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Rooney on course for Everton return

| Wednesday, 22 March 2017  152 Comments  [Jump to last]
In an "exclusive", The Independent's Miguel Delaney claims that according to sources, a deal to being Wayne Rooney back to Goodison Park is "likely to happen."

The report suggests that Manchester United may be prepared to waive a transfer fee for the 31-year-old, that despite Rooney having two years left on his current contract.

Delaney also says that the England international would be prepared to take a 50% cut in his astronomical Old Trafford wages to make the deal happen.

Everton were rumoured to have had a loan bid for their academy graduate knocked back by Jose Mourinho in January but speculation has persisted since that Rooney's days with United are over now that he has broken their all-time goalscoring record.



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Paul Bromley
1 Posted 22/03/2017 at 06:03:58
Only if we are to use him as a back up for if/when Lukaku leaves. In my philosophy of upgrades he is at least better than Kone but no more. Otherwise why not put a bid in for Leeds Chris Wood?
Gary Russell
2 Posted 22/03/2017 at 06:20:21
Hi Lyndon, have I missed a poll to Rooney's return? If not, curious what the outcome would be.

Worth a purported 100 million or so Euros, he is set for life. Wonder what Evertonians would be prepared to pay him IF he rejoined. Personally, it's a big no from me, unless he accepted a paltry 50 grand a week and even then I wouldn't be happy.

Marcus Reynolds
3 Posted 22/03/2017 at 06:23:29
In my opinion, you just don't become a shite player overnight. Rooney at 31 can't be over the hill. Coming back to Everton and taking a 50% pay cut when he had big money on the table from China etc shows his desire to play football, albeit with his childhood club.

The boost this would bring to the club, the air of confidence it would bring to the younger players, and some of the older generation, would be immense. Let's get it done.

Ed Fitzgerald
4 Posted 22/03/2017 at 06:29:39
If we pay £150k Roney a week it's a act of madness on behalf of the club IMO. I would rather offer Lukaku and Barkely £200k a week each than pay that for Rooney... It would make financial and football sense and more Importantly would send a message out to the predators who are trying to pick off our players in their prime.
Kunal Desai
5 Posted 22/03/2017 at 06:43:15
If he is coming back as a replacement for Valencia or Kone then yes but if he is to come back as Lukaku's replacement then I despair. He should be no more than a squad player.
Jeff Spiers
6 Posted 22/03/2017 at 06:45:48
Gary (#2), Rooney is already well set for life.
Charlie Lloyd
7 Posted 22/03/2017 at 07:02:41
You really have to wonder where he'd fit in to the team presently.

As a replacement to Lukaku no. For me he may offer something in some games but not for every game. More likely to be in the Barry position.

I'd be very cautious of the wages he'd command and would ask the question is it all worth it?

Yes he may work commercially due to his world wide stature but lets not forget that first and foremost he's a player and we need to bring him back for solid reasons on that basis.

Liam Reilly
8 Posted 22/03/2017 at 07:27:37
Highest paid player at the club, and would want guaranteed starts.

I don't see the rest of the top six in the mix for a player with declining powers and neither should we be.

Still, it's Koeman's project, so well see .

Keith Conchie
9 Posted 22/03/2017 at 07:28:09
No thanks.

Rooney is past it. If he's not good enough for Man Utd then he's not good enough for EFC. He isn't a striker anymore, so would have to go into the midfield. Who's he going to replace there?

What message would it send out to our younger players? Go to another club if they offer you more money, and if it doesn't work out for you, or even if it does but one day they decide you're finished with, then come back to Everton, we'll always keep the door open for you.

What a load of Shite. We're meant to be moving forwards, not backwards.

Denver Daniels
10 Posted 22/03/2017 at 07:46:12
No thanks. Cavani will be into the last year of his contract at the end of this season. I'd rather we went for him.
Colin Glassar
11 Posted 22/03/2017 at 07:49:26
Rooney will raise our worldwide profile even though the "experts" on MotD will still say he should've gone to a bigger club, eg WHU.
Trevor Peers
12 Posted 22/03/2017 at 07:58:42
Burnt out wreck of a player as Rio Ferdinand described him; 2 years ago maybe he had something left in the tank but not now.

I'd put this on a par with the David Ginola and Gazza signings, hopefully it never happens.

John Crawley
13 Posted 22/03/2017 at 08:06:03
Big no from me, past his best and really just an upgraded version of the signings we used to make under Walter Smith, old players going downhill. Rather see some of the younger players like Dowell given a chance.
Steve Foster
14 Posted 22/03/2017 at 08:21:14
Double edged sword for me. Although he is old, still one of the biggest names in World Football, still.

