The report suggests that Manchester United may be prepared to waive a transfer fee for the 31-year-old, that despite Rooney having two years left on his current contract.
Delaney also says that the England international would be prepared to take a 50% cut in his astronomical Old Trafford wages to make the deal happen.
Everton were rumoured to have had a loan bid for their academy graduate knocked back by Jose Mourinho in January but speculation has persisted since that Rooney's days with United are over now that he has broken their all-time goalscoring record.
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1 Posted 22/03/2017 at 06:03:58
2 Posted 22/03/2017 at 06:20:21
Worth a purported 100 million or so Euros, he is set for life. Wonder what Evertonians would be prepared to pay him IF he rejoined. Personally, it's a big no from me, unless he accepted a paltry 50 grand a week and even then I wouldn't be happy.
3 Posted 22/03/2017 at 06:23:29
The boost this would bring to the club, the air of confidence it would bring to the younger players, and some of the older generation, would be immense. Let's get it done.
4 Posted 22/03/2017 at 06:29:39
5 Posted 22/03/2017 at 06:43:15
6 Posted 22/03/2017 at 06:45:48
7 Posted 22/03/2017 at 07:02:41
As a replacement to Lukaku no. For me he may offer something in some games but not for every game. More likely to be in the Barry position.
I'd be very cautious of the wages he'd command and would ask the question is it all worth it?
Yes he may work commercially due to his world wide stature but lets not forget that first and foremost he's a player and we need to bring him back for solid reasons on that basis.
8 Posted 22/03/2017 at 07:27:37
I don't see the rest of the top six in the mix for a player with declining powers and neither should we be.
Still, it's Koeman's project, so well see .
9 Posted 22/03/2017 at 07:28:09
Rooney is past it. If he's not good enough for Man Utd then he's not good enough for EFC. He isn't a striker anymore, so would have to go into the midfield. Who's he going to replace there?
What message would it send out to our younger players? Go to another club if they offer you more money, and if it doesn't work out for you, or even if it does but one day they decide you're finished with, then come back to Everton, we'll always keep the door open for you.
What a load of Shite. We're meant to be moving forwards, not backwards.
10 Posted 22/03/2017 at 07:46:12
11 Posted 22/03/2017 at 07:49:26
12 Posted 22/03/2017 at 07:58:42
I'd put this on a par with the David Ginola and Gazza signings, hopefully it never happens.
13 Posted 22/03/2017 at 08:06:03
14 Posted 22/03/2017 at 08:21:14
He would raise the profile, maybe help in attracting players. But worried he would get in the way of developing the younger players.
He is not a No 9 anymore, maybe just behind or an impact sub - but for the type of coin he would command is it worth getting someone whom would get in the way of the development of Ross, or someone whom comes off the bench for the last 20.
But all this aside, if Koeman wants him, he strikes me as someone whom wants a particular player for a particular job (like Conte at Chelsea), so he is the gaffer.
I think for this one, I am going to sit on the fence .
15 Posted 22/03/2017 at 08:45:17
16 Posted 22/03/2017 at 08:47:16
Yes he could still offer us something but for how long? The benefits of course would be the PR exercise and this would reverberate around world football.
17 Posted 22/03/2017 at 09:04:51
My initial thoughts are the same as most of those against this. However. Koeman and Walsh both seem to think he can do a job and add something to the squad so I guess we have to trust their judgement if this does come about.
18 Posted 22/03/2017 at 09:23:55
I would say yes to having him. I am all for bringing youngsters in but I think his experience and presence at the club could motivate the young players and could be helpful to their overall development.
19 Posted 22/03/2017 at 09:32:16
If he was going to be on a similar wage to say Gareth Barry, a true pro, then that's fine by me.
But for £150k a week we could get a top class player and i'm not sure Rooney has been that for a few seasons now.
This reeks of Kenwright to me who obviously loves the theatrical and I'd worry that this would be a move instigated by him whispering in Moshiri's ear rather than Koeman's appraisal of what we need on the pitch given his desire for fit, run-all-day athletic types to play his pressing game.
20 Posted 22/03/2017 at 09:38:14
People talking about commercial profile when it's one area we've neglected for years. As long as Kim Jong Bill is involved, mark this one down as a cert.
21 Posted 22/03/2017 at 09:41:25
22 Posted 22/03/2017 at 09:45:28
23 Posted 22/03/2017 at 09:50:04
24 Posted 22/03/2017 at 09:52:26
25 Posted 22/03/2017 at 09:53:52
His passion for EFC, his will to win and the know how and confidence he would bring to the team would be worth the top dollar.
Like Andy Gray became a catalyst, Wayne could do a great job in the dressing room and on the training pitch with the young players, building their belief. He would also be a draw to attracting other top players, the media would lap it up "Blue coming Home" and the world wide audience would benefit a higher profile for EFC.
He is a blue and he will feel he has unfinished business. His free kicks and his movement would be a joy to watch. I could go on but a couple of things I have noticed over the last few years.
One – He never celebrates his goals with the Man Utd fans – his motivation there has fallen along with his relationship with his manager.
Lastly, this fitness thing – I believe when he comes back he will be highly motivated to get in shape and the relative rest he has had over the last year is a prelude to writing more legacy for himself and his family in a blue shirt. I am dreaming of a run from half-way with Rom and Ross going either way and a thunderbolt in front of The Street!
Even if you feel it is a bit of a gamble, all of the above and the joy of my son and other kids would make this a no-brainer.
Bring back that Blue!
