Koeman: 'If Everton weren't ambitious, I wouldn't be here'

Thursday 16 March 2017  103 Comments  [Jump to last]

Ronald Koeman says that while he understands Romelu Lukaku's ambition, he insists Everton are moving in the right direction towards challenging the top four.

Inevitably, the Toffees' boss was asked during his pre-match press conference about Lukaku's comments in an interview at Finch Farm yesterday — humourously, the first question was deliberately not about the Belgian's contract situation about James McCarthy's fitness — and he rejected the notion that the club isn't ambitious.

He also said that there was no basis, in terms of the player's state of mind or as punishment for his comments, to leave him out of the team to face Hull City this weekend.

I think everybody sees the difference now between this season and last season and it's impossible to do this in one transfer window, in one season.

It takes time but every day, Everton — and that's a message to everybody — and the manager is trying to get the best and the strongest team we can have.

Ronald Koeman

“The deal wasn't agreed,” Koeman said when asked why Lukaku has yet to put pen to paper on a new five-year contract. “99.9% is not 100% and they are still trying to get the contract over the line and that's what I know from the Board of the club.

“I'm not happy about that interview because, first, if Everton FC is not a club with ambition, I wouldn't be the manager.

“I spoke with Rom this morning and I know it's difficult but if you are a player, prepare yourself to play well, score goals and we know he is one of the best. The rest needs to be done by the manager and by the board of the club

“I will speak with the player, I will speak with the board and we will see what happens.

“I think every player has ambition, every player likes to play for titles, to play in the Champions League. I think that's a normal ambition.

“What need to and what we want to show is that if there's one club outside of the top six that can make the next step, it's Everton.

“I think everybody sees the difference now between this season and last season and it's impossible to do this in one transfer window, in one season. It takes time but every day, Everton — and that's a message to everybody — and the manager is trying to get the best and the strongest team we can have.

“But there's always competition and it's not only [a question of] money that's most important. If you can show players — good players, players who can make the team stronger — that they can see ambition, that they see the development of the team and that the club is progressing and the club is talking about a new stadium… I think that's enough stuff to understand that Everton FC is really [going] in a good direction.

“I spoke with Rom about this project last summer. During the season we had several talks about the future but I'm not so afraid about his situation because he has two years left on his contract.

“Everybody knows what can happen in football but you need to respect your contract. It's up to the board to get the deal done.”

 

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Paul Mackie
1 Posted 16/03/2017 at 14:31:07
“Everybody knows what can happen in football but you need to respect your contract.”

Basically Koeman has heard Lukaku loud and clear but is politely telling him to stop being impatient and deal with it.

Chris Williams
2 Posted 16/03/2017 at 14:34:05
"... and the manager is trying to get the best and the strongest team we can have."

"I will speak with the player I will speak with the board and we will see what happens."

I wonder if, despite his comments about Rom, he is not pleased with this all being said.

Jon Withey
3 Posted 16/03/2017 at 14:34:14
Because they are paid huge amounts to play football – not be in endless contract negotiations.
Ray Roche
4 Posted 16/03/2017 at 14:41:02
I'm more concerned about Barkley's contract.
Laura Round
5 Posted 16/03/2017 at 14:46:16
Also said no reason not to play him as long as his attitude is correct. He stated he wasn't happy with some of Rom's comments in article.

I think Koeman's a bit disappointed actually. Playing all this out publicly and causing such a shift of focus doesn't seem to sit well with him.

Stan Schofield
6 Posted 16/03/2017 at 14:54:09
The Everton board can show strength by announcing that Lukaku is staying here for the remainder of his current contract, to July 2019. They can say, yes, we do want to progress rapidly, and this is what we've decided.

On Koeman being disappointed by the public nature of Lukaku's statements, well, you have to lead by example. Perhaps Koeman should not himself have been so public about Lukaku and Barkley, or about Everton having no chance of winning the league. Lessons to be learned?

William Cartwright
7 Posted 16/03/2017 at 14:56:34
There has been a lot of knee-jerk responses to the situation but quite honestly the only people who know where it is at are Rom and his agent, and Moshiri and Ronald. The saga has some way to go until it is resolved, and which ever way that is, then ultimately it will be to the benefit of all.

Rom is a hugely talented young man who is lucky to be playing football at this point in time. He is making the most of his career, or trying to as he sees it, and we should respect him for that.

Ronald too is saying the right things because he has a plan and Rom does figure highly in it. If not, then over to Plan B with minimum fuss. So what is all the fuss about anyway?

As usual the biased, frankly shit media who already have Rom and Ross as well on the way out of the door, and second rate club Everton, who just so happen to live next door to the Magnificent Reds, well that that's their own fault isn't it.

I read the BBC footy page just now and after all the negative hyped up Rom reports there was nothing... I REPEAT NOTHING... about Ross being recalled into the England squad. News of Jermain Defoe's recall, Nathan Redmond and uncle Tom Cobly and others, but nothing about Ross' inclusion.

Why the BBC treat Everton as a complete non-event of a club is so strange it is downright scandalous. It is supposed to be a bastion of neutral, factual, quality reporting, but when Everton are on the agenda, it's a different story.

I am so furious at their red-eyed perspective which puts a positive spin on their reports, but for us it's a negative spin or nothing at all. Last on match of the day when we and West Brom were the 2 highest placed clubs in action? Say no more...

Back on topic ... If Everton and Rom do manage to sneak back into the top six overnight it will become a top 5 elite again. I even think if we were to get into the top 4 then the European Cup entry rules would change to admit the top 3 only. This might seem like I'm becoming paranoid, but I lead a very reasoned and rational life except when I see economic, social or physical bullying, it makes my blood boil! (Rant over.)