He would raise the profile, maybe help in attracting players. But worried he would get in the way of developing the younger players.

He is not a No 9 anymore, maybe just behind or an impact sub - but for the type of coin he would command is it worth getting someone whom would get in the way of the development of Ross, or someone whom comes off the bench for the last 20.

But all this aside, if Koeman wants him, he strikes me as someone whom wants a particular player for a particular job (like Conte at Chelsea), so he is the gaffer.

I think for this one, I am going to sit on the fence .

Craig Walker
15 Posted 22/03/2017 at 08:45:17
He looked pretty useful in the semi-final against us and in the game against them at Goodison last season.
Mike Berry
16 Posted 22/03/2017 at 08:47:16
Somebody mentioned to be used as a "back up" now that would get my back up with paying him top wages and for a bed blocker!

Yes he could still offer us something but for how long? The benefits of course would be the PR exercise and this would reverberate around world football.

Bill Griffiths
17 Posted 22/03/2017 at 09:04:51
I'm on the fence with you Steve (#11).

My initial thoughts are the same as most of those against this. However. Koeman and Walsh both seem to think he can do a job and add something to the squad so I guess we have to trust their judgement if this does come about.

Ian Jones
18 Posted 22/03/2017 at 09:23:55
Just putting aside all the obvious pros and cons that people have mentioned, the club needs winners. He is one of those.

I would say yes to having him. I am all for bringing youngsters in but I think his experience and presence at the club could motivate the young players and could be helpful to their overall development.

Sam Hoare
19 Posted 22/03/2017 at 09:32:16
Would possibly add more off the pitch than on the pitch in terms of raising the clubs profile and hopefully being a good example to the kids. That said, if he's not starting every week then how long before a man with a known history of vices starts letting a few of those demons take hold...

If he was going to be on a similar wage to say Gareth Barry, a true pro, then that's fine by me.

But for £150k a week we could get a top class player and i'm not sure Rooney has been that for a few seasons now.

This reeks of Kenwright to me who obviously loves the theatrical and I'd worry that this would be a move instigated by him whispering in Moshiri's ear rather than Koeman's appraisal of what we need on the pitch given his desire for fit, run-all-day athletic types to play his pressing game.

Matt Traynor
20 Posted 22/03/2017 at 09:38:14
Sentimentality over rationality. Colossal waste of limited money under FFP.

People talking about commercial profile when it's one area we've neglected for years. As long as Kim Jong Bill is involved, mark this one down as a cert.

John Pickles
21 Posted 22/03/2017 at 09:41:25
Gascoigne, Ginola, Eto'o, Rooney.
Chris Keightley
22 Posted 22/03/2017 at 09:45:28
He would be the spark we need to push on, regardless of whether all and sundry think his legs are shot. He would put that shirt on, puff out his chest, and find another 10%. It would be great if this comes off, IMHO.
Clive Mitchell
23 Posted 22/03/2017 at 09:50:04
The idea that we would pay Rooney a salary above what we're (reportedly) quibbling about in relation to Ross Barkley is ridiculous. Clearest possible sign that nothing has changed.
Brian Williams
24 Posted 22/03/2017 at 09:52:26
Lads, you don't even know if it's true or just more media bullshit... chill!!!
Steven Jones
25 Posted 22/03/2017 at 09:53:52
Watching him play recently, he is still head and shoulders above the players he is with. His vision, reading, control and passing are amazing still – the system and set up does not take advantage of this. He remains the best at playing between the lines and his touch and skill are unmatched.

His passion for EFC, his will to win and the know how and confidence he would bring to the team would be worth the top dollar.

Like Andy Gray became a catalyst, Wayne could do a great job in the dressing room and on the training pitch with the young players, building their belief. He would also be a draw to attracting other top players, the media would lap it up "Blue coming Home" and the world wide audience would benefit a higher profile for EFC.

He is a blue and he will feel he has unfinished business. His free kicks and his movement would be a joy to watch. I could go on but a couple of things I have noticed over the last few years.

One – He never celebrates his goals with the Man Utd fans – his motivation there has fallen along with his relationship with his manager.

Lastly, this fitness thing – I believe when he comes back he will be highly motivated to get in shape and the relative rest he has had over the last year is a prelude to writing more legacy for himself and his family in a blue shirt. I am dreaming of a run from half-way with Rom and Ross going either way and a thunderbolt in front of The Street!