26 Posted 22/03/2017 at 09:56:52
27 Posted 22/03/2017 at 09:58:12
Sign him up.
28 Posted 22/03/2017 at 09:59:41
Double edged sword indeed. If he's got anything left in the tank, then I'm sure he will be a success, but it's a big "if" the way he's played the last couple of seasons. I'm sure this move will re-light his fire, but as Bellow, just proved against Haye, it's all about fitness now?
29 Posted 22/03/2017 at 10:00:14
30 Posted 22/03/2017 at 10:08:18
He would be on a free transfer. Wages would be high... but he'd raise the profile of the club and sell a lot of stuff for us, so I can see it being worth it.
He's not that old! But to be honest I haven't seen him play enough recently to get a feel about how much he had declined. I still think he has a couple of season in him – as did Gareth Barry when he joined us. The guy has pedigree and has won a lot of stuff. It's useful to have in the dressing room, and underneath it all he's a born blue.
31 Posted 22/03/2017 at 10:08:48
32 Posted 22/03/2017 at 10:14:56
Now for the cons. He could be washed up and hamper the progress for the up and coming strikers..like if he's in the match day squad does he get brought on instead of Calvert-Lewin?
Koeman and Walsh seem very keen so I'm putting my trust in them. Looks like we'll have the Europa League next year at least so we'll need a big squad to compete in everything. On the fence but leaning towards the pro side. It's a tough call.
33 Posted 22/03/2017 at 10:21:38
34 Posted 22/03/2017 at 10:24:45
Perhaps we should be looking at it the other way round. Might take a few years but players will come to us because we are a better club.
35 Posted 22/03/2017 at 10:50:39
36 Posted 22/03/2017 at 10:52:13
37 Posted 22/03/2017 at 11:01:26
If he's not up to it he won't get in the team ahead of the youngsters, who should be targetting his place anyway. If he doesn't cut the mustard, flog him to China. If he comes back fit and highly motivated then it's a masterstroke. And wasn't Schneiderlin a Manc reject?
38 Posted 22/03/2017 at 11:03:46
39 Posted 22/03/2017 at 11:14:17
40 Posted 22/03/2017 at 11:20:50
Cleverley will have cost us about £4-5 million over two years. We look like we're gonna get his fee back.
There a lot of nonsense comments that it is Man Utd that are not good enough for him. Get a grip! If Man Utd wanted him, he'd be staying.
If we lose Lukaku this summer, we need to use the money to bring in two strikers and probably money left over for a centre back. That would probably include a big fat transfer fee on one striker. I would not be chuffed to see much of it go on fast depreciating player.
41 Posted 22/03/2017 at 11:21:21
Rooney has played much deeper in recent years, hence why his goals dropped off since he wasn't playing up top any more.
As for his wages being high - look at the rewards. Rooney isn't just a footballer, he's a marketing opportunity. One of the biggest names in world football coming home to his boyhood club is great for business, regardless of what you think about things that happened 13 years ago or whatever it was.
Football is business, and Rooney leaving at 18 was nothing but business - I wish people would leave it at that in 2017.
The exposure this would give to EFC, not to mention the revenue cannot be underestimated. Rooney also still has a massive amount to offer as a footballer, and a mentor to other players. He brings a winning mentality, has been a top player at a top club all his career, and is a blue.
I don't see any single downside to this happening. Bring the boy home.
42 Posted 22/03/2017 at 11:23:48
Steve Walsh also talked about the possibility of Rooney returning. So this wasn't Rooney looking for the move this was our manager and director of football talking about a player who still has 18 months left on his contract with another club.
Now the one thing we know about Koeman there will be absolutely no sentimentality in his decision. He and Walsh will make their decisions as hard nosed professionals. So if they think it's the right thing for Everton, you have to back their decision.
43 Posted 22/03/2017 at 11:24:08
Younger players who the other big clubs want are who we should be going for. This is one step back if it happens and disappointing when we look like we're going in the right direction.
44 Posted 22/03/2017 at 11:26:54
I would view this based on a number of issues. He was virtually pushed through the door by Kenwright to Man Utd to keep the banks at bay. Rooney's football brain is light-years ahead of any TW reader's and 99% of the current squad. Rooney doesn't turn around in circles then make a 5 yard pass, as our current darling Ross does.
Rooney still strikes fear into the opposition also he has continued scoring against the RS for 13 years. The commercial side looks after itself. By the way, it's a Yes from me!!!!
45 Posted 22/03/2017 at 11:28:27
46 Posted 22/03/2017 at 11:31:33
This is a short term measure but necessary in my opinion as it continues to make people stand up and take notice, continually improving our global name.
Playing wise, I don't agree with the salary that's being reported (Far far too much) and as for playing ability, he's not going to start every game . but can you imagine the boost it will give the other players when he comes on as a sub for instance? Crowd chanting 'Rooney, Rooney'??! That can only be good.
His influence will also be fantastic for our youngsters, they'll be over the moon taking advice from an England captain!
I for one have moved on from when he left, I'm looking forward now, the revolution continues
47 Posted 22/03/2017 at 11:34:10
48 Posted 22/03/2017 at 11:44:36
He's on the bench for United. It's been three years since he was a top player and does he get a run with England?
I suggest that Everton is, and on the way to being, a much wealthier and high profile club than it was a few years back.
I don't see how Rooney coming back would improve the club off the field to any large degree.
I also don't want him back for every other conceivable reason and that includes him leaving his beloved club at 18 years of age.
