Everton appoint Keith Harris to Board of Directors

Friday 28 October 2016  79 Comments  [Jump to last]

Keith Harris, the former London banker whom Everton enlisted to help seek investors in the club over the past few years February now been appointed to the Board of Directors.

Harris was previously chairman of the Football League and spent six years as Director of Wembley National Stadium until 2007 but became noted as a broker in the sale and purchase of a number of football clubs, among them Chelsea, Crystal Palace, Swansea City, West Ham United, Aston Villa, Fulham, Manchester City, and is credited with bringing Farhad Moshiri to the table at Goodison Park leading to his purchase of a 49.9% stake in the Toffees in February.

“I am truly delighted to be joining the club at such an exciting time," Harris said upon the announcement of his appointment. "I've known the chairman and Mr Moshiri for a long time, so I have a good understanding of their ambition. I have visited Goodison Park numerous times over the years and really enjoy the authenticity of the club and passion of the fans.

"The atmosphere I experienced at Goodison for the FA Cup tie against Chelsea last season reminded me just how special Everton is and I am looking forward to sharing many more experiences like that in the future.”


Harris, 63, joins long-stannding Chairman Bill Kenwright and deputy chairman Jon Woods on a newly expanded Everton Board of Directors which is rounded out by CEO Robert Elstone, Moshiri's representative Sasha Ryazantsev and deputy CEO Denise Barrett-Baxendale.

“We've strengthened our board significantly over the last six months and I'm really pleased that we've been able to add even more experience by bringing Keith in," Kenwright said.

"He has a unique set of credentials and experience, combining roles at the highest level of international business with some of the most senior positions within football in this country, and will be a great asset.”

Quotes sourced from Liverpool Echo


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Patrick Murphy
1 Posted 28/10/2016 at 16:00:52
The news that Keith Harris (the one without the sickly looking duck) has been appointed on to Everton's Board reminds me that the possible arrival of Rooney, the 'vision' of a new Stadium on the docks, and the heralding of a new era in the club's history...

Just how many years have passed without much progress? All we'll need is a return of the Ginger One at some point down the line and operation EFC II will be complete!

John Keating
2 Posted 28/10/2016 at 16:55:14
Yet another unwanted from United. Still it's nice to see professionals coming on the Board as opposed to Blue Bills cronies.
Jay Harris
3 Posted 28/10/2016 at 16:55:32
This news has me worried.

Not because I don't rate Keith Harris but because its another Kenwright acolyte and I was hoping we would see the back of Kenwright and his regime.

Craig Walker
4 Posted 28/10/2016 at 16:59:44
Does that make Kenwright Orville? "Ronald. Who is your very best friend? I'm gonna help you mend. Your broken team".
Michael Kenrick
5 Posted 28/10/2016 at 17:13:10
This popped on Google:

Keith Harris' firm Seymour Pierce on the brink of collapse

Not clear what happened with that... wasn't he the bloke trying to find investors for Kenwright over a period of many, many years?

Colin Fitzpatrick
6 Posted 28/10/2016 at 17:34:38
There are no words
Matthew Williams
7 Posted 28/10/2016 at 17:38:12
More jobs for the boys...jeez.
Jay Wood
9 Posted 28/10/2016 at 17:44:10
I see the mavericks have already edited his Wikipage biog:

"In October of 2016, Harris was appointed to the board of Everton FC. At the time of writing it is unknown if Dr Harris will be accompanied by the green duck and orange monkey."

There is no questioning his long pedigree or association with high profile companies and individuals over many years. As in all walks of life, I am sure there have been failures as well as successes.

Putting aside he is a self-declared lifelong Man Utd fan, very instrumental in the Red Knights movement who tried to wrest control from the Glazers a few years ago, let's hope he can bring something concrete to the table that benefits the club and moves us forward.

I see this as further consolidation of Moshiri's position, rather than a Kenwright-inspired appointment as some are suggesting.

Dave Williams
11 Posted 28/10/2016 at 17:56:10
Who cares if he is a Kenwright appointment, friend or whatever. His CV speaks for itself – one of the most prominent men in the financial circles of football with a bulging contacts book which will be a huge help in obtaining finance for a new stadium. This appointment is a very positive sign to me that the stadium is going to happen and Harris will play a leading role together with Moshiri in putting it all together – we'd hardly need him, would we, if a stay at Goodison was on the cards.

