Koeman could entertain signing Rooney

Saturday 29 October 2016  53 Comments  [Jump to last]
Ronald Koeman admits that he could be interested in signing Wayne Rooney should he become available for transfer from Manchester United where he recently lost his starting berth.

United manager Jose Mourinho insists the long-serving forward is "going nowhere" but the longer the 31-year-old spends out of the team at Old Trafford, the more speculation will build over his future.

His ties to Everton have led to inevitable links with a move back to Goodison Park, although his advancing years and apparently diminished effectiveness have made it a topic of debate and disagreement between Evertonians who are divided over the notion of bringing the boyhood Blue "home".

"First of all, I think it is a great player, and he has still not finished his career," Koeman told the media when asked about Rooney's situation.

"I do not know how his situation is, and I need to respect that situation. That's not my problem.

"But even when we get one time the possibility that Rooney is an option for Everton, I'm very pleased."  


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Joseph Mullarkey
1 Posted 29/10/2016 at 10:03:30
We should be looking for players at the top of their game.

Personally I would rather see us get a proper midfielder with a less miles on the clock.

Mata would be on my list not Rooney.

Eugene Ruane
2 Posted 29/10/2016 at 10:18:46
Joseph: "..and I want a three-speed chopper and Mousetrap and pro-shot golf and scalextric and Action Man and an Etch-a-sketch..."

Santa: "And would you like Everton to sign Rooney?"

Joseph: "No, I want Mata and Messi and Ronaldo and Suarez..."

Peter Roberts
3 Posted 29/10/2016 at 10:22:11
Starting to get slightly irked by Koeman. Fawning to an overweight, past-it ex-player.

Brian Williams
4 Posted 29/10/2016 at 10:22:19
All he's doing is answering a question that was asked.

Much ado about nowt!!

Joseph Mullarkey
5 Posted 29/10/2016 at 10:52:54
Eugene... thanks, pal – it's a privilege to have been Eugened.

There were a lot of rumours that Everton were in for Mata in the last window; it didn't seem unrealistic to me at the time, I thought we had a good chance of signing him.

Messi, Suarez, Ronaldo? he is nowhere near that level.

Sorry if I am a little over-ambitious, I am just underwhelmed when we are talking about signing Rooney at this point of his career – surely there are better options out there?

Derek Thomas
6 Posted 29/10/2016 at 10:55:11
Koeman – tick... Rooney – ???...Rooney's agent???

And, last but not least in this fantasy island thing, Mourinho might like to have a think about if he wants to let somebody go who will maybe improve us...

Anthony Hughes
7 Posted 29/10/2016 at 11:03:25
As much as I'm a pro-Rooney returner, I don't really see it happening, mainly for the financial aspects.
Lee Wareham
9 Posted 29/10/2016 at 11:17:32
Won't happen; I don't want it to happen. Just cause he played for us when he was a kid, the media has him returning to his roots.

Why should we have to put up with him now? He is an old man, well past his best, and would cost a fortune.

Paul Holmes
10 Posted 29/10/2016 at 11:34:28
Well according to a poll on the Grand Old Team forum, 80% want Rooney back, so maybe we should do a poll on the ToffeeWeb as the 20% who don't want him back are on here! Just for the record, I'm in the 80% camp!

I can't see how the likes of Barry, Cleverley, McCarthy, Barkley, Lennon, Gibson, Kone, Deulofeu, or Mirallas are in his league, but that's just my opinion (and Koeman's).

We need a spark like when we signed an injury prone Andy Gray, and look how that turned out. Rooney might have the same effect on the team.

John McGimpsey
11 Posted 29/10/2016 at 11:35:27
Still better than anything we have.
Gary Seed
12 Posted 29/10/2016 at 11:36:59
Peter Roberts, it always amazes me when people jump on the 'overweight' 'fat' Rooney bandwagon. Have you ever bothered to look at him? Not an ounce of fat anywhere, I really do wish I was that fat!

For the record, if he dropped his wage substantially, I would take him back, simply because he wouldn't make the squad worse. His experience would be invaluable and I honestly believe he would raise his game in the twilight of an amazing career.

Yes, he has been mostly ineffective for the last two years but that can happen. I remember lots of people on here questioning the acquisition of Barry. He has had indifferent games but has in the main been fantastic for us.

Jack Convery
14 Posted 29/10/2016 at 11:51:40
Do you think Ron sings in his sleep?

Roo, Roo,
I just want you,
I love the things that you do,
Come on
Love a me too
Oh Wont you come here, Roo Roo Roo?