49 Posted 22/03/2017 at 11:52:09
Essentially this is free advertising for Everton, and put's us in the minds of players, fans and people from all over the world don't underestimate the power of advertising. Everton is a small-player in that sense and having Rooney onboard puts us into the limelight.
That's great marketing, along with us being back in Europe and would give us even more pulling power for new players. We all want Everton to progress, and Rooney playing for us is another step towards becoming a force again.
50 Posted 22/03/2017 at 11:56:01
51 Posted 22/03/2017 at 12:21:52
I can't be arsed arguing as to what Rooney is still capable of doing on the pitch, but with his passion and undoubted ability I'm sure he will still be a success. If we are honest, players salaries really have fuck-all to do with us, so I'm in no position to moan about how much money Everton Football Club decide to pay a player.
I would also say it's a cert that Lukaku is going, probably a dead cert in fact, but I feel that Rooney will definitely work on trying to persuade Barkley into staying put. Everton is on the rise, sell-outs for most games this season, a ground move and players like Schneiderlin arriving.
For me, if your only argument is how much money Rooney will earn then you need to look at what it would mean to Everton Football Club; bringing a player of his quality back home. He's only 31 and we have no idea about his fitness because we are not in the loop, but rest assured Rooney wants to come to Goodison.
52 Posted 22/03/2017 at 12:28:28
53 Posted 22/03/2017 at 12:35:54
54 Posted 22/03/2017 at 12:44:13
55 Posted 22/03/2017 at 12:45:42
56 Posted 22/03/2017 at 12:50:35
"I feel that Rooney will definitely work on trying to persuade Barkley into staying put."
Not if he hooks him up with his dirtbag agent he won't!
If anything, it'll probably be the other way around and many of our young talents will be off to United or other pastures, to one day return to play for 'Plucky' Everton and get a hero's reception.
57 Posted 22/03/2017 at 12:57:23
I personally cannot see the harm in bringing in Rooney; he is still going to be better than what we currently have on our books in the attacking midfield position, by a long way. He will not be the only signing we make in summer.
If he drops his wages by 50%, yes it's still a ridiculous amount but he is clearly coming back for footballing reasons, as he could sit on his arse for 2 more years at Man Utd for double the money, or perhaps even triple if he flies out to China.
People saying that he isn't good enough for Man Utd so we shouldn't take him. How many minutes had Sneiderlin played under Maureen? The same man who thought Lukaku wouldn't make it either. The same man who binned Mata.
It's pointless losing sleep and raising your blood pressure over this, if it's going to happen it will and no amount of key bashing will make any bit of difference Get your Royal Blue shirt back on lad and show the world you're not a spent force for a season or two.
58 Posted 22/03/2017 at 13:00:09
Is the player over 31? [check]
Are his legs going or gone? [check]
Everton will only get one season out of the player [check]
This move wouldn't even be on the cards if Rooney wasn't a boyhood Evertonian. I can only imagine it's out of sympathy and enables him to get his coaching badges.
Playing the game, if he was to arrive, who would he displace? I doubt it would be Barkley on his current form. He's not a striker so not Lukaku.
I can not see any on-field benefit on having Rooney back.
59 Posted 22/03/2017 at 13:02:46
60 Posted 22/03/2017 at 13:06:23
I am definitely in the wrong profession.
61 Posted 22/03/2017 at 13:06:40
I would be surprised to see Rooney gracing the cover of FIFA 2018, for example.
62 Posted 22/03/2017 at 13:08:00
We're being totally played here by United and Mourinho.
No other team in top 6 wud want Rooney so we shouldn't take him for sentimental reasons? It's a nice end to his career but pointless and counterproductive for Everton.
It would be like Klopp and the RS putting Jan Molby back in the team. Lol
63 Posted 22/03/2017 at 13:11:45
He's not the player he was, but he'll play deeper and is still a class act. Utd bought Schweinsteiger, and Zlatan, Sheringham etc etc when they were all in their 30's.
It's not the 1970's anymore, players are fitter later in life and have longer careers.
64 Posted 22/03/2017 at 13:19:24
On the plus side, he's certainly a 'winner' and a leader. He can be a good influence in the dressing room for younger players. He's got 2 years left on his contract, so it does concern me that Utd would let him go for free. What do they know? Surely if he's good enough, they would be demanding £10-15m regardless of the wage he is on? I think the move would give the player a renewed hunger, but for how long?
Regarding the shirt sales etc..we receive a fixed income for all merchandising.
65 Posted 22/03/2017 at 13:21:32
*Meanwhile, in the report*
"Manchester United may be prepared to waive a transfer fee for the 31-year-old, that despite Rooney having two years left on his current contract."
Me - "What's 9 plus 10?"
Matt #17 - "21"
66 Posted 22/03/2017 at 13:28:19
As I see it, we need one pivotal player: someone who can assist, and dictate the tempo. Ross has got better at that, but he is not primarily a playmaker.
Rooney can assist, but he is not a true playmaker either, and I think both Ross and Rooney share a similar trait: they slow things down. In a different Everton the return of Rooney might work, but does he fit into this team? I'm not convinced.
We should spend our money on a playmaker, back up striker (younger than Rooney and willing to set on the bench at times), a centre-back, a goalkeeper, and a left-back. I don't see where Rooney fits in, even if his quality would be a boost. We need a Mata, not a Rooney.
67 Posted 22/03/2017 at 13:28:26
68 Posted 22/03/2017 at 13:41:30
He's past it and will only decline further from here.