Even if you feel it is a bit of a gamble, all of the above and the joy of my son and other kids would make this a no-brainer.

Bring back that Blue!

Jeff Armstrong
26 Posted 22/03/2017 at 09:56:52
Could ToffeeWeb run a poll please. It would be interesting what our fanbase think. It does smell of Kenwright, and I believe Moshiri probably does take notice of a fan site endorsed by Doctor France, he wouldn't be doing his job if he or his advisors ignored a site like this.
Scott Hamilton
27 Posted 22/03/2017 at 09:58:12
His sheer footballing ability and the influence that he could have on the dressing room are huge positives. The fact that he's openly maintained his love for the blues throughout his career – unlike Owen, Fowler, Carragher, McManaman, Gerrard et al – swings it for me.

Sign him up.

Tony Abrahams
28 Posted 22/03/2017 at 09:59:41
Matt, I really dislike Bill Kenwright, but surely this would be down to Koeman?

Double edged sword indeed. If he's got anything left in the tank, then I'm sure he will be a success, but it's a big "if" the way he's played the last couple of seasons. I'm sure this move will re-light his fire, but as Bellow, just proved against Haye, it's all about fitness now?

Oscar Huglin
29 Posted 22/03/2017 at 10:00:14
Would be an excellent signing, a real coup. No question in my mind.
David Ellis
30 Posted 22/03/2017 at 10:08:18
He would fit in nicely in the position currenty being fought over by Mirallas, Lookman and Calvert Lewin. I think he's better than any of them at the moment. So he would improve the first team.

He would be on a free transfer. Wages would be high... but he'd raise the profile of the club and sell a lot of stuff for us, so I can see it being worth it.

He's not that old! But to be honest I haven't seen him play enough recently to get a feel about how much he had declined. I still think he has a couple of season in him – as did Gareth Barry when he joined us. The guy has pedigree and has won a lot of stuff. It's useful to have in the dressing room, and underneath it all he's a born blue.

Sam Barrett
31 Posted 22/03/2017 at 10:08:48
I don't want that Manc anywhere near our club.
Joe O'Brien
32 Posted 22/03/2017 at 10:14:56
I'll have to join the others on the fence..image wise it would be great for us no doubt. Even on the field he might still have something to offer. I think his heart wasn't in Man Utd for the last 2 seasons, a bit homesick maybe? This move could rejuvenate him, we could get two good years from him. He'd be great for the young players coming through.

Now for the cons. He could be washed up and hamper the progress for the up and coming strikers..like if he's in the match day squad does he get brought on instead of Calvert-Lewin?

Koeman and Walsh seem very keen so I'm putting my trust in them. Looks like we'll have the Europa League next year at least so we'll need a big squad to compete in everything. On the fence but leaning towards the pro side. It's a tough call.

Jon Withey
33 Posted 22/03/2017 at 10:21:38
Could be.a Barry like signing and well worth it - but don't break the bank.
Ian Jones
34 Posted 22/03/2017 at 10:24:45
Jason. I see your point about not being good enough for Man Utd so why is he okay for us.

Perhaps we should be looking at it the other way round. Might take a few years but players will come to us because we are a better club.

Tony Waring
35 Posted 22/03/2017 at 10:50:39
Yes, he's getting on but he was born a "blue" and he still knows where the net is. In addition he is one of the best passers of a ball in the premiership. I don't know about him not being good enough for Man Utd, rather a case of Man Utd not being good enough for him! If he's on a free and he takes a big wage cut – as reported – I think we should welcome him back.
Lenny Kingman
36 Posted 22/03/2017 at 10:52:13
According to the Mirror he's off to China next week!
Micky Norman
37 Posted 22/03/2017 at 11:01:26
If, and it's a big 'if', this is true then it's a no-brainer. But not a silly long contract. He'd be costing us £15m over 2 years in wages and transfer, for which you'd get a player of the like of Cleverley.

If he's not up to it he won't get in the team ahead of the youngsters, who should be targetting his place anyway. If he doesn't cut the mustard, flog him to China. If he comes back fit and highly motivated then it's a masterstroke. And wasn't Schneiderlin a Manc reject?

Martin Nicholls
38 Posted 22/03/2017 at 11:03:46
He didn't want to play for us 13 years ago – I don't want him to play for us now, particularly for the ridiculous wage (£150k pw) being speculated on.
Roberto Birquet
39 Posted 22/03/2017 at 11:14:17
Comments such as "only if he's a back-up player" would suggest that paying him half of a quarter million per week would be madness. I'd concur.
Roberto Birquet
40 Posted 22/03/2017 at 11:20:50
Mickey Norman,

Cleverley will have cost us about £4-5 million over two years. We look like we're gonna get his fee back.

