Koeman and Walsh open to signing Rooney

Tuesday 28 February 2017  145 Comments  [Jump to last]

Everton's management team have indicated that Wayne Rooney is a player they would welcome at the club if he were to leave Manchester United this summer.

Speculation has been rife that the England star and former Blue's time at Old Trafford is drawing to a close, particularly now that he has broken the Red Devils' all-time goalscoring record and a return to Goodison Park is seen by many as a natural next step.

Rooney left the Toffees in 2004 as a teenager after breaking out of the club's youth academy and has gone on to a glittering career for club and country, scoring more goals at international level now than any England player in history.

Sky Sports are at USM Finch Farm today for a day of special coverage and both Ronald Koeman and director of football Steve Walsh were asked by Adam Leventhal if the 31-year-old Rooney was someone they would consider acquiring if he were available in the summer.

Koeman admitted that he is interested in any player who can improve his team and that Rooney would fall under that category.

“I believe that Wayne Rooney is playing at a high level and he made a good choice to stay at Man United and to stay in in the Premier League because I think he still has two or three years left in front of him.

“What will happen at the end of the season, I don't know. In my opinion, he is one of the players that can make Everton stronger than [the team currently] is.

“It's all about what the player wants and what Man United needs to do. We are not involved in that project but any player we feel can make the team stronger is welcome at Everton.

In a separate interview, Walsh echoed the manager's sentiments, saying that it's natural for Everton to be interested in one of the country's top players.

"Rooney is one of the greatest players ever to play in England,” he said. “For us not to be interested in him it would be wrong. If the opportunity arose for him to come back, and it sat right with everybody, then its something we'd look at.

"He's a class apart. All the things said about him are true and I think he's one of England's greatest ever players, so why would he not be of interest to us?"

 

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Anthony Dwyer
1 Posted 28/02/2017 at 16:44:31
I'm just not convinced that Rooney would be the best way of spending our money.
John Mckay
2 Posted 28/02/2017 at 16:54:45
Not sure Rooney would be the best option for the money. But he would raise expectations and would give a real buzz around the place.

If we was voting here I'd say sign him up.

Oscar Huglin
3 Posted 28/02/2017 at 17:03:43
I say go for it, if only for the romance. Would love to see him back in blue, and you only have to look at Barry to see the incredible influence a committed, experienced addition can have.
Sandra Bowen
4 Posted 28/02/2017 at 17:04:29
It's a big Yes from me. The more winners in the squad, the sooner we become winners in my opinion. Plus the likely possibility that we'll be in the Europa League means that we'll need a bigger squad.

The main thing, however, is that Koeman clearly wants him and that's good enough for me.

Looks like it's going to happen, doesn't it.

Liam Reilly
5 Posted 28/02/2017 at 17:15:10
No no and NO!

He's 32, can't be compared to Barry because he never had the same dedication to looking after himself. There's plenty of time for drinking and smoking when he retires.

If he's no longer good enough for Man Utd, then he's not good enough for their peers and if the club has any real ambition then it needs to look elsewhere.

He's going to be on a massive wedge and will want assurances of starting; so who's place is he going to take; Barkley's?

Oscar Huglin
6 Posted 28/02/2017 at 17:42:46
Liam (#5).

Very passionate there. Take a breath.

He is directly comparable to Barry, who I'm sure you were just as skeptical of when we first signed him, as we all were. He definitely is dedicated to looking after himself.

I don't know what Rooney you've been watching for the last few years, but he's become the model professional. To the point where the media, which loves to bring him down, had to desperately hype it up when he drank at a wedding - what a terrible shame to the nation.

I imagine he'd take a hefty wage cut to return to Everton, too. And I think he'd put his all in for his boyhood club, and the club his kids support.

I don't think he'll have any illusions of taking anyone's place. I'd love to see this team line up next season in a 3-5-2 with wingbacks:

Robles (or new goalkeeper – Butland? Pickford?)
Coleman Keane Holgate Williams Baines
Schneiderlin Gueye
Barkley
Rooney in behind Lukaku

Subs: Stekelenburg, Funes Mori (or another new CB), Davies, McCarthy (or Walsh), Lookman, Bolasie, Mirallas (or Dowell)

Doesn't look bad, huh.

Jason Broome
7 Posted 28/02/2017 at 17:47:00
Positives...

Sentiment aside, at the right price, I would bring him back. Football is a job at the end of the day. Work with David Moyes in a relegation challenging team or Sir Alex Ferguson in a Champions League challenging team. The objective human answer would be...?

I don't think he's over the hill. De Bruyne, Lukaku, Schneiderlin, Mata, Cech, etc. Mourinho has a history of discarding players to soon. Rooney has a couple of years left in him at the top.

Rooney hasn't played as much this season due to the form of Ibrahimovic. That doesn't make him a bad player.

The guy was and still is world class. A captain for his club and country he is a winner, a leader and a top player who scores goals every year at the highest level.

He is essentially as good as Lukaku, at his best possibly better.

Negatives... My only gripe is we'll buy him and sell Lukaku in the summer. Any team with ambition would have both.

Liam Reilly
8 Posted 28/02/2017 at 17:50:57
Disagree wholeheartedly Oscar. I don't see the same model pro as you do and indeed neither does Mourinho; else he'd be starting.

Rooney is not the same player that he was 2-3 years ago and Everton is not the same desperate club; so I just don't see why we are interested in him.

Steve Woods
9 Posted 28/02/2017 at 18:08:33
I have to say that I'm very surprised that both Koeman and Walsh seem so keen on getting Rooney back. Surely his time with us has passed (his choice) and we should be looking at younger players to bring in, mould and shape the team for the future?
Oscar Huglin
11 Posted 28/02/2017 at 18:24:19
Fair enough, Liam (#8). I disagree but I see where you're coming from.

I just think it makes so much sense for all parties.

Richard Reeves
12 Posted 28/02/2017 at 18:48:12
We'd be lucky if he could maintain the level he's at now for the next two or three years but, even now, he doesn't get up and down the pitch fast enough or score enough goals compared to who we could bring in. This will be a backward step and cost quite a lot, IMO as Mourinho is similar to Levy in getting the most for players.

I'd prefer Koeman to spend big on a striker with a good goal ratio and bring in Liam Walsh to get some experience in that position or let Steve Walsh identify someone who won't cost that much but who could be a prolific goalscorer.

Rooney will find himself deeper in midfield when he should be further forward and eventually get the crowd on his back because he won't offer enough and is preventing other players getting a game.
Clive Mitchell
13 Posted 28/02/2017 at 18:50:44
Oh dear.
Winston Williamson
14 Posted 28/02/2017 at 18:50:49
I'd personally have him back.

He makes and scores goals. Simple as that really.

He wouldn't take anyone's place, as he'd have to earn his place like everyone else.

He's a step up on all our current attacking players, except Barkley and Lukaku.

He'd be a marketing dream too.

John Voigt
15 Posted 28/02/2017 at 18:52:22
How much a week does Rooney currently make?

How much of a pay cut would he have to make to join Everton?

If wage weren't a deciding factor there might be a chance (but I think the chance is basically zero because of his current wage cost).

Patrick Murphy
16 Posted 28/02/2017 at 18:57:51
John (#15),

What if the club promised him a number of shares or similar, to make up for his lost earnings in the short-term, despite what many people think, the lad is as much a blue as Kenwright and I'm sure he would jump at the chance to end his proper footballing career at Everton.

I'm really torn as to whether it is a good move for Everton FC or a disaster in the making – if it was used to placate the loss of Rom or Ross – I'd have to say thanks but no thanks... but, if it is a move that supplements those two and the team I'd have to seriously consider it. Don't forget if Rooney wants to be on the plane to Russia next year he has to be playing football at the highest level.

Tony McNulty
17 Posted 28/02/2017 at 18:59:41
Regular match-going Man Utd fans I know reckon he hasn't been cutting it for at least a season and a half.

Maybe Walsh and Co see a way of rejuvenating him.

I would have thought we'd have wanted to be moving forward rather than being perceived as a rest home for "slightly used" former Man Utd stars.

Jay Harris
18 Posted 28/02/2017 at 19:00:20
Oscar I am with Liam on this.

He is not at all comparable to Barry.

It is a well known fact that Rooney was in decline when Ferguson was there and had a few run ins with him over his "lifestyle".

He is known to smoke and drink and although he conducts himself better in public these days he is certainly not in peak condition.

A top class Rooney would be in anyones team so why is Mourhino sidelining him.

He would not be a good role model for the youngsters and has spent his best years winning things for the Mancs.

Now they don't want him it is being suggested we become his retirement home.

No thanks.

John Pierce
19 Posted 28/02/2017 at 19:03:45
The World Cup 2018, always a motivating factor, turning down China, limited game time at United all point to the obvious.