Rooney is willing to take a 50% pay cut? That would still make him our highest paid player. Don't pay money to a yesterdays man in him, pay it to tomorrows men like Barkley and Rom.
69 Posted 22/03/2017 at 13:47:52
70 Posted 22/03/2017 at 13:52:07
71 Posted 22/03/2017 at 13:59:47
72 Posted 22/03/2017 at 14:04:38
Thanks to FFP there is a limit on how much our wages and spend can go up each year so money on Rooney is less money elsewhere... but then again I would love to see that t-shirt once more as he scores a last minute winner at Anfield!
73 Posted 22/03/2017 at 14:25:38
74 Posted 22/03/2017 at 14:26:52
Kone, 33, will be gone in the summer.
Barry, 35 and Jags, 34, will likely go too.
So, I don't think the age is a factor. Our average age would still have reduced considerably year on year if we bring him in. And he is arguably more talented than any of the above, bar Hibbo.
For me a bigger factor is cost, and impact on Barkley.
If we can get him for less than £10M, its a good deal. And on wages less than £80k on a two yr contract, I'd be pretty happy generally.
The final caveat is, I can't see him and Barkley in the same team. or certainly not, him Barkley and Davies.
Its a no from me, but not because of his age...
I'd still love if he came back though... Let Koeman sort out the logistics!
75 Posted 22/03/2017 at 14:30:52
In regards to Gazza, he got a serious knee injury, he also let the juice get the better of him, so in regards to Gazza, very unfair comparison to Rooney.
I recall we got simular comments when we signed Richard Gough and Tim Howard and even Nigel Martyn, all three did a great job at Everton.
Alan Harper and Kevin Sheedy, Peter Reid, Andy Gray, all of those were not good enough to get into their club team or the latter's after one final pay day.
He may not be as quick now but he's no slow coach and has one hell of a football brain, also a never-give-up attitude and a will to win, let's face it we do not have many vocal leaders on the pitch.
I would rather a player like Rooney bollock a player who over hits a pass that ends up 30 yards astray, than a player put his thumb up who had no chance on getting to the wasted pass...
76 Posted 22/03/2017 at 14:41:37
Contrast this to our situation. Valencia is proving to be handy, but hardly inspiring, then we have Kone and... well, isn't that about it?
He isn't the player he was. But could be very useful still. If he is on a free, then his wages would be acceptable over a short period, say 2 years, when set against raising the profile of the club globally.
77 Posted 22/03/2017 at 14:47:19
I think the problem for him (and for a few other Man Utd players) is Mr Mourinho. I think Mourinho has told the board that he doesn't see Wayne in his plans and so paying him £300K a week is a costly expense for a man not playing.
I think Rooney knows he still has plenty to offer and he has made his fortune now so he can take a huge pay cut to go back to his home team and show his own kids what it's like to be an Everton fan. No doubt his wife doesn't want to move to China or even the US. They can probably stay in their same house and be happy whilst daddy get's to live his dream again.
For me, Koeman and Walsh know what they're talking about and whilst he's not the player he was 10 years ago, they still know he has a lot to offer a team who need experience to blend in with the young team they are building.
The young players there would love having a player of Rooney's stature to learn from. He's got the hunger and drive to pass on and I'd say Koeman knows that more than anyone.
78 Posted 22/03/2017 at 15:24:16
79 Posted 22/03/2017 at 15:28:56
80 Posted 22/03/2017 at 15:36:43
81 Posted 22/03/2017 at 15:37:25
82 Posted 22/03/2017 at 15:38:56
If he is better than the players we have currently, that is an indictment of the club. The fact some on here want him back at even half his current wages is an indictment of the fans, showing a willingness to settle for cast-offs and has-beens.
I thought we were done being a final stop for a big paycheck for past it players, or did I just imagine that sentiment expressed on here over the last two seasons?
I want the club to stop shopping thrift stores and consignment shops and to step up and target players with proven upsides and medals to mix in with our "potentially" good players (Davies, Lookman, Holgate among others).
Go get younger players and pay the going rate or more for them (Pulisic, Dembele, Isak, or Mor from Dortmund or any other 19-to 27 year old player from Champions Leaague teams).
Rooney is not the boost for the club profile that is needed. It would be same old Everton who in the last several seasons bought Barry, Mis-Stek, Eto'o, and now Rooney, when all are past their better days. (Yes, I included Barry, if you look at his games when he was 25-31 years old versus what he has been for Everton.)
It would only help cement Everton as a second-tier club, unable to scout world class players and sign them and instead, content with walking around the trees picking up the fallen apples instead of climbing up and picking the prize ones.
Rooney would not likely boost the image or marketing over here in the USA and possibly all of North and South America. He is just not that popular, except maybe with ex-pats. Neymar, Pulisic, Coutinho, Zlatan, Sanchez, Rodriquez, or Chicharito to Everton would cause more of a boost on this side of the world. Rooney cannot even be considered a lock to make the squad for what must be considered as a middling national team. How is he going to pull in the new fans and merch money, other than English fans buying his new Everton kit?
83 Posted 22/03/2017 at 15:42:46
Come to that what pace did Darren Gibson have, not a lot but he could play a first time pass with their defence on the Blackfoot.
A couple of seasons ago every man and his dog would have given anything for a fully fit Gibson in the team, he's nowhere near the class of Rooney.
84 Posted 22/03/2017 at 15:44:54
85 Posted 22/03/2017 at 15:47:33
Hardly a player ready for the Derby and Joan club just yet.
