Barkley omission can be a 'wake-up call'

Friday 21 October 2016  75 Comments  [Jump to last]
Ronald Koeman is hoping that dropping back to being an unused substitute last weekend against Man City can provide motivation for Ross Barkley.

The midfielder was omitted from the starting XI at the Etihad Stadium last weekend and played no part in the 1-1 draw but could return against Burnley tomorrow.

“Maybe last weekend was a wake-up call for him,” Koeman said.

“He knows exactly what I expect because maybe he is one of the players who has the most attention from the manager. He needs the support of the manager but the manager will always select the best 11 to start a particular game.

"That means you can be left out because you are not happy with the performances of an individual player or you are making a tactical decision but he knows he needs to improve."  


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Mick Davies
1 Posted 21/10/2016 at 03:20:53
Ruthless Ron – that's my kind of manager. There's no room for sentiment if you want to be successful, and I bet Martinez realised that when it was all falling down around him.
Ian Linn
2 Posted 21/10/2016 at 04:33:24
Fair enough, Barkley has not developed into the superstar everybody thought he would. Last season was poor, this season seems no better.

His career seems to be reflecting his midfield forays – running into a blind alley.

I don't wish bad on him; I hope he get's his game figured out.

Tony Draper
3 Posted 21/10/2016 at 04:35:12
Very true Mick @1.

Ross stands at a crossroads in his career. In his favour he has several important factors: natural ability, physique, age and the sure knowledge that as a "Toffee through and through" fellow Evertonians will treat him like a God if he fulfills the promise.

Ross also faces really important factors: his growing reputation for "not listening" to his managers, his low work rate, he isn't a bright eyed kid anymore and Evertonians have no time for false prophets.

I want Ross to become the player that I look back upon and say "Bloody Hell! Barkley had it all!". But unless he get's his shit together, I can see me saying "Barkley? That lad needed a solid kick in the arse. What a waste."

Koeman is making the message bloody clear to them all.

Time for Ross to shape up or buy a season ticket.

Anto Byrne
4 Posted 21/10/2016 at 05:38:34
Sod the surging runs from midfield – everyone knows this is how he plays and they steer him down a blind alley where he stops and turns around. If he could do more of the Gibson/Scholes thing, spraying balls from midfield and playing box to box with the movement of play, he would be a much better player.

He has to start hunting the ball, pressing and chasing, and putting in a few tackles. Now he has all this in his locker its just a case of the manager telling him to leave most of it there for special occasions and concentrate on the bread and butter day to day stuff.

He is such a talent that the magic will come without him having to think about it. He is wearing too many hats.

Eugene Kearney
5 Posted 21/10/2016 at 06:23:26
A few years ago we thought we had two budding superkids with incredible potential Barkley and Deulofeu.

Whatever happened to them? Pampered by managers or the media, or money????

Kieran Fitzgerald
6 Posted 21/10/2016 at 06:56:37
He's had four or five full seasons of training in the senior squad and being in the match day squad. If he hasn't picked up enough in training or with the coaches to have developed then something is badly wrong.

You can't just blame Martinez and say that he has stunted the player. There are other coaches on the training pitch apart from the manager who can help a player to develop and become better. Ross should also be able to develop an understanding with players through training and playing with them so that on a match day he can play better with them and through them.

Either Ross doesn't have the confidence or he doesn't have the footballing brain. Confidence can be very mercurial and sometimes you either just have it or you don't. You can have very limited ability but learn a good footballing brain. Both confidence and developing a footballing brain through coaching and application has given many limited players a good career. With Ross, you have to wonder if he will ever have enough of either.

Paul Setter
7 Posted 21/10/2016 at 07:12:37
I used to get excited about Barkley in the side, one of our own and all that, but I'm relieved nowadays when he isn't. He just doesn't do enough to justify his hype. He was supposed to be our Gerrard (shudder) but 5 years in the squad and he is no better since day one.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if he is moved on in the summer to someone like Palace and we will file under another unfulfilled youngster!! I hope I'm proved wrong but currently I can't see it.

Mark Andersson
8 Posted 21/10/2016 at 07:58:31
I think the manager is being honest and tactful re Ross. Simply he is telling us the fans that Ross needs to step up or you're out.

There should be no sentiment in football. Most fans wanted Ross to be are Gerrard but better.