Great move!

Ian Jones
12 Posted 28/10/2016 at 17:56:42
I get the impression that some fans just want to moan about anything to do with Everton.

I have no idea whether this is good news or bad news.

Let's embrace it and hope for the best.

Richard Dodd
13 Posted 28/10/2016 at 18:06:52
Dr Harris's appointment to the Board can only help the Club in raising the cash to finance a new stadium. Like Moshiri, he won't be lobbing his money in but will know who to borrow it from.
Paul Doyle
15 Posted 28/10/2016 at 18:33:53
A carpet bagger who is sniffing out a big pay day on the horizon. Calls himself a "Doctor" to add credibility like other respected doctors Paisley and Amin.

You couldn't make this shit up; this clown advised Billy Liar to sell Rooney, probably got a chop out of that deal...

The only positive I can see is that, if these parasites see Everton as the next big thing, then my prayers of us winning anything may come true.

Tony Dove
16 Posted 28/10/2016 at 18:36:03
Hopefully he won't be Kenwright's puppet...
Stan Schofield
17 Posted 28/10/2016 at 18:40:12
Don't know much about the guy, but it must be a good move. We still seem to be troubled by injuries, so another Dr is most welcome.
Clive Rogers
18 Posted 28/10/2016 at 18:45:15
Michael (#5),

He has arranged the sale of quite a few clubs. To me, this means that Kenwright never really wanted to sell or later refused to give up his chairmanship as he has with Moshiri.

Patrick Murphy
20 Posted 28/10/2016 at 19:24:47
Topbalcony.com has an article assessing the new board member's success or otherwise during his career in football.

Keith Harris and his football past
Stephen Brown
21 Posted 28/10/2016 at 19:34:28
Ian Jones (#12),

I have to agree with you! Surely nobody on this site knows much about this man so let's give him time to see how he shapes up?!

The likelihood is he goes about his business in the background and we never hear much about him again! Good luck to him!

Patrick Murphy
22 Posted 28/10/2016 at 19:39:37
Ian (#12) and Stephen (#21) If you read the link provided in my previous post and the links within that article, you might not be as hopeful; however, despite his track record being a little chequered, he is here now and we can only hope that he has learnt some important lessons.
Tony Hill
23 Posted 28/10/2016 at 19:42:41
Yes, Patrick, a revealing link. An old friend of Bill's is just what the doctor ordered in our new, dynamic era. I'm sure he's a different chap from the one who was giving his views in 2008 and who failed, temporarily I'm sure, to deliver on his brief.
Julian Wait
26 Posted 28/10/2016 at 20:31:26
The people spreading rumours of Bramley-Moore Duck obviously weren't monkeying around ...
Mick Davies
27 Posted 28/10/2016 at 20:59:22
We need a creative midfielder, a top class goalie and a 2nd striker, and what do we get? Another stinking rich 'city gangster' mate of Bungle o'le Bill.
Stephen Brown
28 Posted 28/10/2016 at 21:05:04
Patrick (#22)

I take it all back! Doesn't look great but I'm trying to be more optimistic!

Brian Wilkinson
29 Posted 28/10/2016 at 21:20:51
Bloody hell, I am not one of Bill's big fans but give the guy some slack and see if we can have one forum without Bill getting dragged into it.

Dave Williams
30 Posted 28/10/2016 at 21:22:14
I take your point, Patrick, but I can't see Harris doing any deals as Moshiri will be heading that department. My guess is Harris has been taken on because he has a wealth of football knowledge business-wise and a load of contacts who will be useful concerning the new stadium.

Moshiri is the guy with a proven track record in business and I doubt he will entrust someone else with his money but, like all good businessmen, he will surround himself with knowledgeable people who he can sound out before making the decisions himself.

Harris may have an iffy track record but I have met an awful lot of guys over the years in a similar position but who have great business knowledge and can be of a lot of use to someone like Moshiri. Time will tell, no doubt.

Tony Hill
31 Posted 28/10/2016 at 21:24:47
The last two appointments to the Board have been Ms Barrett-Baxendale who is a charity/community person and this man whose record is decidedly mixed.

When Moshiri arrived, I believed as did many that he heralded a decisive, well-funded and Kenwright-free regime (though I worried about Bill hanging on). We just got fooled again.