86 Posted 22/03/2017 at 15:51:56
87 Posted 22/03/2017 at 16:00:39
You really want to show the world what Everton means? Then go for Big Dunc.
88 Posted 22/03/2017 at 16:01:00
He would bring a winning mentality to the club.
89 Posted 22/03/2017 at 16:10:41
As for Rooney not getting any playing time at Man Utd; that's their current manager's call. Rooney's not "old"; he's out of favour. If he did make a return to Goodison, I think you would see a fitter, committed Rooney, desperate to make a difference.
So a "Yes" from me.
90 Posted 22/03/2017 at 16:18:41
91 Posted 22/03/2017 at 16:18:55
But some on Twitter won't have it. No doubt it'll be the same on here... pity.
92 Posted 22/03/2017 at 16:19:55
Bring him back. He still has something to offer; on the pitch and in the locker room.
We, or so many of us, think we're just that bit away from jumping into the Champions League fray. In a major transition season, we're not off it yet.
What we don't have, and for sure we don't, is a talented veteran whose been thru all the battles for silverware; for Wayne, year-in and year-out over a decade. We need to attach value to that beyond finance.
93 Posted 22/03/2017 at 16:29:15
Midfield would be Gana, Schneiderlin, Davies and Barkley, with Rooney and Lukaku pushed further up, or you could play either of the midfielders further up and drop Rooney back.
Looks decent enough for me, so whoever I have missed out, Steavey, that's who he would replace, using Lookman as an impact player from the bench.
94 Posted 22/03/2017 at 16:30:17
95 Posted 22/03/2017 at 16:33:53
96 Posted 22/03/2017 at 16:34:42
One thing you can say about Rooney: he's a winner. He's vocal and, for the short time we might have him, he will toughen up the team we have. No-brainier for me, worth the punt.
97 Posted 22/03/2017 at 16:37:52
Rooney needs to be in the starting eleven at some club or other in order to prolong his England career and therefore, if he takes a pay-cut, he won't want to be sitting on the bench most weeks.
For Everton, the question must be: If we lose Ross, will Rooney be able to play, week-in & week-out, for a full season? If he can't, we should say "Thanks, but no thanks."
98 Posted 22/03/2017 at 16:39:15
He doesn't deserve to start just because he is Wayne Rooney. In saying this, it's all hypothetical.
99 Posted 22/03/2017 at 16:59:07
I wouldn't mind him coming back, but not to replace anyone, especially not Ross. We need to build the team around him.
100 Posted 22/03/2017 at 17:14:02
101 Posted 22/03/2017 at 17:14:23
But it's more important to sign up Barkley.
102 Posted 22/03/2017 at 17:30:37
Who was this thread about again?
103 Posted 22/03/2017 at 17:31:22
He's the most prolific scorer Manchester United have ever had. Most prolific goal scorer England have ever had. We have been crying out for someone who can support Lukaku and feed him whilst still having the ability to score plenty too.
Would anyone say no to:
There's plenty more but you get my point. The reason Rooney hasn't performed as well this last year or so is not being played. He is exceptionally talented and will offer so much more for us if he came. Add into that the obvious commercial aspect and what on earth would we be thinking NOT having him.
With Rooney included we would be a better side by far. Fact.
104 Posted 22/03/2017 at 17:35:16
I live outside of Liverpool, England. I'm definitely not bought. Even though people I meet get a little shocked and confused that I support Everton, I've never hesitated on my loyalty.
I do see your point though. A la Real Madrid, Barca, PSG, Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, and now even city fans are found by the thousands no matter where you are in the world.
ps: Rooney for Barkley in a straight swoop. If we're lucky we won't have to pay them a penny more than Barkley. Only kidding. Our diamond better not be going anywhere, besides on international duty, because he bleeds blue.
pps: Rooney coming back? My view is that he could be to us what Ibrahimovich is to Man Utd... except a bit sporadic with the starts. I wasn't watching football or supporting Everton when he made his break, through, so I hold no emotional attachment to him. I know he flows with emotions and that could be the driving force if utilised appropriately.
He should be a minor signing, not major.
105 Posted 22/03/2017 at 17:46:04
106 Posted 22/03/2017 at 18:07:36
He will be a welcome addition when he comes back, we cannot guarantee he will be the same player, Bracewell and Oviedo are perfect examples of coming back from a terrible injury.
For now we need to hit the new season running, if we get Rooney on a free and as stated takes a wage cut. For me, well worth bringing him in.
Some are for it; some against. Difference of opinions but both sides fair pros and cons... only time will tell.
I respect everyone's comments for and against that's what makes ToffeeWeb: fans' opinions.
107 Posted 22/03/2017 at 18:10:47
I can't understand where you get the 3-5 seasons left in him.
Alex Ferguson dropped him years ago for the effects his lifestyle was having on his stamina and fitness.
The Man Utd fans, having got the best out of him, are all screaming at the club to get him off the wage bill.
If he can't get a game for an average Man Utd side, why should he get a game for us?
This has all the hallmarks of a teary-eyed Bill, "I never wanted him to go in the first place now we have brought him home" on it.
Rooney is no longer top Premier League level material and that is obvious watching him play.
Yes, he's only 31 but has had 14 years of toil in the Premier League and a less-than-professional lifestyle.
What we need is the "new" Rooney not the "retiree" version.
108 Posted 22/03/2017 at 18:11:24
FFP means, in order for us to spend more and attract the best players, we need to improve our income streams. This is the huge upside to having a professional businessman in Moshiri, someone who has the nous to turn our commercial income into higher numbers to allow us to spend more on fees and wages.
