The Congolese international was forced off midway through the second half of yesterday's 1-1 draw with Manchester United following a collision with Anthony Martial and fears that he suffered a serious problem have been confirmed.
Though he initially went down in agony, the 27-year-old was able to get back to his feet and return to the field but was withdrawn shortly afterwards.
Bolasie has been ever-present for Ronald Koeman's side since joining from Crystal Palace in August but is ruled out of the busy festive period and will almost certainly play no part in next month's Africa Cup of Nations.
He is scheduled to undergo surgery in the next days and could be ruled out of the remainder of the season based on the expected recovery time for such injuries.
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1 Posted 05/12/2016 at 19:58:21
2 Posted 05/12/2016 at 20:07:13
3 Posted 05/12/2016 at 20:10:42
And a hearty middle finger to all the a-holes on yesterday's live forum you know who you are who accused him of faking it, or being soft, or wanting out of the game.
This would be a good place to start posting your apologies. If you have the courage.
4 Posted 05/12/2016 at 20:12:47
Looked bad at the time. I've had the same injury and broken pretty much every bone in my body, including my back twice, and nothing hurt like my cruciate. Some players are never the same again so fingers crossed.
5 Posted 05/12/2016 at 20:16:35
6 Posted 05/12/2016 at 20:24:33
7 Posted 05/12/2016 at 20:28:49
8 Posted 05/12/2016 at 20:30:34
10 Posted 05/12/2016 at 20:35:08
To those idiots who were calling him a pussy, hang your head in shame.
11 Posted 05/12/2016 at 20:40:09
The team deserves some critisism but OTT personal abuse isn't necessary!
12 Posted 05/12/2016 at 20:48:48
Same goes for all these "Koeman out" knobheads. Jesus wept. He's only been in the job for four months or so. Apparently being a bit "reserved" and not some emotional nutter like Mourinho is some kind of crime!
13 Posted 05/12/2016 at 20:51:33
14 Posted 05/12/2016 at 20:53:24
15 Posted 05/12/2016 at 20:53:55
16 Posted 05/12/2016 at 20:55:46
17 Posted 05/12/2016 at 20:57:03
18 Posted 05/12/2016 at 20:57:54
19 Posted 05/12/2016 at 21:01:08
I certainly don't think a lack of effort or commitment is something you could ever have levelled at him in his time at Everton so far. Always works and always willing to keep trying. He will be a bigger miss than we realise unless we get a decent replacement in in January.
Not sure Memphis Depay is the answer but he at least has a goal in him and I would imagine the speculation linking him to Goodison will now go into overdrive.
20 Posted 05/12/2016 at 21:04:40
It seems cruciate injuries feel ok immediately after treatment when flexing and running a straight line as happened yesterday. As soon as the player turns, bang. I've seen it happen several times.
21 Posted 05/12/2016 at 21:05:58
Unfortunately, Nick's right too... we will likely not see him on the pitch again until August. And given the way he plays, it's probably a full calendar year until he's back on form. Terrible blow.
22 Posted 05/12/2016 at 21:06:42
23 Posted 05/12/2016 at 21:16:27
24 Posted 05/12/2016 at 21:25:04
25 Posted 05/12/2016 at 21:27:23
26 Posted 05/12/2016 at 21:27:32
There's a multitude of things it could be beyond ACL. Regardless, I thought he was hurt but in this day and age so many cry wolf that many fans are cynical.
As a player, he is hit a miss but he's had some assists and goals which is more than can be said for the other wingers.
27 Posted 05/12/2016 at 21:29:23
28 Posted 05/12/2016 at 21:31:50
My take on Bolasie is, if you can accept he will have games when he looks like he's never played, he will also have games where he is unplayable. Some of his crosses are sheer quality and he tries to make things happen.
I wish him a speedy recovery. All the best, fella.
29 Posted 05/12/2016 at 21:33:37
Every kind of 'coward' and 'shit-house' he got from these experts.
Wonder how many posts there'll be saying "Yeah, I was one of them, obviously I got it absolutely wrong, made a twat of myself and have learnt a valuable life lesson." (None so far.)
I can only wish him the best and hope for a speedy recovery.
I also hope that whatever it is in life that frustrates these pricks (to the point where they go from 0 to completely unhinged fucking lunatic in 2 seconds) not only continues, but gets so bad they drown in their own bile.
'Yeah but 'old on, we're all like... Evertonians."
No we aren't I refuse to be lumped in with nob-heads because they support the team I support.
30 Posted 05/12/2016 at 21:35:36
31 Posted 05/12/2016 at 21:38:05
Don't expect the ones who made those comments yesterday to come scuttling back out from under the fridge anytime soon.
32 Posted 05/12/2016 at 21:40:31
33 Posted 05/12/2016 at 21:41:19
34 Posted 05/12/2016 at 21:45:17
35 Posted 05/12/2016 at 21:46:08
I hope the injury is not as bad as indicated and he is back as soon as possible.
36 Posted 05/12/2016 at 21:50:39
37 Posted 05/12/2016 at 21:52:55
And I'm quite sure anyone who posted heat of the moment for him to get up via the live forum wouldn't have wished Yannick to have suffered such an injury. Just my two pence worth.
38 Posted 05/12/2016 at 21:55:46
40 Posted 05/12/2016 at 21:59:08
42 Posted 05/12/2016 at 22:01:03
43 Posted 05/12/2016 at 22:03:03
44 Posted 05/12/2016 at 22:10:56
45 Posted 05/12/2016 at 22:13:16
46 Posted 05/12/2016 at 22:17:24
47 Posted 05/12/2016 at 22:19:59
48 Posted 05/12/2016 at 22:25:53
49 Posted 05/12/2016 at 22:26:30
50 Posted 05/12/2016 at 22:32:41
He needs to take the time to complete the rehabilitation and not rush back.
