Liverpool council's chief executive, Ged Fitzgerald, has been extolling the virtues of a new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock in terms of regeneration of the area.
Everton have been looking at brownfield sites in the docks area of Vauxhall over the past few months as they weigh up alternatives to remaining at Goodison Park and a delegation from the club, led by Farhad Moshiri and which included Chairman Bill Kenwright, CEO Robert Elstone, director Sasha Ryazantsev, and US-based architectural designer Dan Meis, toured Bramley-Moore Dock last week.
Another site at Stonebridge Cross off the East Lancs Road in Croxteth is also under consideration but the north docks area is overwhelmingly favoured by supporters, among them current Liverpool Mayor Joe Anderson, and Mr Fitzgerald put forward the case to an audience of potential investors at the Mipim UK conference in London yesterday.
He argued that a £300m stadium development at Bramley-Moore Dock “associated developments which would create an anchor point at that end of the river” for the kind of transformation that the docks closer to the city centre have undergone in recent years and, later, he expressed to the Liverpool Echo his belief that “from a regeneration point of view it's a fantastic opportunity.”
“I think there's some really exciting potential opportunities for that stadium in that location.
“That itself would create a massive magnet and anchor point for the regeneration of the wider North Liverpool area and would be a fantastic destination and attraction in its own right. And I say that even as a Liverpool fan.”
Though there has been no indication of a timeline for any decision over whether an Everton stadium at either location could be given the green light, Mayor Anderson has hinted in recent weeks that an announcement could come by the end of the year.
Any dockside development would require a land-purchase deal with current landowner, Peel Holdings, who have earmarked Liverpool's north docks area for a £5bn regeneration and development scheme.
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1 Posted 20/10/2016 at 01:06:39
2 Posted 20/10/2016 at 03:03:57
3 Posted 20/10/2016 at 05:57:31
4 Posted 20/10/2016 at 07:46:04
5 Posted 20/10/2016 at 08:01:13
6 Posted 20/10/2016 at 08:25:07
This ground move also leaves the red shite behind in Anfield in their big white elephant, that they've already wasted millions on.
7 Posted 20/10/2016 at 08:38:23
What a Christmas present this could be. Announce Everton's new stadium to be developed on the Dock Site on Christmas Eve!!!!!
8 Posted 20/10/2016 at 08:39:24
Maybe this week I can get some drone footage and we can view it's pluses and minuses.
9 Posted 20/10/2016 at 09:16:37
It is not too early to ask this question as this should be a prime consideration when choosing a site. I know we're all desperate for a stadium but it still has to be right.
10 Posted 20/10/2016 at 09:48:11
11 Posted 20/10/2016 at 09:53:44
12 Posted 20/10/2016 at 09:54:56
Being on the waterfront will be great but getting to and from the game will pose problems. Will they have a park-and-ride system like they have at golf, or will they incorporate enough car parking space around or under the new ground.
13 Posted 20/10/2016 at 10:07:28
Anyone would think its on the fucking moon.
Stop creating non-existent problems.
14 Posted 20/10/2016 at 10:25:24
This is our destiny, Please Please Please.
15 Posted 20/10/2016 at 10:31:40
On the other hand, it could actually be an advantage in that it will be more like an out of town site, with no neighbours to worry about, in an area needing total regeneration, while still being within a (cold) walk or bus ride from town.
What I'd really like to see is our stadium being incorporated into those iconic Mersey Skyline views that they use to promote tourism, along with the Three Graces, Radio City Tower etc. That would cement our position as the club that best represents the city and help to increase our out of town fan base.
Of course, Bramley-Moore Dock would in reality be way out of shot to the left, but a bit of creative photoshopping should sort it.
16 Posted 20/10/2016 at 10:36:19
17 Posted 20/10/2016 at 10:37:15
Yes, nice bit of lateral thinking. I know James #5 points to the pros of filling the dock in, but didn't somebody post recently about the time it took (or is taking) to fill in another dock? Or is infill no problem time-wise?