This brings me to our dear Wayne. Commercially, he is still a big name; England captain, all-time record goalscorer for England and Manchester United, the boy from Croxteth and the ultimate rags-to-riches story. His name still reverberates around the world as the most recognisable English name in football after a certain D Beckham of Leytonstone. This is the kind of name we need to raise our commercial profile. (We tried with Eto'o and that didn't work out due to his attitude, sad to say.)
Footballing wise, I think he adds something to the team as a leader, a driver, and a mentor to those in his position like Barkley, Davies, and lower down the pecking order, Dowell and Walsh. Is he on the decline? Absolutely. Is he still as good as anything we have? Certainly? Is he finished? Not on your life.
The only issue for me is whether, by him coming, he's prepared to be in and out of the team as he wouldn't be an automatic choice, although he'd be excellent for squad depth. Wages are almost certainly an issue as I wonder if we'd want to pay weekly 6-figure salaries for an impact player. A lot will boil down to how willing will he be to come back and finish his competitive career at his boyhood club before his retirement in China/USA?
Depending on the deal, it's a Yes from me as long as the wages aren't too silly and he's not guaranteed a starting role.
109 Posted 22/03/2017 at 18:20:29
Is that really where we are?
110 Posted 22/03/2017 at 18:25:24
I don't care for sentimentality.
111 Posted 22/03/2017 at 18:25:37
Besic, Bolasie, Valencia, McCarthy, Lookman, Mirallas, Barry, NIasse, McGeady, Walsh, Deulofeu, Lennon... Plus others.
If I had to choose between Rooney or Valencia, I would go with Valencia, who has vastly improved since the beginning of the season. His finishing and link up play with Lukaku against Hull was of the highest standard.
112 Posted 22/03/2017 at 18:47:45
Gueye - Schneiderlin
Davies - Barkley - Mirallas
Lukaku - Rooney
113 Posted 22/03/2017 at 18:48:53
114 Posted 22/03/2017 at 18:55:11
Everything else has already been said countless times. He is on his last legs after 14 seasons and he has not looked after himself.
Man Utd got Zlatan because he sets an example as a player. On & off the pitch.
115 Posted 22/03/2017 at 18:55:24
That's not supporting the club/team, Chris. That's supporting the manager... to the point where you are prepared to forfeit your own opinion.
116 Posted 22/03/2017 at 18:57:44
117 Posted 22/03/2017 at 19:16:29
Funes Mori in nets then.... Sorted! :)
118 Posted 22/03/2017 at 19:16:31
If there's real potential behind the Rooney rumours and the club would seek to sign him, and keep Lukaku on equal wages, does it even need saying how Rom would view this?
Rooney at Everton as the/one of the, highest paid players would rubber stamp our lack of ability to really think big, or at least think up to whatever level of funds we actually have.
On the back of what's happened with Lukaku and is fast developing with Barkley, Rooney should not be here on near their money. If we couldn't pay them more, then it should be less for Rooney.
As to image, statements, draw, club profile with Rooney here an almost irrelevant consideration at this stage.
119 Posted 22/03/2017 at 19:22:32
120 Posted 22/03/2017 at 19:53:11
As I've said before, we have to stop thinking only about an EFC first XI if we are to join the current big boys! We need about two squads if we want to compete both in England and in any European cup! So, what's not to like about having Rooney available in a 22-man squad???
121 Posted 22/03/2017 at 20:31:21
In this case, with Wayne a life-long Evertonian I see the value. I've been an Evertonian since 1999 and was disappointed when he left for Man Utd but reluctantly saw that it was necessary at the time. Rooney needed to be with a higher level of mates, witness his performance with Everton vs those with the England squad, he needed to grow as a club professional, unfortunately at the time we couldn't offer that for the player.
If Rooney does return to Everton, I feel he will add the "X-factor" at least in the locker room to our squad. If we are to advance to and through Europe we need a deep and experienced squad. Who better than Wayne Rooney? True Blue.
122 Posted 22/03/2017 at 20:59:28
Your argument is belittled by your apparent bias.
123 Posted 22/03/2017 at 21:34:17
Simple repetition isn't enough to render something 'fact'.
You say Rooney has 3-5 seasons at not just the top, but the very top. "Quite easily". How is that in anyway a "football fact"? Complete conjecture on your part, and that's before you add in the bizarre reasoning that some other bloke, blessed with an entirely different body, who played in another league in another country and led a completely contrasting lifestyle, has managed to hang on in there until he was 40.
It's like someone saying, "It's ridiculous to suggest Rooney can't grow a full barnet back at his age. Why, that Francesco Totti had a wonderfully luxurious mane like Michael fucking Bolton when he was in his mid 30s".
If it's 'quite easy' to still be performing in the Premier League at the age of 36 why is Gareth McAuley the only outfield player to have done so this season?
35? Crouch, Delaney, Terry and O'Shea would be the only four born the same year as 'The Beastmaster' was assembling an army consisting of a couple of thieving ferrets, a 'panther' that was a Bengal tiger badly painted black, and an 'eagle' strapped to a helium balloon that kept having to say "I'm a HAWK!! I thought you were supposed to be telepathic, you twat?", to have still been dragging their aching bones around the pitch this season.
Three years to take him to 34? Well, Gareth Barry and Ibrahimovic are still going fairly strong I suppose, but stand them and Rooney in a straight line with the sun behind them and only one of the trio will be casting a shadow the absolute spit of Alfred Hitchcock.