51 Posted 05/12/2016 at 22:34:52
52 Posted 05/12/2016 at 22:38:13
I snapped my ACL playing footy 6 years ago and screamed for about 5 seconds as I've never felt pain like it, but then nothing. I got up and walked off the pitch and even drove home.
When I saw it I could tell something had gone by his reaction, said the same too when Walcott done his a few years ago as well. It's the players reaction for a short burst of pain then they look like nothing's wrong... I wish the lad luck cos it's a long recovery road...
53 Posted 05/12/2016 at 22:39:50
The amount of times over the years I've thought "Where do these knuckle-draggers live? What do they do in the week? How do they manage to get to places like Ipswich away? Who taught them to speak?" etc.
Soon as we sat down yesterday it was..
"AYYYY FUUUCCKKGGIN COME ONNNN!! GERRIN T' DEEZ MANC CUUUNTS!!!
(After kick-off, even worse.)
So of course when Bolasie went down..
"YER FUCKIN LAZY FUCKIN SHIT-HOUSE FUC..." etc blah.
Recently the feller who sits behind told us about a song he heard about Sturridge on his coach going down to Chelsea.
I won't repeat the (staggeringly racist) words but it would have shocked me in 1973.
Oh yeah... they're deffo still about.
54 Posted 05/12/2016 at 22:40:34
Wish him all the best and a speedy recovery.
55 Posted 05/12/2016 at 22:40:54
But you didn't say that first off, Bobby. All you said was "One of the most overpriced players I've ever seen." Still, if you feel no empathy...
56 Posted 05/12/2016 at 22:43:13
Get well soon, Yannick. :)
57 Posted 05/12/2016 at 22:43:41
Superb, Eugene! Choked on my cocoa.
58 Posted 05/12/2016 at 22:43:48
I thought there would be transfer activity in January but surely this means there definitely will be. Welcome aboard, Memphis?
59 Posted 05/12/2016 at 22:44:33
I am so happy to have found someone else speaking sense on this forum. So many fans are painfully impatient. It's embarrassing.
61 Posted 05/12/2016 at 22:47:54
There wasn't any face covering with Bolasie. Lying on his back and screaming.
The amazing thing is, he got up and played a bit, before coming off.
62 Posted 05/12/2016 at 22:48:11
On the bright side, we can recall McGeady from his loan and it'll be like a new signing eh.
63 Posted 05/12/2016 at 22:48:17
Pity that some were too quick to criticise Bolasie about his 'injury' on the live forum yesterday.
I guess they know who they are...thanks to a quick google of 'live forum ToffeeWeb' I know who they are too..made for interesting reading...
Hope Bolasie recovers well and is back playing.
64 Posted 05/12/2016 at 22:49:46
66 Posted 05/12/2016 at 22:53:03
Footballers can't have it both ways with the amount of money they earn for kicking a ball around for 90 minutes, FFS!
67 Posted 05/12/2016 at 22:55:17
It is a symptom of the modern age and in particular social media that people spout off with such vitriol. It is often totally uncalled for.
Let's all remember that the manager, his staff and the players are all trying to win games for EFC.
We can all get a bit too cynical at times, so let's all try and be a bit more positive and constructive in criticism and support our team. We all want the same thing.
68 Posted 05/12/2016 at 22:57:05
Very annoying but not as bad as our own fans giving him stick. He seems like a top humble bloke to me and best of luck to him coming back strong.
69 Posted 05/12/2016 at 22:59:45
I don't think it's unreasonable for the average fan to call into question a winger's crossing ability when said winger cost £30m and is being paid tens of thousand of quid a week to cross a ball?
Each to their own?
70 Posted 05/12/2016 at 23:02:54
72 Posted 05/12/2016 at 23:04:55
73 Posted 05/12/2016 at 23:08:54
76 Posted 05/12/2016 at 23:24:44
It's inevitable that you're going to get injuries but ones like this are a sickener because they take a whole season out of your career and threaten to dull the rest of it completely. I wish him a speedy and full recovery. Maybe it might inspire the rest of the team to step up in his absence.
77 Posted 05/12/2016 at 23:31:29
The only positive, if there is any, is that he would miss January playing for Congo. So we have the chance to bring in a replacement in January when he would have been absent anyway. We should make a big offer for Mahrez... You never know?!
I also think Jack Wilshere is the central midfielder we need to get, albeit in the summer.
78 Posted 05/12/2016 at 23:37:23
However, the player's pain and welfare are what I am concerned about now. Looking at the positives, I hope this gives Geri the time on the pitch to improve him. But as for Bolasie, I wish him the best.
I have similar thoughts about Cleverley but cannot understand why our own fans mocked his substitution. They're our players. Every other club's fans will be slagging them off and giving them abuse. It's up to us to support them.
79 Posted 05/12/2016 at 23:40:44
You're delusional mate...
Bolasie is one of the only players on the pitch that looks like he gives a fuck.
Always gives 100%, and has added a lot of energy, passion and aggression to the team.
80 Posted 05/12/2016 at 23:41:04
Michael Lynch (#68), your contribution was "I think Bolasie may have broken a nail" ... that's not questioning his crossing ability, it's questioning the courage of one of our own who's obviously injured.
I give you credit for being the only one of yesterday's offenders to have the cojones to post on this thread. Too bad you don't have the stones to express regret. Excusing it by saying you "like to spout shite in the heat of the moment" or calling out the player's oversized paycheck won't wash.