The balance to be struck is between on the field, adding brains to a team sadly lacking in them, and the off field commercials which add to the profile of a club determined to raise its global appeal.

I think it would right to certainly look at it. You'd hope sentiment on both sides will bring him in on an equitable deal.

His experience would be needed should we make the Europa League and in games like last Saturday were we still look short of ideas against teams like Sunderland. Plus influence in the dressing room.

Would there be a Rooney bounce!? A return to a club he started at and with 2018 to aim for. I think its worth 12 months, certainly with the 'wheels' we have in the team which might protect Rooney's ailing physicality.

I still think in a blue shirt he'd still have it in him to ruin Bigstand FC single-handed.

I'm in.

Mike Dolan
20 Posted 28/02/2017 at 19:07:45
Wayne Rooney to Everton! This is the no-brainer of no-brainers, of course we should sign him and pay him his obscenely rich contract.

What do we get in return?

Instant cred. Wayne is still a world class striker and midfielder his signing would symbolize to the whole world our ambitions as a club. As Steve Walsh said just yesterday he would sell jerseys. Think FFP here he puts us back on the map.

Makes us instantly a potent attacking force. Playing with Ross behind Lukaku he creates a lot of space and diverts a lot of attention away from the big man. Rooney might never score as many goals as he once did but the team will score more goals with him in it.

His age and experience would really help bring on our younger players for the next critical couple of years. A perfect signing if we can make it happen.

Andy Riley
21 Posted 28/02/2017 at 19:17:01
My heart tells me yes but my head says in 12 months we may be comparing this with the return of another prodigal son – David Johnson. Remember how Howard Kendall brought him back and that all ended in tears?
Colin Glassar
22 Posted 28/02/2017 at 19:29:03
Only after an exhaustive physical and psychological exam to see if he still has the legs and hunger to play at the highest level. It's no use getting him back if he's only thinking of a cushy retirement.

He'd also have to accept a massive wage cut as he won't be getting more than £100k p/w with us. If he passes his tests and takes the pay cut then yes, I'd have him back.

Adam Luszniak
23 Posted 28/02/2017 at 19:41:28
We're all forgetting we're billionaires now. Let's say we had ONLY £40m (for the sake of argument) to spend, would you spend it on a 32yr old striker? Of course not. What if we had far more money to spend. If we could hold on to Lukaku, bring in Rooney, and buy a young striker, would you see that as a sensible option? I would.

Okay, Rooney is not setting the world alight at the moment. He is still an outstanding footballer. Plenty of players move from one team to another and find a new lease of life, regaining form. Not to mention the value of having a player with his experience in the squad. Imagine what Barkley and Davies could learn from an England Captain.

Then there is the obvious marketing potential. Many young football fans won't even know Rooney started his career at Everton. His return would be a huge boost to our media exposure and like it or not that is one of the keys to success in modern football.

To me it boils down to this. Rooney would be a luxury, albeit a luxury with several benefits. If you can afford the luxury to get the benefits, without crippling yourself, it seems like a no-brainer to me.

Paul Mackie
24 Posted 28/02/2017 at 19:53:16
If he will accept a massive wage cut and a 24 month contract max, then I'd take him back.

Despite what Mourinho thinks, Rooney is far from finished. I think playing for his boyhood team, the one despite all the shit he (perhaps deservedly) got from fans that he's raised his kids to support, that might give him an extra performance boost that he wouldn't get at Man Utd.

I'm willing to bet he'd trade all his accomplishments with Man Utd for lifting a trophy with Everton.

Jon Cox
25 Posted 28/02/2017 at 20:13:08
Col (#22),

Your first para. You obviously know nothing about the man who is Rooney or Psychology. The man is a multimill dude... So your question is "does money matter?"

Last 2 or 3 years of his footy life? the amount in his bank account, Work it out for your self. "Hunger to play at the highest level." The guy played football, as a kid, in the street, as a fictitious Everton player.

Do you think as an Everton supporter that no matter what you did, in your footballing life at the end of the day, you still love Everton.

We are dealing with love here. So, emotion aside, if I was Rooney, my question would be: "how much more as a percent would I put in because I'm nearly finished, but I'd die for Everton."

Rooney has to come home; it's that simple... and that poetic!

Gavin Johnson
26 Posted 28/02/2017 at 20:25:45
Everton won't be Wayne Rooney's retirement home.

Rooney sign for a couple of seasons in a deal that will suit all parties, he'll then finish his career in China or America. He'll only be 33 in two seasons time. Plenty of time still for a big pay day in China.

I'm looking forward to seeing this happen. It makes sense in so many ways.

James Hughes
27 Posted 28/02/2017 at 20:46:37
I am probably wrong on this but I thought the club received no income from shirt sales. The deal was for a set amount each each year regardless of sales of 'jerseys'.

Forget his age, he is no Zlatan, he will not add value to this team.

Jamie Sweet
28 Posted 28/02/2017 at 21:21:47
Sign him up for two years, let him help bring back Champions League football, then sell him to China for twice what we paid to Man Utd.

So long as we have the financial muscle to bring him in AND strengthen in the other key areas then why not?

It would be a massive statement of intent and make sports headlines all around the globe!

Those of you who are (justifiably) sceptical... just take one moment to visualise him scoring the winner at Anfield .

Brian Wilkinson
29 Posted 28/02/2017 at 21:41:34
Those who think if he's not good enough at Man Utd, take a good look at Schneiderlin and Dempsey. Also, did Mourinho not think Lukaku was good enough? Did they also not think Pogba was not good enough first time round?

If that is some fans' way of thinking then we should forget about Man Utd cast-offs Keane and Heaton at Burnley.

I hope we go for Rooney, one hell of a football brain and still a few years left in him yet. He's still quite a few years younger than Man Utd's Ibrahimovic.

Dave Older
30 Posted 28/02/2017 at 22:06:14
I can't believe we are talking about this. Koeman wants high energy and pace in his squad right? So why on earth does he think Wayne Rooney is going to fit in to our first 11??? Yes, he is a winner, yes he has had a great career, I am not disputing that. Is he really going to replace Lukaku in the Summer???

It's a lovely romantic idea because he is an Everton fan at heart, but seriously?? Maybe if he played in behind Rom but we have Ross for that role. Do we really want to pay him god knows how much money just to be a mentor to the young ones? I hope this doesn't happen personally.
Brian Williams
31 Posted 28/02/2017 at 22:25:02
Lot of sentimentality on show here, lots of thinking how great it could be, as if to make up for all the years he wasn't here or to try to recapture what might have been.

People claiming he'd give up all he's won at Man Utd to win a trophy with Everton are looking at it (quite understandably) purely from a supporters point of view. They seem to forget that as much an Evertonian as Rooney was/is he chose to leave to pursue a hugely successful career. I don't blame him one bit for that but he chose to do that as a teenager. Now he's much more mature, will he make a decision based purely on sentiment? I actually think he'd view a move back as a step down.

Personally I would rather concentrate on building a young, hungry team/squad and confine Rooney's time with us to the past.

We need to move on and get over the fact he was here and left. Move forward, be ruthless, be successful – not nostalgic.
Gavin Johnson
32 Posted 28/02/2017 at 22:36:08
I'd love to know the details of the deal we reportedly offered Man Utd in January. For me, the fee would be only point of contention and it would be interesting to know what kind of money Man Utd would be expecting in the summer.

If Rooney signs, we'll make money from shirt sales that will help subsidise the £100,000+ a week he'll be on. But it won't make sense if we have to pay a huge fee as well. That's the only sticking point for me. Rooney is still a top player and could make a big contribution, both off and on the pitch.

Too many on this thread sound like scorned lovers. He'll be a great signing if the terms are right.

Ed Fitzgerald
33 Posted 28/02/2017 at 22:46:19
Brian at 29 – It's not sentimentality but sheer delusion and sycophancy from some posters on here, poetic FFS. We need to be buying players in their early 20s with their career in front of them – not the likes of Rooney.
Gavin Johnson
34 Posted 28/02/2017 at 22:48:50
We've got lots of young players though, Ed. We also need some winners and leaders too.
Ed Fitzgerald
35 Posted 28/02/2017 at 23:07:28
And we already have some older players: Williams, Schneiderlin, Coleman, Baines.

We will need more players if we are in the Europa League next season but I wouldn't want stupid money throwing away on Rooney. He hasn't played that much for Man Utd in the last couple of seasons and he has been mostly poor... ask Man Utd fans!

Would you pay him more than Lukaku? Because he will expect it...

Gavin Johnson
36 Posted 28/02/2017 at 23:25:02
I wouldn't say Schneiderlin and Coleman are old players at 27 & 28 respectively, Ed. They're both in their prime.