Ross is not a leader... too nice and still a boy mentally.

The manager has a conundrum: he sees a very talented footballer but lacks that ingredient of desire and passion to develop into the hype that was unfairly heaped upon him... NEXT!

Tim Wardrop
9 Posted 21/10/2016 at 08:00:51
Ian (2), he wasn't poor last season. He was on fire August to February, as his goals and assist record suggests.
Rick Tarleton
10 Posted 21/10/2016 at 08:16:18
His assist record this season is still good, in figures published in "The Observer" he was in the top six for assists. What he no longer seems to do is surge past players and shoot on target. Perhaps defenders are aware how to force him wide and lead him into positions where he has to check back. He still is to me the best creative talent we have.
Nick Armitage
11 Posted 21/10/2016 at 08:20:19
No footballing brain whatsoever. I'd swap him for Rooney tomorrow.
John Daley
12 Posted 21/10/2016 at 08:25:12
Has he really been any worse or any more inconsistent than our other attack-minded midfielders since Koeman came in?

Despite seemingly being mired in a crisis of confidence and form, Barkley has still been streets ahead of any other Everton player when it comes to creating chances for his teammates this season.

He's created 20 goalscoring chances so far, compared to Deulofeu's 4, Mirallas's 8 and Bolasie's 13. 

If I was a manager without a win in the last four games and whose team had recently found goals rather hard to come by, Barkley would be one of the first names on the team sheet when about to face Burnley. 

Ian McDowell
13 Posted 21/10/2016 at 08:25:37
Koeman says "He is already playing four years in the first team. You are not any more a talent, that means you need to show you have improved," and he's absolutely spot on.

As much as we want him to succeed, we can't wait forever for Ross to develop into the player we hoped. Koeman means business and if he wants to coach at Barcelona one day he knows he needs to turn Everton into genuine Champions League contenders. If Ross isn't cutting in the next few months, I'm sure a top class midfielder or two will be the focus of next season's recruitment.

Kieran Fitzgerald
14 Posted 21/10/2016 at 08:26:10
Nick, a swap for Rooney would be tempting. With the pace that Rooney would have in front of him, it wouldn't matter as much that his legs have gone. Imagine the through balls for Lukaku alone to run on to.
Paul Conway
15 Posted 21/10/2016 at 08:31:54
Tantalized only to deceive. Zero consistency. Has become a complete passenger and a liability.

For some supporters he walked on water, but now he is walking on thin ice, along with a couple of other dudes who think that you have to have a dazzling hair-do to put in a dazzling display!

Peter Murray
16 Posted 21/10/2016 at 08:51:25
Amazing that some Evertonlans think we should swap Barkley for some overweight has-been who, as a young lad, couldn't wait to get out of the club quick enough.

Barkley has been pulled from pillar to post under 3 different managers. Koeman needs to sort out his best position and play him.

There are other values, too. Amidst all the conflicting hype and disappointments, he has kept his counsel. No whinging to the press. No using his agent or member of his family to put pressure on the club. A nice antidote to the way the likes of Rooney, Fellaini, Lukaku and Mirallas have gone about their Everton business.

Steven Jones
17 Posted 21/10/2016 at 08:53:08
John Daley (#12) – Spot on. Some people do spout nonsense and emotional babble.

This nonsense about potential is also wrong; as you state, he produces the goods even this season – goals and assists are excellent compared to his colleagues and across the Premier League.

Ron wanted a tactical strategy that put Cleverley in there last week; this week, Barkley will be back and motoring.

From time to time, it is good to take him out of the line up and give him some thinking and re-fuelling time – good move by Ron.

Last week, there was a comparison with Gerrard and Lampard at this stage of all their careers he was ahead of both in terms of assists and two behind Lamps in goals. They also compared him with the likes of Mata and other so called top midfielders and he was streets ahead at this age.

Barkley is magic already – get behind our Diamond!!


Dave Ganley
18 Posted 21/10/2016 at 08:57:06
It's all in his own hands now. Big Ron will give him coaching and the platform but Ross needs to want to do it. He has all the tools in his locker but something is holding him back, be that lack of confidence or belief or something else, who knows.