Paz Mistry
8 Posted 16/03/2017 at 15:01:13
I don't understand the timing of the outburst to be honest. Since the new year, we have been the form team in the Premier League. We got a lot of deadwood out of the club (with the rest out this summer), laying the groundwork for an important summer of transfer activity, European football almost (almost!! don't pull a Leicester, Leicester) guaranteed, potential World class stadium close to being announced, there are a lot of positives.

If he had made these comments on September 1st, 2017 in a context of disappointing transfer activity, fully understandable. Rom should just concentrate on his football because unless we get 80 mill for him, he is not being sold.

I also wouldn't mind Ross being sold to the highest bidder, he's only had a good 10 games or so for us this season and people treat him like he's Paul Scholes. A midfield of Gueye, Schneiderlin and a world class playmaker in front of them would be far more appealing, and Ross's stock will never be as high as it is right now..

Laura Round
9 Posted 16/03/2017 at 15:03:08
That's a good point Stan. Some of his bluntness has defiantly rocked the boat also this season. I do like him though. His firmness with Ross seemed to work. His comments regarding the league this year were true and he has asked for time and backing from the board. I do believe he speaks with Everton's interests at heart. I don't believe Rom does.
Oscar Huglin
10 Posted 16/03/2017 at 15:03:19
Good response.
Ray Roche
11 Posted 16/03/2017 at 15:10:21
Paz Mistry, we should be building a team around Barkley etc., not thinking of selling him. As for the "only ten games" bit, if Barkley was in Spurs or Chelsea's side he'd sparkle like a, well, diamond. Ambitious clubs do not sell their best players.
Stan Schofield
12 Posted 16/03/2017 at 15:18:52
Laura, regardless of the motivation for making comments, and although the substance of them may be valid, it's never really a good idea to air the dirty washing in public. What Lukaku has done follows the trend set not only by Koeman, but also Moshiri (with reference to all that Jim White stuff).

Ray, spot on. Not only could the EFC board decide that Lukaku is going nowhere for the next two years, they should go all out to ensure Barkley signs a new contract.

Jim Lloyd
13 Posted 16/03/2017 at 15:19:47
Well said, Ronald.
Laura Round
14 Posted 16/03/2017 at 15:28:37
As I said Stan I totally take your point. However, we fans call for comment from the board. We ask the players to perform. It's a pretty simple employer/employee hierarchy.
Kevin Rowlands
15 Posted 16/03/2017 at 15:44:39
It's become so tiresome and boring at this point. You don't want to be here? No problem, get to fuck and take your twat agent and obnoxious father with you.

Also Ray I agree, Barkley signing a new deal is far more important.

John Hughes
16 Posted 16/03/2017 at 15:49:40
Ray (#11),

Didn't Man Utd sell Ronaldo, Spurs sell Bale, and dearly beloved neighbours sell Suarez, Saurez or whatever – "The Ratman"?

Jimmy Hogg
17 Posted 16/03/2017 at 16:03:02
I like this guy.
Dave Roberts
18 Posted 16/03/2017 at 16:08:31
I watched Man City last night. They were crap... especially the defence. They conceded three goals at home and three away to Monaco. The pundits after the game were suggesting that City need a complete new back four as (I paraphrase) the current incumbents are shite. All of them.

Mr Lukaku needs to recall recent history as well as '1980s ancient history' especially in respect of his erstwhile team-mate John Stones. This was a lad in a similar situation to himself. A player lauded as 'one of the best', someone who needed to be at a bigger club in order to reach his full potential. A player who needed to play at a level Everton could not reach. So he went to a club that could theoretically match his needs and ambition and what happened? What happened is that every weakness in Stones' game that Evertonians identified during his sojourn here has been ruthlessly exposed. Just a few weeks ago, Alan Shearer, one of the pundits who practically implored Stones to move to a BIG CLUB as part of his progress towards becoming England Captain was caustic in his comments about him after a 4-0 defeat at Goodison. And nothing has improved for the lad.

Mr Lukaku needs to remember that at present the Everton team method and system is to help him score goals and consequently he scores most of them. He will not find that elsewhere. In the four years he has been at the club he has only scored 3 goals against top six teams and while I would not lay the whole blame for that at his door it is something he does need to remember.

He worries too about a lack of trophies, but if he had been as good as he believes he is he would probably have had a Cup Winners medal last year. He missed a penalty and a couple of virtually open goals. If Everton had signed all those wonderful players you think we should have Rom, and they had been playing in that semi-final, what do you think they would have thought of you? Maybe the same as many think of John Stones now eh?

Eddie Dunn
19 Posted 16/03/2017 at 16:19:49
It is clear that Rom's comments made in public instead of in private, are tactical. I doubt that this is about money, but most likely preparing the way for his departure whilst keeping many of us fans onside. After all, he will definitely be staying for the rest of this season, and if nobody coughs up the dosh, he could still be here next season.

Rom is obviously disappointed with our failure to land higher profile targets in the last two windows. Unlike us, he is inside the club, and must be privy to more inside info than the fans.

I would suggest that the club have made promises which they have failed to keep and he has grown weary of it. However his manager, Koeman went public in January over the speed of the Schneiderlin deal, so perhaps this is the way to get our esteemed board to act.

John Malone
20 Posted 16/03/2017 at 16:23:07
Oscar 10, I thought you agreed with what Rom said on the other thread??