Either way, I do like the idea, if structurally not an issue, of underground parking (we'll need space at least for all those lawnmowers).
18 Posted 20/10/2016 at 10:49:29
Joking apart, the transport issue could easily be solved: a ferry pier for Wirral/North Wales supporters and a station at Leeds Street for the rest.
19 Posted 20/10/2016 at 11:02:07
20 Posted 20/10/2016 at 11:05:11
Parking, offices, on-site training areas all need room, why go up when you can go down!
Might cost a bit more but dividends could outweigh the initial expense many times over!!
21 Posted 20/10/2016 at 11:29:14
Maybe there's a park 'n' ride option?
22 Posted 20/10/2016 at 11:35:45
Let's hope it happens. COYB
23 Posted 20/10/2016 at 11:53:00
24 Posted 20/10/2016 at 12:04:24
It would help with travel and safety issues, not to mention irritating Liverpool fans every time they looked at a Merseyrail map.
25 Posted 20/10/2016 at 12:09:07
With our track record; that's difficult to argue against, but I'd be willing to wager that if we do build on the Docks and do it right; then these same numpties will soon change their minds on groundsharing.
Now wouldn't that be something.
26 Posted 20/10/2016 at 12:10:50
27 Posted 20/10/2016 at 12:17:36
Eugene (26) The bloke with the yacht said he would wait for her, can't trust anybody these days not even Knights of the realm.
28 Posted 20/10/2016 at 12:21:08
I envisage the rs being more and more unsuccessful, going through several demotions, eventually having to vacate Anfield (not being able to pay back the rebuild costs), and having to move to some out-of-town concrete monstrosity - how about somewhere near Croxteth. And we, having built at Bramley-Moore Dock, then use the demolished Anfield as a parking space for a park-and-ride. Is that what you had in mind, Kevin?!
29 Posted 20/10/2016 at 12:23:08
30 Posted 20/10/2016 at 12:29:45
However, for those saying this site is "inaccessible", I invite you to take a look at the alternative in Croxteth and let me know which of the two is the most accessible. Although you might be able to drive easily to Croxteth right now, it's not exactly teeming with car parks, or public transport links at the moment.*
* If you need a clue, the answer is Bramley-Moore
31 Posted 20/10/2016 at 12:31:13
For the past 30 years like many people, I've had to park up miles from the ground in all weather and do that ridiculous walk. The walking distance for the Bramley-Moore Dock area might be a similar distance we have now but at least we'll be in a top class stadium in one of the most enviable ground locations in the world. I'll skip to the ground, I can't wait.
32 Posted 20/10/2016 at 12:34:23
I currently take the Metrolink to and from Kirkdale (the next station on from Sandhills on the Kirkby line) for our games at Goodison and the longer walk and pressure of numbers of match travellers using the station is okay though I'm well aware that things would be different if the Metrolink route became the main means of getting to the docks stadium.
33 Posted 20/10/2016 at 12:36:33
The potential difficulties with transport and associated infrastructure are essentially irrelevant as the infrastructure would follow a project of this scope.
34 Posted 20/10/2016 at 12:40:59
The stadium itself will be a huge advert for Everton FC cruise ships going past the stadium entering Liverpool... just envisage kids saying to their parents "can I get a football shirt for that team as a souvenir?"
Bringing children into it, when they are 8/9 years old are they going to be interested in going to that stadium on the river as opposed to the "one near the park in the middle of nowhere" this is the future of our supporters.
35 Posted 20/10/2016 at 12:57:07
What are you all on? Miserable arl bastard pills? This is the most exciting news for Evertonians since Dixie's sixty!!
36 Posted 20/10/2016 at 12:59:13
Nothing at all fanciful about this. There is no way in hell large-scale developments get through planning these days with out due consideration to the surrounding infrastructure... and that means transport links.
BTW a new pontoon-style ferry terminal (just like at Canary Wharf) is relatively cheap and easy to install.
37 Posted 20/10/2016 at 13:18:17
I apologise if this has already been discussed. I'm afraid it's something I know very little about. I'm just putting this on here to see what people's thoughts are about this.