81 Posted 05/12/2016 at 00:00:48
83 Posted 06/12/2016 at 00:13:56
I've liked him since he tore us a new one at Goodison in Martinez's first season. I wish the lad well and a speedy recovery. We're going to need him.
84 Posted 06/12/2016 at 00:14:47
I just hope he can come back 100% cos knee injuries can impact mobility and speed.
Good luck Yannick. Most Evertonians rate and respect you.
85 Posted 06/12/2016 at 00:23:43
It looks like he'll be out for the season so I wish him all the best for a speedy recovery. As for the live forum, well it's become a bit of a cesspool thanks to 2-3 fellas who only appear once things start going down the toilet.
86 Posted 06/12/2016 at 01:14:15
I agree with you that his injury record isn't the best. But so far this season, he's got his fitness back and is playing very well. He's still relatively young so if he's still fit and on form at the end of the season I think we should have a look, if Arsenal are willing to do business.
He would be no more of risk than Strootman, who incidentally I would also be happy to sign, that is, as long as we offload our own sick note in midfield Gibson! I still don't know what the board were thinking giving that joker a new contract.
87 Posted 06/12/2016 at 01:15:21
88 Posted 06/12/2016 at 01:17:38
I mean who in the squad can replace him? Even though his performances have been below par? Was it just a money position?
89 Posted 06/12/2016 at 01:26:21
But I attended the West Ham game a while back, the ticket a birthday present from the family, and seated high up in Goodison Road, my restricted but expensive view was only marred by a foul mouthed abusive, racist father who increasingly made me blush and cringe at the same time.
After just 25 mins of near non-stop abuse, he turned on those around him who had asked him to tone it down, before one gentlemen asked a steward to have a word. He did, and was told to fuck off for his trouble. I moved to a much worse seat at half-time, but at least I could enjoy the game.
"So what?" I hear you cry... in all my years of coming to the match, and I have seen sooooo many games, this was the very first time I felt threatened and ill at ease in MY club. (Apart from the time I was refused a ticket at the ticket office because of comments I had made in ToffeeWeb about our leader, lol!)
My opportunities are still limited to go to the game but my desire has been diminished by the disgraceful behaviour of not just this individual but by the fact it was all around me. I stopped and listened to it... tuned in... some of it was from drunken idiots but not all.
For those who say they pay their money and have a right to abuse players, you don't have the right to abuse me, or the kids or the fans. Would you use it at home? Sad thing is, they probably would...
90 Posted 06/12/2016 at 01:34:14
92 Posted 06/12/2016 at 02:46:38
At least Koeman didn't force him to play on like Moyes and Rathbone did. I'm still convinced that played a part of him leaving under the dodgy circumstance. He clearly was in agony but was forced to keep playing.
Bolasie's injury is probably going to put to bed the rumours of Geri and Lennon leaving in January. With a guaranteed starter now out for a while, it will be interesting to see if Ross will come back into the team. I thought Mirallas played okay behind Lukaku, but Cleverley being absolutely dire, it would be an indicator on Koeman's thoughts of him if Barkley still can't get back in.
93 Posted 06/12/2016 at 03:46:39
Also thought it was disgraceful to treat Cleverley like that.
Okay, these lads get bundles but they don't deliberately play bad and they feel it more than the fans.
94 Posted 06/12/2016 at 04:09:40
95 Posted 06/12/2016 at 04:26:07
I just don't see it. He's a show pony. He just does tricks. For his own ego. I've never disliked an Everton player as much as him.
The only reason he gets near that team is that we are so lacking in imagination and creativity that his showboating provides the best way to at least 'look' like we have something going on. I still think we'll look far more like a team without him.
But if course I still wouldn't wish a serious injury on him.
96 Posted 06/12/2016 at 05:43:36
97 Posted 06/12/2016 at 05:55:02
For an arl technophobe like me, it's a thing of wonder (even if I can't keep up) I still have trouble getting my head around exiled Evertonians watching the game from all four corners whilst being able to chat to fellow blues.
I like it when it gets feisty, especially at the match; I have no problem at all with fans shaking their fists at kick-off, shouting "Let's get into these fuckers" or jumping up and shouting "Send that dirty bastard off!" but there can be no room for personal abuse, whether it be racial, homophobic, bigoted or just plain hateful.
Never that impressed by Bolasie as a player, I can still feel pig sick for a boy whose career is now hanging in the balance. It's both tragic for him and damaging for us as a club.
I didn't see the comments on the Live Forum and I want to believe they were silly and ill-informed as opposed to the spiteful abuse being reported. The thought of people abusing a guy who is clearly in agony (even if it's an opponent) doesn't bear thinking about.
You seem to have trouble distinguishing the difference between people abusing an injured player who is clearly in agony and people who think they have seen enough of our wealthy healthy manager to believe he is the wrong guy for the job. You use a thread that's supposed to be about a seriously injured player as an opportunity abuse those who don't share your views.
What was it you called them? Oh yeah... "knobheads". How ironic.
98 Posted 06/12/2016 at 06:13:48
99 Posted 06/12/2016 at 06:57:49
100 Posted 06/12/2016 at 07:25:51
He has his critics, mostly due to the fee he cost, but he's much more effective than any other wide player we have within the squad.
101 Posted 06/12/2016 at 07:29:55
We have a pretty mediocre squad at the moment and that problem needs to be addressed during this January window.Bolasie has been one of our successes along with Williams and Gueye.Without these three additions to last seasons squad we would be languishing in the table.
Lets just hope that Bolasie gets back to his best quickly and comes back strong and refreshed.