Seriously, stretching a career in the top flight out past 33 isn't the piece of piss you seem to think it is, as evidenced by the relatively small number of players actually doing so. Particularly, if you discount those who happen to wear gloves.
You then go onto say he's the most prolific scorer Man Utd have ever had. Fact. Except he isn't. He might now be their record goalscorer, by virtue of having 13 years in the same shirt to amass his tally, but that's not really the same thing. Ruud van Nistlerooy (1.46 games per goal) would be the most prolific and others like Dennis Law and Dennis Viollet have also grabbed goals for them at a greater rate than Rooney (2.18 games per goal) has managed.
124 Posted 22/03/2017 at 21:45:59
125 Posted 22/03/2017 at 22:57:55
126 Posted 22/03/2017 at 23:23:55
All this comparison following your somewhat angry reply at me suggesting a comparison with the likes of Totti. I would however feel strongly that Totti would be most upset at your suggestions he was "hanging on in there".
sometimes you only see what you want to see.
In 453 matches for United Rooney has served up 101 assists. That's one per 4.5 games roughly. Fact.
Van Nistelrooy served up 14 assists which is one per 10.5 games. Fact.
I believe this more than makes up for a slightly lower goals-to-games ratio. As in addition to scoring he's also setting up others to score.
His all round play and contribution is far superior to most and yes, whilst I appreciate there aren't many still serving up the goods in there mid-30s. There are still some exceptions and he is/will be one of them.
Name me one other player that you can guarantee me will score 10+ goals for Everton from a deeper forward position. Because I can pretty much guarantee he would.
Now add that to Lukaku's probable tally.
Davies, Schneiderlin and Gueye behind Barkley, Rooney and Lukaku.
127 Posted 23/03/2017 at 00:25:03
If he comes, he'll certainly give 100% as no doubt the World Cup 2018 will be his No 1 aim. However, I just cannot see how this makes sense financially for Everton. If he signed a contract which was more pay-as-you-play or linked to some sort of performance, then I'd be okay. But possibly £150k a week?? Almost double our current highest earners?? Madness.
Never mind the obvious question of where he'd play and who's place he'd take. Highly doubt he's going to be sitting on our bench on £150k!
128 Posted 23/03/2017 at 01:16:25
Upside: Anfield dressing room before the derby. Some of our players nervous of what might happen, Rooney tells them "Nothing to be scared of; I've won here loads and we're gonna win here today." Confidence and desire spreads through the whole team. Can you put a price on that?
It's the experience, know-how and attitude that could be worth adding to the mix of what we have just now.
129 Posted 23/03/2017 at 01:19:55
There could surely be no other reason on earth for having a cheap dig at the Italian's wondrous, mid-noughties, 'Dr Quinn: Medicine Woman' inspired man mane. Nor for pointing out that someone telling people to look solely at "football facts" that, when trotted out, don't amount to anything more than a solitary accurate statement (of age), several baseless beliefs and an undercurrent of seemingly unshakeable faith in the fact Wayne must be packing a healing factor on par with the Wolverine, is about as specious as a bottle of salamander pish labelled 'eau de toillete'.
"sometimes you only see what you want to see."
I was going to say "Quite", seen as though I'm talking to the guy who believes it's a fact that Rooney has got another five years at 'the very top' in his locker and furthermore can 'guarantee' he will get more than 10 goals per season for Everton playing in a deep forward position (and that Lukaku is staying seemingly) but then I thought about a 32-36 year old Rooney rocking an Everton shirt in front of a mirror.
You might not wince at that funhouse reflection, but I reckon Wayne couldn't help but recognise he's a hell of a long way from being the player he was when he last turned out for an Everton team proper.
"I would however feel strongly that Totti would be most upset at your suggestions he was 'hanging on in there' "
Missed opportunity if ever there was one. You should have said it's a FACT he wouldn't give a fuck what I say.
130 Posted 23/03/2017 at 01:52:21
I'm all for it I'll admit I loved seeing him play in Duncan's testimonial and wanted him back right there & then.
Once a blue, always a blue anyone?
131 Posted 23/03/2017 at 03:49:46
132 Posted 23/03/2017 at 05:10:34
My intention was not to belittle or doubt commitment of support, just to highlight that increasing interest in Everton beyond the local market is trickier than drawing from the local community.
I lived for 5 years in Malaysia. Everton were known, but not widely followed. Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea were popular. The most recent bunch of champions. Liverpool too, and to a lesser extent Arsenal. Tottenham, who have been relatively successful in the league compared to us of late, barely registered.
TV hosts focussed mainly on the top five or six teams in general. So exposure of Everton was limited.
Factor in a lack of success since PL introduction (and world wide coverage boom), lack of a household name like Rooney, Ronaldo etc there is very little to draw in interest, beyond when we actually play one of the darlings.
Many supporters would shift who they followed if the team had a drop in form. Man City, a team who less than a decade ago had Darius Vassel as their leading scorer for the season are now well supported. They've won stuff and have big name players and manager.
Rooney is a name that most football fans around the world know well. He had 11 million twitter followers in 2015. The highest of any English player. When he plays at the World Cup, in Champions League and European championships he is widely covered by the media. If people saw him in an Everton shirt, it would pique interest and go some way to making more people aware of the club.
133 Posted 23/03/2017 at 06:06:27
And thus, I fully support his decisions, even though he won't always get them right.
134 Posted 23/03/2017 at 06:54:46
I'd happily gamble £5-10 million on a player like Rooney (with £50k wages). So if no transfer fee then seems doable.