Patrick Murphy
32 Posted 28/10/2016 at 21:30:27
A more worrying testimonial about Mr Harris by David Prentice from the Echo some five years ago:-

Nothing To Write Home About

Dave Williams
33 Posted 28/10/2016 at 21:35:36
For someone who is being dismissed as a failure and a poor appointment, Harris has a bloody good CV. Look at the advisory roles he has had, the executive and board level roles with blue chip companies – this is not some chancer who has blagged his way around some of the top clubs and top companies around.

He has certainly had some failures or at least been unable to deliver but trying to sell a football club in the last recession could not have been easy and does not mean that the guy has nothing to offer. Our current board did not have a football finance specialist until now and the only reason surely for appointing him is that the stadium is going to happen and they want him on hand to advise.

Steve Hogan
34 Posted 28/10/2016 at 21:42:45
The recent appointment of 'football finance expert' Keith Harris to the Everton board of directors, raises more questions than answers. Despite a CV boasting some impressive high-profile roles over the last 20 years, the man has some spectacular failures as well.

In 2008, he was appointed by Kenwright to find a buyer for the club. This resulted in two hoax purchaser's including the infamous 'man in a one-bedroomed flat', before he eventually admitted to Everton being 'hard to sell' because of our geographical position in the UK, and our proximity to a certain club in red.

Couple that with the introduction of Thaksin Shinawa to Manchester City, where 14 months later he was deemed 'not a fit and proper person' and was later accused of corruption in his native Thailand.

He was also charged with buying Manchester United back from the Glazer's as well as being responsible for the sale of Newcastle on behalf of Mike Ashley, neither of which have come to anything. Certainly the majority of his football 'projects' have resulted in abject failure.

This move ultimately stinks of Bill Kenwright's clammy hand as an 'introducer', but ultimately would have had to be sanctioned by Moshiri, which is disappointing as I was convinced our resident maestro was being 'managed out' by the side door. Instead, we see him still being influential in major decisions which will affect the club.

The only reason I see Harris being appointed in this fashion is because of his previous financial background in the sector and the promise of 'bringing external investment' in, possibly to aid the funding of the new ground? If so, what of Moshiri and his role? We were led to believe that his background was one where he had the connections and contacts in all the right places, particularly in the City of London. Also, just how much of his own capital is he now prepared to put into the Everton project?

It really is about time someone from within the club made a comprehensive statement about where the club is, concerning the Bramley-Moore Dock development, instead of fedding us titbits via the long distance lens of an Echo photographer. All we've seen so far is a group of Crombie-dressed figures resembling the cast of Reservoir Dogs assembled on a desolate dockside.

I hope to God all my fears are unfounded and in the next couple of months an official announcement is made by the club concerning the new ground development. However, I simply don't trust Kenwright to get it right as far as major developments are concerned with regard to our football club.
Chris Williams
35 Posted 28/10/2016 at 22:26:27
All the business experts out tonight, I see!
Patrick Murphy
36 Posted 28/10/2016 at 22:30:05
Sorry for yet another post about Mr Harris, but two interesting pieces if somewhat aged articles. I, like most ordinary supporters, don't know whether the guy will prove good or bad for Everton FC but obviously those in power at the club must think he will be an asset, why else would they appoint him?


Football's Mr Fixit

Can we really trust the football men?

Patrick Murphy
37 Posted 28/10/2016 at 22:32:50
All the cynics who criticise supporters for showing an interest in the club they support out tonight I see!
Steve Hogan
38 Posted 28/10/2016 at 22:50:30
Happy to respond to those punter's who may consider my response to the original article as rather cynical. I'm no business expert either, but I'm weary of any individual associated with my football club, whose last company went into liquidation (in 2013 I believe) owing £6m to creditors.

Now there's a factual reason to be suspicious.

Tony Dove
39 Posted 28/10/2016 at 22:58:57
Steve @34 a good serious post although I think the reference should have been to The Usual Suspects rather than Reservoir Dogs. The Orville-related posts are probably a more realistic view of the new appointment. Like all recent events – including Moshiri, Koeman and the [next] new stadium – only time will tell whether any of them has any substance or merit.
Thomas Lennon
40 Posted 28/10/2016 at 23:03:59
So we now have a fixer to go with money man, football/club man, community woman on the board. Where is the marketing businessman?