Dermot Byrne
21 Posted 16/03/2017 at 16:29:22
If I was Koeman, I'd be livid. But he has discipline.
Alexander Murphy
23 Posted 16/03/2017 at 16:37:56
As I see things, the longevity list is as follows:

Us lot.
Moshiri.
Koeman & Koeman.
Lukaku.

We will ALWAYS be the ones who endure the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. But we must always be the ones who cry "Goodison, for Harry, Howard and St Domingo!". And let them, who did not, consider themselves not chosen.

Enter Derycke of Mowntefylde "And IF you can do that when all around mock and laugh, what is more, You will forever be a Toffee !"

Yep, never going to earn a living as an English Lit teacher.

Dermot Byrne
24 Posted 16/03/2017 at 16:42:01
Lol Alex. Maybe we are just so gullible to be crapped on and yet pay for the honour !
Dermot Byrne
25 Posted 16/03/2017 at 16:46:45
I should add though I haven't put 1p into Everton or any Premier League club nor the pockets of their millionaire staff, for years now. I take their games and tales of greed for free.
Ken Buckley
26 Posted 16/03/2017 at 16:47:37
One good thing to come out of this juvenile rant just might be that he seizes the chance to showcase his world class champions league qualities as he pulverises the defences of top four aspirants Liverpool and Man U aided only by the substandard players we have to support him.

This then sends out the message to the elite of Europe come and get me and our club gains £90 million to carry on building as the manager says he requires over the next two years.

Go to it Rom prove your worth but be careful that your next move really does meet your ambitions.

A rant by me maybe but an outburst like the one Rom made had the potential to do real harm to our club in its efforts to progress and I have seen progress to date.

I believe I am a realistic Evertonian but my blood boils when feather bedded employee's make public what should be kept in house just for their own ends. Maybe time to make amends Rom La.

Colin Glassar
27 Posted 16/03/2017 at 16:53:06
Wow, Wow and Wow, this is better than Downton bloody Abbey!!! I still think this is all tactical talk by Ron and Rom (in cahoots) to make things happen quicker at EFC.
Ray Roche
28 Posted 16/03/2017 at 16:57:45
John Hughes #16

" Didn't Manure sell Ronaldo, Spurs sell Bale, and dearly beloved neighbours sell Suarez"

Of course they did. But did they sell them willingly? Of course they didn't.

Darren Hind
29 Posted 16/03/2017 at 17:10:16
We all saw what happened at Boro when Seamus tried to "make things happen quicker".

it think we got a good look at Koemans idea of ambition a couple of weeks ago at WHL.

Talk is cheap. A new manager with a more adventurous approach may produce genuine ambition

Colin Glassar
31 Posted 16/03/2017 at 17:15:10
Always the contrarian Darren. No one's talking team tactics or selections here. Stay focussed.
Alexander Murphy
32 Posted 16/03/2017 at 17:20:52
Colin, absolutely correct.

Things have been happening at "The Grand Old Lady" for decades at a pace akin to continental drift.

The true crime, is that we noble Evertonians we merry few, have tolerated and even applauded this.

How far back have we allowed OURSELVES to fall ?

Here's a cracking example. And I swallowed this, I'll plead guilty.
Kenwright described Goodison as scraping though it's safety requirements by a whisker, ever closer to failure each season. I felt sorry for Goodison, because, I ADORE the place. I missed his slippery lie. It was because HE WAS FAILING US !

Meanwhile, he pops over to Anfield and delivers an eloquent obituary regarding football fans deaths. Then returned to a ground mocked as "Woodison", by the self same club.

It's NOT the mockery that is offensive.

It's lying to your own that is the real crime.

Do we think that boyhood blues, Rush, McMahon, Owen would have paid tribute 25 years on to the HUNDREDS of fans that could have been lost if the Bullens went up in flames like Valley Parade ?

John Hughes
33 Posted 16/03/2017 at 17:26:38
But they still sold them Ray, willingly or not , Mr Koeman will not want his (only) scorer to go I'm sure, 'cos I don't. But I'll still behind the goal on the Gwladys Street on Saturday shouting him on,
Kevin Rowlands
34 Posted 16/03/2017 at 17:30:36
Darren (#29), are you serious? If you look at the results and points from Jan 1st we would be top of the league, Koeman is doing a fine job and is rightfully pissed off with the shite that went down (yet again) this week, it's the last thing the team needed, he should have kept his big mouth shut till after the last game!
Joe McMahon
35 Posted 16/03/2017 at 17:32:37
I assume Southampton fans were thinking the same about contracts when Ronald was their manager. RE- Romelu, he's given us 4 years, broken the club premier league goal record which took big Dunc many games more. Being pragmatic, the new "Everton Evolution" is happening too late for Roms career and too slow for success starved Evertonians. The 24/7 search for a new ground and a new owner (which we still don't have) should have already happened.
Darren Hind
36 Posted 16/03/2017 at 17:53:47
Always a step behind Colin,

The thread is about ambition . . keep up

Damian Wilde
37 Posted 16/03/2017 at 17:55:53
Typical Rom mouthing off. Koeman sounds pissed off with him. Unsettling this.
Peter Morris
38 Posted 16/03/2017 at 17:56:13
William (#7),

You cut a frustrated bloke mate, and I share many of your frustrations, but I think you are mistaken with the media's definition of the 'Big 6'.

My view is that the ONLY club in England that has a permanent place in the elite in the eyes of both the printed and visual media is Manchester United. No other club. All others are there on suffrage and based on results.

So, if we were able to finish 6th this season, at the expense of Manchester United in all probability, it would most likely become called the Big 7, all of a sudden. If Man Utd finished 10th, it would be the Big 10. You can see this bias in almost everything written and said about that club.