I should imagine Rooney would get parity with the new deal Rom is meant to be signing, should he sign. I would have absolutely no problem with that on a 2 year deal. The commercial exposure and revenue from shirt sales alone will cover that outlay.

IMO he'd also make a big contribution on the pitch. There's no need for sentimentality. Rooney will be a good signing for Everton, both off and on the pitch, if we sign him on the right terms. I wouldn't pay a huge fee for him and don't see how United would expect that, because they aren't going to get it from a European club.

I'll trust Koeman and Steve Walsh on this one. They've done a good job up to now.

Denis Richardson
37 Posted 28/02/2017 at 23:25:04
Jeez, please let this not happen.

Too old for Man Utd, why would we want him? He's nowhere near the player he used to be. Let him go to China and get a few more million in his bank account.

He's not better than Lukaku and he is not and never will be a top midfielder. Really would be a backward step, IMO, to sign him.

Ed Fitzgerald
38 Posted 28/02/2017 at 23:43:46
Gavin, we will just have to disagree it's all about opinions. I think signing Rooney will be a retrograde step, you think it will be a good thing.

I'm not convinced one iota that it will be some kind of marketing coup either. Let's face it not all of us are moved to get all teary eyed and poetic, some people are incandescent with rage. I just think its a bit of a lazy move to be honest.

Denis Richardson
39 Posted 28/02/2017 at 23:46:43
Those going on about shirt sales. If memory serves me well we still have the kitbag contract which pays us £3m a year and not a penny more. They take anything above that – i.e. bringing Rooney in would be a tidy earner for kitbag, unless the contract was terminated or renegotiated (which would probably be the case and cost us money).

From a footballing sense bringing him back makes no sense at all. He's hardly going to fit into a fast-paced pressing game!

Steve Carse
40 Posted 28/02/2017 at 00:01:45
Correct Dennis (#39). Extra shirt sales will not benefit Everton at all as I understand the contract with kitbag. Nor will Rooney put extra bums on seats since we are filling Goodison Park every week anyway.
Raymond Fox
41 Posted 01/03/2017 at 00:10:29
Do I want him our squad? Of course.

Like most things, it comes down to money.

Lewis Barclay
42 Posted 28/02/2017 at 00:12:04
Given everything I read above it seems that this is going to happen!

Seriously, if this is going to happen, then I'd be happy as long as we sign equally inspirational players (outside of Rooney) and don't lose players because we sign Rooney!

Rooney has to be a luxury purchase, commercially lucrative and financially viable for a team that wants to compete in the top four regularly.

I actually believe that a long-term blue (like Rooney) would have the "nouse" to realise that moving back to the fold (for a reduced salary) might return commercial value, along a dockside stadium, a long-term contract for Lukaku, Davies, Gueye and Holgate to return his boyhood club to the place it could have been if he'd stayed all those years ago.

Retribution could sound harsh, but he gave his talent to another club. Bring it back, only to a club that has a chance to become better.

COYB

David Israel
43 Posted 01/03/2017 at 00:44:41
I suspect that, for Koeman to be so explicit about this, Rooney is very much willing to come back (there's also the supposedly failed transfer in January to support this).

He must know that he'll have to take a sharp cut to his wages. Frankly, if he was after a cosy retirement still earning lots of dosh (as if £ 100 k a week or thereabouts was just change...) he would take the China option.

Of course Man. Utd. will try to get a reasonable amount of money for him, but we can always try some add-ons, like they did when they signed him from us. Say, another couple of million pounds once he scores his first hat-trick, or if he scores the winner at Old Trafford and across the park.

As for my views on his possible return, I hesitate. If only he was a couple of years younger... I try not to be sentimental on stuff like this, but it's not easy, especially when one's mourning the departure of the great Alex Young.

Mick Davies
44 Posted 01/03/2017 at 03:45:06
"Please, Mr Man Utd benchwarmer, ('slurp') could you please come back ('lick lick'), all the badge kissing is forgiven ('suck'). We know you're into your 30s and have the physique of a Sumo wrestler, but we worship the ground you wobble on and would like you to take Tom Davies out of the side... or maybe Barkley.

We will break the bank to pay you 10 times what top scorer Lukaku gets, and you can even be captain of this small club, because you are bigger than Dixie, Bally, the Golden Vision etc.

Please come back, and bring Stretford with you, as I'm sure he could help some of our players to make shady, covert exits from the club, leaving you to be the great blue-and-white hope – once a blue... "

Gareth Rosslee
45 Posted 01/03/2017 at 07:00:26
Lukaku / Rooney / Barkley / Davies / Schneiderlin / Gueye / Baines / Williams / Keane / Coleman / Robles

With Calvert-Lewin / Lookman / McCarthy / Barry / Besic / Funes Mori / Holgate in reserve.

Seems like a quality team to me.

Laura Round
46 Posted 01/03/2017 at 07:45:59
Man Utd fans calling for a swap deal with Lukaku... 😂😂😂
Dermot Byrne
47 Posted 01/03/2017 at 08:37:38
I wouldn't swap him for Valencia!
Daniel Lawrence
48 Posted 01/03/2017 at 08:38:36
Get used to it, people, it's happening.
Tony Hill
49 Posted 01/03/2017 at 08:43:57
"Never go back" is a fair piece of wisdom in life, and especially in sport. I am an admirer of Rooney, who has been a great player, but he isn't right for us.
Ian Burns
50 Posted 01/03/2017 at 08:48:27
I was disappointed when he left but I have always wanted success for the lad at Man Utd and England simply because he was a fantastic player. The operative word here is "was" – and bringing him back flies in the face of football logic.

Even if some on here think he can still cut it, nobody can deny he is on a downward path at the end of his career – he would be joining a team on an upward path and in my opinion wrong player at the wrong time = a disaster waiting to happen.

Ed Fitzgerald
51 Posted 01/03/2017 at 09:06:02
David @43

I am sure you didn't mean it but it's disrespectful to conflate Evertonians sentiment and sense of loss over the passing over a true Everton legend Alex Young with the potential return of Rooney.

Is Rooney a Man Utd legend? Well he should be in statistical terms but do their supporters view him as such? – not really as many of them view him as a bit of a mercenary who negotiated his £300k a week salary by threatening to go to Man City.

You only need to read the excellent article on this site about Alex's Young wife to realise the affection and genuine warmth the Golden Vision had for the fans.

Compare that to Rooney's conduct after he left, slating us in the press and carrying on like Steven Gerrard when he scored at Goodison.

James Newcombe
52 Posted 01/03/2017 at 09:24:01
FFS lads, lets see if Gazza's up for a few games too? There is no point paying Rooney all that cash every week and benching one of the younger players to make room for him. I'd hoped our club now had more of a vision than this.
Martin Faulkner
53 Posted 01/03/2017 at 10:31:50
On a free and minimum wages, maybe...

Otherwise... no thanks.

Mike Berry
54 Posted 01/03/2017 at 10:54:04
A good piece in today's Express on this plus the above.

I assume if Ronald wants him then there must be a possibility, however if he is not going to uproot his family,lose his England chances then he will not be going to China, so its a possibility.

With this in mind he will have to lower his salary if staying in Europe no matter where he goes, therefore he is fair game.

I think its a great option for the player, and a great PR option for us. Additionally some players click in different team set ups and he could be a revitalized and a brilliant acquisition

Yes I understand the "never go back" but those are just words!! if he acts as a catalyst to a trophy or a spring board to greater things then yes I can see it happening.

Also the naysayers will be astounded when the roof comes off at Goodison when he makes his renewed debut, and walks onto the pitch. More chance of getting a ticket to see a re incarnated Elvis, than that I am sure.

Martin Nicholls
55 Posted 01/03/2017 at 10:58:19
Martin (#53) – agreed, and with no guarantee of playing time. We'd then see how much of a Blue he is.
Kieran Fitzgerald
58 Posted 01/03/2017 at 11:27:06
I honestly don't think Utd will look for a large fee for him. I think they will respect what he has done for them with a low fee and more cynically will want to get Rooney off their wage bill.

With his agent having already been very publically in China a move is definitely on in the summer. We would have enough time between now and the summer to enter into negotiations to try and hammer out a deal that suits all parties.

Kevin O'Regan
59 Posted 01/03/2017 at 11:49:17
Lyndon - time for a new TW poll me thinks.
Dale Rose
60 Posted 01/03/2017 at 11:58:18
Comfy in retirement. What a load of bollocks. Old age retirement pension is £160 per week. Rooney will be living the high life for the rest of his life on what he has earned.

If he wants to come back fine, I can't argue his ability. Reflect on this though it would take a pensioner 12 years to earn what he earns in week. The game is full of greedy bastards.

Be concerned for the fans who pay their hard earned money every week so we can talk on here about a wage cut to £100k per week.