Harris could have done all his fixing as a paid consultant, why the interest in a job on the board with no financial stake in the business? He is getting paid somehow.

Steve Hogan
41 Posted 28/10/2016 at 23:05:22
Tony (39) I agree, time will tell I guess. After so many false dawns, we all want the new administration to succeed.
Dan Davies
42 Posted 28/10/2016 at 23:24:11
Welcome to the Everton Family, Mr Keith Harris.

Onwards and upwards. COYBB.

Karl Masters
43 Posted 28/10/2016 at 23:42:59
I'm suspicious of a Man Utd fan in our Board.

Reminds me of a Spurs fan we just got shot of in February who was a supposed maestro in business but only attended a couple of our matches in 9 years and appeared to contribute nothing whatsoever.

If he's not getting paid, why's he here? Got to be something in it for him, but what?

Cynical yes, but this is football, this is Everton.

Damian Wilde
44 Posted 28/10/2016 at 23:45:35
Seems like some welcome him with open arms without even considering if this is a good thing or not.

He has known Bill Kenwright a long time... doesn't feel right to me. Not happy with this one.

Les Martin
45 Posted 28/10/2016 at 00:02:43
The board know what they are doing so chill out the faithful and relax.
Michael Kenrick
46 Posted 29/10/2016 at 00:39:50
This looks like being another classic TW thread where the same information about Harris's appointment elicits diametrically opposite analyses from the interested as to what this means for EFC.

Dave Williams sees mostly good things, and appears to ignore a rather shady resume that looms front and centre for Steve Hogan. How do you process such a range?

Perception being far, far more important than reality, such diversity can only be explained by confirmation bias right across the spectrum as the information we are all basing it on is surely exactly the same?

Patrick has been posting some cracking stuff, and this one paragraph caught my eye:

A ‘growth play' can be made through debt management and, as we know, football clubs tend to be run on debt. Remove historic debt that has to be paid to someone else (here is where administration comes in handy) and add debt that benefits the club (whether this is nominally from owners, unpaid fees for services rendered or from third parties such as ‘passive investors') and you get a kind of repetitive ‘debt on, debt off' manoeuvre. Third party debt can include a mark (to be exploited) or from those wishing to move money into a vehicle for various motives (legal or less than legal). Debt is what the modern football world is built upon as it allows tax-free income streams to occur.

I can't even begin to understand what it means but, having watched the massive manipulations of our debt over the years, AN the minimal / zero company tax paid, I'm sure this has an awful lot to do with explaining exactly how Everton FC Co Ltd is being run.

Andrew Presly
47 Posted 29/10/2016 at 00:43:03
Meet the new boss / board ......
Eugene Ruane
48 Posted 29/10/2016 at 01:40:15
Karl (43) - 'I'm suspicious of a Man Utd fan in our Board.'

There might be good reasons not to trust him, but as far as I'm concerned, that isn't one of them.

Remember, we have 'the biggest Evertonian in the world' on our board and if that particular shifty, fat-headed Tom Pepper told me my name was Eugene Ruane, I'd immediately check my birth certificate.

Liam Reilly
51 Posted 29/10/2016 at 08:42:42
Yeah, the club should only work with nice people.

If you want serious investment, then Bankers are a necessary evil, so why not put one on your board and give him some skin in the game?

Les Martin
52 Posted 29/10/2016 at 10:17:15
A former director of the new Wembley, this appears to sit nicely with an Everton ground move.

Good to see someone now on the board with ideas of running a new stadium and Everton seeing the bigger picture, unlike some of the cynical postings on here who cant!

Richard Dodd
53 Posted 29/10/2016 at 10:17:17
Blue Bill's mate who brought Moshiri to the party? Seems a possibility that his reward was in Everton shares when Seymour Pierce went 'tits up'?

Does Orville now hold the balance of power between Kenwright and the disappointing Iranian?

Despite my initial enthusiasm over the appointment, Patrick Murphy has sowed more than a few doubts. Not much has changed on or off the field. Bill continues to call the shots as the team heads towards mid-table.

Tony Abrahams
54 Posted 29/10/2016 at 10:27:20
I'm glad you highlighted that paragraph of Patrick's, Michael. I think it's the fact that Harris has been connected to Kenwright in the past, that is most worrying.