102 Posted 06/12/2016 at 07:50:30
'For his own ego'?
Is that something you know or is it simply a bit of two-bob psychoanalysis you've spouted, maybe for your own ego?
103 Posted 06/12/2016 at 08:01:50
104 Posted 06/12/2016 at 08:13:27
How do you work that out? I said to my mate in the game he was trying too hard, tried to play two or three killer balls into Lukaku when they were not on.
He is the best crosser of the ball, off both feet, at the club, when he gets himself half a yard.
105 Posted 06/12/2016 at 09:01:32
What a load of cobblers. He's created far more chances than anyone else. He tries his tricks to deceive defenders. Sometimes they come off, sometimes they don't. He's a good player and, beyond that, a humble bloke who plays with a smile on his face. Get off his back.
106 Posted 06/12/2016 at 09:22:57
I hope the injury is not a complete mess, and more of a tear. As others have commented, the fact that he tried to carry on is a hopeful sign. I hope he still keeps his pace – it is pretty important for him.
I look less and less at the Live Forum, as it is so often just full of bile, and people having a go at each other. Might improve if we go on another winning run.
107 Posted 06/12/2016 at 09:25:32
Get well soon – the player and the idiots!
108 Posted 06/12/2016 at 09:37:31
Bolasie is a very good player: unpredictable, blows hot and cold, frightens defenders. He's an asset we sorely need. He's also a genuine and enthusiastic footballer, and a nice guy.
109 Posted 06/12/2016 at 09:42:31
Ernie Baywood (#95),
"I've never disliked an Everton player as much as him."
So the likes of Ginola turning up for one last big pay day and trotting through the motions while sucking the financial lifeblood out of the club were preferable to Bolasie who has at the very least got us up out of our seats on occasion? Or Blomqvist throwing his teddy out of the pram when he was hooked off for doing fuck-all all afternoon. Didn't throw his wages out of the pram though.
Darren Hind (#97),
The Live Forum can be an eye-opener. There have never been so many qualified (and top class) football coaches contributing to one site at the same time in the history of the game. It's useful for lads who are in work and can't get a stream though. You should have a look some time, it can be very entertaining.
Mick Davies #90
Man United "worse than the '70s Leeds side"?
Get a grip, son.
110 Posted 06/12/2016 at 10:03:06
So far I personally think he hasn't been good enough for the price tag. He will often get in great positions only to cross the ball too deep. Yes, he has had a few assists but, with the amount of balls he puts into the box, it stands to reason that eventually one or two will find the right player. I was hoping he'd score a few goals too but sadly along with the rest of the team he hasn't chipped in.
Also, I thought we played better after he went off against Man Utd. Just my opinions, and we are all entitled to our own.
111 Posted 06/12/2016 at 10:26:44
112 Posted 06/12/2016 at 10:53:47
113 Posted 06/12/2016 at 10:59:28
A team low on confidence... yea, let's slaughter them all afternoon, that'll help. No wonder we never get anywhere.
I doubt Bolasie will play for us again. Probably hates the place given all the shite he's given for not being Messi. FFS
114 Posted 06/12/2016 at 10:59:54
That's more than can be said by about the vast majority of the squad. Zero threat.
As for "I've never disliked an Everton player as much as him". Ernie, have you been watching Everton for the last 25 years!
115 Posted 06/12/2016 at 11:03:50
116 Posted 06/12/2016 at 11:06:34
But I can't actually believe you have gone through the Live Forum noting down offenders who may have said something scathing or exaggerated about one of our players. Are you for real?
I have nothing to apologise for, and have absolutely no sense of regret for saying what I did. What I do regret is that Bolasie, a player I have high regard for (though I'm sure you already know that if you spend your time trawling through old threads) has such a serious injury. Next time a player goes down, I'll call an ambulance before posting on the Live Forum okay?
117 Posted 06/12/2016 at 11:47:07
I've just this minute caught the news bulletin on the BBC News channel. They mentioned that Sunderland have lost Duncan Watmore for the rest of the season due to a serious knee injury, which is tough on him, and them. No mention of Bolasie's injury whatsoever – this despite it being equally serious and occurring 30 miles from their Salford studio, and in a game against their beloved Man Utd no less.
What is it with the BBC Sport Department? Why do they treat a club with Everton's stature with such contempt? I sort of understand Sky Sport's obsession with the favoured 4 – they are a commercial undertaking and care not a jot for balance and fairness, but the BBC is supposed to be a neutral public service broadcaster, and their behaviour has got materially worse since they moved to Salford (ie, Manchester).
118 Posted 06/12/2016 at 11:58:08
2. The live forum always reminds me of being at the game. People sometimes make comments which make you cringe. I guess what makes the live forum worse is that these things are written down and recorded as opposed to just being said.
3. For me giving up the live forum because you don't like some of the comments would be like giving up driving because someone once cut me up at a roundabout (although admittedly, at times there might be some unlicensed drivers on the forum).
119 Posted 06/12/2016 at 12:14:24
So I've realised something recently – when playing previous versions of Football mManager on my PC, I had managed to lure Lukaku, Deulofeu, Williams and Bolasie to the club (way before we were ever linked to them). Even managed to get Depay although we don't have him yet. :)
Spooky, I know... so what players do people want, and I'll try to tempt fate by trying to get them in Football Manager 2017.
120 Posted 06/12/2016 at 12:20:06
There will also be, to use posh term, very different levels of emotional maturity. Some will almost be unable to avoid the extreme or loud post. They tend to feel that the more extreme, loud and immovable they are, the more impact they will have.
Well not the case obviously and I'd hate to see the emotional 11+ brigade be blocked.