There a lot of nonsense comments that it is Man Utd that are not good enough for him. Get a grip! If Man Utd wanted him, he'd be staying.

If we lose Lukaku this summer, we need to use the money to bring in two strikers and probably money left over for a centre back. That would probably include a big fat transfer fee on one striker. I would not be chuffed to see much of it go on fast depreciating player.

James Marshall
41 Posted 22/03/2017 at 11:21:21
To everyone complaining about this, I would wager Rooney won't play as an out & out striker so any talk of him replacing Lukaku or Valencia are wide of the mark.

Rooney has played much deeper in recent years, hence why his goals dropped off since he wasn't playing up top any more.

As for his wages being high - look at the rewards. Rooney isn't just a footballer, he's a marketing opportunity. One of the biggest names in world football coming home to his boyhood club is great for business, regardless of what you think about things that happened 13 years ago or whatever it was.

Football is business, and Rooney leaving at 18 was nothing but business - I wish people would leave it at that in 2017.

The exposure this would give to EFC, not to mention the revenue cannot be underestimated. Rooney also still has a massive amount to offer as a footballer, and a mentor to other players. He brings a winning mentality, has been a top player at a top club all his career, and is a blue.

I don't see any single downside to this happening. Bring the boy home.

Brian Harrison
42 Posted 22/03/2017 at 11:23:48
I know that opinions on Rooney returning has as many for as against the possible move. But Koeman spoke about this possible move weeks ago, and again spoke about it again when Sky were at Finch Farm all day.

Steve Walsh also talked about the possibility of Rooney returning. So this wasn't Rooney looking for the move – this was our manager and director of football talking about a player who still has 18 months left on his contract with another club.

Now the one thing we know about Koeman – there will be absolutely no sentimentality in his decision. He and Walsh will make their decisions as hard nosed professionals. So if they think it's the right thing for Everton, you have to back their decision.

Richard Reeves
43 Posted 22/03/2017 at 11:24:08
I can't believe people talk about him raising our profile. Winning games with better players will do that, not bringing back a player who's past it just to get some media exposure for a week or two.

Younger players who the other big clubs want are who we should be going for. This is one step back if it happens and disappointing when we look like we're going in the right direction.

Ian Horan
44 Posted 22/03/2017 at 11:26:54
Interesting views on Rooney? Some very blinkered and disrespectful comments.

I would view this based on a number of issues. He was virtually pushed through the door by Kenwright to Man Utd to keep the banks at bay. Rooney's football brain is light-years ahead of any TW reader's and 99% of the current squad. Rooney doesn't turn around in circles then make a 5 yard pass, as our current darling Ross does.

Rooney still strikes fear into the opposition also he has continued scoring against the RS for 13 years. The commercial side looks after itself. By the way, it's a Yes from me!!!!

Martin Nicholls
45 Posted 22/03/2017 at 11:28:27
Would those who talk of re-signing Rooney being "a marketing opportunity" care to expand on this, bearing in mind the deal we are tied into with Kitbag? Even if we were not constrained by such a deal, my guess would be that any new EFC shirts bearing the name Rooney in the Far East will be fakes rather than official merchandise and will not therefore benefit us.
Chris Williams
46 Posted 22/03/2017 at 11:31:33
All good for me. Rooney is a global name with pulling power, pulling power that may attract very talented young players whom he may have been an idol of when they were at school.

This is a short term measure but necessary in my opinion as it continues to make people stand up and take notice, continually improving our global name.

Playing wise, I don't agree with the salary that's being reported (Far far too much) and as for playing ability, he's not going to start every game . but can you imagine the boost it will give the other players when he comes on as a sub for instance? Crowd chanting 'Rooney, Rooney'??! That can only be good.

His influence will also be fantastic for our youngsters, they'll be over the moon taking advice from an England captain!

I for one have moved on from when he left, I'm looking forward now, the revolution continues

Dave Wilson
47 Posted 22/03/2017 at 11:34:10
This ship sailed years ago.
Shane Corcoran
48 Posted 22/03/2017 at 11:44:36
I'm not following how exactly he'd be great from a marketing point of view.

He's on the bench for United. It's been three years since he was a top player and does he get a run with England?

I suggest that Everton is, and on the way to being, a much wealthier and high profile club than it was a few years back.

I don't see how Rooney coming back would improve the club off the field to any large degree.