Ta Alvin.

Sorry guys it's a long day with no footie.

Joseph Mullarkey
15 Posted 29/10/2016 at 12:42:54
Eugene walks into dealership looking for a 'new' car.

Salesman: "Hello, sir, we have a range of vehicles with low miles and not many years under their belt; could I interest you in one of them?"

Eugene: "Err, no ta, I want to buy that one over there, I used to own that 12 years ago, it was a good car then."

Salesman: "But, sir, we have cheaper newer models that could suit your needs much better than that old car; also, I believe that it has been driven non-stop very fast since you last owned it."

Eugene: "Na, them newer better ones are out of my league. I will just have me old one, I don't care if it costs more."

Mark Morrissey
16 Posted 29/10/2016 at 13:53:06
Sort this one out for me. If we signed Rooney in January, how much would he cost? I have no clue...
Ian McDowell
17 Posted 29/10/2016 at 14:03:20
Mark, it would depend on many things. How much of his current contract would be paid up to him? How much would he demand at Everton? Would Man Utd want a fee? Or would they prefer to have him off the wage bill? We'd never really know.
Mark Morrissey
18 Posted 29/10/2016 at 14:10:55
Cheers, Ian. I don't know if I'd want him.

Would he improve us? Yes, I guess so.

Would I be pleased to get him? Right now, I think he'd massively improve us.

I think I've answered my own question but it would irk me deep down. I've never approved of him leaving us.

Matt Traynor
19 Posted 29/10/2016 at 14:19:57
Mark (#18), the Everton of 2004 could never have kept him, irrespective of who approved his sale.

Depending on who you believe, Everton was facing Administration – possibly for the 3rd time under Kim Jong Bill's tenure (Smith claimed it was close twice when he was in charge).

The squad at that time had next to zero saleable assets, apart from Rooney. His injury in the Euros was a blessing to Everton as they could draw out the transfer up to deadline day, and then spread the payments so there could be no clamour from us mugs that support the team to spend it.

Michael Penley
20 Posted 29/10/2016 at 15:15:49
It's funny that if you asked any Evertonian if they would sign a player who's currently better than anyone in the squad save for maybe Lukaku they'd say "of course", but sign Rooney? No chance. Both situations are the same.
Mike Hughes
21 Posted 29/10/2016 at 15:27:41
Michael (#20),

No – the two situations are not the same. >One of the key arguments against Wayne Rooney is that we should be signing players on the up and for the future.

Is that Wayne Rooney? Not from where I'm looking. He's past his best (and would still be relatively expensive for us).

I hope Walsh works his magic and finds a hidden gem or two.

Mike Powell
22 Posted 29/10/2016 at 16:09:45
He would cost too much and is past his best. Surely we can get someone younger and hungrier. Two years ago... yes, but he didn't want to come. Now, he knows his days are numbered at Man Utd, so he wants to come back here.
Derek Cowell
23 Posted 29/10/2016 at 17:19:56
Howard Kendall transformed Everton with signings including the ageing and crocked Peter Reid and Andy Gray and that turned out okay, I think. I would welcome Rooney back as a player with as much to offer as those two did. Mind you, it will never happen due to the financial aspects of such a deal. He would have to take an enormous wage cut which would actually show how much he really wanted to play for us again.
Dave Older
24 Posted 29/10/2016 at 18:12:33
Has anyone watched him play football lately?? He is rubbish for Man Utd and even worse for England. I wouldn't go for him personally, there must be a younger, better player than Roo available in January.

Yes, our team is struggling right now, but is he really going to improve us?? I don't think do.

Neil Sagar
25 Posted 29/10/2016 at 18:30:02
Bad signing if it happens, he's not the player people are romantising over and my crystal ball is telling me TW will give him the Barkley treatment as he depreciates with age.
Ian Jones
26 Posted 29/10/2016 at 18:34:50
I don't think Rooney is finished yet. All players go through a time when they are perhaps not quite as good as they should be. He's in his early 30s, still got a few years to offer. Whether I would want him back at Everton is a different situation. On balance, I think yes, and not because of his former connection.
Brian Williams
27 Posted 29/10/2016 at 18:47:12
Mike (#22).

Mike, he hasn't said he wants to come back here. This is all media shite again. I can't believe anyone's giving it any credence and discussing the ins and outs of how we'd afford it etc...

Absolute bullshit – the lot of it!

Jamie Crowley
28 Posted 29/10/2016 at 20:03:51
Let's give it credence – it's fun.

If he comes back, I don't think I've ever seen a "real life" Prodigal Son story like this.

