Ferguson's experience valued at Everton

Monday 3 October 2016  48 Comments  [Jump to last]

Duncan Ferguson is enjoying a greater role at Finch Farm and on the Blues' bench thanks to Ronald and Erwin Koeman.

Having initially been brought onto the club's coaching staff by former manager David Moyes in 2012, the former Everton striker and Talisman was elevated to a first-team coaching role in 2014, working under ex-manager Roberto Martinez.

The pair are believed to have had an uneasy relationship, however, with Martinez preferring to exert majority control over training sessions and Ferguson's role appearing to be nominal at best based on his limited interactions with players from the dugout.

Ferguson has been embraced by new boss Ronald Koeman and his assistant and brother Erwin, though, since their arrival from Southampton in June, with the latter describing the Scot's knowledge of the club and status as something of a legend from his playing days as being a vital link to the management team.

“Most managers in England bring their own entourage, a big group of people who take over and ignore the loyal workers in the club," Erwin said in The Mirror.

“I think this is what happened before with Duncan Ferguson. He was never involved, he was not valued. Ronald wanted him to be part of our team, of our staff, and wants him to be involved.

“The man is a club legend. Those kind of guys you don't leave aside. You have to use their experience and knowledge. They can help us get better and better.”

Under his brother, Ronald, Erwin Koeman has helped Everton make a decent start to the 2016-17 season, with the Toffees sitting in fifth place heading into the second international break of the season.

Most supporters feel that the team's position in the table could and should be even better, with a return of just one point from the last six available preventing them from perhaps being right up at the top with Manchester City and Tottenham Hotspur.

Nevertheless, Ronald expressed to the media on Friday night how pleased he had been with the start and Erwin echoed those sentiments, while also comparing Everton to his former club in the Netherlands .

“We had a fantastic start and we want to make the fans proud," he continued. “Ronald and I have both been manager of Feyenoord, a massive working men's club in a big port.

“This is why Everton reminds us in every way about our old club. We both love a traditional club where the fans are hard working people, who are craving for success."  


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Richard Dodd
1 Posted 03/10/2016 at 20:24:30
Much more of this 'fantastic' nonsense and it will be sounding like the ghost of Roberto still lingers.

We've played nowt and still look weak up front and midfield.

ps: How does Ross merit automatic selection?

John Malone
2 Posted 03/10/2016 at 20:47:48
I hope he isn't the reason we are playing route one scrappy football because I hoped them days were long gone.

The Arteta, Pienaar, Baines, Osman one- an two-touch football was some of the best I've seen at Goodison and has set the bar for what should be on offer every week.

Dan Davies
3 Posted 03/10/2016 at 21:21:59
Whatever you think of Duncan, he always had fighting spirit when on the pitch for us,; sometimes stupid and hot-headed, granted... but, on his day, most defences shat themselves at dealing with him.

I for one appreciate his ongoing involvement with the club and well done to the Koemans for keeping him there.

I have to say, though, John, I agree with the Route One scrappy stuff; I was hoping for a bit more of the School of Science style to be kept.

Christy Ring
4 Posted 03/10/2016 at 21:29:40
I'd love to see Sheedy promoted to the first-team coaching set-up. He's doing a great job with the U18s, and playing a lovely brand of football.
Peter Cummings
5 Posted 04/10/2016 at 01:02:18
It was always puzzling to me how little Dunc seemed to be involved in the club he loved under Martinez, and now we know why. If he is given a wider role by Koeman, I believe it will rub off on the players. The great pity is he is no longer a player himself.

Many Evertonians, like me, placed him in the same category as the many Everton Greats, too numerous to list, who have graced Goodison Park over the club's history – a Blue legend in every sense and a credit to the game.

Steve Carter
6 Posted 04/10/2016 at 07:51:36
"A blue legend in every sense and a credit to the game". Really, Peter? A solid old skool "centre forward" only, whose fairly regular red mist brain snaps.

Whilst not in the Bartonesque category, I'll grant you, nonetheless he wasn't exactly a credit to the game.

Liam Reilly
7 Posted 04/10/2016 at 07:59:14
I fear this could turn into a Duncan 'Legend' versus Duncan 'bashing' thread.