This is a make-or-break season for Ross, I feel; if he doesn't do it this season, then I fear he never will. Doing it once in a blue moon just doesn't count. As others have pointed out, he's been around the first team for 5 seasons now, he is not a kid anymore.

We all desperately want Ross to succeed regardless of what the idiots who come on here suggesting the fans boo him at every opportunity think. That's rubbish by the way, I sit in the main stand and have done for years, I don't hear any boos for Ross anytime he does anything wrong.

You do get to the stage though where you need to start realising your potential. You can show all the stats in the world but we all know they lie. To suggest that Ross is alongside exalted company like Lampard Scholes and Stevie Me is just nonsense. He has the ability to be but he needs to believe he can be. Hopefully he can finally come of age this season.

William Cartwright
19 Posted 21/10/2016 at 08:58:03
I can't believe all the negative hype that is swirling around the media at the moment. For the BBC to highlight a lead story "What is wrong with so an so..." is scandalous. It goes way beyond constructive criticism. And everyone falls for it.

As Tony and others have remarked, Ross's stats are better than any other attacking midfielder on our books! Last season he was immense in many games, again the stats don't lie. The only reason he is the butt of media criticism is he is so good everyone expects him to turn it on every week. Great if he could. Perhaps he would with a positive atmosphere around him.

Contrast the media love fest around Dele Alli. A great young player no doubt, but playing in a far superior team, and with worse stats than Ross! Never mind, it's the good old neutral BBC so it must be true! Give us and Ross a break and let him enjoy his footy. and let's keep the faith with one of our own.

Koeman's management so far has been excellent. He left Ross out of the Man City game for sound tactical reasoning ans said as much. Logical. He has said he needs to up his game and that too is logical. I also believe that with the continuing right management he will move onward and upward. Different from the mis-management he and the rest of the players suffered with that nit-wit in charge for the last 3 seasons.

If ToffeeWebbers must vent their spleen at a player or players then fine, but do it at those who deserve it, such as Deulofeu, who is one of my favorites but who is as frustrating as hell at the moment!

Come on, Ross, and COYB!

Michael Penley
20 Posted 21/10/2016 at 08:58:03
All this "no footballing brain" talk is bollocks. The brain is extremely malleable, capable of change. The coaching team must be responsible for changing Barkley into a creative type. Putting him on the bench hoping it will trigger something won't do a whole lot in that direction.
Steven Jones
21 Posted 21/10/2016 at 09:05:01
Dave G - the comparison is on stats at his age and a factual comparison.

Do not dismiss the facts especially when you are criticising one of our own.

Dave Abrahams
23 Posted 21/10/2016 at 09:32:26
Stats don't and never will mean anything to me. I watch and see; if a player is having a good game, I can see it; if he is having a poor game, I can see it. Stats will never convince me a player is good or bad.

No matter how many chances Ross has created, he has had a poor season up to now. IMO, he's got the talent; when is he going to use it consistently? He was dropped and substituted two or three times and still his game hasn't improved. He seems to be on the outside looking in, never gets a grip of the game.

In a nutshell for me, he isn't enjoying playing football at the moment. Until he can shake off what is holding him back and start wanting to play and enjoy getting out there, he will never improve. Like Dave Ganley says "It's in his own hands".

Come on, Ross, it's all down to you, you are the one who can help yourself.

Peter Laing
24 Posted 21/10/2016 at 09:33:59
Barkley needs to play with more aggression, there were signs in the opening game against Spurs when he had a set two with Dele Alli, evidently no love lost between the two of them. More aggression, more composure and a little more support from the fans.

I sincerely believe Barkley is a diamond, still a bit rough and still in need of polishing, there is no better man than Koeman to deliver in this respect.

Kieran Fitzgerald
25 Posted 21/10/2016 at 09:46:47
Steven, what about stats in terms of tackling, breaking up play, passes that start moves? Barkley has some stats that are better than Gerrard's or Lampard's. Great, but he doesn't show anywhere near their drive, motivation and effort. He doesn't strike enough people as being a player who has what it takes to control a game.
Eugene Ruane
26 Posted 21/10/2016 at 09:48:54
First in an occasional series - 'If Ronald was a...'

Number 1. If Ronald was a doctor

Visitor: "Excuse me nurse, do you have any news of my father's operation?"

Nurse: "Er...oh..(ulp!)...I...erm...well.."