For instance, whenever Man Utd draw a game, they are ALWAYS 'held' no matter the course of the game. It's NEVER Man United doing the holding.

A case in hand is their last game in Rostov. That was a game they were very pleased to get away from with a 1-1 draw. It could have gone either way, but they were HELD.

As I say, I think uniquely, they are the only English club to whom this treatment applies, no matter what. Why? Answers on a post card.

Steve Carse
39 Posted 16/03/2017 at 17:59:51
United weren't even the biggest club in Manchester before the Munich disaster.
Frank Crewe
40 Posted 16/03/2017 at 18:09:37
After watching Monaco crush City last night I begin to wonder if clubs in this country are going about producing teams in completely the wrong way.

Monaco have a ground that has a capacity below 20,000. Half of what we currently have and a third of what we would like to have. Most of their players are home grown and would walk into our current side whereas most of ours would get nowhere near theirs. They are a threat to any club left in the Champions League including Real and Barca.

In this country we appear to see the buying and selling of players as a status symbol of just where out club is in the pecking order. Sell a player and you're moving down in the pecking order. Buy a player and you are moving up. If a young player actually makes it to the first team every three or four years we call it a conveyor belt.

Maybe it's about time we stopped wasting money relentlessly trying to buy our way to success. Manu spent £89 million on Pogba and all they have to show for it is a league cup worth about £2,000,000 in prize money.

We really have to start producing our own players. Whatever Monaco are doing maybe we should try copying it because it really appears to be working for them. A team of quick, strong, skillful players all comfortable on the ball and fantastic attacking football.

I know if we don't do something to change the current situation then this pattern will continue ad infinitum. Buy a good young player. develop him for three or four years and just as he gets into his prime years sell him to a richer club. Start again.

Stan Schofield
41 Posted 16/03/2017 at 18:30:52
Frank, spot on. I always think of our 69-70 league winners, with over half-a-dozen players having come through the junior ranks. I know folks will say the game has changed, but it hasn't changed to the extent that we can't produce our own and reduce dependence on the escalating money-go-round.
Bobby Thomas
42 Posted 16/03/2017 at 18:40:15
Alexander #32

Erm, yeah.

Brian Wilkinson
43 Posted 16/03/2017 at 18:41:47
Yes Rom has given us 4 good seasons, what I want from a striker is to do it in tight games and against top 4 sides.

Now all those proclaiming Rom as the Messiah, unreplaceable feel free to tell me how many goals has he scored against the top 4 in those 4 seasons, how many goals has he scored that has won us close games without other Everton players scoring in the game as well.

Might be surprised it is not that many.

Difference with Ferguson was he did it in the big games.

Naismith and Cahill did it in the big games.

A goal in the Anfield Derby or Against Utd in the coming weeks and I may just change my views.

Ciarán McGlone
44 Posted 16/03/2017 at 18:49:24
I'm afraid Koeman doesn't have a leg to stand on here..

He cannot seriously try and put the genie back in the bottle after publically advising Lukaku to leave Everton to further his career.

There's no point trying to make any sense of this.. It's simply greedy men playing grubby little games. Maybe we'll get some decent football, some day.

Until then, we'll be the victims in this charade.

Phil Walling
45 Posted 16/03/2017 at 18:50:40
Spot on, Stan @41. Trouble is these days, 'ambition' is determined by how much dough clubs can splash on those bloody windows not how good their home grown kids are.

My bet is that at least half that best team we ever had wouldn't ever get a game today.

Karl Jones
46 Posted 16/03/2017 at 19:05:26
"Everybody knows what can happen in football, but you need to respect your contract"...Does anybody believe that if Barcelona or Arsenal came calling for RK in the summer, that he would respect his contract.

Personally I would love to believe that, but Football is so full of disloyal hypocrites.

Alexander Murphy
47 Posted 16/03/2017 at 19:11:05
Ciaràn.

On the eve of St Pat's, I recall the opening stanza of an old music hall song performed by the legendary tin whistle player of Liverpool's second greatest boy band. Stanley Ambrose of Cream of the Barley. It won't provide solace, but for me it does epitomise our situation.

"Once I was happy but now I'm forlorn
Like an old coat that is tattered and torn;
Left on this world to fret and to mourn"

Jay Harris
48 Posted 16/03/2017 at 19:13:01
The way some supporters are airing their views on Koeman and Moshiri it makes me think they would sooner go back to the Kenwright and cronies plus Martinez days.

Now that was clearly unambitious especially the appointment of that clown.

We are clearly much improved this season especially this year and Rom needs to shut up and let his feet do the talking for him.

David Morgan
49 Posted 16/03/2017 at 19:13:02
I would echo those saying Barkley's contract situation is more worrying. We all knew Lukaku would leave soon and though he will obviously be missed we should do the same again.

Sign a 19-22 year old striker from a top side who can't get a game and we will always make a profit come sales time or at worst get our money back, there is no value signing 28 years+ for £40m. Be the English At' Madrid churning through strikers each season, they eventually bridged the gap.

Phil Walling
50 Posted 16/03/2017 at 19:52:53
Jay, I'm not sure you'd be as happy in'Seventh Heaven' if Moyes was still here and we were so far adrift from 'the Big Boys'.

But it just goes to show how far Martinez dented our expectations !

Mike Berry
51 Posted 16/03/2017 at 20:03:03
Top comments yet again from Ronald who is showing he is a real manager, not only knowing his trade but that of how he conducts himself and deals with situations and others.