Personally I think it shows that the Koemans understand the value of tradition and the importance that the heritage of this club means so much to the public.

Few current players could teach them that, but retaining Sheedy, Unsworth and Ferguson shows that it's something they consider valuable.

BTW, for the naysayers above, this is not Koeman's team yet. The man himself has said it will take 2 years to build what he wants.

Jack Cross
8 Posted 04/10/2016 at 08:08:04
Richard Dodd (#1).

Concerning Ross, I think if there is so much hype surrounding a player, they start believing it's true. When in reality, in my opinion, Ross shouldn't be anywhere near the first 11. Am I a knocker of Ross? Only in the respect of I don't think he's good enough. And my eyes tell me that and nothing else.

As for big Dunc, well jobs for the boys isn't it? A regular wage, for doing very little.

An Everton hero? Compared with Everton greats. Give me strength. More of a thug. How many goals did he score?

Ian Jones
9 Posted 04/10/2016 at 08:16:44
I think that the Koemans, whilst acknowledging Ferguson's time at Everton, would not want to keep him involved in a coaching capacity at the club at the level he is currently at, if he wasn't good enough.

They have seen something they like.

Paul Tran
10 Posted 04/10/2016 at 08:19:09
We're still 5th, Richard and we haven't started playing well yet. How's your old mate getting on?

I'd like to see Sheedy involved at some point. He's a real Everton legend and making his mark as a coach.

Ray Roche
11 Posted 04/10/2016 at 08:20:26
Liam Reilly.

"This is not Koeman's team yet.The man himself has said it will take 2 years to build what he wants."

Liam, don't come on here with all your fancy "let's have patience" and "it's a two-year project" nonsense.

Common sense and an idea of perspective? You should be ashamed of yourself!

Eric Myles
12 Posted 04/10/2016 at 09:10:56
John (#2), don't you know that the official ToffeeWebbers view of the Moyes era is dour defensive shite and Osman was crap??
Tony Abrahams
13 Posted 04/10/2016 at 09:38:29
My own view on Ferguson is that, after taking time out of the game once he retired, he realised how much more he could have achieved. Hopefully this is the reason he wanted to get back involved?

I read somewhere that Ronald and Erwin made a pact with their Dad, before he died, that they would give him his final wish and work together. Always better to have someone who understands you by your side, and hopefully it's by working with his brother than can take Ronald to the next level?

Back to Ferguson, who always looked like a token gesture made by Martinez. He probably kept him out the changies at half-time in case he lost it, because we all know who would have been throttled if he had!

Craig Walker
14 Posted 04/10/2016 at 09:46:51
I remember being in halls of residence at Cardiff University sitting with a load of arrogant RS fans (is there another type?) watching the derby which was Joe Royle's first game in charge. The RS fans actually laughed at our team sheet. They were top of the table. The moment big Dunc rose and headed that goal knocking the likes of Scales, Ruddock and James in with it made him a legend in my eyes.

He never lost a derby match in that first spell. He largely played in poor Everton teams and his hat-trick against Bolton on Boxing Day under Howard Mark III kept us up that season. Some of the best moments I've had as an Evertonian were because of Dunc.

I'm glad he is still at the club and actively involved. I wish Lukaku and our other big players had half as much fight in derby games as Ferguson did, for starters. If they did, then we wouldn't turn up to places like Anfield and act like rabbits in headlights.

Eugene Ruane
15 Posted 04/10/2016 at 09:50:45
Liam, I think I'm kind of in the middle. I don't see Ferguson as a blues legend 'in every sense.'

I'm guessing his goals-per-game record doesn't compare with our best; I think many of his sendings off were avoidable/stupid (and selfishly dropped his team-mates and supporters in the shite). And by his own admission, his off-the-park carry-on was very unprofessional.

But I'm always impressed when people have the strength to say to themselves "I've acted like an idiot, that's going to change". (nb: most don't – most idiots usually attempt to justify their selfish/annoying behaviour to themselves and continue fucking up all the way to the grave.)

John Conteh has been a hero of mine since the early 1970s. When his career was over, he was only heading one way (bevvy, trouble etc). Yet he found the resolve to say "this is bollocks, it doesn't have to be this way, I'm out."