Went down the road 30 or so miles to make his fortune, bed women, live lasciviously, and chase all the material things that make you happy in the short term but leave you hollow inside.

And if he comes home, I think we should slaughter a fattened calf and party like its 19 ninety-fuckin'-nine.

Dave Abrahams
29 Posted 29/10/2016 at 20:11:03
Jamie (#28);

The Prodigal Son was penniless, Wayne is brewsted. Forget it, Jamie, it's just paper talk.

Think about it, there is no way what it will happen. I loved Wayne... a great player when he was here, but that fella is long gone.

James Byrne
30 Posted 29/10/2016 at 20:53:46
I like the idea of Rooney coming back to us. At the end of the day, what other team is he likely to end up at if he leaves Man Utd?

The lad has a good two seasons in him and he could become a long-term signing becoming part of the coaching set-up.

Another factor is down to what Rooney wants if he's not wanted by Man Utd. He plays a big factor in his own future – not that bellend Mourinho.

Trevor Peers
31 Posted 29/10/2016 at 20:55:59
Sign him up if we get the chance – the Red Shite are truely terrified of him! He masterminded the downfall of their record number of Championship wins to his credit.

No chance of him receiving the 'Barkley treatment' either, he's just too good for that. Plus we might just win a game over at the dark side for a change.

Gary Carter
32 Posted 29/10/2016 at 21:02:10
The sad thing about us as fans these days is we get more and more like the Red Shite over the park.

Under Martinez and recently everyone was "all we do is sign players for the future – we need players to improve the team and squad now" and then, as soon as it's Wayne Rooney, it's "we need players for the future" ... Pathetic!

Rooney is better than Barkley, Mirallas, Kone, Deulofeu, Bolasie, Valencia and arguably Lukaku... so why would we not want him???

Wages? Who cares, our new owner who promises the universe and delivers us, the money we got from selling Stones will be paying for it.

It's a statement of intent, a signing that will create world headlines, will affirm that the new charlatan in charge isn't just Billy Mk 2 and will improve the team and squad.

Jamie Crowley
33 Posted 29/10/2016 at 21:10:33
Details, Dave, details!

He went away to the consternation of all. If he comes back, it's absolutely the Prodigal Son story.

I'll concede the whole wallet thing on the return trip – but he did leave to make his millions, à la the Jesus parable!

Dave Abrahams
34 Posted 29/10/2016 at 21:16:59
Jamie, to be honest, I was never fussy on The Prodigal Son. I always feel sorry for his brother who did all the graft... But enjoy your dream, there is no harm in it, and when you wake up, maybe we will have signed a young hungry player – the sort of player Wayne once was.

Or maybe Mr Koeman will give one of the reserve players a chance.

Tony Abrahams
35 Posted 29/10/2016 at 21:53:17
I can't believe what I'm reading, Dave. I've grafted all my life, but I could never be your Prodigal Son, yet you and our lazy arse get on like a house on fire!
Danny O'Neill
36 Posted 29/10/2016 at 21:58:33
Not exactly sure which side of the fence I sit on here. Past his best; yes, so makes little sense in that respect. But then his best is / was top drawer so still has a lot to offer given he has only just hit 30.

Another slant on this would be that, regardless of supporter and pundit opinion, Wayne Rooney still commands massive respect amongst the global player community.

If (big IF) he was to return, would that be an influential factor in attracting and retaining other players?

Stephen Gerrard was finished years ago but his influence resonated across the park and continues to do so; if they brought him back in a coaching / ambassador role, it would be considered a coup.

Difference is that Gerrard played the majority of his career at Liverpool whereas Rooney left and played his best years away from Everton; however – much to the annoyance of many Manchester United supporters and despite the initial fractured relationship with us – Wayne has never let go of his Everton roots; you can't after all.

So, with that in mind, I'll come off the fence. I don't think it would be a bad move, albeit not necessarily to see a Wayne Rooney in his prime play for Everton, but there could be other benefits. Agree or not, he is recognisable in the crazy world of modern football and it could raise our global profile, however temporary.

Dave Abrahams
37 Posted 29/10/2016 at 22:11:24
Tony (35), who told you about the Prodigal Son? If you went in to a church, it would collapse!!!!!
Tony Abrahams
38 Posted 29/10/2016 at 22:26:55
Sad to say, Dave, but I think it's been collapsing for years. Maybe the return of the Prodigal Son might just give it some renaissance?
Chris Williams
39 Posted 29/10/2016 at 22:39:30
All very biblical here.