New Campaign: The Right to Talk Shite. Catchy?
121 Posted 06/12/2016 at 12:26:53
Surely they're as legitimate as claiming he is 'committed' or 'humble' etc?
To others who query how I can dislike him more than, say, Ginola... what did we think we were getting with Ginola? You can't sign a player who is quite clearly past it and then complain that he's past it.
With Bolasie, I see plenty of ability. Plenty of physical attributes. And an attitude that values style over substance. That's what winds me up. It's the Soccer AM generation. Shouting tekkers after a pointless bit of skill as though it's more important than actually putting in a performance.
Maybe I'm wrong about him and the many examples (let's just start with the ridiculous rabona) don't provide that insight into his character. Maybe I'm not. I've seen enough players and played enough matches to hold a view.
122 Posted 06/12/2016 at 12:31:08
The really good news is that Bolassie and all the other players are probably too busy to follow the live forum during a game, so me accusing Yannick of breaking a nail will be unlikely to affect his confidence or any other part of his skill set.
123 Posted 06/12/2016 at 12:50:12
A confident and in-form Yannick Bolasie working the wings and with players to aim at will be an asset to Everton.
124 Posted 06/12/2016 at 13:11:43
I've noted down a couple of sentences in your post that I'm really most unhappy about.
125 Posted 06/12/2016 at 13:19:24
126 Posted 06/12/2016 at 13:28:11
My main reaction to the cowardly 'trolls', who see something like this is an excuse to spout offensive verbal diarrhoea, is pity.
And my deepest sympathy goes out to those poor sods they live and work with – all the best, my heart goes out to you hapless unfortunates.
127 Posted 06/12/2016 at 13:38:20
128 Posted 06/12/2016 at 14:04:04
If we had bought Sissoko for another £30 million, that really would have had the fans questioning the transfer policy at the club. Get loads of loan players in January and if they are rubbish we can send them back; we can't afford more £30 million Bolasies!
129 Posted 06/12/2016 at 15:14:53
I think your posts have been missed by quite a few on here; I know I've missed them. You underestimate how good they are. I hope you pick up your pen (so to speak) soon and give us your points of view.
130 Posted 06/12/2016 at 15:17:42
Christine. A poster I'll always read. More, please, Miss.
131 Posted 06/12/2016 at 15:38:48
Okay, Bolasie hasn't really set Everton alight this season... but who has? Even Gana has slipped in recent games. Perhaps, however, this is a chance for Valencia to seize the moment?
Certainly now more than ever, the transfer window becomes important for Everton, with so many players not doing their best work and Koeman talking of shifting some out. As the points are being dropped, so to is Everton's league position.
132 Posted 06/12/2016 at 15:56:58
The thing is with him, he must decide to slag someone off before he even sees how they play. Mirallas was getting it on Sunday despite this being his best game for a long while.
(He also equally annoys me by clapping like a fucking seal every two mins at fuck all.)
133 Posted 06/12/2016 at 16:34:02
Do you agree that Gana's shooting needs to improve, but otherwise he's been class/'set Everton alight' in the role he was bought to fulfil, ever since he gave that penalty away in the Espanyol pre-season friendly at The Old Lady? He was MoTM on Sun.
134 Posted 06/12/2016 at 17:11:51
Imagine playing on the wing and you have got at least two to aim for in the box? That's how bad it's been for most of this season, with the really poor formations we have been using, which have got very little out of the players, and even less out of Everton's most potent weapon... THE CROWD!
135 Posted 06/12/2016 at 17:34:43
Leeds were no worse than any other side at that time and other teams had players (Harris, Smith, Case, Rioch, McQueen in his later Man Utd days Souness etc) that were animals in comparison. My argument is, in these so called 'civilised' times, dirty, snidey kicks on prone and injured opponents, and two-footed tackles should be outlawed and punished from above.
Our own Dunc has a record number of red cards, because he openly and honestly retaliated against these cowardly digs, while the likes of Roy Keane's deliberate but disguised assaults often went unpunished.
If Coleman had suffered a fractured skull, or Gana a double leg break, would you be happy losing two of our most effective players? The Sky darlings from down the East Lancs have been immune to FA punishment for decades, so maybe THEY should 'get a grip'
136 Posted 06/12/2016 at 17:37:22
He uses his strength and speed to get pass opponents he is not a box of tricks and so the better teams can pretty much work him out and mark him out of the game.
I hope he can come back next year as good as has been, he can still be an asset for the Blues. However, as he blows too hot and cold, I see him as an impact sub for the future when opposing teams are getting tired.
Get well soon, lad!
137 Posted 06/12/2016 at 18:18:08
138 Posted 06/12/2016 at 18:40:54
The Mirallas of the last 20 minutes on Sunday, or who played at West Brom earlier this season, is. As is the Geri from last season's cup ties (except Man City away in the League Cup semi!). They both just need to put the work in as does Lennon if and when he gets the opportunity to do so.
139 Posted 06/12/2016 at 18:54:28
I am happy to accept differing views to mine if they make some kind of sense. Plainly in this case, an argument to get rid of Koeman now does not meet this condition, and in fact probably harms the prospects of the club I support.
And yes, I would surmise that many of those slagging off Bolasie are indeed the very ones who also want Koeman out, which is why I linked the issues.
142 Posted 06/12/2016 at 19:21:14
As far as fans' behavior is concerned, along with too many of the general public now, standards have dropped a great deal since I was a young man.
Anyone effing and blinding around women and children would have been ejected by the men around them, they wouldn't have needed to call for stewards.