It's not Rom & Ross we should be concerned about staying or leaving – it's Ronald, players come and go, contract or not, but to find a great manager hey now that's really something to keep.

I can see Ronald being head-hunted for all the major managerial jobs soon. So pleased to have him for as long as it lasts. A great bit of business by Bill and Farhad to get him here in the first place.

Ian Riley
52 Posted 16/03/2017 at 20:07:40
Mr Koeman is a top manager paid a top salary. He is under pressure to deliver. Top seven with our squad and manager is the least we should expect. Martinez had expectations but couldn't deliver them. Koeman is a top manager and with funds in the summer will make us better and if he doesn't he will be moved on. He knows that.
Mick Davies
53 Posted 16/03/2017 at 20:18:27
Typical Koeman; press conference and dodges the crucial question – is McCarthy fit?
Joe O'Brien
54 Posted 16/03/2017 at 20:18:49
Mike, not sure would I credit Bill with anything to do with getting Ron here... I don't think he wanted to get rid of Martinez in the 1st place.

Koeman is straight talking... tells it like it is... he's going through a tough time at the moment off the pitch with two outstanding contracts that need to be sorted one way or another.

Ian Cowhig
55 Posted 16/03/2017 at 20:23:16
Look forward to the press conferences now. Dreaded them under Martinez. Lots of questions trying to get Koeman to bite and give the journos their big headlines in the morning.

Calm, pointed and factual. Seen the expression below a few times on TW. Move along. Nothing to see here.

Colin Glassar
56 Posted 16/03/2017 at 20:43:03
Darren, you were talking about the Spurs game. The rest of us are talking about the future of the club. The WHL game is not relevant to this discussion.
Ed Fitzgerald
57 Posted 16/03/2017 at 20:47:57
Jay Harris

I'm not sure Koeman has proven himself (yet) to be a top manager winning league titles in Holland with one of the top three clubs is more or less on a par with winning the SPL. He did well at Southampton but he did have Pochettino's legacy to build on and he is doing OK here; no more than that at this stage.

His record elsewhere isn't great at all. If he stays and can guide Everton into the top four over a period of three years and win a cup along the way then I would joining in with the plaudits. It's still early days yet.

James Morgan
58 Posted 16/03/2017 at 21:04:52
Brian Wilkinson, Lukaku has scored more than Ferguson and Cahill. His goals to games ratio is better. He's a young beast who will only get better. How many points more do we get if he scores against the "big boys" and we win? Same as if we beat Sunderland.
Douglas McClenaghan
59 Posted 16/03/2017 at 21:06:09
Frank 40, superb piece. You should be minister for Sport.
John Pierce
60 Posted 16/03/2017 at 21:12:30
I do wonder if Ronnie is a touch put out that he and Rom had an understanding and that with his exquisitely timed comments has rocked a boat which he is in charge of?

Its pretty glib to say he wouldn't be here if Everton weren't ambitious. But I think Rom is saying its not ambitious enough for him, again possibly putting Ronnie side parting out of line.

Will Irwin give Rom a good kicking after the Hull game and mysteriously be unfit for international duty? Time will tell.

James Stewart
61 Posted 16/03/2017 at 21:14:24
More inclined to agree with Rom, we have not been good enough in the transfer windows so far its as simple as that. Yes we have improved a bit but after how inept we were under Martinez that was inevitable.

Rom only has 2 contracts left at the top level that's a very different position to be in than koeman.

Gordon Crawford
62 Posted 16/03/2017 at 21:22:47
Ross is supposedly an Evertonian. Well if I was offered a few grand to kick a ball for my favourite club on this earth, then I would sign yesterday. It should be a formality and it's not, which worries me. Is it Ross that's been hesitant? Or is it another greedy agent?
Colin Glassar
63 Posted 16/03/2017 at 21:40:02
Gordon, we don't know anything about the contract Ross has been offered. For all we know it could be £150 p/w and a free Big Mac if he scores a goal.
Kevin Rowlands
64 Posted 16/03/2017 at 21:46:33
I remember reading an interview with Ross where he described being heartbroken when Rooney left, that gives me some hope although this fucking England call up certainly won't help. I'll be really upset if he leaves, Stones and Lukaku, not that bothered about either to be honest.
Clive Mitchell
65 Posted 16/03/2017 at 22:01:39
Colin, 63 - how much?!
Gordon Crawford
66 Posted 16/03/2017 at 22:01:39
But it's not going to be Colin. Something stinks and it's not my feet.
Jay Harris
67 Posted 16/03/2017 at 22:03:42
Ed,
youre right he hasnt proven himself yet but I am in no doubt he is a massive improvement on Martinez.

Phil, as you know I was opposed to Martinez appointment in the first place but have always respected what Moyes inherited and where he took us.

IMO HE was seriously let down by Kenwright and cronies and should have left 2 or 3 years before he did.

Stan Schofield
68 Posted 16/03/2017 at 22:57:57
This whole episode has obviously given the club a whole lot of publicity, and they say there's no such thing as bad publicity. If it ends up with Lukaku and Barkley signing new contracts, we'll have the result most of us were hoping for, with that added element of increased profile, something which Moshiri has been working on. That could help with signing players, plus all the other business spin-offs that publicity gives.

I suppose some folks might think the whole thing a set-up, a kind of publicity stunt. But they'd have to be mad, or cynical, wouldn't they?

Jason Bowen
69 Posted 16/03/2017 at 00:03:59
Sorry if this offends those in here that want to keep Rom because he knows where the back of the net is and because he has highlighted the shortcomings of our hierarchy but it's all bollocks.