People have (understandably) raged about Joey Barton's carry-on over the years, but if he's genuinely attempting to break a cycle of idiocy, good on him.

Which is why I'm more impressed with Ferguson now than back then and why I'm delighted he's part of our training staff.

Great to have a coach who is respected by the players and one who can pull them to one side and say "I've done it the wrong way, which is why I'm qualified to tell you how to do it the right way."

It is also great to have coaches/staff 'on board' who genuinely and undoubtedly love the club and can convey the importance of results/performances to those just 'passing through'.

Tony Abrahams
16 Posted 04/10/2016 at 10:50:01
Some good points, Eugene, especially to resolve, rather than blame. The game has changed now, and I'm not sure if players could carry on like they used to, and get on the ale a few nights a week anymore, but you are correct: most human beings are incapable of change, especially the ones who don't "believe" they are doing anything wrong.

I look at Mirallas, and often wonder why he doesn't produce a lot more. My guess would be in your post, because it looks like he has got something wrong in his make-up to me. I don't know him well enough to know but, from the outside looking in, this kid has got the ability to be a top player, but seems to lack the resolve?

It's never too late to change, but maybe it's just the manager's fault again!

Brent Stephens
17 Posted 04/10/2016 at 10:56:52
Eugene #15 - well said.
Paul Smith
18 Posted 04/10/2016 at 11:09:35
Let's wait 2 years or until the next transfer window or when Walsh comes up trumps; I get it, but don't like it.

We've been saying the same thing for years. But this time it's gonna be different, I tell yer... I can understand why some (myself) want success now, not 2019, but I guess I must be pragmatic, patient and understanding.

Tony Sullivan
19 Posted 04/10/2016 at 11:14:20
Paul, I have been pragmatic, patient and understanding since 1952!!!!!
However, like you, I would like success now as I am not getting any younger!
Shane Corcoran
20 Posted 04/10/2016 at 11:25:27
"Most supporters feel that the team's position in the table could and should be even better."

Spurs, Stoke and Palace, lucky to get the points we did. Got what we deserved in the other games.

Eddie Dunn
21 Posted 04/10/2016 at 11:28:15
Whether Duncan quite reaches the 'Legends' category isn't important; what is clear, is that he cares. His passion was there for all to see on that testimonial.

Players shine for a very short time, and all of the knowhow built up over the career is often wasted if the man doesn't go into coaching.

I hope some of his aggression and passion rubs off on Lukaku, Kone and Bolasie. I would like to see an occasional snarl up top.

It would also be nice if we had a right nasty bugger in the midfield. Imagine Barkley with Mark Noble's attitude.

Laurie Hartley
22 Posted 04/10/2016 at 11:53:03
I like everything Erwin Koeman said in the OP (except he should have included the girls).

It appears to me that the Koeman brothers are fighters and they want to be surrounded by similar people. Ferguson, Unsworth, Sheedy fit the mould.

This is why, despite the dissapointment of the last 3 games, I am confident about the future – we will be great again.

Eugene – sometimes if you are going bad and get "lucky", "life" starts knocking the corners off you and a decision is made to change. It does look like Duncan Ferguson has been through this process. Fortunately for him, Kenwright and the Koemans are amongst those who have supported him. I believe he will pay them back in spades.

Tim Sharpe
23 Posted 04/10/2016 at 12:11:58
We like people for their qualities, but it is their defects that make us love them.

Big Dunc has had more than his share of "WTF is he doing?" moments, and will admit that himself, I imagine. But that is part of his appeal to us, I think – our bad boy or troublemaker. Like Suarez, or Bellamy he is loved by his own fans, but hated by others, a hero or a villain is a matter of perspective.

If the players we have now who have arguably greater technical ability, play with the amount of passion that Duncan did, without the excessiveness that was part of his game, then we could be laughing all the way to Europe.

Brian Harrison
24 Posted 04/10/2016 at 12:17:32
Every time I hear Erwin or Ronald speaking, unlike Martinez, they just talk common sense. No bullshitting, no massaging egos, they understand the game and it seems they understand the passion of the supporters. I know some of our fans are saying that we might have 14 points from 7 games but we haven't played anybody yet. Yet we have already seen Burnley beat the other lot and Burnley were very unlucky to lose to Arsenal. Stoke got a draw with Man Utd, who spent a fortune in the summer.