143 Posted 06/12/2016 at 19:41:43
There lies the delusion that anything we post has some impact or significance.
Mostly this is a place full of people with a shared interest who are at home with a partner or kids who don't find Everton interesting or of any importance. So psychologically good for us in our small little group but nobody else cares a damn what we say.
And maybe there lies the joy of TW. I mean Jaysus... imagine if the Live Forum carried weight. Scary!
144 Posted 06/12/2016 at 19:48:46
Congratulations. I didn't think your second post could match the stupidity of your first... but you pulled it off, fella.
145 Posted 06/12/2016 at 20:03:32
An arrogant and quite frankly 'stupid' post.
146 Posted 06/12/2016 at 20:16:31
I'm rooting for him...
147 Posted 06/12/2016 at 20:26:55
I cant cope with reading/ commenting while watching the game at the same time. Me fingers aren't quick enough.
I do read the OF most mornings to see what bollocks they have been chatting. Often very funny stuff from a group of blues who live and breath this club without taking themselves too seriously.
148 Posted 06/12/2016 at 20:30:27
149 Posted 06/12/2016 at 20:48:20
As the philosopher David Hume once put it, "Truth arises through disagreement amongst friends."
To extend the analogy I used above, you don't dig up all the highways because of the occasional drunk driver.
150 Posted 06/12/2016 at 21:01:39
151 Posted 06/12/2016 at 21:24:20
Please keep it!
152 Posted 06/12/2016 at 22:44:22
Always have the forum open while watching on TV (rarely get a chance to go to a game distance the problem) and it feels like being part of the crowd while in the company of all you Evertonians... even the knobs who pop up now and then.
So keep it up guys and gals. The camaraderie is priceless.
153 Posted 06/12/2016 at 22:47:48
The 1970 side contained Reaney, Bremner, Charlton, Giles, Clarke, Hunter, Lorimer even Jones, and before them, Collins, yes OUR Collins, and were, collectively, the dirtiest team I can remember. Not only were they sly bastards they were openly dirty, sorry, maybe I should call them "hard but honest", would that suit you better? They are not known as Dirty Leeds because their kit is minging.
On Saturday United were sly and, in Rojo's case, openly, crudely dirty, but they would and should have been punished if the referee had any balls. That tackle was par for the course in Leeds 1960s side.
Tell me, were you at the 1964 match versus Leeds? When Brown was sent off after 4 minutes, and the ref took BOTH teams off to cool down? I was.
If you were, you might reconsider your opinion of Leeds, and just for the record, you may be able to tell me about 1970s Leeds team, but I wouldn't bother, I saw them myself. Would you like to hear about the 1959-60 team? Son.
154 Posted 06/12/2016 at 22:55:42
155 Posted 06/12/2016 at 23:18:43
I predict that after a couple of posts more on this thread from both Ray Roche and Mick Davies, at most; we will all know exactly how old each of them is.
156 Posted 06/12/2016 at 23:49:32
157 Posted 07/12/2016 at 00:29:56
The only two Leeds players I really hated were Charlton and Hunter two gobshites.
ps: The Chelsea side of that era were just as good/bad. Harris, Webb, Hollins etc. Tough sods but great players.
158 Posted 07/12/2016 at 00:30:08
In any case, Australian coverage moving to Optus has put paid to having any kind of mobile device close to me during matches. We track something like two minutes behind the live action.
160 Posted 07/12/2016 at 07:25:42
161 Posted 07/12/2016 at 07:48:31
162 Posted 07/12/2016 at 07:53:50
163 Posted 07/12/2016 at 08:17:11
164 Posted 07/12/2016 at 08:54:25
Fletcher, hearing this, sarcastically chips in "Yeah... like Leeds United."
The gag, at the time worked perfectly, got big knowing laughs, didn't have to be explained. Something tells me this joke (or in a modern context, similar 'they're fucking filthy' gag) wouldn't work with any side today (including Man Utd). Leeds were absolute fucking dogs and every present Premier League side looks like Big Tart Softy Walter FC by comparison.
165 Posted 07/12/2016 at 09:05:07
166 Posted 07/12/2016 at 09:20:54
Leeds (it is safely assumed) Utd coach is pulled up a kerbside as a suited player scythes down a passing pensioner from behind on the pavement. The manager is saying, 'There's another hour before we get to the ground. Is there anyone else who can't wait?'
167 Posted 07/12/2016 at 09:31:11
Incidentally, regarding Le Tissier's comments about naked soapy massages, does anyone remember a documentary about Leeds around that time showing Revie doing the same to some Leeds players?
Although they weren't kids, it felt a bit weird at the time.
168 Posted 07/12/2016 at 09:56:06
I still loathe them and their gobshite support.
169 Posted 07/12/2016 at 10:49:11
Anyone too young to recall this, just put "Battle Of Goodison" or "Dirty Leeds" into Google.
And then, see how last Saturday's afternoon picnic compares.
170 Posted 07/12/2016 at 10:56:55
Sandy had studmarks high on his chest and tried to show the referee, to no avail. That was the start of him losing control of the game. Cue Roy Vernon spending his time kicking the shit out of all and sundry.
Willie Bell's waist high tackle on Derek Temple was an assault that laid Derek out and led to the punch up which ended with both teams being taken off.
Near riot outside the Player Entrance on Goodison Road after the match too.
171 Posted 07/12/2016 at 12:07:17
172 Posted 07/12/2016 at 12:48:28
How a team breaking every rule in the book and stretching the spirit of the game, thuggish and snide, can actually help create a spectacle.
And we remember it vividly 50-odd years later.
Who will remember the game on Sunday for very long? Not in the same league and thank Christ for it.