Dr Koeman: "He is dead. Completely dead. The operation did not go well. Also his death was painful for him, he suffered a lot of pain."

(Next time: 'If Ronald was a Samaritans volunteer')

Danny Broderick
27 Posted 21/10/2016 at 09:53:55
Can we please stop comparing Barkley to Gerrard, Lampard and Scholes?

Stats at 22 years of age for goals and assists may be similar between those players, but let's face it, that is all Ross does. The other 3 put in more tackles, covered more ground and were far better passers.

The problem Ross has got is not what he does with the ball, it is what he doesn't do without it. He unbalances the team because he hasn't got any discipline and never presses – he never gets out of 3rd gear. He never wins any tackles or headers, and this is a problem when you play in midfield. He simply doesn't affect the game enough.

My hope for Ross is that he changes position. I believe he could play as a striker with his back to goal in a Sheringham / Le Tissier role. He clearly has ability, he is tall and strong and capable of goals and assists. But this needs to be used in a role that suits the team. I just don't think he has got the mobility to play in an attacking midfield role.

Geoff Evans
28 Posted 21/10/2016 at 10:01:09
Barkley, is at the moment where his performances merit, on the bench. It's up to him to do something about it.

Paul Mackie
29 Posted 21/10/2016 at 10:16:29
I want to like Barkley, I really do, but he can be so wasteful in possession. I haven't looked at the stats (and as a data analyst by trade, I love stats!) but he seems to lose possession more than our other midfield options. Are his assists & goals enough to counterbalance that? I don't know...
Ray Roche
30 Posted 21/10/2016 at 10:18:44
Eugen#26

Second in an occasional series.

Head Teacher Koeman informs a pupil his parents have been killed.

"OK children, line up here. All those with both parents still alive step forward one pace. Jones, where are you going?"

I'll get me coat..

Sam Hoare
31 Posted 21/10/2016 at 10:37:42
Few of our attacking players have done enough this season bar Lukaku. Between them Bolasie, Deulofeu, Barkley and Mirallas need to be scoring and assisting more.

Deulofeu and Barkley in particular have been overhyped and suffer from fans disappointment as a result. At the moment they don't seem any more efficacious than the likes of Jason Puncheon or Junior Stanislas to name two unheralded mid-table players. They need to work hard and find out how to bring more end product to their game.

Daniel Joseph
32 Posted 21/10/2016 at 10:54:32
Nick (#11) Yes, Yes, Yes.

Kieran (#14) Drooling at the prospect

Brian Furey
33 Posted 21/10/2016 at 11:12:59
Barkley seems to often try to do too much and so ends up giving the ball away a lot. If he played a lot more simple give-and-go game I think he would a do a lot better. He is more than capable of providing a good pass or cross into Lukaku, though, and this is why I can see him playing this weekend against Burnley.

Interestingly Bolasie is the 9th highest player for number of crosses this year so far with 48, one behind Rooney & Milner.... Strangely, his replacements Puncheon and Townsend are No 1 and 2.

Crosses Stats

Derek Thomas
34 Posted 21/10/2016 at 11:25:46
'Koeman issues Wake-Up Call' = Stee-rike Two. (How many times do I have to tell you son?)
Chris Gould
36 Posted 21/10/2016 at 11:55:53
Brian, what's more important is that Bolasie has 3 league assists. More than Townsend and Puncheon's combined efforts of 2.

I still believe in Ross Barkley. I think we need to replace Mirallas and Deulofeu.

Gareth Clark
37 Posted 21/10/2016 at 12:06:21
Stekelenburg;
Coleman, Williams, Jagielka, Funes Mori, Oviedo;
Gueye, Barry;
Barkley;
Lukaku, Bolasie.

Subs: Robles, Holgate, McCarthy, Cleverley, Deulofeu, Mirallas, Valencia.

Don Alexander
38 Posted 21/10/2016 at 12:16:14
Those of us old enough to remember the likes of Alan Hudson at Chelsea, or especially Tony Currie at Sheffield Utd, both of whom did next to nowt for England and never really fulfilled their promise at club level despite the whole country identifying them as dogs bollocks attacking midfielders from the get-go, may see as I do that our Ross, our dear Ross, is destined for the same fate.

