Koeman, on the other hand, addressed the situation briefly at his press conference this afternoon but indicated his desire to move on.
In comments made earlier this week, O'Neill refused to take the blame for the fact that McCarthy suffered a hamstring injury soon after returning to Everton following last month's international break.
With his latest quotes, the Irish boss says that he listened to the player who insisted he was free of pain both when he arrived for international duty having recovered from surgery on his groin and when he left to return to Finch Farm.
Koeman's contention isn't so much do with McCarthy still feeling the effects of the operation as it is with the fact that the 26-year-old played in two World Cup qualifiers having had just three full training sessions and that he was "massively overloaded" by O'Neill and Ireland.
"He trained at Everton on the day that the manager was bleating about him," O'Neill said. "And he played on the Saturday. If I was a manager, I would be excruciatingly embarrassed by it, to turn around and blame somebody for playing him.
"James is in a difficult situation because Everton pay his wages, that's true. I understand that and he's first and foremost an Everton player but when he comes on international duty and if he's fit for selection then he's got a chance of playing.
"He left us pain-free. He's got a hamstring injury now. How can you come out and say the player is being killed and overloaded and then you play him on the Saturday, you put him on in the second half?
"It was nonsense, nonsense. I was surprised about it, this idea that we killed him. He did brilliantly to recover then. Lazarus. Amazing. His latest injury has got nothing to do with us.
"At the end of the day, James had not done a lot of work, that is true, but he trained and felt fine in the games and so we'll play him. If he'd been feeling the injury he wouldn't have played."
"The payer is not fit"
Koeman was asked about the situation at Finch Farm today and he was clear in his belief that Ireland shouldn't be considering McCarthy for the upcoming World Cup qualifier against Austria if he isn't even training yet.
“The payer is not fit," the Dutchman declared. "The player is not involved in team sessions. I think [in order] to be called up, he needs to be close to being fit, but it's a little bit of the same story.
“What happened last time... we spoke to James. My advice was to stay here and train to be fit as soon as possible but the final decision is by the player.
“It was not necessary to speak with Martin O'Neill-because we had contact between the medical staff and if the managers don't take the right decision, maybe they can take the advice of the medical staff.
When asked for his response to O'Neill's forthright comments in the Irish press this week, Koeman wanted to draw a line under the public war of words.
“I spoke about this. Let's stop the talk — I talk about him, he's talking about me. Let's stop, that's for the best.”
Reader Comments (25)
Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer
1 Posted 03/11/2016 at 13:52:48
2 Posted 03/11/2016 at 13:59:18
3 Posted 03/11/2016 at 14:10:10
5 Posted 03/11/2016 at 14:51:13
The gauntlet has been thrown. If McCarthy goes and plays then I suspect Koeman won't take that favorably.
6 Posted 03/11/2016 at 15:01:24
Time for him to make a choice?
7 Posted 03/11/2016 at 15:13:52
Taxi to Finch Farm, please!
9 Posted 03/11/2016 at 16:33:03
10 Posted 03/11/2016 at 16:43:27
It was a chance for him to get games that he thought he wouldn't get with his club and, bearing in mind RoI had lots of injuries in midfield, then O'Neill was always going to play him as much as the player looked able to play.
A lot of fans on here have been saying for some time that McCarthy is so negative with his passing and rarely scores, so I will be surprised if he gets that many games unless Barry is out injured or Gana is away at the AFCON.
It's a typical country v club manager argument where the player is much more important to his international manager than he is for his club manager.
12 Posted 03/11/2016 at 16:49:08
"We spoke about what is best, what we want and I think finally by himself the player the same likes to play for Everton and to play well for Everton. "I think the player himself learned from what happened last time and how he was overloaded and he got another injury. It's best for everyone for him first to be fit and training with his club. Then you're ready for the national team and not vice versa."
"I think the player himself learned from what happened last time and how he was overloaded and he got another injury. It's best for everyone for him first to be fit and training with his club. Then you're ready for the national team and not vice versa."
If these are accurate; then the message is clear whatever way you look at it.
13 Posted 03/11/2016 at 16:55:15
Under the wonderful FIFA rules, if a player is selected in the national squad, the player has to report for duty. The national medical squad then send him home if unfit. It stopped clubs feigning injury and the player then playing the full game in the next few days.
