through a poor spell of form that's for sure, but to label him lazy, I don't believe that's the case.
There were times last season that he needed to be either 'dropped' or rested, and taken out of a team that had clearly stopped believing what the manager was telling them.
Martinez's insistence on playing him, week-in & week out, has clearly left him damaged. As one of our own, I hope he is able to get back to the form everyone knows he is capable of.
90 Posted 16/09/2016 at 13:29:41
91 Posted 16/09/2016 at 13:31:02
Everton's academy players are best served when with Everton all of the time, as the England set will never enhance their prospects of playing for Everton. Ledson is the recent example of this. Recently played for England Under-19s; when he returned to Everton, he was transferred to Oxford. Not the move he would have wished for.
92 Posted 16/09/2016 at 13:55:30
93 Posted 16/09/2016 at 15:25:36
What you are seeing now is the best us or any other side will get with Ross. He will always give the ball away, his decision making will always be dubious, and he will continue to never be a midfielder as long as he has a hole in his arse!
Put all the sentiment aside of him being a local lad made good, and think about this for the money that we now allegedly have, could we get better? For me the answer is unequivocally yes, and we should be looking to strengthen in this area in January.
94 Posted 16/09/2016 at 16:11:53
Couldn't take to the last two, both spoke to us as if we were born yesterday.
I keep saying I will reserve judgement, but I'm warming to him already.
Perhaps I'm mellowing in me arl age.
95 Posted 16/09/2016 at 16:31:03
I see Ross as an out-and-out centre-forward, in the true, old-fashioned sense of the term. A 'Dixie' reborn if you will.
He has the skills to either hold the ball or go it alone if the situation demands it. He is not a mid-fielder, he is an out-and-out attacker / finisher of world class skill. He scores wonderful goals and tap-ins. Pirlo penalties and wonderful one-twos. Also, he is an Evertonian.
Why then are we putting up with all this bullshit midfield crap? Get him in the goal mouth and let him loose. Easy.
96 Posted 16/09/2016 at 18:19:13
I think we are seeing Koeman at his most clinical here (and that's a good thing, no?). He's told Ross what's expected of him and if he doesn't come up the the plate then I'm afraid he's toast. I'd love him to come good but there's something missing from his mentality and it doesn't auger well.
97 Posted 16/09/2016 at 18:30:26
It keeps happening to me and my perception of young players so naturally I'd assumed by all the talk that Ross must be entering his early thirties by now... He's 22!!!!!
If we'd signed him this summer, we'd happily earmark him as one for the future.
He has BAGS of top level experience, and INCREDIBLE amount of talent and now a manager who is a) not afraid to use him nor b) afraid to criticize him. Both previous managers have seriously halted his growth but Koeman will let him flourish. If he's not hauled off for playing badly, how will he learn?
The fact that Koeman recognized the problem and promptly fixed it without worrying about poor delicate little Rossies feelings is a testament to both what a quality professional manager we have and also to the fact that Ross is a big boy and can be coached like everyone else in the league. He was captain a few weeks ago; Koeman knows his stuff and Ross will be just fine. More than fine.
98 Posted 16/09/2016 at 22:58:29
Surely Barkley must be hurting that Everton won that game the other night without him. His contribution was poor. Surely Barkley has listened to Koeman, and taken everything on board. Surely Barkley is champing at the bit to prove his worth against the Boro on Saturday? I would play him. But he's off at half time should he be showing no signs of lessons being learnt. The ball really is in Barkley's court. I hope that he realises that. I think that he has to have taken all the comments made this week on board. He has to. Stupid if he hasn't. Ross Barkley might not turn out to be an all time Everton great. Who knows? But he still could have a great Everton career. I hope that he grasps that chance. Just a final thought... did Barkley not break a leg in his early footballing days? Could that maybe be a reason why he does not really go full-blooded into a tackle? Would having suffered that kind of injury not have affected some players approach to tackling? It could explain a lot about Barkley.
And Barkley is never a DMF. For me he needs to be trained as an old fashioned inside forward. Playing up front through the middle, just off Lukaku. Also forget about midfield. He's an attacker. Just my opinion.Bring on the Boro. Up The Toffees..
99 Posted 16/09/2016 at 23:37:51
That sort of thinking always drags me back to optimism. Good man, Viv.
100 Posted 17/09/2016 at 00:23:39
No doubting he had a bad day at the office Monday and deserved to be taken off, but he will have good and bad days, like most of our players at some point.
We need to encourage him, get behind the lad and hope he learns from his mistakes.
Barkly first goal Saturday, you just know it's fate.
101 Posted 17/09/2016 at 00:50:34
102 Posted 17/09/2016 at 08:33:52
The ball is firmly in Ross's court and he now has no reason not to prove himself the top player we hope he can be. If he cannot do it, then we sign a replacement who improves the team.
103 Posted 17/09/2016 at 11:05:53
Ross now has a manager who will ensure he's coached properly. I think there will be a few bumps in the road but I'm sure we'll see a very good player emerge.
104 Posted 17/09/2016 at 11:56:23
Very true words from Koeman and about time, this lad has been giving away the ball frequently for over a year; the last clown loved him though so never said anything. Koeman's honesty is refreshing. Love the guy (at the mo!)!
105 Posted 17/09/2016 at 12:05:36
During the pre-season in Austria, Ronald Koeman described Ross as a "great player". I am sure he will find the way to get the best out of Ross Barkley. I hope so the lad loves Everton.
106 Posted 17/09/2016 at 12:19:54
This season has seen a slight improvement when he won a decent header in the box against Stoke. He also missed a simple headed chance this season. He is not good at one-on-ones (he had at least one this season where he hit it straight at the keeper). He doesn't show the movement of a quality striker.
If any coach had an inkling that he could flourish in that role then they would have experimented with him there. He isn't ever going to be deployed as a striker. I rate him very highly as a midfielder but he still has a lot to learn. He's now in the best environment to do that.
107 Posted 17/09/2016 at 12:52:08
Not all strikers are predators.
I see Ross as someone who could play in a Sheringham role. Admittedly, Sheringham was a better header of the ball - but he couldn't twist and turn like Ross, and he didn't have Ross's pace.
To be honest, I don't think Ross and Lukaku can play together they are not mobile enough and are both prone to an off day. But I believe Ross could play up front alongside a whippet (Vardy type). He could drop back and link up play, and he would get away with not running about so much in this role.
108 Posted 18/09/2016 at 13:51:02
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