I wish it wasn't so and I don't want to upset him or anyone else but I just feel he's lacking some mongrel between his ears. Great midfielders have it but, given his age and what we've now not seen for years, we'll just have to reconcile ourselves, unfortunately, to the fact that Ross is a really nice lad who never wants to rile anyone, in an opposition shirt or not.

Jay Wood
39 Posted 21/10/2016 at 12:19:12
I agree with Tim @ 9. Ross was one of the few standouts last season... from August to around February, then – like the entire team – tailed off badly.

For me, last season, he consistently showed an ability to receive the ball, turn, shrug off and surge away from challenges and lay the ball off well which unbalanced the opposition's defensive formation as 2-3 players were drawn in to forlornly challenge – and fail – to close Ross down.

The set-up is different this season and Ross has upped his off-the-ball work-rate, but his decent pre-season form hasn't quite fired yet. Even so, as John @ 12 says, even given his relatively 'poor' form, he remains our most creative playmaker.

It's a big season for Ross, of that there is no doubt. Dropped by England, dropped by Everton, and regularly subbed out doesn't on the surface augur well for him.

However, I think our no-nonsense manager is a perfect fit for him. Koeman has sung his virtues, but also made it clear he now has to deliver on his potential and promise.

I'm in the camp firmly believing our Ross will come good on that potential and promise.

Tom Bowers
40 Posted 21/10/2016 at 12:29:53
Ross hasn't quite turned into the superstar we all hoped. Decision-making is still a problem but the same can be said of others in the squad.

Bolassie, so far has not really set the world alight nor Deulofeu but the team hasn't fared badly and dare I say looks better than last season but they have to start winning games.

I would put Ross back in tomorrow and also replace Deulofeu with Lennon.

Tony J Williams
41 Posted 21/10/2016 at 12:44:10
Danny (#27) – Get out of my mind, you witch doctor...
Thomas Lennon
42 Posted 21/10/2016 at 12:57:01
There was one moment during the Crystal Palace game in the opponents half when the ball went past the halfway line and a Palace defender was chasing it and after hesitating Barkley suddenly ran at full speed for 20 yards to get involved. The fact that it stood out to me suggested that a) he was capable of speed I hadn't seen before this season; and b) he could do a lot more of it.

Fundamentally he needs to impose himself (he does seem to be getting better at this) and stop losing possession – he would have been a liability against Man City and in the Champions League – a joke. Koeman is building a side capable of stifling the top sides; he will not be tolerated past this season if we can get the players in we need.

Brent Stephens
43 Posted 21/10/2016 at 13:09:20
Satisfaction levels are in part a function of expectations. I suspect our dissatisfaction with Ross is partly because we saw so much in him in his early development and set our expectations high. I think it's "we" who have hyped Ross; I've never heard the lad say a word to hype himself. I really, really wish the lad could kick on (literally!) just a wee bit more.

Tony Twist
44 Posted 21/10/2016 at 13:20:41
He needs some character training or army assault-course training, anything to bring the man out of the boy. He needs to govern matches, play like his life depends on it. Having said that, so do a lot of the other first teamers.

Fair comments by Koeman but who have we got to replace him? Cleverley, god help us!

Anthony Hughes
45 Posted 21/10/2016 at 13:46:23
So far this season whilst Koeman has been concentrating on getting us tight at the back we haven't been a free-flowing attacking machine, which has probably affected Ross' game. He's never going to be a defensive minded midfielder and possibly only when we are focusing more on our creative and attacking tactics then Ross may start to look like the player we all hope he can become.
John Daley
46 Posted 21/10/2016 at 13:54:30
"First in an occasional series - 'If Ronald was a...' "

Mind if I have a go Eugene?

If Ronald Was A: Department Store Santa:

"Ho. Ho. Ho. 

Sit on my knee, not-so-little boy.

Oooff!! Jesus wept. You weigh a fucking tonne. You will not be getting any chocolate for Christmas this year, that is for certain. 

I was intending to ask you if you had been a good boy since last Christmas, but that is clearly irrelevant as of right now. You have obviously been a very, very lazy boy to blow up to such elephantine proportions at your barely pre-school age. 

I have no doubt your parents are thoroughly ashamed to be seen out in public with you, especially during the summer months when the weather is such that they have no choice but to dress you in a shorts and t-shirt combo barely capable of containing your blubbery arse, belly and wee man boobs. 