Koeman does have several valid points but Manic Martin is choosing to ignore them.
14 Posted 03/11/2016 at 17:25:25
Call him out for a straightener, Ron.
15 Posted 03/11/2016 at 17:58:17
If he plays at all; even if he doesn't come back injured, I suspect there's no way back.
16 Posted 03/11/2016 at 18:58:35
17 Posted 03/11/2016 at 19:29:12
It's in his interest to make sure he's fit to grasp these opportunities; if he leaves EFC, it will be to a club with less prospects of achieving things.
He's at best a decent Championship player – I'd be amazed if we manage to recoup what we paid for him.
18 Posted 03/11/2016 at 19:35:31
19 Posted 03/11/2016 at 19:43:24
Personally, I think he will be gone and possibly in January, as he is becoming a liability with injuries and not a first team pick or good enough. Even when he was fit in the Euros, he was poor, hence being substituted.
I wish him well but we need better players than him in the midfield if we are to make the progress everyone is hoping for.
20 Posted 03/11/2016 at 19:44:27
21 Posted 03/11/2016 at 20:25:31
At least Koeman is now saying he doesn't want to comment anymore. O'Neill now has a fit and in-form Harry Arter to choose in midfield rather than a clearly not match-fit McCarthy. Easy choice that.
22 Posted 03/11/2016 at 21:16:17
Yet, instead of giving Gibson a couple of cameo appearances with the Republic in their two international matches to get him match fit, O'lNeill played him fully for 90 minutes in their first match against Germany and then played him again in their second match, when in the second half he ruptured his knee ligaments. Never the same player again.
O'Neill is doing the same to McCarthy, who was not match fit last time, and without any consideration to his playing career at Everton, he played him fully in 2 international matches. Even a Premier League manager would not have done that with a player who also just came back recently from a groin operation.
23 Posted 03/11/2016 at 22:39:38
He also publicly put McGeady's problems on Everton by saying he should get out of the club. In contrast, Keane said McGeady should knuckle down and fight for a place at Everton. McGeady took O'Neill's advice and ended up in the Sheffield Wednesday Reserves.
Now we have McCarthy and again O'Neill bad mouthing Everton. I don't know what his problem is. Does he resent us 'cause – despite his mad spending at Villa – he could never finish above us? Is he upset that media links with us were brushed off when we got Martinez?
I don't know... I've always supported Eire for reasons of ancestry but that's no longer the case cause I'm frankly tired of this twit.
24 Posted 03/11/2016 at 22:49:26
25 Posted 03/11/2016 at 23:00:10
Kieran, I'd have brought Gibson to France but he didn't deserve to go. He played that second last game down in Cork (?) and was shite. He hardly played all year. Not sure where you're going with the McGeady line - "Does he resent us 'cause despite his mad spending at Villa he could never finish above us?" Paranoia even beyond ToffeeWeb's standards.
26 Posted 04/11/2016 at 01:02:57
If we accept the principle that managers should not play a player when tired, not match-fit or injured... or 'killed', then why did Koeman play McCarthy against Man City?
He played him because he was over his groin injury. The fact that he then incurred a hamstring injury 5 or 6 days after the City game is just one of those unfortunate accidents that happen in football. Koeman should not have blamed O'Neill on that.
O'Neill should not be making his 'bleating' comments either. Neither comes out with any credit, but at least Koeman is not commenting further. It's all a bit childish.
27 Posted 04/11/2016 at 02:00:57
28 Posted 04/11/2016 at 06:46:53
O'Neill, injury and Ronnie K.
Listen to RK, James.
He has achieved and experienced far more at club, international and managerial level than the churlish pipsqueak O'Neill. He didn't do that by knackering his knees and groin in noble sacrifice.
If you can stroll into the RoI team when you're recovering from surgery, unfit and short of match practice just ask yourself "how bloody desperate are they" ?
Because your half cocked contribution will make an entire world of difference won't it ?
Is that a wise path to choose ?
In three/four/five years time when you're not getting a game anywhere and have more treatment hours than Darron Gibson, see how many calls/texts you get from ex-RoI manager Martin Unreal ?
Add Your Comments
In order to post a comment, you need to be logged in as a registered user of the site.
Or Sign up as a ToffeeWeb Member — it's free, takes just a few minutes and will allow you to post your comments on articles and Talking Points submissions across the site.