Ronald knows from his time at Barcelona what it takes to make a very good team, and he was starting to put together a very good team at Southampton. Despite half the first team being sold before he took over. I am sure with the help of his coaches and the ability of Steve Walsh to spot a player, plus the backing from Moshiri, he will turn this club around.

I think it will be interesting to see how we get on against Man City, when he comes up against Guardiola. Given the fact that Cruyff asked Koeman to teach Guardiola everything he knew and took the young Guardiola under his wing while at Barcelona.

I know for the last 20 years we have been asked to be patient and, despite our patience nothing happened. But I think – under this manager and the majority shareholder – things will change. But it will take time and I would ask all our fans to show a little patience; yes, there will be bad days as he tries to assemble the team he needs to take us forward. But booing at half-time really doesn't help anybody, especially when you are having to put right the debacle of the last 2 seasons.

Dave Abrahams
25 Posted 04/10/2016 at 13:02:17
I feel the same way about Duncan as Eugene (#15); he has changed as a man, Duncan that is... I could say a bit more about that but will leave it at that – he genuinely loves EFC.

I think it was Oscar Wilde who said "Every saint has a past, every sinner has a future" – not that Duncan was a real sinner, he just could have done things differently.

Now, he is trying to make amends.

Jay Wood
26 Posted 04/10/2016 at 15:01:57
Dave @ 25

"Duncan has changed as a man, I could say a bit more about that but will leave it at that."

Ohhhhh, you tease Dave!

Nice Oscar Wilde quote. Not one for condemning anyone for all eternity for their misdemeanours – too Old Testament for me. Dunc seems genuinely enthused in his role at Everton these days, which wasn't always the case during his playing career at the club.

I can understand Blues of a certain generation regarding him as a 'legend.' I witnessed matches when he was THE difference between winning and losing. I also witnessed many a match when he was less arsed than a less arsed Romelu Lukaku. For that reason, he doesn't get into my personal pantheon of who and what I consider an Everton 'legend.'

But... he was a character. Read this account of how he went on the lash before THAT derby game, Joe Royle's first as Everton manager, after Walker's sacking leaving us rock bottom and nailed on for relegation.

Link

We have a couple of Bluenose Bizzies to thank for flushing him out before being breathalyzed that he was able to make the game!

Jimmy Sørheim
27 Posted 04/10/2016 at 15:21:13
Duncan Ferguson showed great passion which no other player has done since for this club.

He fought, kicked and scored his way into my heart, I have never seen a better header of the ball, that passion and his physical strength combined is a top notch example of what it TRULY means to love Everton.

I still miss him in our team, he was a true CAPTAIN, not like this weaklings we see now like the feeble Jagielka.

Lukaku has LONG way to go in order to be like Duncan Ferguson.

Daniel Lim
28 Posted 04/10/2016 at 15:38:18
Thanks for the link, Jay.

"...became the legend before he had become the player"

Love this.

Dave Abrahams
29 Posted 04/10/2016 at 15:48:20
Jay (#26) not so much a tease, my stories of Duncan are pretty much the same as the one you have related.

I don't think Duncan touches the demon drink anymore, he's had time to reflect on life while living in Majorca. It came to him that he missed football, maybe he didn't ever think he would, and so he is very happy to have another chance at the game. He is still a relatively young man so he can make a good career for himself on the coaching and possibly management side of the game.

Your summing up of Duncan's playing career is in line with the way I and many Evertonians think of it.

Steven Jones
31 Posted 04/10/2016 at 16:21:21
Duncan has great leadership skills; he is a great orator, believe it or not, I have seen a couple of speeches he has given. He is inspiring and a huge passion and heart for EFC and especially the fans for standing by him.

I saw a documentary as well as he went through his qualification course and took defence as his team's subject – I was very impressed by his intelligence, articulation and thought he was a different gravy to many footballers turning from pro to coaching.

In my book, he very much has the potential for management, and one day, of our great club.