I have had the pleasure of telling lots and lots of little boys today that they will be waking on Christmas morning to find shiny new bicycles waiting under their tree. You will also awaken to find a very special present from Santa, but it will not be a bicycle. No. It will not.

Rather, your present will be a really long piece of knotted rope for you to tie around your waist and attach to the back of a normal sized kids bike, so you can run behind them everywhere you go, gasping buckets and sweating like a bitch, until you lose the excess beef. Fat boy.

Merry Christmas. Ho Ho Ho.

Now, move. Move! Move Monster Munch!!

Next!!

You must stand little girl. My legs are fucking killing me now"

Eugene Ruane
47 Posted 21/10/2016 at 14:10:47
Tut John!

Wish you hadn't made the kid a fatty, you'll just start loads of them off again..

"That kid sounds like Barkley, a fuckin' fat-arsed, useless, lazy..." etc

By the way, Christmas not far off now – let's hope Ronald doesn't decide on a Zwarte Piet themed club video.

I can just see the headlines..

"EVERTON IN VILE CHRISTMAS RACE ROW VIDEO – POSSIBLE BAN SAY UEFA"

John Daley
48 Posted 21/10/2016 at 14:21:37
It's just the accent Eugene. The video Koeman said he wants Everton to knock together prior to Christmas is of the Black Sheep, not Pete.

Wants to get a compo of Niasse's goals for the Under-23s ready for the January sales, that's all.

Terry Underwood
49 Posted 21/10/2016 at 15:16:19
Ross seems to have polarised opinion amongst blues. I really, really hope he can sort his head out. He needs to learn, sometimes a simple short pass is the right thing. Nessi doesn't set out on a mazy run every time he gets the ball, he waits for the opening. Ross will never be a Nessi, but the principle is the same.
Eugene Ruane
50 Posted 21/10/2016 at 15:25:13
John, sadly I think it's only us who get duped by video compilations.

Remember, Niasse already had a vid that made it look like his Dad was Pelé (and so was his mam).

Sadly it was only us who jumped in feet-first like a mug-punter in Oxford St.

Arsenal (whispers to Everton): "A bottle of Chanel No 5 for six nicker, that's a great deal Scouse"

Everton (clutching wad): "Really? ..Give us a bottle over here lad!"

(Arsenal shuffles off sniggering and muttering 'you mag')

Alan Bodell
51 Posted 21/10/2016 at 15:31:26
He is a grounded humble lad that has it all in his locker but confidence is a killer and Koeman has seen it all around his career so rather than Billy brown shoes in his ear I think he will step up again under a realist.
John Pierce
52 Posted 21/10/2016 at 16:10:59
This one is nice easy. Forget your stats, don't apologise for the lad and stop blaming other influences for his decline.

When Ross first came through, I used to get out of my seat in excitement that something would happen. Now I don't, that's the difference in the player in the last 3 years

Oh, all this talk of Ross's lockers on this thread will drive Niasse to distraction, poor lad!

Ray Roche
53 Posted 21/10/2016 at 16:25:04
Alan, he'd have it all in his locker if they'd give him one.
Dan Egerton
54 Posted 21/10/2016 at 16:27:56
They put him in a creative mid position, but he isn't a mid or creative. He's a striker. Put him up front.
Brent Stephens
55 Posted 21/10/2016 at 16:41:51
Ray #53 - nice one! I'll pay that!
Steven Kendrew
56 Posted 21/10/2016 at 16:59:37
I love Barkley but he is under-performing. For those that do Fantasy Football (Fantasy Premier League), check his stats. He is halfway down the second page of Midfielders and currently on the same points as Bolasie and below Barry, which is quite telling. I also don't have him in my team, not that I am a guru or anything.

Let's hope he can do the business for the rest of the season.

Michael Polley
57 Posted 21/10/2016 at 17:17:40
Koeman will try to get the best out of him, but I agree with previous posts – this season will make or break him.
Alan Bodell
58 Posted 21/10/2016 at 17:34:21
Ray, Brent, not with you lads about his 'locker' or not?
Eddie Dunn
59 Posted 21/10/2016 at 17:43:30
The BBC article was a disgrace.