135 Posted 23/03/2017 at 07:08:54
I'm sure the majority of posters on TW understand the players and the game better than I do but with Rom saying his reason for leaving is "We're not making big signings" I think this would show intent at the very least. As much potential as Rom has, no one could argue that he's not yet judged in the same way Rooney is.
I also think it's possible signing Rooney could help tempt Barkley to sign a new contract. Barkley would be a hell of a player with 50% of Rooney's vision, it wouldn't hurt having them train together regularly.
If we take the article as fact the first question to be answered is surely: Who else could we realistically sign for the same wages or less, that has a similar Premier League record, proven ability and marketing potential as Rooney?
Our squad has some amazing young talent. I feel it needs a couple of superstar players (of which Barkley and Rom are a year or two away from becoming if they do things right) to hold it all together. Maybe Rooney is one of them?
(I wouldn't mind seeing him score against the RS and Man Utd either!)
136 Posted 23/03/2017 at 09:36:23
If Wayne, who has a build that tends to bulk anyway, can lose 20 lbs and get fit he would be a great addition.
Don't judge him on what he has done this season. He has been used all over the pitch in previous seasons and the manager currently doesn't fancy him. The man needs to play regularly.
It is all about motivation. If he is motivated to come to the club he still buys shirts for his kids from, take a pay cut and lose weight we can only benefit.
137 Posted 23/03/2017 at 09:39:09
I see Rooney in that mould now, as an elder statesman, but with far greater footballing prowess than Neville as well as the undoubted marketing opportunity. If this signing happens, I think it will be for far more than what Rooney can do on the pitch.
138 Posted 23/03/2017 at 11:23:52
Personally I think if Rooney wants to come back he should play for free, or even pay us for the privilege of being part of Everton like the rest of us do. But of course that won't happen.
139 Posted 23/03/2017 at 11:26:57
I reckon he'd play himself into the ground for us for a few years.
140 Posted 23/03/2017 at 11:39:22
I hadn't realised that my little post would be under such severe scrutiny, but rest assured – the reason I typed Ross and not Barkley or Rooney and not Wayne was purely down to laziness on my behalf as I find Ross and Rooney easier to type than Wayne or Barkley.
Perhaps you are correct that I displayed unintentional bias as I would prefer Ross to stay at Goodison alongside Wayne rather than Barkley being replaced by Rooney – but, from a footballing perspective, I can't see how that would work.
141 Posted 23/03/2017 at 14:14:08
142 Posted 23/03/2017 at 23:32:09
143 Posted 24/03/2017 at 00:56:32
144 Posted 24/03/2017 at 07:14:26
I like the line-up proposed by Brian Wilkinson of Davies, Schneiderlin, Gueye, Rooney, Barkley and Lukaku. I reckon that team would have sufficient pace, tenacity and goals to trouble anyone.
However, given his recent statements, I wonder how Rom would see this. Would he see it as starting a retirement home for old Evertonians and say "That's it I'm definitely off now"? Or would he consider the thought of teaming him with Wayne, as a goal threat, a sign of the clubs ambition?
If it is the latter, and in conjunction with the stadium announcement, maybe he can be persuaded to sit on a transfer request for another 12 months to see where it takes us.
On the topic of ambition Pogba: £290k, Rooney £300k Ozil and Sanchez asking for £290k... and we offer the Premier League's leading goalscorer £140k...?
Come on, Bill get off that couch, shove your hand down the back of the sofa, and come up with a more realistic offer if you want Champions League next year.
Someone asked who would miss out if Rooney came back. The obvious answer in this line-up would be Mirallas.
145 Posted 24/03/2017 at 15:20:01
Talk of him replacing or forcing out Lukaku or Barkley is ridiculous. Those two are going in the summer get used to it, folks!
As to being too old, he'll be the same age as Gareth Barry was, when he came.
I always maintain you should sign players who have something to prove... and boy, will Rooney have stuff to prove!
I agree, that it has to be this summer; otherwise, it will be too late.
146 Posted 24/03/2017 at 15:26:55
147 Posted 24/03/2017 at 15:55:07
By the way, Barkley won't be going anywhere. You may get your wish if he arrives in the summer so I'll nail you down. How many goals will he score for Everton in the 2017-18 season and how many assists. Bear in mind he is a forward. Let us all know what your prediction is. I'd be interested.
148 Posted 25/03/2017 at 13:38:16
16 goals and 6 assists;
Rom on 24 and 3 assists;
Ross on 9 and 7 assists.
149 Posted 25/03/2017 at 13:47:42
The Koeman brothers will have a number of formations and combinations to play, so it is not a simple "Ross versus Roons"... Rooney can play that 10 back to the goal, false number 9, and between the lines that no other player I have seen in Premier League be able to play.
Given some clubs are parking the bus and, in transition, we have Rom running the channels, then there are some luscious combinations to be had with Wayne returning.
We need a bigger squad, we need to have cover for injuries and loss of form. It's a big Yes for me on a footballing basis.
150 Posted 27/03/2017 at 20:06:51
He's a world class player who would slot in behind Lukaku or who ever is the main striker next year. He would play alongside Barkley. What he is losing in pace is easily compensated by his dog-gifted nous. He could also cover the positions of both Barkley and/or Lukaku if needed.
This is a complete no-brainer. Sign him yesterday and let somebody else worry about his salary. He would be a perfect fit for the next 2 years.
151 Posted 27/03/2017 at 20:20:51
152 Posted 28/03/2017 at 10:29:01
It's hardly going to inspire Ron to stay.
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