Steven Jones
32 Posted 04/10/2016 at 16:27:04
Here is a link to Duncan's Hall of Fame Speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyvD_YqhTn0

Don Alexander
35 Posted 04/10/2016 at 18:07:53
Brian Harrison at #24 echoes my thoughts entirely. That said, nowt's guaranteed but death and taxes as someone once said.

On the subject of the thread, I've posted before re my contempt for the way Ferguson conducted himself when a player, on (except on those very rare occasions when he deigned to actually make an effort) and off the field, but if the bloke's finally making a consistent contribution that's valued by someone who always earned the status "legend" as a player, namely our manager, then so be it.

Mick Davies
45 Posted 05/10/2016 at 04:46:01
Dave @ 25, I agree with your sentiment, and to again quote Oscar: "Youth is wasted on the young" could also be used to describe Dunc's life. We all make mistakes and have regrets as there is no life manual. I just hope he really makes amends now and puts the past behind him; he certainly has lessons to teach younger players – especially Ross if the rumours flying around the city are true...

Ray Roche
46 Posted 05/10/2016 at 08:15:56
Mick, what rumours?
Brent Stephens
47 Posted 05/10/2016 at 10:30:42
Mick, intrigued! What rumours?
Mike Green
48 Posted 05/10/2016 at 11:08:50
I was never his greatest fan by any stretch but, if the definition of "Legend" is "extremely famous or notorious", then Big Dunc is without doubt an "Everton Legend".
Dave Abrahams
49 Posted 05/10/2016 at 11:28:55
Mick (45) don't tell them!!!!!!!
Ray Roche
50 Posted 05/10/2016 at 17:17:28
#49.
Some mate YOU are!
Tony Abrahams
51 Posted 05/10/2016 at 17:28:14
Take no notice Ray, he would love to know!
Mick Davies
52 Posted 05/10/2016 at 18:37:41
Well if you haven't heard already, I'm sure you soon will. At this time, I don't want to post it until it's been become public knowledge and the lad can defend himself... it's nothing really serious but, if true, not correct behaviour from a sportsman.
Dave Abrahams
53 Posted 05/10/2016 at 19:38:55
Ray (50) Ray I've been in town all afternoon with my shawl on and haven't heard a thing !!!!!
Ste Traverse
54 Posted 05/10/2016 at 22:44:47
It's 22 years ago today that Dunc made his Everton debut. We got knocked out of the League Cup (sound familar?) against Portsmouth at Fratton Park in his first appearance in a Blue shirt (well, it was that white monstrosity which looked like a tractor had driven over it).

How time flies, eh?

Ray Roche
55 Posted 05/10/2016 at 22:47:27
Dave, shawl? I thought you were a sensible shoes and a tweed skirt type of guy... at least, that's what Tony's been saying...


Me? Stirrer? Never!

Brian Wilkinson
56 Posted 06/10/2016 at 01:33:26
If Ron and Erwin need to know anything about our club, what is good and not so good, give an honest assessment, then look no further than getting Neville Southall onboard.

If Duncan Ferguson is a legend, I look forward to hearing from posters describing Big Nev's status. What's the next rating above Legend?

Ray Roche
57 Posted 06/10/2016 at 09:56:05
Brian, unfortunately the term "Legend" has been devalued by all sorts of people using it to describe anyone who has done anything slightly above average. Ferguson, to fans who remember Ball, Young, TG Jones etc. require a bit more from a player than Ferguson provided before declaring him a "Legend".

But fans who were in their teens when Ferguson gave them something to hold on to, to believe in and who was someone who stood up to the RS or to teams who thought of themselves as our betters, well, he's THEIR legend even if he's not ours.

Fans of whatever club from whatever generation can truly call Nev a Legend.

Dave Abrahams
58 Posted 06/10/2016 at 11:15:28
Ray (#55), sensible shoes and tweed skirt? Might try that, as long as it gets me some gossip.
John Hughes
59 Posted 06/10/2016 at 11:22:43
Gossip! We got another mention on Coronation Street last night! We must be doing something right or perhaps one of the scriptwriters is a Blue!
Ray Roche
60 Posted 06/10/2016 at 11:43:38
Dave, worked for me.

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