Keith Conchie
61 Posted 01/03/2017 at 12:01:54
He was a great player, no doubt about it. But that's a big WAS. He's past his best, and would bring nothing to this team now, apart from being a back up player on the bench, which he can do at Man Utd on his big fat salary.

No thanks.

We're looking forward and not backwards.

Peter Morris
62 Posted 01/03/2017 at 12:21:42
Mr Moshiri said he didn't want Everton to become a museum, and I say "here, here" to that. What would bringing a faded and washed up Rooney back to Everton say about our ambitions? A museum for players after their career with so called bigger clubs are over?

He made his decision in 2004, and I don't blame him so much for that. Just look at his medal cabinet. I find it harder to forgive the badge kissing though – that just stinks.

There are some examples of senior players changing their style of play and going on to enjoy an Indian summer-just look at Pirlo, and others. Dave Mackay at Derby, Bobby Moore at Fulham(showing my age!)

But major questions would remain for me.

Who would he displace? Would he prepared to be a squad player at Everton, yet not a Man Utd? What does it say to the likes of Tom Davies if space is made for the 'return of the prodigal'?

Would he REALLY want to join Everton if we were 200 miles from his home rather than 25 miles?

For me, if he offered to sign and donate ALL of his salary to EitC (the last thing he needs is a last pay day), then I might be sold on the idea that he wanted to return to Everton because he felt he owed us something.

Matt Butlin
63 Posted 01/03/2017 at 12:30:18
I remember Beardsley going back to the Toon and supplying the ammunition for Andy Cole but I can't help but think that adding Rooney to our squad will just hold us back until he's obviously ready to retire.
Mark Morrissey
64 Posted 01/03/2017 at 12:36:37
Can't wait to see him huffing and puffing towards the Gwladys Street after scoring his one solitary goal of the season 2017-18, lifting his shirt up and pulling it over his sweaty bonce, only to reveal a white tee-shirt with words "Once a Blue, then a Red".

The silence is deafening. Still it shows Steve Walsh is earning his corn !?! he's done well to unearth this fucking gem. This would be a backward step of epic proportions. Can't we go in for Juan Mata? Oh no, I forgot, he's still good enough for Man Utd.

Anyway, wanting Rooney back at this stage of his career best tuck themselves up in bed with a good Mills & Boon novel. He is simply not good enough for Man Utd nor Everton. Two seasons ago "yes" but then he wasn't offered to us 2 seasons ago. Why? cos he was still doing it then. He's washed up and staring down the other side of the hill and who's going to hold his hand whilst he walks down it when once he could run up it? Everton!! Wake up and smell the coffee, Mr Walsh. Say "No thanks".

Steve Hogan
65 Posted 01/03/2017 at 12:39:03
Peter (#62)

The Rooney debate could go on forever, but I don't believe one of the reason's he would come back to Everton is for the money.

If that was the case, he could go and play in the 'softies' league' in the USA for probably double what he would earn at Everton.

Tim Wardrop
66 Posted 01/03/2017 at 12:40:42
No.
Steve Mink
67 Posted 01/03/2017 at 12:45:19
I'm with Liam.
Nay, nay and thrice nay.
Tony J Williams
68 Posted 01/03/2017 at 13:01:18
Either way I'm not overly concerned. It would be interesting to see and he would certainly improve the squad.

Posters are saying he is playing poorly this season but he isn't playing in his correct position as Zlatan has taken that space.

It's like when old whisky nose put him on the wing.

It would seem to be that Maureen isn't interested in him and I'm not one whose convinced with his judgement. He binned Lukaku and also Mata, look how that ended up?

If he comes it will be interesting to see how it goes and he will still have time to get his ridiculous wages from China in a year or two.

Dan Nulty
69 Posted 01/03/2017 at 13:28:50
Without a shadow of a doubt, Rooney improves our match day squad. Would he prove an inspiration and a good sounding board to the young footballers coming through? I would think so?

As for not fitting in to Koeman's style of play well some of you lot clearly watch him through bitter tinted glasses. At Man United he is often accused of trying too hard and how many times do you see him tackling someone at left back or right back. Who would you rather coming off the bench when we need a goal to win the game, Valencia, Kone, Lookman or a hungry Wayne Rooney. I know who my last tenner would be on to score us the next goal out of that list.

If he was coming back for a final pay day then I might be more reticent but I don't believe he would be given the huge pay cut he would have to take. That is predominantly why I can't see this happening unless Stretford is planning on retiring as I believe Rooney is his only client now and therefore he would be steering him towards the biggest pay day possible hence his trip to China, I imagine he has probably gone to the states also.

If Rooney ends up back with us then it will be because he feels he owes us something and wants to give something back to the club other than his transfer fee which kept us going for a few years.

The thought of him lifting a trophy with Everton will hopefully be driving his next move and having someone in the dressing room that hungry for success who is used to working in the exacting environments under Fergie and Mourinho where anything less than your best is unacceptable is surely a good thing.

The days are gone of this club being a last step before retirement. Koeman will make that crystal clear and if he has any doubts I don't believe we will sign him.

Nicholas Ryan
70 Posted 01/03/2017 at 13:33:16
To those who say 'If he's not good enough for Man Utd, he's not good enough for us...' I have just two words: Morgan Schneiderlin.
Kim Vivian
71 Posted 01/03/2017 at 13:40:25
Well said, Mr Ryan<.br>
Denis Richardson
72 Posted 01/03/2017 at 13:47:15
Nicholas (#70), those saying he's not good enough for united are likely saying that because he's too old/slow to get into their side regularly. Not exactly a like for like comparison with Schneiderlin, who btw at 27, is 4 years younger than Rooney and in his prime.

I don't see many 32-year-old strikers banging in goals in the league. Defoe is the only one I can think of and he is a different player to Rooney and still has pace at 34.

Other than marketing (non shirt) money, I don't really see what benefit Rooney would bring on the pitch to the club at the age of 31 (almost 32 in the summer). He doesn't bring much to united at present.

His reason for a move would no doubt be the World Cup in 2018 but can he really give us anything on the pitch that improves us? He's not going to be running round pressing the opposition, playing Koeman's preferred high tempo game.

Also I'm not sure having such a big distracting personality at the club would be positive for overall team moral. He'll come with a media circus and a relatively massive wage.

Barry Rathbone
73 Posted 01/03/2017 at 13:56:08
Watching Wayne at Man Utd, you could see he figured out how to play in "spells" as Giggs, Scholes, Keane, Ronaldo et al were enough to occupy most opposition. He could wander about conserving energy waiting for "the moment" which he usually finished with aplomb.

But I haven't seen him change up a gear since 2011 when the only Man Utd player to come out of the Champions League Wembley thrashing by Barca with credit was him.

For all that, I'd still like to give the lad a go. The idea of him holding the FA Cup beaming to camera "This means more to me than anything I've ever won" appeals on so many levels.

But the cold hard evidence of what I see on the pitch... then again I remember Paul Power and being equally incredulous; but what a contribution that lad made.

David Israel
74 Posted 01/03/2017 at 14:16:36
Ed (#51), of course I didn't mean to be disrespectful, but I see your point.

What I meant is, during a period of loss such as this, it is easy to let oneself be carried away by sentiment, however different Young's and Rooney's outlooks may have been.

Paul Holmes
75 Posted 01/03/2017 at 14:18:00
Well said, Koeman and Walsh, I believe we are heading in the right direction with winners at the helm. Schneiderlin could not get in the Man Utd team because of OAP Carrick, and Lukaku could not get in the Chelsea team because of Demba Ba, so Mourinho has got previous with good players. They know that the name Rooney in our squad would strengthen the mindset of the team to be winners.

Ibrahimovic is a 35-year-old who proves the point that age is not always the main problem. In my opinion, Rooney would be a great signing for the next two years to help bring on the youngsters. The same people on here complained about selling Naismith and that player struggles to get in a Championship Norwich team!

Tom Bowers
76 Posted 01/03/2017 at 14:48:47
Rooney is still a top player and under another manager could still be starting each game for Man Utd. The man still has a lot to give the right club as long as he is fully fit but can Everton use him?

As a striker, I think we all agree his best days are gone but his guile and experience behind the strikers could still be invaluable for a season or two.

Whilst sentiment is factored in to a degree with our comments and maybe with a decision to end his career back at Everton it mustn't be overlooked that the Blues now have some good youngsters maturing quickly which could make it difficult for him to play regularly as a starter but it could well be he isn't too worried about that.

John Daley
77 Posted 01/03/2017 at 15:40:38
Come on now, Nicholas (@70),

The fact you chose to stop after two words doesn't mean there is only two that need be said when the subject of Man Utd cast-offs securing a top flight career extension at Everton crops up.