Dele Alli has had drops in form, as did others without this kind of media assassination. One of the problems with society at the moment is that you have to be either for something, or completely against it. Barkley a world-beater, or Barkley a total waste of space, better off cleaning the bogs at Finch Farm.

Maybe he won't turn out as good as Rooney, but he is still young, and is still learning, as we all are. Koeman might yet improve him.

Ray Roche
60 Posted 21/10/2016 at 17:44:05
Alan. Niasse hasn't even been given a locker at Finch Farm to keep his kit in. Bit shabby, don't you think?
Ian Herbert
61 Posted 21/10/2016 at 18:02:10
Swap Barkley for Rooney!!!!?

Did I really just read that, or have I finally had one San Miguel too many!!!!!!!!!!?

Alan Bodell
62 Posted 21/10/2016 at 18:19:41
Ray, thanks. for the heads-up, mate. I'm with it now... but Niasse is starting to lash a few in for the U23 boys. Hopefully someone will snap him up and take a few bob off us.
Kristian Boyce
63 Posted 21/10/2016 at 18:31:15
A couple years back, Martinez was praised for his handling of Barkley. Allowing him the opportunity to play, but also affording him the numerous mistakes that he had during a game. This was something that we wouldn't've seen under Moyes, and was at the time a breath of fresh air.

Unfortunately, Barkley is still in that mode, and finally he has a manager who is punishing his mistakes, and quite rightly so. Koeman highlighted that he isn't a 'young' player anymore and has the live up to his responsibility.

Mark Morrissey
65 Posted 21/10/2016 at 18:48:24
I rate him, I like him, I've seen him play well and I've seen him play poorly. I'm stating the bleeding obvious here but I think RK is 100% right in his handling of Ross and I'm praying he comes good. Why ? because I think above everybody else including Bainsey, I think nobody wants to prove his worth more to the fans than Ross. He has blue blood and for me that really matters. I'd hate to see him lose his place. I'd rather see us win with Ross than win without him. I think he's an honest john. Come on Ross, prove your worth, you've got it in your locker, you just need to un bottle it
Peter Mills
66 Posted 21/10/2016 at 19:02:58
It's possible for a coach to help develop a player's attitude, positional awareness, decision making and work rate. A coach cannot introduce natural talent where it is absent.

Ross has talent. So, on all the other matters, there is hope that Mr Koeman can bring out the player that lurks within Ross Barkley.

Rick Tarleton
67 Posted 21/10/2016 at 19:30:13
Being old, I can remember many great players and in style, the player whom Barkley reminds me of is Bobby Charlton. He's two-footed can glide past people and can shoot. Like Charlton his passing game is restricted and his tackling, closing down game is poor. The game has changed and players now need to do more when they do not have possession.
Nevertheless, Barkley has talent, he has the ability to change a game. Players like Gueye, McCarthy, Barry can close games down, they can mark the space and make interventions, tackles nowadays are so rare, they don't matter, but they cannot do what Barkley can do.
Give the lad a chance, I repeat, no Merseyside talent since Harvey has been a better mid-fielder with more creative skill and that is the key word. Cross-country runners like Henderson and even Pogba are in abundance, as are destroyers like Gueye, Barry etc. as are the flash boys like Dela Alli, but Barkley's skill set is of a higher dimension. His confidence is very low and no wonder the way we treat him at Goodison, where his every effort is greeted with a collective groan.
I repeat give this very talented player a chance, build his confidence, don't destroy it.

The obsession with closing down, pressing will soon be shown to be wrong. Guardiola, Pochetinno, Klopp, by the end of a full season in England their players will be on their knees. You can't rest players here like you can in Spain or Germany. What happened to the wonderful Harry Kane last season and to Sturridge under the German idiot is symptomatic of what will happen if this style persists. Koeman is of their ilk as a manager , he loves the cross-country runners, not the footballers.

Geoff Evans
68 Posted 21/10/2016 at 19:54:39
Ross Barkley being compared to Bobby Charlton, I'd love to think so!
Garry Corgan
69 Posted 21/10/2016 at 20:14:54
I'm not saying Ross is lazy, but the rumour is that Martinez told him he wanted him to sweat – so Ross put three stone on.
Richard Dodd
70 Posted 21/10/2016 at 20:17:13
I would have said 'contrasted' was a more appropriate verb, Geoff!
Brian Harrison
71 Posted 21/10/2016 at 20:17:36
Rick

How you can compare Ross to a truly great player like Bobby Charlton is bordering on madness. Not only have I been going to Goodison since 1956, I also used to go to Old Trafford a few times a season. Charlton was for me the best England player I ever saw, he could do everything. His goalscoring record for England has only just been surpassed by Rooney.