38 Posted 20/10/2016 at 13:42:54
39 Posted 20/10/2016 at 13:44:20
Tony, it's Sandhills the Soccerbus runs from, not Kirkdale. Just in case anybody new to Soccerbus decides to try it!
And, yes, it looks as if Bramley-Moore is closer to Sandhills than Goodison Park is.
Can't help thinking of Bramley apples whenever I read about Bramley-Moore Dock a sour apple. Let's hope there's a sweet outcome to all this. And sour grapes at Anfield.
40 Posted 20/10/2016 at 14:07:42
41 Posted 20/10/2016 at 14:10:25
42 Posted 20/10/2016 at 14:25:21
43 Posted 20/10/2016 at 14:26:39
44 Posted 20/10/2016 at 14:32:20
45 Posted 20/10/2016 at 14:37:03
Put me down for six season tickets.
46 Posted 20/10/2016 at 14:59:03
There is usually a breeze off the river but then we will be playing and watching in an enclosed stadium without open corners not in an open field. Bramley-Moore is a 20-minute walk from the Cotton Exchange or the Slaughterhouse and a 25-minute walk from Flanagans or the Grapes... and I'm 68!
Fucking hell, I can't wait.
47 Posted 20/10/2016 at 15:01:56
48 Posted 20/10/2016 at 15:03:12
49 Posted 20/10/2016 at 15:10:41
50 Posted 20/10/2016 at 15:17:46
I wouldn't worry too much, we have been well used to having a pile of shit as our neighbours for decades!
51 Posted 20/10/2016 at 15:29:17
53 Posted 20/10/2016 at 16:20:57
Seeing as you are so well connected at the club, do you think they could supply waterproof ponchos for when we are on the travelator? As you can often get a sea fret from the river blowing in. I know it might be pushing it but could the blankets have your own monogram stitched into them?
Nice to see we have so many keen hikers who go the game who have already walked from town to the new proposed site. I wonder if they will be added to Wainwright's Walks new addition?
54 Posted 20/10/2016 at 17:19:28
55 Posted 20/10/2016 at 17:30:14
Ex Head of Communications, Ian Ross, admitted Kings Dock costs were going up and up and EFC pulled out. But, and big but, he says Kenwright regrets not paying extra now. So let's secure this site and build it. Otherwise, we'll regret it for a long long time.
56 Posted 20/10/2016 at 17:59:38
We're used to shit-stirrers on TW, Peter!
58 Posted 20/10/2016 at 18:02:06
Wouldn't that be the ultimate dream!
59 Posted 20/10/2016 at 18:08:51
Methinks you misquote the bard, Jim. Did he not say “Lord, what fools these mortals be!”
60 Posted 20/10/2016 at 18:34:11
61 Posted 20/10/2016 at 18:44:17
62 Posted 20/10/2016 at 18:55:06
I think the point is the stadium will become the focal point; as tourists sail by, they will see an impressive complex with Everton's new stadium standing proud, it will be remembered, a talking point.
That's how I see it.
63 Posted 20/10/2016 at 19:09:24
Thanks for the correction.
64 Posted 20/10/2016 at 20:42:16
The drawings I've seen for the regeneration around the entire ten streets is incredible. They believe they can move Sandihills to ensure decent links but that is nothing to do with the new Goodison and will happen anyway as the Titanic Quarter takes shape.
Just hope we don't get cold feet.
65 Posted 20/10/2016 at 20:55:40
66 Posted 20/10/2016 at 21:21:02
67 Posted 20/10/2016 at 21:44:35
68 Posted 20/10/2016 at 21:59:10
My lawyers will be in touch forthwith.
69 Posted 20/10/2016 at 22:01:15
70 Posted 20/10/2016 at 22:06:05
You know the drill,
Brown paper envelope behind the pipes...
71 Posted 20/10/2016 at 22:09:23
72 Posted 20/10/2016 at 22:12:23
73 Posted 20/10/2016 at 22:13:21
So that's what I get for interbreeding with a kopite. Serves me right. Well, I'm off off to see her younger sister now as the missus is fast asleep after her cocoa as ususal. I love Thursday night.