Colin Fitz posted a few weeks ago that he felt there could be a power struggle going on behind the scenes at Everton and, after reading post 6, I don't think this latest move fills me with much confidence...

Lee Whitehead
55 Posted 29/10/2016 at 10:29:02
Does anyone on this site really believe Bill is still pulling the strings? He is a figurehead... FULL STOP.

This appointment has Moshiri written all over it and it is a good indication that things are moving at a rapid pace behind the scene.

Keith Harris is at the forefront of raising capital for business development and we will need a lot of capital in the near future.

As I see it, Farhad Moshiri has installed him to start looking for the best ways to move forward on the new stadium, ie, planning, finance, development, naming rights, size etc.

I think it's a positive move – "but only time will tell".

COYB

Dave Abrahams
56 Posted 29/10/2016 at 11:13:34
The simple fact is Billy Liar just will not let go of Everton. He'll go to his grave clinging to the club without putting any money into Everton that will help the club.

Even now, after getting a mint out of Everton FC, he's a leech who puts a downer on every aspect of the club each time something good seems to be happening; he is nothing less than a curse on a lot of us supporters.

Alan J Thompson
57 Posted 29/10/2016 at 11:15:43
Eugene (#48); have you checked it yet? What did you find? 126 Smithdown Road?
Tony Abrahams
58 Posted 29/10/2016 at 11:35:40
Les (#52), some people call it cynical, whilst others would say it was like looking through clear glass. I hope you're right about the stadium, Les, even if I personally think Wembley is a bit of a white elephant.

When Germany hosted the 2006 World Cup, I read somewhere that they built "six new stadiums" and "upgraded" two more, and altogether the cost was only a little bit more than the New Wembley?

Dave Williams
59 Posted 29/10/2016 at 11:38:17
No-one who plays in the arena of high-level corporate finance is going to have an unblemished reputation and the fact that Harris had some difficulties in the worst recession of modern times is merely what most would expect.

He has been playing with the big boys and to do so you have to be able to wheel and deal, duck and dive etc, in order to get the investor to think he is getting a great deal whilst at the same time persuading the vendor to think the same – not easy with this level of businessmen.

I don't think he has been brought in to run the financial side of the club – I think that will stay in Moshiri's control. Bill is influential to a degree, I suspect, but with 49.9% and overall control due to the absentee shareholders, Moshiri will be calling the shots.

I think Harris is on board for the stadium project. Moshiri will not want to pour in £300 m of his own money (or whatever the figure will be) and Harris will be able to help him in finding the cash required. With his experience of Wembley too, I think he is a sensible appointment as an advisor, not as a financial director.

We all like to think we know a lot about football but we don't have a clue how things operate behind the scenes. A mate of mine is Finance Director at a lower division club and the stuff he knows about how football works is mind-boggling. Years ago, I met a much maligned CEO of Everton and he astonished me at his depth of knowledge at how a club operates and the vast amount of red tape involved in some of the simplest matters. He may not have been a great CEO but boy he knew a lot. If any of us (possibly a few exclusions!!) took the role of a CEO for a week at a football club, we would be hopelessly lost. Trying to negotiate a players contract is a complete minefield and how they remain sane with transfer negotiations is a miracle.

I am in danger of losing my thread here – the purpose of my rambling is to try to show that football insiders know so much about the game off the pitch and such knowledge together with a great contact book is invaluable if we are going to go for the stadium and Keith Harris strikes me as having as good a CV as most to add expertise to our board for this purpose.

As a few have said already, we can all theorise but time will tell.

Three points tomorrow please!

Tony Abrahams
60 Posted 29/10/2016 at 11:46:09
Some good points, Dave, but to be astonished by someone knowing his job is what I find astonishing!
Dave Williams
61 Posted 29/10/2016 at 11:47:07
Tony – not if you had read fans opinions over the years first!
Tony Abrahams
62 Posted 29/10/2016 at 11:52:36
Fair enough, Dave... I'm sure "Mad Martin" will be on soon!
Dave Williams
63 Posted 29/10/2016 at 11:55:23
I wonder if he's away – I can't believe he has been so quiet on this??
Colin Glassar
64 Posted 29/10/2016 at 12:52:46
Welcome to EFC Mr Harris. Half the fans will love you; the other half will hate you, that's just the way it is with us. I'll sit on the fence on this one and wait and see what his impact, if any, will be.