I am sure every club in world football would have tried to sign Charlton had Man Utd ever put him up for sale. But I would be amazed if any of the top eight clubs would put a bid in for Barkley if Everton put him up for sale. He can't get into the England squad and now he has been left out of the Everton team. I can't recall Charlton ever being left out of England or Man Utd teams; only if injured.

So Guardiola, Klopp & Pochettino are all playing the wrong style of football? I can only assume you have consumed large quantities of alcohol today, as I can't think any sane person would put Barkley in the same bracket as Charlton.

Don Alexander
72 Posted 21/10/2016 at 20:18:19
Until 1970 Bobby Charlton did have the odd world-class team-mate most of the time, which helps anyone else in the team. As yet, I've yet to see any of our lads be awarded that sort of accolade, well not since Alex Nyarko, the world-class twat, at any rate.
Ian Riley
73 Posted 21/10/2016 at 20:50:34
This is down to Martinez saying how brilliant, world class, ross is. Koeman was a world class player and played with world class players. Ross has fallen from a great height. Everyone knew the player Martinez was watching was not what the fans were seeing. When he was struggling Martinez should have taken him out of the firing line.

This is a kick up the arse. Ross must knuckle down and learn from what the manager expects. Ross perhaps has become complacent about his place in the team. Big six months coming up!!

Martin Mason
74 Posted 21/10/2016 at 21:02:24
Charlton was one of the best passers of the ball that I have seen. It's a revision of history and fact to say he wasn't. Ross still has the potential to be as good or even better or also to go down the pan as a failure. We need to get behind the lad for a change.
Geoff Evans
75 Posted 21/10/2016 at 21:22:22
Rick (#67):

You don't just influence games and results by scoring beautiful goals – you also do it by making sure you do the ugly things right. The players you dismiss as destroyers create a platform to build on that hopefully the more (so-called) eye-catching players can go on to exploit. There is room in any top side for both.

To help players Barkley to flourish, it's unfair to pile more pressures on them by comparing them to one of the all-time great world footballers like Bobby Charlton.

Every Evertonian wants Ross to flourish, but let's first get to the point where he becomes a consistent performer and a regular choice first and take it from there.

Rick Tarleton
77 Posted 22/10/2016 at 06:26:58
Geoff, of course you need the destroyers, but you need the creators, I know you can't have only one type of player. Barkley isn't a Charlton, but his style is reminiscent, he moves and glides past player similarly, Charlton didn't dribble as such, he used his skill to move the ball away from players.

Crerand, was the "passer" in the Manchester United team and as for Bryan, I've been watching Everton since 53-4, so there, it doesn't make me more or less qualified to pass an opinion. For England, Alf Ramsey created a style built on the old Tottenham give-and-go, push-and-run, and Charlton rarely used long passes.

My point is that Barkley needs to be seen as a positive in the Everton team, not a negative. He must hear the sound every time he makes a mistake, something that is almost unique to him. Stones is now the centre of the England defence – at Goodison, we treated him as a liability; we aren't always kind to young players.

Brian, cast your mind back and Derek Temple was treated similarly in his early years when he was used as a centre or inside forward. Please, give the lad some encouragement. That's all.

Les Martin
78 Posted 22/10/2016 at 09:27:48
I think we would all love to see what Ronald is actually doing with Ross behind the scenes. I don't ever see Ross lacking effort, although he was carrying too much muscle last season that saw him tire late on.

Will Ronald learn him how to tackle and head the ball properly? As Ross has wonderful skills to add to this. Or is it that we have seen what he has and that's it?

This is a fascinating scenario which we all hope works out for Ross and the club.

John McGimpsey
79 Posted 22/10/2016 at 13:00:35
I hope the kid comes good as it seems there could be a witch hunt or something more sinister in the ramblings. Big Rom was everything from a snake to a rat till Stones got sold, let's hope Ross is not the funds for January and 33,000 season ticket holders have been conned again.

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