What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and suffer the loss of his soul?

James Stewart
40 Posted 29/10/2016 at 23:02:19
No.

Talk about low hanging fruit. Rooney is all but finished which is to be expected considering he started his career at 16.

No room for sentiment – we should be looking to the future under Moshiri – not the past.

Paul Hewitt
41 Posted 29/10/2016 at 23:03:58
Why are we after a player Man Utd feel is past it?
John Daley
42 Posted 29/10/2016 at 23:05:20
 "..and I want a three-speed chopper and Mousetrap and pro-shot golf and scalextric and Action Man and an Etch-a-sketch..."


"Anything. Absolutely anything at all, Wayne. 

You name it son. Whatever it takes to bring our boy wonder back home where he belongs.

**Pssst, Bob. Bob! I'm on fire here.  Piece of piss these negotiations. Get a press conference sorted for tomorrow. ASAP ** ."

CUT TO: THE NEXT DAY:

" I can assure every Evertonian with an achy breaky heart that we tried our absolute best to make it happen and, boy oh boy, were we close. 

Wayne's crayon was literally hovering less than a centimetre above the contract at one point. Think Ronnie Corbett's Cyclopean chap stick. That's how close we came. That's how close the dream was to becoming a reality. If Wayne's fingers were just a little bit chubbier it would have been even closer. 
 
In the end, it was Wayne wanting one of those metal poles with a tennis ball tethered to it that you twat back and forth for five minutes until you realise it's boring as fuck or just can't be arsed untangling it anymore, and a mint 12" copy of 'Heartbeat' by bare ankled, soft-rock sensation Don Johnson, formerly of Miami Vice (and the rigorous minge diddling fantasies of a few middle aged dinner ladies back in the day), that really brought  matters to a head. 

I mean where would it end? He could ask for a Colt Seavers action figure to go with his pedal powered Fall Guy truck and a fucking Cabbage Patch Kid next.

I can't, in good conscience, countenance that sort of outlay. You can't risk the financial sure-footedness of a football club by frivolously chucking money away on once top of the range, hot-ticket items of yesteryear, turned today's outdated old tat, can you?

So, I said 'Sorry Wayne. We really, really want to see a slower paced 31 year old shadow of that 16 year old who so excited us, six months after the Sierra Leone civil war ceased, strutting his stuff on the Goodison surface once again, but we'll never progress if we carry on down the path of purchasing past it's 'sell by' date stuff we don't need,  just for the sake of it or because we can. It's not extreme couponing FFS.'

And do you know what Wayne said in reply? "No, Uncle Bill. It's not. It's Exquisite Chairman...ing."

I was really taken aback by that. How profound. How mature. Not only that Wayne actually knew the word 'exquisite', but also that he didn't believe it was some sort of game where you phone a past girlfriend and start asking her who she's shagging these days and how you compare. 

Then we both broke down and wept and I was filled with a tremendous sense of pride at how far the boy had come since he fucked us off without a second thought all them years ago."

Tom Bowers
43 Posted 29/10/2016 at 23:12:02
As I said previously, if Everton don't get back to winning ways soon, then January has to see some new moves. People like Kone, Valencia, and most certainly Niasse are not going to cut it even as benchwarmers and along with Lennon, Mirallas, sad to say Deulofeu and Barkley may also be in the mix by then to be replaced in the squad.

Koeman has some talented youngsters ready to seize their chances and a man with the experience and brain of Rooney might just be what the doctor ordered to help them settle in. Like most of us, we are sick and tired of inconsistent players at Goodison which is the reason they have done nothing for so many seasons.

These players play a handful of decent games and then fade, either through injuries or attitude. Hopefully Koeman will get this situation sorted before too long.

Eric Paul
44 Posted 29/10/2016 at 23:13:51
Not a chance he will sign for us. he will chase the loot in china or the states and good luck to him but I would prefer to see us try and develop youth. Andy Gray and Peter Reid were from a different era so you can't compare but Gareth Barry looks after himself – and has played more games than Rooney – who doesn't.
Denis Richardson
45 Posted 29/10/2016 at 23:14:42
He'll be coming up to his 32nd birthday next August, he's not a top striker anymore and he never was, nor will be, a top midfielder. Not really sure what Rooney would add to our team if he were to come back next season. Never mind what kind of silly wage his agent will be looking for.

Can't see this being a good idea on any level but, then again, Everton do love to be charitable and give aging players one last bumper contract before they hang their boots up.

When Rooney leaves Man Utd, I can see him going to China on some ridiculous contract, earning a £20m+ annual salary. Personally I don't want to see him back.