I'm not sure what his role concerning the new Wembley was but wasn't that miles over budget and years behind schedule?

Tony Hill
65 Posted 29/10/2016 at 14:09:36
The ingredients are being carefully mixed for a classic Kenwright fudge pudding. He knows enough of us will always tuck in.

Prepare also for more heroic and tearful half-time moments. It's what Bill's Everton does best and I shall be surprised if Dr Keith has been hired to inject any rigour.

Paul Kossoff
66 Posted 29/10/2016 at 14:15:58
Will he bring in Norville? If he does we will be flying!! Oh hang on, this is Everton, and Norville apparently can't fly.
Paul Kossoff
67 Posted 29/10/2016 at 14:33:20
Patrick (#32), makes you wonder just what goes on at Everton where Kenwright is concerned, Jobs for the boys or Bill making sure he's still got the final say?
Jay Harris
68 Posted 29/10/2016 at 14:54:34
Just to shed some more light on it, I have a very good friend who knows Keith Harris well and I have spoken to him myself at the time we were up for sale.

He is a nice guy, has a wealth of experience, and has been very successful but apparently went totally off the rails when his son committed suicide.

I don't know whether he has now got over it or whether Bill is giving him a leg up on the road to recovery but the bad part of it for me is that Kenwright still seems to be wielding the power and surrounding himself with allies.

John Wilson
69 Posted 29/10/2016 at 16:57:00
This Harris character has a Ph D in Economics so he will know how to budget a club like Everton, and good with managing debts. He should be able to avoid Niasse and Martinez situations affected by commercial contracts from happening again.

He apparently made £400 million profit for an HSB Investment bank in 1994-99 [source: Wikipedia].

Harris has however had a number of Investment Banker and Director roles from 1994 with several Director roles for several companies still under 'active' status, with several resignations. The roles include Director for Cardiff City Football Club (resigned in 2010 after 2 years); in Wembley National Stadium Ltd (resigned in 2007 after 6 years), according to his corporate roles:

Appointments: Keith Reginald Harris (from Companies House)

Steven Jones
70 Posted 29/10/2016 at 17:03:22
All of this "Call the Shots" language and taking sides etc is just plain nonsense.

A board is a team and they collectively work together on a joint vision and guide the business.

Less of this naive Dallas soap opera talk.

He is a good addition to the team, no more no less. Good experience and we are going to need a rounded team at board level through the development of the new stadium and the growth of the new vision for Everton... just go with the flow!

Kim Vivian
74 Posted 29/10/2016 at 18:55:11
Busy man.

Without picking over all the links and connections (and I'm sorry – I have not had time to trawl through all the posts and links on here) he comes across as a sort of serial Business Angel-cum-Consultant Executive Director.

He does not seem like a shyster. His track record seems to be mainly successful and one has to understand that he is probably not actually running these businesses he is (or has been) involved with, and will be trusting in the capabilities of the key men in any particular enterprise. He will be bringing his own expertise to our table with the intention of underpinning and adding to our established strengths, and in doing so, he will have taken very serious stock of what he is getting involved in, and his involvement with EFC gives me optimism.

I mean this guy could probably leave work today and never do another stroke in his life, and he will not suffer financially, so I do not concur with any ridiculous ideas that he is in it for a quick earner. He will see some serious potential and with the top end executive structure we seem to be building, Everton, very soon, are likely to be a force to be reckoned with.

This all seems like a well thought-out progressive strategy to me and only time will tell... but seriously, who on here feels like Everton are standing still?

Gary Edwards
75 Posted 29/10/2016 at 19:12:20
Why is Harris' experience re: the 'new' Wembley deemed to be a positive? No doubting Harris was prominent in the development of the 'new' Wembley which was delivered late with quality / spec issues and, massively over-budget. The 'new' Wembley is generally considered to be a crippling, financial millstone around the FA's neck.

"There is no questioning his long pedigree or association with high profile companies..." – Oh yes there is, he's been involved in some very questionable business deals.

Harris is quite clearly a Kenwright appointment and I'm struggling to see any clear positives that his appointment brings to Everton.

It would be nice to get some understanding and transparency directly from Kenwright but, as that will never happen, my natural reaction is to worry about the future of my beloved club.