He wants out, he always has and always will, he has never appreciated us and its blatantly obvious we've been onto him from the get go! And more to the point he is making me despise him more and more by the day!

He's a proper gobshite! Get rid ASAP.

Benny Snow
70 Posted 16/03/2017 at 00:15:29
Sick of Rom opening his fat mouth during the season. He did it last time and went off the boil for last 10 games and it fucked the team... If he wants to challenge for trophies make sure you score 2+ every game from here on and get us into the Champions League.

Only 8 points behind 4th so shut ya mouth and score the goals. If at the end of the season you have done your job you can do what the fook you like.

Danny Broderick
71 Posted 17/03/2017 at 00:20:46
Koeman has played this well – 'any player who loses interest in Everton won't play.'

There's no player at Everton with a higher profile than Koeman. Lukaku and his agent cannot fuck with him, he won't stand for it.

In fairness to Rom, I don't think he said anything too bad. But if there's any more of this talk he won't play for us again. He either toes the line and leaves in the summer, or he signs a new deal and stays beyond the summer. In either case, he has to tow the line and show that he is worthy of playing in the Champions League.

Jason Bowen
72 Posted 17/03/2017 at 00:39:05
Koeman pisses all over Rom in every footballing sense, Mr I'm fucking Boss Lukaku doesn't even come close! The annoying thing is that he hasn't come across in the press conference as being overly critical of him because he is desperate for him to stay and he has probably pulled him to one side and had a few quiet words with him.

But Ronald is a disciplinarian at heart and I would bet my mortgage that he wants to rip the shit out of him because thats' how he is. But he hasn't totally and utterly bollocked him because he wants him to stay because there's no one to fill his boots.

I honestly hope the prick spouts off again and the Dutch one proper tears him a new ringpiece! What a dick!

John Pierce
73 Posted 17/03/2017 at 00:57:59
Frank, read your post with interest. We are probably going the wrong way about building at team, the English premier league that is.

One might argue a club like Monaco, can afford to treat the system differently. But they have had to. A few years ago they went the same route, with plenty of Arab money in their pockets but FFP stopped them, a 20,000 capacity stadium crippled their income.

They have prospered mostly because losing a good player is not a big deal. Theres not enough competition in France to make them vulnerable.

They probably have their pick of players from the region as only PSG, Lyon and Marseille are a real draw.

Is it possible to do this in the UK? Take the NW for example with 4/5 very large clubs plus dozens for those who don't cut it.

I think it would be very hard to stay buoyant in the EPL with this model, Crewe thrived on it for ages to a lower level granted but even now the well has run dry.

Commercialism won't let it evolve.

Tony Abrahams
74 Posted 17/03/2017 at 07:38:36
And with Giggs, Neville, Scholes and Butt, Man Utd won the treble, John.
Mike Walker
75 Posted 17/03/2017 at 07:44:08
I do not say a lot on here but no player is bigger than the club.... So, for me, drop Lukaku, put him in the reserves, let him play there.

£100,000 a week and he says we are not ambitious. If you do not like it, get out now.
Steve Pugh
77 Posted 17/03/2017 at 08:06:02
Just to say not everyone is anti-Everton.

"Everton striker Romelu Lukaku can still fulfil his dream of playing in the Champions League if he signs a new contract at Goodison Park, says three-time Arsenal Premier League winner Ray Parlour. (Talksport)"

Parlour actually says the situation is crazy and Rom should sign the contract because we could get 4th as early as next year.

Jerome Shields
78 Posted 17/03/2017 at 08:19:04
Rom in his rant didn't mention the Manager, but he did say 'I know we could have got players' and 'we have to win big games'. The reason we are in the position of being off the pace of a European spot is: player where playing who should have been replaced and losing big games, eg, Spurs.

Why is this a problem? Because it shows that little has changed under the present Managers tenure. This was a crucial game we had to win to gain on Man Utd. What happened was the Manager played players who should have been replaced and Koeman showed a lack of awareness in his tactics of the importance of the game. He's like the other Managers.

Rom has seen been here before... The answers he is getting are the same bullshit he believe before,which resulted in disappointment. Koeman has seized the opportunity that he was not mentioned to defend the Board and deflect the blame from himself. Welcome to reality. You all have a choice, is it bullshit are not. If you where in the team and scoring 20 goals a season, what would you do?

Alex Ferguson once said shortly after taking over at Man Utd: "To win anything, you have have a 20-goal striker; Man Utd haven't had that recently." I say if you don't win with 20-goal striker, he goes somewhere else to win.
Daniel Lim
79 Posted 17/03/2017 at 08:32:15
Steve @77

It seems that ex-Arsenal players are the ones least anti-Everton among the sky darlings?

I know not many people here have high regard for Paul Merson, but I love what he said about Stones last year, which I posted a link here.

And I can't forget what they did to the dark side on the last day of the season, (is it 1988?) when they were 3 points behind and 4 goals down on goal difference, and they beat the shite out of the shite, with Michael Thomas scoring the second goal in their 2-0 win over the shite in 80+ minutes.

John Malone
81 Posted 17/03/2017 at 09:47:26
Still no further comment from Oscar or David Barks on this thread, I wonder why?? Who's hiding behind their iPad after applauding Rom for publicy slating the club and giving his piss poor excuses for wanting to leave?

Well done Koeman you couldn't have put it better! We're all here to win trophies and titles not just Romelu "I think I'm better than what I am" Lukaku!

I'm not concerned if/when Rom goes as long as Koeman and Barkley stay. I'm pretty sure he could use the money we get from his sale plus the money Moshiri has already promised to good use and improve the squad further!