Why, there's at least twelve more I can think of that you opted to remain tight lipped over: Tom Cleverley, Darron Gibson, Phil Neville, Tim Howard, Louis Saha, Jasper Blomqvist.

Stopping dead after saying "Morgan Schneiderlin", paints about as complete a picture as a shifty looking street seller shouting "FREE FANNY!!" at the top of his lungs, before lightly muttering under his (Fray Bentos fragranced) breath: "..Brice Album! The Original Funny Girl Squawks The Songs She Made Famous."

Dan Nulty
78 Posted 01/03/2017 at 15:43:43
Denis, what are you on about. The bloke keeping him out of the starting line up at Man Utd is 35 and has scored 26 times this season.

How you can say he doesn't improve our squad is beyond me. And I've never heard anyone criticise his work rate in any game he has played so why people are saying he can't play the pressing game is beyond me. Enner Valencia or Rooney? Have a word with your self.

He went to Man Utd. Get over it. He has loads to give not just on the pitch. I can't see it happening but would be happy if it did.

Ed Fitzgerald
79 Posted 01/03/2017 at 15:51:21
Dan.

Are you seriously comparing Zlatan as an athlete with Rooney? The only similarity is that both are arrogant twats

John Daley
80 Posted 01/03/2017 at 16:05:17
Yes, he went to Man Utd. Thirteen years ago.

"Get over it" is right, but whether it should be aimed at those who are no longer arsed about him/aren't salivating at the prospect of him possibly coming back is questionable in the extreme. Especially, when there's Evertonians still swearing blind he's more blue than those winged monkey's out of The Wizard Of Oz and will fly just as high despite being way heftier.

Dermot Byrne
81 Posted 01/03/2017 at 16:18:44
Dead right, John D.

Bottom line is whether he will make us better. The "he went to Man Utd" vs "he's one of us" debate is OK to bang on about when having a crap day or drunk but it's about the future. I think he would add naff all and Sky (who too many people seem to think run our club), would drop the story within a week of him signing.

To me it would be like when we signed Gazza and that French guy who was at end of his career.

Dan Nulty
82 Posted 01/03/2017 at 16:26:15
It just seems the arguments against signing him are just quoting stuff that isn't true. Players older than him are still scoring.

Gone are the days when Rooney is photographed looking over weight. Every time he plays he works hard for the team so no one can say he isn't fit enough.

Is he still better than some in our squad? Yes. That is what this is about, not the messiah returns or anything like that. Koeman says it all, signings have to have ambition and to fit in to the way he wants to play,

Koeman will take any emotion out of decision, if we sign him he will have to take a huge pay cut on what he could earn by staying at united or going to China and that will tell you everything about how ambitious he is for Everton.

I think Stretford will point him to the money and therefore this thread is a waste of time. There are still a lot of bitter people on here who aren't looking at things objectively.

Eugene Ruane
83 Posted 01/03/2017 at 16:27:48
GREAT!! FREE FANN...oh.

(shoves 2 litre Hai Karate bottle back under kitchen sink)

James Hughes
84 Posted 01/03/2017 at 16:28:07
Everton do not need Rooney anymore.

We are not a team lacking direction or motivation (at the moment) and appear to have more than Plan A & B. So why would we want him?

He has experience, skills and has won loads of medals, yet struggles to get into poor England and Man Utd teams. So why would we want him?

The media would view it a both a return for the prodigal son but also a step down for Rooney. So why would we want Him?

I love the idealism of the blue boy coming back home yet fail to see what he can or would add to the team. Seems to me a bit like signing Gazza and Ginola, we needed them at the time, those days have gone. So why would we want him?

Wayne is/has been a great player and is a Toffee like the rest of us. He left for a reason and, even with kissing a Manc badge (after getting so much abuse), I cannot hold ill-feeling to him anymore.

He is a bluenose and is welcome in the ground and around the pitch... please not on the pitch.

Come home Wayne, just not as a player.

Jerome Shields
85 Posted 01/03/2017 at 16:52:54
If Everton sign Rooney, as a supporter of Everton since the sixties, I will finally lose total interest in following a team that is going nowhere. Rooney hasn't been up to standard for at least 5 years. The odd game and a bit more motivation at the last World Cup, were the height of it. I bet he takes the Chinese money and forgets about Everton.
Ed Fitzgerald
86 Posted 01/03/2017 at 17:04:14
Dan Nulty,

Your argument regarding age is nonsense. Of course there are players older than him still scoring and still playing regularly because they are fitter and better than him, eg, Zlatan and Defoe to name two currently playing Premier League football. Rooney has spent much of the last two years on the bench or injured.

Do you think he actually wants to leave Man Utd? Does he fuck, he is being shown the door and would prefer to be here than chance his arm in China.

Shane Corcoran
87 Posted 01/03/2017 at 17:11:52
His wages wouldn't be a problem would they?

Surely with him having made so much money in his career, he'd play for his beloved Blues for next to nothing. He bleeds blue and all that.

John Daley
88 Posted 01/03/2017 at 17:22:48
Dan @82,

You dismiss the arguments against bringing Rooney back by saying they boil down to people 'just saying stuff that isn't true', before following up with this whopper: 

"Gone are the days when Rooney is photographed looking over weight. Every time he plays he works hard for the team so no one can say he isn't fit enough."

Well, they can and they have. Fairly recently too.

Here's a few instances in which Rooney's 'weight' and general fitness have been publicly questioned this season:

"If someone had only heard of Wayne Rooney but seen him now they'd think ‘Who is this fella? He's overweight and slow. It looks like he can't move or shift his body quick enough."

Paul Parker, August 2016

"I actually thought he looked overweight to be honest. That sharpness had gone out of his game. Everything he did, as you'd expect, it was safe. It was a lot of passing sideways."

Jason McAteer, October 2016


"He is 31-years-old but he has got the mileage of a 36-year-old with what he has done in his career and the velocity that he played at, the scrutiny and the pressure. In fact, he is probably in a 40-year-old athlete's body."

Rio Ferdinand, January 2017

Now, admittedly, the triumvirate above have all been terribly tainted by the twig of twattery (whether they touched it willingly, had it wanged at them in the street or just woke up one morning with mysterious splinters in their arse, matters not). So, in the sake of fairness, here's a few words from the man himself, talking about the toll the game has taken on his body:

"Physically I've taken a bit of a battering over the years; being lumped by Transformer-sized centre-backs or having my muscles smashed by falls, shoulder barges and last-ditch tackles, day-in, day-out, has left me a bit bruised. When I get up in the morning after a game, I struggle to walk for the first half-an-hour. I ache a bit. It wasn't like that when I was a lad. I remember sometimes when I finished training or playing with Everton and United, I'd want to play some more. But football has had a massive impact on my body because my game is based on speed, power and intensity."

Unfortunately, that wasn't as recent as this season. Nope. That was from five years ago, in 2012.

Five years ago, when he was in his prime, he was struggling to potter about the house after waking up the day after a match, yet there are people claiming he's still fit as a fiddle and could carry on at the top for a good few years yet?

John Parker
89 Posted 01/03/2017 at 17:36:05
I was gutted when he left, but don't blame him; we were going nowhere. If he'd stayed, we would have improved no doubt, but he had ambition and it proved a great move for him. I never booed him once, so it's not resentment that doesn't want him back, it's just that he's not good enough to get in our team; it's a backward step.

Unlike Barry, he was our best midfielder for a couple of years. We need to develop Barkley and sign younger players than Rooney, who will shape your team for the next few years.

Michael Winstanley
90 Posted 01/03/2017 at 17:41:33
Whatever.

Koeman wants him.

Dan Nulty
91 Posted 01/03/2017 at 18:04:38
Fair play to you, John, I can't argue with the amount of googling and research you have done there, or did you just open you Rooney scrap book and pick out some tweets you have kept for posterity!

He still works hard in my opinion, he wouldn't be allowed to do anything else and if he turns up with us, then to take a huge wage cut and commit to Koeman he will put the hard yards in he will get my respect. If he doesn't earn it then I'll agree with the rest and say he is done.

It doesn't take much for a professional athlete to get themselves in top condition if they are hungry enough. I hope he does do; I'm confident he wouldn't want to let his boys down who are old enough now to understand whether he is playing well or not. As I said though, I am more confident he will follow the money, we aren't going to match his £300k per week that is for sure.

Patrick Murphy
92 Posted 01/03/2017 at 18:12:53
I'm still not sure if Rooney returning to Goodison is a good move for Everton FC. However, citing the fact that he will take a cut in wages as a selling point doesn't tip my judgement, as I would ask if Wayne was paid £100k pw which other, younger, talented players could we attract for that sort of wage?

Assuming any new contracts for Rom and Ross will see them benefit from a hike in wages, would they be happy to earn less than the former blue?