Neil Wood
46 Posted 30/10/2016 at 00:15:04
Hang on. Right, forget that Rooney ever played for us. Forget any connection to Everton at all, forget the name Rooney and look at the principals of the potential deal

Let's flip it and just say that we are in the hunt for one of the worlds top footballers who has been a record goal scorer for his previous club, he is The all time leading goal scorer for his nation and has just turned 32 meaning he has another two or three years left to offer...

Then let's say that our beloved club has been in dire need of a striker to assist Lukaku and a "Number 10" Well this player above fits the bill for both those roles. Let's also say this player is likely to "up" his game given that he supports our club and is likely to give 100% every game regardless.

Let's also say, as some have quite rightly pointed out, that this player is a world renowned star and any potential signing will be more convinced than, say, if we said he would be training partners with Kone week-in and week-out.

Absolute no-brainer – and anyone who suggests otherwise needs to take a long long look at the facts and not let the name even come into it...

Denis Richardson
48 Posted 30/10/2016 at 09:44:32
Neil (#46), let's do look at the facts and add to your above post the fact that said player is no longer a first choice for his country nor even a first choice for his club. Most of what you've written would still be valid when Rooney is 50.

Fact is, he likely will not be able to cut it at Premier League level next season (he can barely cut it now). Whilst he'd be an improvement on the likes of Kone and Niasse today. I'm not expecting either player to still be at the club next season. Koeman didn't sign them and will no doubt look for replacements.

Personally I'd prefer those replacements to be younger and not pay a fortune for an aged player whose best days are in the past. I guess we might be able to sell some more shirts in China but I can't see him adding much on the pitch. Just my opinion.

Clive Lewis
49 Posted 30/10/2016 at 09:45:56
Once a Blue, Always a Blue... then off to Man Utd. This would be like signing an ex-kopite. No, he left like Moyes to pastures greener, could not wait to get out the door.

He has achieved... now, we want him back? It would send out a second-rate team message. He is not that good anymore, lost his mojo now he has kids, lost his nasty side.

Richard Dodd
50 Posted 30/10/2016 at 09:56:57
If he's no longer any good, don't sign him. But don't let the decision rest on the sort of sentimental twaddle espoused by Clive Lewis above.

Kenwright was just as much a party to his leaving us as was Rooney who – at the time – made the right decision for all parties. Grow up!

Mike Dolan
51 Posted 30/10/2016 at 10:19:55
Wayne Rooney is still an excellent player and would add a lot of nous up front but our biggest single need is for a creative midfielder who can run a game.

Strootman would be perfection if he were to be available. But dream on.

I would take Rooney on a loan though his paycheck is outrageous and I'm not sure how much financial sense it makes.

Colin Glassar
52 Posted 30/10/2016 at 11:11:59
A Rooturn? Not sure personally.
Anthony Dwyer
53 Posted 30/10/2016 at 20:43:19
Not for me, this. Roo 3 years ago? then yes, but now he will just add to the list of players who need to be moved on.

Look at Owen and Fowler across the park, both played from 17 years of age and both washed up before 30. Roo is going the same way, we don't need him.

Roger Helm
54 Posted 30/10/2016 at 20:44:30
It will never happen but that shouldn't stop us discussing it. I think I would like it - all teams need a mixture of youth and experience and the Father of the Side Barry can't go on much longer. Rooney would fit into our midfield with Ross and Guaye as a steadying influence.
Danny O'Neill
55 Posted 30/10/2016 at 21:06:26
Good point Anthony and some pertinent use case examples. The modern era has thrust many of these "wonderkids" into the game earlier than in previous generations. A combination of physical over burn and the pressures associated with being in the intense media spotlight that simply didn't exist previously results in them being washed up way before they should be, given the advances in sport science and athlete-like lifestyle that modern football demands.

Here's hoping that maybe Ross Barkley's progression is more akin to a natural one. In old school currency, a midfielder would peak around 26-28 years of age, not 21-22 like the Sky TV fueled hype and over-expectation now demands. Let's not ruin the lad before he's even started.

Back on thread, my interest in the Rooney possibility is more than just what he can or cannot do on the pitch anymore. As I said earlier, like it or not, agree or disagree, he has global influence within the game, which could benefit any club he chooses to join. I suspect if he stays in England, it will be with Man Utd or Everton. Otherwise he'll head to the MLS or China.

Andy Meighan
56 Posted 31/10/2016 at 13:01:20
John (#42) – what in God's name goes through that mind of yours, pal? Funny though...

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