Stan Schofield
82 Posted 17/03/2017 at 10:09:58
Not long ago Everton seemed to be a club that did things discreetly. That dates back a long way, and Catterick and Moores were very good at it. Just getting business done, without drama-queen antics involving the media.

Doesn't seem to the situation now. We now seem to be engaging the media at every opportunity. Moshiri seems to do it, Koeman has done it repeatedly, and Lukaku does it. The management are supposed to lead by example, and it seems Lukaku acts consistently with them, involving the media unnecessarily on the face of it.

And this type of action, compared with actual football action, seems to generate the most threads and posts on TW. Looks to me like Everton have joined the media circus big time, but perhaps this is the name of the game when you're in or aiming for elite status.

William Cartwright
83 Posted 17/03/2017 at 10:11:39
Peter (#38) Yes I am a very frustrated bloke! And it pisses me off no end! As a lifelong Evertonian I remember the good times and the bad but as my dad used to say, 'Could be worse son, we could be supporting Chester!" (He lived in the Wirral and he would never manage to utter the word Liverpool in a footballing context).

Perhaps I overdid the bitterness there a bit, but the frustration is there nonetheless. In fact, looking at it objectively, football is in the process of being spoiled by the mercenaries of all persuasions, same with many other aspects of life.

To contradict myself here, I think Rom is a decent young chap. Cleverer than most, and realistic to know that any game could be his last and that he only has a relatively short window to set himself and his family up for life. I, and most of us would probably behave in a similar, self-serving manner.

I hope he stays and really becomes an Everton great, but realistically he will move on and that could work well for the Club in the long run, who knows.

To revert back to my previous 'frustration', I still cannot get my head around the continuous bias against Everton that I personally feel every time I turn on to Match of the Day or the BBC footy website, or other news media. I have raised this before and been shouted down as 'paranoid' but I don't believe that is so.

Just reading Lawro's predictions sums it up. I know he is a fanatical Liverpool supporter and so do his Employers; a national if not international reporting institution who set the standards for open, honest, objective and unbiased reporting. So how is it that, week after week after bloody week, he and other Liverpool cronies are actively encouraged to aggressively market them on a regular basis? What's the agenda? Where's the interest? It beats me if I can work it out!

Laurie Hartley
84 Posted 17/03/2017 at 10:14:26
Just when I was beginning to think he had got his head right, he's done it again. He is a serial offender.

There wouldn't be too many individuals that could get our friend Ken (#26) angry but Lukaku has managed that dubious achievement.

I've had enough of him - he has never been one of us, never wanted to be one of us, and never will be one of us. And that is why he is not good enough to play for Everton Football Club and never will be.

Goodbye.

Brent Stephens
85 Posted 17/03/2017 at 10:32:52
Stan (#82). Agree. And live by the media, die by the media.
Stan Schofield
86 Posted 17/03/2017 at 10:39:38
Laurie @84: By Everton Football Club, you'll now doubt mean the Everton we grew up with. Welcome to the new Everton.
Laurie Hartley
87 Posted 17/03/2017 at 11:12:22
Stan, the Everton we grew up with was based on a strong foundation. Underneath it all we are still the same club.

We have a new generation of great young fans coming through that have never experienced us winning a trophy. But they will soon.

Listening to his interview I think Everton has "gotten" Koeman.

I think he is wound up to.

And Romelu, to score goals (knowing look to journo) needs the team.

We will be great again, and we will do it without motor mouth. Keep the faith.

Brian Furey
89 Posted 17/03/2017 at 11:57:24
I am still surprised so many of you think Rom doesn't just see us as a stepping stone. Yes, I think he appreciates how we have helped him improve as a young player and become a top scorer.

No matter how much money we spend can you really see us becoming a top Champions League team. He just doesn't want to be making it there but he looks at strikers like Cavani and thinks he can do better than him.

I'd say if he had been with Leicester last year he would definitely wanted to move on to a huge club and not just be happy to play in the Champions League with them.

So in my eyes, he doesn't want to spend the next 4 or 5 years with a club like us who are trying to make it back to the top 4 but instead he wants to be at a more established European club who are regularly winning things.

Koeman handled it well as it was just a media show by Rom's agent to highlight how he has improved and now he is ready for a big club. I will be surprised if he is with us next season.

Len Hawkins
90 Posted 17/03/2017 at 13:29:24
Andy Dunne in his Mirror column asks Lukaku Why were the top clubs not beating the doors down at Goodison to sign him last year. And why does he not want to play in the team that reawakens the slumbering giant.

As he points out Moshiri hasn't come here to tread water he has brought in a Manager who wants Success as much if not more than Lukaku and the new ground is more than a dream. People don't throw vast amounts of money just to sit there once a week watching mid-table mediocrity he wants to watch a winning team at the top of their game.

And surely at 23 Lukaku should give the club a chance to show it means business instead of announcing his annual "I want a bigger club" rubbish. Only one team can win the Premier League; only one team can win the European Champions League. So he will be extremely lucky if he picks the right one when his current club is striving to do what he wants to do somewhere else.

Alan McGuffog
91 Posted 17/03/2017 at 13:52:51
Len, in a nutshell, because during the Euros he resembled a below-par Rod Belfit.
Peter Murray
92 Posted 17/03/2017 at 15:54:05
Sure by now after all the total negative hype continuously, season after season, spoken by this so-called "star", you would have realised – he is not and Evertonian, never wanted to be & is just here for the money – a total non entity... Especially after a real Evertonian – Alex Young – passed away last week.