Brian Williams
93 Posted 01/03/2017 at 18:15:49
Another way to look at this is for people to ask themselves; If he'd never played for Everton and went to Man Utd from another club, would you want to sign him in the summer?

I wouldn't. I'd want to sign someone younger with years ahead of them, not someone on a downward trajectory with nothing to prove and without the hunger to achieve.

Lev Vellene
94 Posted 01/03/2017 at 18:35:03
I know I've 'nay'ed' the notion of Rooney returning earlier, but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense for him to return (provided he accepts a slash of his wages to fit whatever EFC's wage structure is...). He's not done at this level, and when I previously thought about it, I was always thinking about one game at a time, and him keeping young talent out.

If we see him more like Gareth Barry, and not expected to play every game, then I'm all for it now! Either as a great starter, or as a sub to seriously impact stalemates by his presence and experience. In the end, it's all about the wages, I'd think, as Koeman is not the kind of manager to let a 'Name' get a prolonged run just for him having a past.

I think we're so used to thinking about any able player as a natural choice for our starting XI these last decades, that we've failed to take in that the top teams have 2x XI (or even more, compared to yesteryear's EFC!)...

Tom Bowers
95 Posted 01/03/2017 at 18:51:41
Rooney has a lot left in the tank. Just look at Gerrard, Lampard, Zlatan and our own Gareth Barry. There is no substitute for class and experience.

Whether Koeman will still feel Everton need it before next season is another matter. We have some youngsters coming along nicely and if the present form continues then Rooney would be superfluous.

He would have nothing to prove at Goodison and has won enough with Manure which may in itself be reason enough to doubt his real commitment if he did come back to finish his career.

Paul Burns
96 Posted 01/03/2017 at 18:57:15
Rubbish. Welcome to the Goodison home for old, past it Man Utd players. Fat wages and nothing expected in return. Sometimes you only have to play a couple of games a season.

Our youngsters? Forget them. If this happens, the club are more of a laughing stock than most people in the country already think they are.

Lev Vellene
97 Posted 01/03/2017 at 19:06:41
Paul (#96), Koeman didn't blink sending Cleverley (and more!) off, so I'd say that IF he wants Rooney, he's fully aware of where he'll fit in if he comes.

As I said before, we'll need more than just one fully capable XI if we want to compete at the top of the Premier League, as well as playing games in Europe!

Patrick Murphy
98 Posted 01/03/2017 at 19:23:24
Paul (#96),

Could you provide evidence of all those who see Everton FC as a laughing stock?

There may be one or two thousand or perhaps even 50,000 bigoted Liverpool supporters who think that Everton FC are a laughing stock, but most people in the the country?

That would mean something akin to 30m people. I'm not even sure if that many people in the country are interested in football.

Ciarán McGlone
99 Posted 01/03/2017 at 19:36:11
Rooney is still a fantastic player who would bust an absolute gut to win a trophy here.

That's enough for me.

I don't understand any of the reasoning against this.

Peter Murray
100 Posted 01/03/2017 at 19:38:00
Great business opportunity, great player – a no-brainer... but, with our business acumen, previously providing Flemish manager (brown shoes) with an extra £10 million & £13 million for on-loan Niasse – our actual historical financial business does not inspire!!!

COYB

Alastair Donaldson
101 Posted 01/03/2017 at 19:50:27
He has adapted his game to stay at the top and I think he would fit in (the creative No 10 role) just fine, no pressure on him to be too defensive, do agree that it could impact on Barkley but he would also benefit from working with him.

Short term playing contract with a view to keeping him on in coaching.

Only caveat, Stretford isn't welcome. If only.

This is as sure as Moyes was going to Man Utd.

Lev Vellene
102 Posted 01/03/2017 at 19:52:03
Ciarán (#99):

I agree very much, and I see that I forgot to mention it in my posts: Rooney may have made himself hated by leaving EFC due to his agent's manipulations at a very early age. We got lots of cash from that, and the following lawsuit (about his 'biography') at least left no stain on EFC!

But I also don't hold his badge-kissing against him. I'd've done the same against anyone expressing bad feelings towards me at that age. Well, I'd actually still dig my own grave that way today, and I'm almost 50... ;D

Tony McNulty
103 Posted 01/03/2017 at 20:02:45
Hmm. We really are split on this one.

As someone posted above, if it happens, we'll just have to accept it, I guess.

I still think his return would be the elevation of emotion over reason. I hope I am proved wrong.

Tony Abrahams
104 Posted 01/03/2017 at 20:07:24
I'm not sure that I want it to happen, but I do believe he's wanted to come back and play for Everton for years. His quality, has never been in doubt, but for him to be a success, it will depend on a lot of things.

If he wants to play for us, then I'm sure he will still have the hunger, but he's going to have to become really dedicated now that his body is no longer what it was.

Whether this will be possible will depend on Rooney, of course, but being back amongst old friends, doesn't always work, but he seems to be a family man now, and he also has a massive inner desire that made him such a competitive little bastard, so it's pro's and cons, all round.

I always remember what Alex Ferguson, said about Giggs and Scholes, when they started getting on. He said they won't play every week because of their age, but because they were such great players, they would both play around 20/25 games a season, and they would be games of massive quality. Not sure this would be easy for Rooney though because he might just have too much to prove to too many people. Even if I do think he's coming back.

Len Hawkins
105 Posted 01/03/2017 at 20:10:50
For one thing I don't think Rooney would contemplate coming back if he didn't think he could make a meaningful contribution. If he has to sit on the bench then it means one of Kone or Valencia or Both will not be sat on the bench that is a big plus on it's own.

You have the chance to spend your savings on either a 20-year-old Bentley Continental GT with full service history which will give you the thrill of your life for a couple of years or a 2-year-old Ford Ka been driven by a delusional Spaniard or a cheapskate redneck judy which will probably give you 4 or 5 years mundane driving, I know which I would have.

John Daley
106 Posted 01/03/2017 at 20:12:20
"..did you just open you Rooney scrap book and pick out some tweets you have kept for posterity!"

Rooney scrapbook?

Why, you'll be accusing me of having secret, stalker style, video footage next (possibly forwarded to me by one Jim White and purporting to be from the 'top secret' fitness test Wayne narrowly failed at Finch Farm back in January):

Link

Lev Vellene
107 Posted 01/03/2017 at 20:20:59
From Rooney's comments I expect he'd bust two (!) guts for us if he was to join EFC!

I was close to old when he joined us, plus resigned (ouch!...) when he was sold to Man Utd. For me there is no doubt that he is still an EFC fan, and yes, I'd like for us to 'hire' him if only to show Man Utd that they only have the money to attract attention, not to keep it forever!

James Flynn
108 Posted 01/03/2017 at 20:48:22
Well, still don't think the money can be worked out, but will have one last go.

Between the Club and Kitbag, couldn't something be worked out where Wayne gets a cut of every shirt sale? Got to believe he'd sell a bunch of Everton shirts.

Plus, leave aside his hair-plugging, granny-shagging "infamy", where has anyone read Wayne is disruptive in the locker room? Anyone? No one. Again, got to believe he'd fit right in there.

As far as what he has left? His box-to-box pace is history, yes. Nothing unusual there. He's in his 30s. His skills remain, though.

Finally, I watched Ferguson's testimonial. If, the Goodison responses to Rooney's initial walk out of the tunnel and subsequent intro onto the pitch can't be described as electric, that word has no meaning.

He CAN still play. He WILL have an electric effect back in Royal Blue. What's not to like?


Dan Nulty
109 Posted 01/03/2017 at 21:09:28
I bloody knew it, John Daley!
Kev Johnson
110 Posted 01/03/2017 at 21:26:56
I'd have him back; just his presence around the place would be a huge boost to the younger players... I think he'd bust his balls for us.

Hope it happens.

Lev Vellene
111 Posted 01/03/2017 at 21:39:17
James (#108), The kid Rooney was led by the nose by his agent, so I never had any bad feelings about him leaving us. And we needed the money, so we can discuss what was the better option for ages! :D

I'd welcome him back as part of the team, but never as a player guaranteed a start in every game!

Brian Wilkinson
112 Posted 01/03/2017 at 22:49:02
Not played a lot of games for Man Utd according to some, so how he can be burnt out and past it baffles me.

At least the Anfield Derby next year would have someone busting a gut and not go in hiding, should we sign him.

Douglas McClenaghan
113 Posted 02/03/2017 at 01:03:46
I think I'll go out and buy a Morris Marina because of my sentimental attachment to the British auto industry.
Nicholas Ryan
114 Posted 02/03/2017 at 01:39:42
If he's as 'over the hill' and 'past it' as Ibrahimovic and Defoe, then that's fine by me.