Jay Wood
76 Posted 29/10/2016 at 19:49:18
Ehrm, Gary @ 75

You lift my quote when you copy-pasted "There is no questioning his long pedigree or association with high profile companies..." and then put your own spin on it.

To make your point, you cut off my comment mid-sentence and did not include a second clause that immediately followed the first. I continued " ... and individuals over many years. As in all walks of life, I am sure there have been failures as well as successes."

Not mere semantics. The first clause is an accurate one. For more than 2 decades he was employed in various capacities with very big corporations - HSBC, British American Tobacco, Deutsche Bank, was Chairman of the Football League and director of Wembley Stadium, amongst others.

He has worked with extremely high profile business figures, including Kerry Packer, James Goldsmith, Roman Abramovich, Thaksin Shinawatra, Randy Lerner, Mohamed Fayed and now, our own Farhad Moshiri.

THAT is what I meant by his 'unquestionable' long pedigree and association with high profile companies (and individuals over many years ... the bit you cut off).

The second clause CLEARLY states in his career he has probably had successes and failures.

Now would I personally invite some of those names into my home for a cuppa and slice of carrot cake? I don't think so. But there is no denying they are hard-arsed business men who only hire the best.

Overall, I am completely neutral about his appointment because (probably like everyone else in this thread) I have absolutely no idea what his role or remit on the board is.

Yes, I am hopeful that "he can bring something concrete to the table that benefits the club and moves us forward."

I am certainly not ready to praise him as either a new Financial Messiah or condemn him outright as a Kenwright lackey, as you clearly (your description) do.

Unlike you (and others) I see this as further consolidation of Moshiri's position, rather than a Kenwright-inspired appointment.

Just my opinion... errr... like.

Darren Hind
77 Posted 29/10/2016 at 21:06:40
Shinawatra and Lerner...???

"only hire the best"??

Who knew?

James Flynn
78 Posted 29/10/2016 at 21:52:05
My guess would be that Moshiri, being one himself under Usminov (out of the Russian business-world no less), sees this fellow as a good middleman who can put the right people together to get a deal done.

Have to add it's a curiosity some folk in here think his signing is a Kenwright one. Kenwright wields no power. Strange the effect he has on some that they think he still has any kind of final say on EFC operations.

Jay Wood
79 Posted 29/10/2016 at 22:09:05
Still ignoring my posts I see Darren.

Who knew...?

Chuckle-chuckle!

Jay Harris
80 Posted 29/10/2016 at 23:11:14
James,

The reason we think he is a Kenwright appointment is that he was originally appointed by Kenwright 10 years ago to sell the club and it is well known fact that the two have been very close since,

In other words, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck.... it is more than likely a duck.

Darren Hind
81 Posted 30/10/2016 at 02:54:43
Not anymore, Jay. I now know they are amongst the funniest on this site.

I find it hilarious that Mr copy-n-paste would come on bleating about somebody else giving him a taste of his own.

Learner and Shinawatra only "hire the best"?

Stop it... You're killing me here.

Paul Burns
82 Posted 30/10/2016 at 11:17:11
I'm gonna keep moaning until Everton win something.
Then I'm gonna moan some more.
Mike Allen
83 Posted 30/10/2016 at 11:30:30
The club has been in safe hands with Kenwright. I can't believe he takes all this flack, he is one of us and has done more for the club than any of the people slagging him off.

He has now got us in a position where we have a chance to move forward. The appointment of Martinez was not one of his best days but Martinez hoodwinked a lot more people than Kenwright.

Get real, chaps, look round the league and see the mess these foreign owners have got clubs into... millions going out of the game season after season. Mr Kenwright deserves more respect from his fellow supporters – he doesn't deserve some of the nonsense in these threads.

Colin Glassar
84 Posted 30/10/2016 at 11:32:55
I'm not too bothered about who sits on the board – I'm more interested in overhauling our recruitment department. In fact, I think I should be appointed!!

We missed out on Jermaine Lascalles (£3m), Dele Alli (£3m) and Moussa Dembele (£4m) – all players I strongly urged the club to buy at the time they were available. Lascalles is worth £18m today, Dembele £40m and Ali about the same according to the latest press reports. Criminal negligence IMO.

Jay Wood
85 Posted 30/10/2016 at 12:40:16
Ah bless! Darren admits to NOT ignoring my posts, as previously claimed.