173 Posted 07/12/2016 at 13:21:25
I personally think Leeds were infinitely worse but the principle of the two teams' approach was at least arguably similar.
174 Posted 07/12/2016 at 13:25:50
175 Posted 07/12/2016 at 14:25:19
176 Posted 07/12/2016 at 14:28:37
I remember one of our lads getting a chest-high kung-fu-style tackle right on the halfway line, Bullens Road side, against Leeds. I think that was Shirley Temple.
Anybody with similar memory? And don't tell me I'm getting old and the mind is going. I seem to remember one of our lads... ah, sorry, I think I've already said that.
177 Posted 07/12/2016 at 14:46:47
It was a terrible foul by Willy Bell that I mention above. It led to both teams being taken off the field having provoked a mass brawl.
178 Posted 07/12/2016 at 14:53:44
Martin, it was me who mentioned the so-called "Battle Of Goodison" in an attempt to prove to Mick that Leeds were in a different class to the present Man Utd side when it comes to dirty play. A different class regarding football brilliance as well, I might add.
And Mick DID say "worse than the '70s Leeds side." Light blue touch paper and retire etc.
179 Posted 07/12/2016 at 14:58:31
In some ways I'd sooner watch a game with old fashioned values where a proper tackle, not a leg breaker, was acceptable and no one rolled around on the floor like they'd been shot when someone brushed against them.
Then, if they were down, they were hurt. The length of time lost through play acting and unnecessary stoppages due to a broken nail or lost eye lash is now getting silly.
I blame the parents.
180 Posted 07/12/2016 at 15:02:50
Totally agree. But I blame the coaches.
181 Posted 07/12/2016 at 15:41:22
Worse than that Dave. They refused to even speak about him, He never even got into Jack Charltons "little black book" even though he err . . volunteered
182 Posted 07/12/2016 at 16:01:44
183 Posted 07/12/2016 at 16:11:27
184 Posted 07/12/2016 at 16:14:45
Colin Harvey reckons he was always first picked for 6-a-side in training despite the world class talent in the squad at the time.
Apparently he didn't go any easier on his team mates, so whoever got first pick made sure he was on their side.
185 Posted 07/12/2016 at 16:23:32
We were by the touch-line halfway between the halfway line and the corner flag.
Morrisey got clattered and landed on the path just in front of us, spark out. Egglestone (I think) came on with the magic sponge, and must have administered smelling salts or something because he came around and sat up straight and demanded who the fuck did that. He was told it was Reaney and said he'd sort the twat out sharpish. And he did. Several times!
We drew and won the replay. Jimmy Gabriel played centre-forward and scored a great header. Great cup tie but don't recall too much thuggery on the night.
186 Posted 07/12/2016 at 16:26:21
187 Posted 07/12/2016 at 16:51:15
188 Posted 07/12/2016 at 17:43:01
To lump those who you claim abused a player who was clearly in real agony with those who want a different manager into the same pot is the rationale of an idiot.
When I want to debate the merits/shortcomings of the manager, I will do so with people who have the mental capacity to understand the difference.
189 Posted 07/12/2016 at 17:49:22
It's a reference to knee-jerk reactions and using mouth (or keyboard) with little use of the brain, but never mind (sigh).
190 Posted 07/12/2016 at 18:02:31
191 Posted 07/12/2016 at 18:16:50
To compare Leeds to the present Utd side is like comparing '70s TV comedy shows with their blatant racist, sexist and homophobic gags, to the politically correct shows of the '90s onwards. They were different times, and I wouldn't have expected a side to play like Man Utd did in today's more 'civilised' times and with the saturation Telly coverage...
As for the 'son' I'm willing to take a DNA test if you want to risk all the pocket money arrears.
192 Posted 07/12/2016 at 18:30:33
Mick, I think the tag of "Dirty Leeds" was well earned and started when they were in the (old) Second Division. The '60s/'70s side could, as has been admitted above, be a superb football team when they wanted to. But they just couldn't resist the urge to play dirty.
Of course, when a team knew they were coming up against Leeds, they behaved accordingly... you need only look at the 1970 FA Cup Final for proof that other teams could mix it, but most teams didn't have that side of their game as their first option; Leeds did.
And, to be fair, it was you who compared Leeds Utd of the past to Man Utd of the present.
"Have honest fights on the pitch" I LOVE nostalgia.
Guy Hastings #166
Funny, very funny!
193 Posted 07/12/2016 at 19:50:57
As I did the FA Trophy match last night at College Rd Crosby, Marine came from 0-2 down to win 3-2 with a last minute penalty in a raw, full blooded but skillful cup tie. It was much more enjoyable than anything I've watched at Goodison for quite some time.
194 Posted 07/12/2016 at 21:11:44
Nothing nostalgic about it; did you see the Man City v Chelsea game at the weekend, or the Preston match, where our former striker Jermaine Beckford had a scrap with his own team mate because he wouldn't pass to him?
Pity none of our present players care that much about the results
195 Posted 07/12/2016 at 21:34:30
I get mad after an abject showing. I can see the faults of Koeman, I support him, but the notion that those saying "Koeman Out" and "Bolasie faking injury" are all on one side is seriously mad.
196 Posted 07/12/2016 at 22:37:08
Now my big fear is that Koeman will look for a slowsaurus, already aging, to fill the gap permanently!
Koeman himself said we'd probably stay shit for a year or two (my extrapolating his views...), so he should help us do even half-way what SAF did, let the youth get blooded!
I'll never let go of that while our main chosen players stay as AVERAGE as they've proven to be this season...