The goal he scored from a free-kick recently, in injury time. Imagine he scores that goal at 0-0 in the Anfield Derby, 5 minutes into extra time!

Anyway, what I think doesn't matter; what We think doesn't matter; what matters is what Koeman and Walsh think... and they seem to be all for it.

Andrew Keatley
115 Posted 02/03/2017 at 02:41:34
Get him for a small fee (but no doubt significant wages). See how it goes for a year, ideally only making the starting XI occasionally and playing up front if he can still manage it (I'm not a fan of Rooney the midfielder).

Enjoy the commercial gains. If it works out, great – if it doesn't then he might fancy going to China at that point for a still quite significant transfer fee. As long as his expectations are not to be playing 90 minutes every weekend then it could be mutually beneficial.

It certainly makes more sense commercially than it does in pure footballing terms. Based on his current condition/form then he's not getting into our team/squad on merit anymore. But, as we try to build on the Moshiri - Koeman - Walsh axis, then acquiring Rooney might be a useful tactic.

Devendran Saegaran
116 Posted 02/03/2017 at 06:50:55
I think that it's a good choice that we get Rooney in the summer if he is available. This may allow Rooney to teach the new boys tactics of the game. He may also continue he's career as an Evertonian and end his career here. After that, he could be an assistant manager or manager soon in the future.

Furthermore, while he's playing at Everton, he may bring us to Cup glory, but that is a maybe. So, it's a good choice if Koeman wants to bring in Rooney.

Trevor Lynes
117 Posted 02/03/2017 at 14:45:50
It is a huge NO from me.If he was for sale I do not think that any top side in the Premier would be bidding for him.

We would be competing with mid table sides for his services and that is not showing ambition IMO.He looks a shadow of the player he has been and I am heartedly sick of taking surplus players from UTD.

If we were to be looking to buy from UTD then we should be bidding for far younger players with promising futures not crocks and has been's.

No I think he would be a waste of valuable funds that should be aimed at buying a second striker who scores goals, a schemer to make the team tick and a dominant centre back.

He has virtually dried up as a scorer and does not have pace anymore.

I would like to ask the fans who think he is a good buy a question or two.Where would he play for us ?Whose place would he take ?

Hywel Owen
118 Posted 02/03/2017 at 14:46:42
If he had signed for the other red lot, would you have him back??

What's the difference between one red lot and another?

Brian Wilkinson
119 Posted 02/03/2017 at 16:46:31
Howell, we took David Johnson back, didn't turn out... but Rooney is different class, so No, it would not make a difference.
Laurie Hartley
120 Posted 02/03/2017 at 20:34:05
The most surprising thing for me about this is that Koeman and Walsh would have him back. I find that quite disappointing really.

I have posted on this before – he is part of the past and I have been looking forward to a new era for Everton.

I am no football manager but I am convinced that the prospect of Rooney coming back would unsettle the dressing room.

This is a big No for me – I think he is the last thing we need.

Brian Wilkinson
121 Posted 03/03/2017 at 02:09:45
Okay, lots of Yes and No, divided opinions on here so, for what it's worth, I will throw a positive into the ring.

He could have taken the money in China; he turned it down... so why turn down huge money? For me, it's three reasons: he wants to prove himself in the Premier League that he still has something to offer; he wants to break Peter Shilton's record of caps; and finally, he wants to try and get Everton Silverware.

Now to beat Shilton's record, he needs to keep producing the goods – that can only be a big plus should we sign him.

Many might say he could've won Silverware with Everton previously; I disagree – we were on our arses, didn't have a pot to piss in and, at the time, Man Utd were by far the best in the Premier League.

The difference now is, he can see the class players at the club, there is no need to sell, the club is in its best shape with the chance to bring in further additions in the summer.

I will be surprised if we do not land Rooney in the summer.

Fredrick Parchment
122 Posted 03/03/2017 at 06:38:33
What's important to note here everyone, Koeman and Walsh have openly showed their interest in Rooney. Koeman has regarded Rooney as an improvement to the team.

Money is not what Rooney wants from Everton (he has enough already, IMHO, he would take a pay cut to help the team financially. It does happen in sports). But help get the title.

Think people, his first title with Everton would be the second crowning moment in his career. The first, lifting the European Champions Trophy, to help make up for the 80s Champions who were excluded from Europe through no fault of their own.

I haven't felt this passionate about making the top 4 this season like no other. Previous teams, we knew our flaws. This team just gets better and better and so young. Deulofeu is missed, but not in our squad. We're beginning to have depth in our team. Rooney brings all that winning experience with him to feed our youngsters. Plus a new stadium. I'm getting dizzy.

I feel we'll qualify for the Champions League this season – this is what Koeman wants, it's what we all want, and this qualification will just solidify Rooney's return. Across the pond has spoken.

Laurie Hartley
123 Posted 03/03/2017 at 06:49:57
Brian (#121) – no malice intended to you here but based on your logic - "pot to piss in, far the best in the Premier League" etc, that would be like him and us saying:

"When I first went out with you as a young lad I loved you but when that beautiful Judy came on the scene and started making eyes at me, I realised you were a slapper – but now that I have grown older (and she's got an new fella) can we start anew because you know – I never stopped loving you."

"Oh Wayne – I never stopped loving you either – give us a kiss!"

If he comes back to us, it will because, as one of my Man Utd friends has commented, when it comes to contracts, he and not his agent, is a shrewd operator.

No, for me it would be more a question of him landing us.

Geoff Evans
124 Posted 03/03/2017 at 08:07:20
No-brainer. Get him. He would be a Cantona signing.
James Hughes
125 Posted 03/03/2017 at 09:28:08
A good piece from Danny Murphy on the BBC here and his view on Rooney. I was surprised to see an ex-red talking positive about us!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39130708

Geoff Williams
126 Posted 03/03/2017 at 10:24:16
Andy Gray and Peter Reid were real crocks when signed but they had a huge impact on the club. Two good years from Rooney would be all Everton need as by then they will be established as one of the top clubs.
Brian Wilkinson
127 Posted 03/03/2017 at 11:28:09
No Malice taken Laurie, It's like comparing Ringo Starr saying to the Beatles, "No thanks, I quite like Rory Storm"; it's a no-brainier, you are going to join the best around at the time.

He was an 18-year-old... I doubt any 18-year-old turning down the chance to win silverware and a huge pay rise.

The difference now is Everton are finally not shopping at Poundland and fighting off other clubs from taking our best players. The team is going from strength to strength, money behind the club and a new stadium.

That will be enough to land Rooney, same as the eighties: we had a great set of youngsters then but no leaders; all that changed when Reid and Gray came in, suddenly we went to having the best team in Europe.

Rooney can make the same impact, the thing you can guarantee with Rooney, he will not go in hiding and will give his all. Let's face it, we do not have any true leader on the pitch.

Guy Hastings
128 Posted 03/03/2017 at 12:12:12
This from The Guardian's rumour mill column:

Manchester United 'apparently willing to pay up the final two years of his £250,000-a-week contract in order “to get him out of the door” on a free transfer, with Everton his presumed destination.'

On a free at £100k a week (he probably can't afford to pay us any more than that, ha ha), I'd take it. A tough pre-season and he'd be well up for it, I suspect.

Chris Jones [Burton]
129 Posted 03/03/2017 at 12:27:24
Following on from what Geoff said at #126, I recall how Manc friends wet themselves laughing when we signed Paul Power from Citeh.

Colin Malone
130 Posted 03/03/2017 at 12:53:01
Form is temporary, class is permanent.

I would have him back tomorrow, as long as he knows, he ain't going to get the captain's armband and he has got to work hard to get in the team. I have every confidence in Ronald Koeman if he did come back.

Geoff Evans
131 Posted 03/03/2017 at 13:04:49
Get him back ASAP. The right man at the right time.
Brian Williams
132 Posted 03/03/2017 at 15:06:27
Column in the Mirror today sums it up perfectly for me.
Bill Griffiths
133 Posted 03/03/2017 at 15:42:05
Trevor (#117), none of the top 6 probably wouldn't want him. However, we are not in the top 6 and are in a totally different situation. It's possible he could do a good job for the likes of ourselves or the other clubs hoping to gatecrash the top 6.

Personally, my initial thought like others on here is that it is a backward step at this moment in time.

However, while I wasn't 100 percent sure about Koeman's appointment, I have been impressed with how he is going about things so far and trust that, if he and Steve Walsh can do a job for us, then we should trust in their judgement.

Robin Cannon
134 Posted 03/03/2017 at 18:14:29
I think people are reading too much into Koeman's & Walsh's comments. When asked, they said that yes, he's a quality player and that Everton are always interested in quality players with the potential to improve the side. That's it.