The point I made in repeating that Darren is because it's another of your own trite put downs you frequently use to denigrate posters you (try...) to go to war on. By attempting to claim you don't read their posts, you are saying they and their opinions are unworthy and should be ignored.

The reality, of course, is that you don't actually do this. You continue to rubber-neck and read and respond to posters you summarily dismiss.

One of the many superficial hypocricies and contradictions you display in your own posts.

Another one is repeating the blunt barb of labelling someone with a moniker. For you, I am 'Mr copy and paste.' Again, it is with the intention to deride and devalue the opinion of the other.

Two things here: copy and pasting is a valid and legitimate practice used by just about everybody on TW. And like others, I use it also. If it was truly all I posted, you might have a point, but of course, I don't, do I Darren?

Secondly, if you wish to mock 'copy and pasting' as a legitimate tool when posting on TW, it's probably wise not to employ it yourself, as you frequently do.

Just last week I noted you responded (quite legitimately, I thought) to a poster complaining about some of the rawer ill-mannered name calling posts on here. How did you do so? By a lengthy copy and pasting of said poster's own raw ill-mannered name calling of others.

Errr ... 'dur', Darren.

As for you claim that I am "bleating about somebody else giving (me) a taste of (your) own."

Really? Where?

Darren ole son ... I am far too long in the tooth and far too phlegmatic to get worked up over something if complete strangers try to get a rise out of me in a footy forum.

I'm far more likely to have some fun with it and jest and joust with the other as I do with you. 'Cos you see, for all your angry superior bluster, the inflated ego you present on here is very easily deflated.

"Stop it... You're killing me here..?"

I can only live in hope ...

(Just kiddin' Darren ... 'lad').

John Wilson
86 Posted 30/10/2016 at 13:09:53
Staying on a commercial note, Koeman's £6 million salary (3-year deal) is apparently within the top ten highest paid managers in the world in 2016. Liverpool's Klopp is paid £7 million. For Southampton, Koeman was on £3 million, Martinez received £1.5 million, and Moyes was paid £4 million.

Seems to be jobs for the boys... no wonder Koeman says, "Everton are Everton... we are not going to win every game." Perhaps Premier League managers should receive performance-related pay. It says something when the Premier League managers receive far more than the players they manage. On current performance, Klopp likely deserves his salary, according to Liverpool supporters at any rate.

Michael Kenrick
87 Posted 30/10/2016 at 17:46:03
John Wilson,

It says something when the Premier League managers receive far more than the players they manage.

A questionable statement if you do the basic maths, John. For example, let's say a decent player wage is £100k a week – that's a cool £5.2M a year – right up there with the top managers. Some players are paid more; most are paid less. The same applies to the managers.

Darren Hind
88 Posted 31/10/2016 at 02:49:49
I didn't "claim" anything, Jay Wood. it was a statement of fact.
I only started reading your posts because you seem to address most of them to me - You Mention me about half a dozen times in your last one alone... again.

I'm not angry either, You were talking shite, I pointed it out.

You claim that I give other posters "monikers" ... what? If I didn't know better I would think you were telling porkies again... or seeking refuge in numbers... again.

As for copying and pasting.... Na, you didn't see me do it, not even sure I'd know how to on this new fangled thing I post on. The best I can manage is to quote the odd word from the current thread. I leave the trawling back to other threads (sometimes weeks old) and selecting excerpts of what somebody else has said to those who can be arsed.

Anyway

I'm doing what you wanted me to do by responding to childlike attempts to camouflage the shite you spouted on THIS thread.

Shinawatra and Lerner only "hire the best"

Forget the diversionary shite... Talk us through that little gem.

Eric Myles
89 Posted 31/10/2016 at 04:29:37
Mike (#83) – "The club has been in safe hands with Kenwright."

Only if you ignore the near bankruptcies, mounting debt, lack of investment, Desperation Kirkby and the lies and failures.

Martin Mason
90 Posted 31/10/2016 at 07:29:46
Eric, we have never been bankrupt, our debt has never been unmanageable. Destination Kirkby was an exceptional idea which didn't happen only because we didn't get planning permission for the retail bit (nothing to do with Kenwright).

With regard to lack of investment, can I just point out that Kenwright achieved massive investment by getting Moshiri on board?

Kenwright did a fair job at Everton given the conditions that the club and football in general was in but that doesn't make good myth or moaning does it?

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