Just get rid, get the money – use it intelligently, without Coronation Bill's involvement & move on forward with a team we can consistently call our side!!

COYB

Paul Ferry
94 Posted 17/03/2017 at 17:39:00
Benny Snow (#70): 'Sick of Rom opening his fat mouth during the season. Only 8 points behind 4th so shut ya mouth and score the goals. If at the end of the season you have done your job you can do what the fook you like'.

Erm, have you been watching? He is doing his job. Quite well, it seems. Level top scorer in the Premier league with one more assist than cad Kane. With the exception of Kane all the top 6 scorers seem rather lippy to me. It might be what makes them very good strikers.

I happen to think that his superb goal scoring record gives him a little leeway to speak out. Sometimes I don't like it. This time I do. Very much. For how long have many on here been crying out for someone – anyone – to speak up. It has happened. I hope it happens again. Divisive my ass. The gaffer seems somewhat non-phased if not down right motivated.

Some of the comments about Lukaku on here are flatly embarrassing. Nor does he have a fat mouth.

Barry Jones
95 Posted 17/03/2017 at 18:04:48
My biggest concern is that we lose Koeman. He is a wonderfully pragmatic manager, the opposite to Martinez. I have a great amount of trust in his abilities.
Ed Fitzgerald
96 Posted 17/03/2017 at 18:18:38
Barry,

Being wonderfully pragmatic doesn't make him a wonderful manager. If he gets us into the top 4 within three years and manages good finishes in the other two years at least 7th followed by an improvement in the second season, and secures a trophy that would make him a good manager.

Outside of his time in the Netherlands his record isn't that great. He is a pragmatist and he will do what's best for him, ask Southampton fans! So it's a bit rich for him to be getting miffed with Rom when he says he wants to go, when he has actually given us four years. I don't want either to go but they are just employees – they don't have the same attachment to the club as we do.

Len Hawkins
97 Posted 17/03/2017 at 19:05:43
Alan (#91), Rod Belfitt – lol. There's a name to conjour our hopes and inspirations. If I couldn't have done better than him, I would become a RedNeck.
Geoff Harrison
98 Posted 17/03/2017 at 19:06:52
To the tune of 'Oh my darlin' Clementine'

"Keep your mouth shut.
Keep your mouth shut,
Keep your mouth shut, Romelu
Do your talking with your scoring
And keep your mouth shut, Romelu"

Stan Schofield
99 Posted 17/03/2017 at 19:17:13
Geoff, to be sung by Huckleberry Hound.
John Davies
100 Posted 17/03/2017 at 19:48:01
Laurie (#84). Absolutely spot on. The lad just can't keep his big head and mouth from running off. Totally bored with him.
Stan Schofield
101 Posted 17/03/2017 at 20:54:04
Words from footballers' mouths are seldom inspiring. They get famous via their feet, not their eloquence.

Whether Lukaku is considered arrogant, or to have a big gob, or to be a gobshite, or to be boring some Evertonians, is of no interest to me. I'm interested in what he does on the pitch, which is rather good, given that his main job is to score goals.

Focusing on anything else is just letting yourself be pulled, by the media, into the realms of soap opera. It's for drama queens.

Mick Davies
102 Posted 17/03/2017 at 21:03:03
Koeman's pidgin English seems almost rehearsed: surely he must have improved after 3 pr 4 years in this country?
Jason Bowen
103 Posted 17/03/2017 at 21:17:35
Jamie Carragher trying to appease the RS fans there by saying Lukaku is right to want to move away and trying to blame Koeman for saying he should be aiming for Barcelona in the Daily Mail... Not surprising really after the grief he took for wearing Everton training gear the other week.

Sooner this gobshite Lukaku leaves our club the better.

And ban that tit Carragher from Finch Farm in future eh.

Mike T Jones
104 Posted 17/03/2017 at 21:25:21
He's the best manager we've had in a long time.
Patrick Murphy
105 Posted 17/03/2017 at 21:29:47
Would Everton FC take Bilic back should Koeman leave Goodison? All of the sudden, all of the talent is going to leave Everton and we'll be back to where we started, the plucky little club that is no threat to the monied elite.

Somebody at EFC had better make a proper statement that puts a stop to all of this nonsense, because the media aren't taking Everton seriously and in many ways they are deliberately undermining us at every turn.

I hope we put six or seven past the Tigers tomorrow, but I have this horrible feeling it will be a bad day at the office – I hope I'm completely wrong.

Lev Vellene
106 Posted 17/03/2017 at 21:32:23
Geoff (#98) That sounds so lovely out of tune as to touch my heart!
Lev Vellene
107 Posted 17/03/2017 at 21:44:14
Mick (#102),

Yes, It really should have. But I fear it is very much a clash between what he wants to say, and how he translates into English. I get puzzled at times, and I'm not Dutch! But once I see his "English" answers, I try to translate them into Norwegian (just to check the difference..).

Some things have come off wrong in the media, but mostly I think Koeman is bang-on with a lot of his comments. But I think Koeman sort-of prefers to be seen as harsh with his comments, no matter how he actually talks to the players involved.

Steavey Buckley
108 Posted 17/03/2017 at 21:53:40
If Koeman did not want Barkley, he would have gone in the last transfer window.
Ian Hollingworth
110 Posted 18/03/2017 at 07:39:26
Rom is going so we might as well get used to it. Unfortunately his talking to the press about the board etc just feeds the small club mentality jibes so we really do need to see the club bring in some top players this summer.

I hope they are doing more than sorting the stadium move. A shiny new stadium will be nice but a trophy winning team would be a lot better please.

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