They didn't say, "We want to sign him". They said that if he became available they might be interested. Presumably after an assessment of how he might fit into the team, what other incoming players they want to pursue, finances and budget, etc. All of which would be perfectly sensible.

Laurie Hartley
135 Posted 03/03/2017 at 21:27:19
Brian (#127) – good response and I have to say I have posted elsewhere that I think Rooney made the correct decision for himself and his family when he went to Man Utd.

I just don't want him back for the reasons stated above. I was hoping that we are now thinking bigger than bringing Rooney back after 13 years.

Your point about Gray and Reid is compelling and relevant to our current situation. That being the case let's start a rumour off now and put in a bid for Sergio Aguero and Cesc Fabregas in the summer.

Now that would be making a statement and one which I am sure our current crop of players would welcome wholeheartedly.

Still got to ask the question though – who looses their place if we sign either one of those two?

Charles Brewer
136 Posted 07/03/2017 at 09:48:41
This is about football. As an Evertonian, I'd rather we played beautiful football and were in mid-table than grinding out 1-0 wins and getting into some dreary European borefest which no-one outside China and the Middle East gives a stuff about.

Football used to be a romantic game with the likes of Stanley Matthews, George Best, and of course our own Dean, Young and Hickson; I'd probably add Pele, Puskas and Cruyff to that grouping. Players who clearly weren't in it for the money but for the sheer joy of playing brilliantly and winning through skill and effort.

Since the Premier League and "Champions" League came on the scene, most clubs have become dull results factories playing for the television payments, not the supporters and for the sales of shirts in Indonesia where the only reason for "supporting" a team is that it is winning.

Personally, I wouldn't cross the street to watch a European match which did not involve Everton, and couldn't care less (and invariably don't know) who wins any of these competitions.

Similarly, the last time I took any interest in national teams was when Wales were doing outrageously well (I rather enjoyed Iceland beating England too).

The countercase these days is in international rugby where there is passion and excitement and results often only decided in the last few minutes and the players, while now pretty well paid, look as though it really means something to them.

We should consider the case of Romelu Lukaku. Poor Rom, who is still a young man, has allowed himself to be seduced by the "stuff the club and supporters, I'm in this for myself" narrative and this has been pretty much the entire reason why the crown has not taken him to its collective heart. He's a better footballer (in his specific role of goalscorer) than Peter Reid, Duncan Ferguson, Tim Cahill and some of his goals are wonderful, but all of them are revered as "legends" and could get a great reception at any place where there are Evertonians.

If Rom had just appeared to take the club into his heart, the supporters would unquestionably have done the same. It's sad when the objective of the most pointless human activity – sport – has become primarily for money rather than honour and glory. (Of course, there is plenty of opportunity for Lukaku to reverse this negative aspect entirely).

I remain of the view that Rooney would have been an even better player if he had stayed at a successful Everton and that he did not wish to leave, but the triple lures of saving Everton from bankruptcy and setting himself up for life and playing at a club where he could actually win stuff meant he sacrificed what he would really have liked to do for what was "sensible".

If Rooney's legs can carry him about the place without embarrassing him or the club, and his arrival does not disrupt what appears to be an increasingly settled organisation, I would unquestionably support the Return of the Prodigal Son, and the fatted calf had better start dishing out leaflets advocating vegetarianism.

Ernie Baywood
137 Posted 07/03/2017 at 10:16:38
I still maintain it won't happen. Man Utd hold his contract and will get a fee for him. It will be a fee far greater than we're prepared to pay.

But, if... yeah, I'd take him in a heartbeat.

Phil Lewis
138 Posted 08/03/2017 at 11:45:15
I have stated here before, a Rooney return could be the catalyst to glory and trophies at Goodison Park. I can hear the howls of derision already, as I reiterate that I would welcome Barkley's departure in any such deal with Man Utd.

Regardless of any slight recent improved performances, he continues to convince me that, for all of his unquestionable skills, he has no quicksilver football brain and is highly unlikely to ever develop one.

Why people, including the manager, persevere with him is beyond me. He is a hindrance to the development of real young talent, such as Davies and Lookman. These two players, along with Lukaku, himself still so young, would benefit enormously from the true world class talent and experience of Wayne Rooney.

Whatever Rooney may lack with advancing years in pace, would surely be made up for with skill, vision, tenacity and guile. I am convinced that Rooney would rise to such a challenge to complete his magnificent career. I would make him my Captain instantly.

Tony J Williams
139 Posted 08/03/2017 at 12:22:34
Well the Captain's armband will be up for grabs Phil, as Jags won't be here next season.

If it happened, it would be interesting to see if he is given the captaincy, as you know come the derby he will be the one getting into the ref's ear and urging everyone else on.

It would be like Cahill had returned... God how we miss his bastardness in midfield!

Paul Smith
140 Posted 08/03/2017 at 12:26:24
Phil Lewis, at this moment in time, Ross is twice the player Rooney is...

And btw, nostalgia needs to kept to the Players Lounge before and after the game – not reported out at match time for us all to be bitterly disappointed.

John Daley
142 Posted 08/03/2017 at 13:40:33
"He [Barkley] is a hindrance to the development of real young talent, such as Davies and Lookman"

Complete scrote sack contents. In what way is he "a hindrance to the development" of the two players you name? 

He doesn't play in the same position as either so it's not like he's blocking their path to the first-team. 

It's not like Koeman, Unsworth or the rest of the coaching staff can't concentrate on any younger players because they're all huddled around Barkley, stroking their chins furiously and trying to fathom "What the fuck are we going to do with him? He's shit and he's cock-blocking the kids!"

It can't be that any young player at Everton is going to look at him and feel discouraged that they will ever be given a shot at the first-team if good enough, or that they will think there's more chance of Lucy the Australopithecus's arl minge still getting moist than there is of them maybe making the England squad someday.

It can't be that playing in the same team as him is utterly soul-destroying and dispiriting for Davies or Lookman, or that they feel he's constantly 'letting the side down', leading them to lament "why do we even bother?", because he's quite simply a better player than both and, on the balance of probability, is likely to remain so until he hangs up his boots. 

"Real young talent"? 

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John Daley
143 Posted 08/03/2017 at 13:44:47
Dan Nulty
144 Posted 08/03/2017 at 14:40:38
I know I was advocating a Rooney return – even though I can't see it happening for financial reasons.

Phil has taken it to a whole new level though. Keep taking the medication, pal!

Mike Gaynes
145 Posted 08/03/2017 at 14:44:33
Dan, I think it's more likely mushrooms than medication.

Phil's post reads more like a hallucination than a side effect.

Charles Barrow
146 Posted 08/03/2017 at 15:04:00
I think Phil's post was a little bizarre as well – but all opinions should be welcome.

Anyway, anyone looked at YouTube for the coverage of the Haye vs Bellew after-fight joshing in the dressing room – Tony Bellew on cloud nine messing around with Rooney and Carragher. Rooney was made up for Bellew – it was a bit of an Everton love in.

Personally, I think its got to be a hard-nosed footballing decision, not one based on sentiment. Difficult to say whether he's finished or not. If he doesn't play many more games for Man Utd then he will be off... could be the States, not China.

Dan Nulty
147 Posted 08/03/2017 at 20:11:12
Next three games key with Zlatan banned. Should tell us what he has to offer...
Phil Lewis
148 Posted 08/03/2017 at 23:47:03
Thanks lads for the replies, you gave me a grin. I'm totally sober and drug free these days, so I'm afraid my post can't be blamed on anything other than what I see on the pitch! I try my best to ignore the influence of newspaper and T.V. pundits, when forming my own opinions.

I have willed Ross Barkley to live up to his hype and expectations for far too long, the lad has had plenty of opportunity to consistently fulfill his potential. I don't like to have a downer on any player and nothing would make me happier than for Ross to make me eat my words.

I simply believe that I have seen enough of him to be convinced that it will never happen. I'm tired of seeing him receiving the ball, turning into trouble and losing possession, when he has players in space looking for the quick simple pass. He has the physique and trickery to be another Zidane, but unfortunately possesses none of the speed of thought or vision required to achieve such greatness.

As for my comments about him being a hindrance to the development of the young players that I mentioned, what I meant was that he is not and never will be the midfield general that we need, to fire up and inspire others. Furthermore his scoring rate has dramatically dipped.

Oh for an Alan Ball! I'd even take an ageing Peter Beardsley any day of the week! Wayne Rooney would fit the bill for me, 30 odd years old or not! If we only got a couple of seasons out of him, what a wealth of experience and inspiration he could pass on, where it matters most, on the park, on match day.

Geoff Brown
149 Posted 10/03/2017 at 23:51:16
Heart says yes – I would like to see him end his illustrious career with his first club, but if history teaches us anything, you should never go back (Johnson, Kendall, Pienaar...)! Jury's still out on this one.

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