74 Posted 20/10/2016 at 22:19:32
How long have you been a political?
Otherwise, me an my girl on matchdays are always in the Royal Oak.
PS don't get me going on about UFOs
Not sure what I mean by this but the red (sorry) is really going down well!
75 Posted 20/10/2016 at 22:42:15
Just saying like!
77 Posted 20/10/2016 at 22:44:24
78 Posted 20/10/2016 at 22:44:35
79 Posted 20/10/2016 at 22:51:14
80 Posted 21/10/2016 at 01:31:21
You'll have to forgive me, the 1970s had a huge influence on me.
Maybe I'll bin the script I've developed telling my version of the story of Everton's move..
SHE LOVES A BIT OF BLUE AND SHE ALWAYS WANTS MOORE!!!
Robert Elstone - Jim Dale
Jon Woods - Sid James.
Alexander Ryazantsev - Sam Kydd.
Farhad Moshiri - Saeed Jaffrey.
Denise Barrett-Baxendale Profile - Madeline 'Mrs' Convery.
Bill Kenwright as himself.
81 Posted 21/10/2016 at 03:09:38
82 Posted 21/10/2016 at 07:13:25
Complain about the transport links, the price of the hotdogs, the cold off the Mersey, the lack of parking!!!
Or stay where we are in a dilapidated stadium that is being overtaken by Championship sides for hospitality...
Jesus, some people.
83 Posted 21/10/2016 at 07:19:54
84 Posted 21/10/2016 at 08:07:27
Baah bloody humbug, it is going to happen and you should get on board .
85 Posted 21/10/2016 at 10:43:00
86 Posted 21/10/2016 at 12:47:08
I would absolutely love a stadium at the docks. An iconic waterfront stadium, combining tradition and the future. If we aim to be a successful club once again, how big do you reckon it should be? At this time a capacity of 55 to 60k would do fine but if we manage to play in the Champions League on such an iconic location...
87 Posted 21/10/2016 at 13:02:41
I think it has to be around the mid 50s with room for expansion to 60. We have to believe more season tickets, more corporates, and more match day tickets will be sold when we move.
88 Posted 21/10/2016 at 13:13:44
89 Posted 21/10/2016 at 13:36:36
'Kydd's Law, 1947. – Every film requiring a character who can be described as 'some bloke' must include Sam Kydd,'
For the teenagers, here are some of his most memorable lines..
"Alright mate, no need to shove."
"These perishin' buses get later every week, I swear they do."
"There you go luv, a pound o' grapes and 4 tangerines."
Oh and here's his (equally no-mark) son moaning about the fact that when dad was on 'This Is Your Life.', they only got no-mark guests/mates on - Link
90 Posted 21/10/2016 at 14:26:13
In truth, we wouldn't have bunked in to see most of them, and to be honest there was plenty just as bad as Sam, but in the forties and fifties "the pictures" was the place to go.
Thank God for Everton on a Saturday.
91 Posted 21/10/2016 at 14:32:46
I think we are almost there on that one. Mersey River, Mersey Ferries and Docks being the big clues.
92 Posted 21/10/2016 at 14:40:25
Crap also from memory.
93 Posted 21/10/2016 at 14:56:26
94 Posted 21/10/2016 at 15:00:45
What a memory. Was it Dahlia Lavi? As a good catholic lad, trouser stirrings were frowned upon.
95 Posted 21/10/2016 at 16:47:15
96 Posted 21/10/2016 at 17:15:05
And for Dahlia Lavi too!
97 Posted 21/10/2016 at 17:20:22
I vaguely remembered a cock-up or out-take from Dixon of Dock Green and I'd convinced myself it was Sam Kydd. I was wrong, but it's still quite funny...
98 Posted 21/10/2016 at 18:30:38
105 Posted 21/10/2016 at 23:43:58
It's certainly not Sam Kydd but it is hilarious. Dick Green Dock.
106 Posted 22/10/2016 at 08:17:17