197 Posted 07/12/2016 at 05:10:58
If my memory serves me correctly (I'm waiting for it!) the incident took place near the Park End / Goodison Road corner flag. Sandy Brown had Giles on the deck and punched him in the ribs with a thunderous right hook. I can see the look on Brown's face – he was livid. He look totally dejected as he trudged off the pitch.
Sandy, by the way, was one of the toughest characters I have ever seen in an Everton shirt – Morrisey included. Fred Pickering was another from that era.
My other recollection of that Leeds game was of the very one footed Norman Hunter (gnashes teeth) trying to set himself up to take a free kick and a wag in the crowd shouting "Where's your fucking parrot, Hunter". Hilarious.
As has been mentioned above there were plenty of hatchet men knocking about in those days. One of the most dastardly tackles I recall from that era was McKay on Jimmy Husband.
I feel the worst thing about that tackle and Willie Bells on Derek Temple where that it wasn't a case of fighting fire with fire – Husband and Temple didn't have a malicious bone in their bodies between them.
In more recent times Nolan on Anichebe was a bad one. Nice to see Victor doing well for his old Boss.
Rojo's tackle was terrible and Ibrahimovic meant it. As a team you have to be able to deal with that sort of thing.
The Chinese have a great saying "In battle, only a sword will do". The Moyes teams had a few who could look after business on the pitch if called upon to do so. Regrettably, I don't think we have any such characters in the present squad with the possible exceptions of Barry and Mirallas.
We must be fed up – All Our Yesterday's time again.
198 Posted 08/12/2016 at 05:28:16
We are all a little guilty from time to time of lumping everyone who disagrees with us into the same bracket.
My problem with Steven's posts is, by using the outrage felt by some on a thread about an injured player as an opportunity to label everyone who takes a different view to him about the manager as "Knobheads", he was quite clearly doing the very thing he claims outrages him.
I have never seen a post by Steven on a Koeman related thread, so I look forward to his posts when the next one comes along.
I sincerely hope he has a stronger case than "Anybody who thinks Koeman shouldn't be given at least two years, is a knobhead."
If that's the case for the defence, I'm not sure the prosecution would be arsed turning up.
199 Posted 08/12/2016 at 07:57:34
I alas, was not too young to see the 'Battle of Goodison' as it was labelled – and I'm sorry to say, mate, you are either ill informed or have bought into some sort of revisionism about the era in general and Leeds in particular.
Yes, it was a different game then, and yes every team had 'hardmen'... but none were outright dirty, deliberately snidey dirty... the ball was there to be won and if you were in the way... tough – those were the 'breaks' (no pun intended). Though serous Injuries were rare. A booking was rare and sending's off rarer.
Leeds were, as mentioned just promoted from the 2nd Division. Many of the teams in that division, were never going to get out and didn't want to drop down any further... so it was said that you had to 'kick your way out of it' as well as play enough football to win it... and avoid the drop straight back effect.
To say that Revie and Leeds took this to heart in a big way... is a massive understatement.
Until then, with the exception of 5 mins some grainy B&W coverage of the 1962 World Cup, nobody had seen this sort of behaviour... and, well, it was foreigners so what do you expect.
Revie assembled a good team that could play a bit... and where our own 'hard but fair' Bobby Collins fitted in with all that, is a bit of a mystery... My own take is that he was the 'real deal' of a true hardman, he didn't have to become a faux hardman cos he couldn't play or the worse still like Giles and Bremner who could play...buy into the Bosses ethos due to some lack of moral fibre in their own character... They revelled in it.
So Leeds proceeded to kick their way out of the 2nd Division. and kick their way onwards and upwards of the 1st Division. It was their point of difference, it was a 'new' tactic, it unsettled teams and players, It drew them in, made them forget their Plan A.
It all came to a point in November 1964. It has to be said that there was a bit of history from the previous seasons cup game that were won after a Goodison replay with the crowd in full 'Bear Pit' mode.
That Saturday they were in full snide mode...and we fell into the trap... A stronger Reff might've nipped it in the bud, but it was so far off the wall he just couldn't cope.
I missed the actual tackle that set Sandy off, so I can't comment on just what started it... but I did see Sandy 'finish' it...given the tackles of the day, it must've been really bad...over the top in more ways than one. Sandy obviously thought – nah mate you're not on, that's out of order and decked him.
The whole blatant cheating/unfairness of it and the Reffs lack of punishment raised the crowd from 'Bear pit' to 'Total Apeshit.'...hence the cooling down period... and that + the Dart Throwers led to the 'Iconic' circles behind the goal... which tbf, Improved my view no end.
Any way Mick, that's you basic early Leeds, later on they just got better players and hid the dirt better.
Also, on another note, right into the '70s the rs and Leeds fans got on like a house on fire. At St Ambrose Speke where I was based for a time the rs half would have reciprocal visits and host their opposite Yorks numbers late into the night...y ou are known by the company you keep, writ large.
The fallout from that is where you might've read the revisionist stuff. Leeds just hid the snide better.
200 Posted 08/12/2016 at 07:59:25
I thought the players then responded to the crowd, and looked like they had real belief for the first time in ages, and people left the ground thinking we are not as bad as we have been looking lately.
Maybe this can be the start of the case for the prosecution, Darren!?
201 Posted 08/12/2016 at 10:04:32
Yes, Mick, I saw the Louis Vuitton hand bags being given an outing at the Man City - Chelsea game. Apart from the initial tackle, it was much ado about nothing.
At times like that, instead of jumping in, play ground style, everyone should stand back and let them punch themselves out, and then the ref can get his pack of red cards out. Simple.
I didn't see the Preston fiasco though.
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