I also don't want him back for every other conceivable reason and that includes him leaving his beloved club at 18 years of age.

James Marshall
49 Posted 22/03/2017 at 11:52:09
Rooney is worth something in the region of £80m personally - this is not just from wages, it's from endorsements by massive companies like Nike and Samsung – he's plastered all over the world in advertising, and if he becomes an Everton player, we will gain that exposure and recognition off the back of Wayne Rooney.

Essentially this is free advertising for Everton, and put's us in the minds of players, fans and people from all over the world – don't underestimate the power of advertising. Everton is a small-player in that sense and having Rooney onboard puts us into the limelight.

That's great marketing, along with us being back in Europe and would give us even more pulling power for new players. We all want Everton to progress, and Rooney playing for us is another step towards becoming a force again.

Don Alexander
50 Posted 22/03/2017 at 11:56:01
Rooney's physical appearance more than suggests he's past it as a CL player. Simply put, he's podgy and slow. As for commercial opportunities, hmmmm. With Pizza Hut perhaps?
Mike Gwyer
51 Posted 22/03/2017 at 12:21:52
Great stuff, bring him home and I can guarantee you that he will get a hero's welcome for his first home game at Goodison.

I can't be arsed arguing as to what Rooney is still capable of doing on the pitch, but with his passion and undoubted ability I'm sure he will still be a success. If we are honest, players salaries really have fuck-all to do with us, so I'm in no position to moan about how much money Everton Football Club decide to pay a player.

I would also say it's a cert that Lukaku is going, probably a dead cert in fact, but I feel that Rooney will definitely work on trying to persuade Barkley into staying put. Everton is on the rise, sell-outs for most games this season, a ground move and players like Schneiderlin arriving.

For me, if your only argument is how much money Rooney will earn then you need to look at what it would mean to Everton Football Club; bringing a player of his quality back home. He's only 31 and we have no idea about his fitness because we are not in the loop, but rest assured Rooney wants to come to Goodison.

Paul Burns
52 Posted 22/03/2017 at 12:28:28
Sell them when they're young and brilliant and get them back when they're old and finished. What a club transfer policy.

Embarrassing.

Dave Older
53 Posted 22/03/2017 at 12:35:54
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Charles Barrow
54 Posted 22/03/2017 at 12:44:13
Exactly right Paul Burns! If he comes back for nothing and is willing to be an 'impact sub' for an average Premier League salary... okay; otherwise, very short-sighted policy.
George Cumiskey
55 Posted 22/03/2017 at 12:45:42
Rooney still has a lot to offer in footballing terms in my opinion, but he's not getting in the Man Utd team because he's always injured. That is the biggest concern if we signed him – not his wages.
Liam Reilly
56 Posted 22/03/2017 at 12:50:35
Mike (#42)

"I feel that Rooney will definitely work on trying to persuade Barkley into staying put."

Not if he hooks him up with his dirtbag agent he won't!

If anything, it'll probably be the other way around and many of our young talents will be off to United or other pastures, to one day return to play for 'Plucky' Everton and get a hero's reception.

Just No.

Tony J Williams
57 Posted 22/03/2017 at 12:57:23
Lukaku is off this summer, big time charlie with an even bigger gob.

I personally cannot see the harm in bringing in Rooney; he is still going to be better than what we currently have on our books in the attacking midfield position, by a long way. He will not be the only signing we make in summer.

If he drops his wages by 50%, yes it's still a ridiculous amount but he is clearly coming back for footballing reasons, as he could sit on his arse for 2 more years at Man Utd for double the money, or perhaps even triple if he flies out to China.

People saying that he isn't good enough for Man Utd so we shouldn't take him. How many minutes had Sneiderlin played under Maureen? The same man who thought Lukaku wouldn't make it either. The same man who binned Mata.

It's pointless losing sleep and raising your blood pressure over this, if it's going to happen it will and no amount of key bashing will make any bit of difference Get your Royal Blue shirt back on lad and show the world you're not a spent force for a season or two.

Anthony Hawkins
58 Posted 22/03/2017 at 13:00:09
This is all kinds of wrong.

Is the player over 31? [check]
Are his legs going or gone? [check]
Everton will only get one season out of the player [check]

This move wouldn't even be on the cards if Rooney wasn't a boyhood Evertonian. I can only imagine it's out of sympathy and enables him to get his coaching badges.

Playing the game, if he was to arrive, who would he displace? I doubt it would be Barkley on his current form. He's not a striker so not Lukaku.

I can not see any on-field benefit on having Rooney back.

Brian Harrison
59 Posted 22/03/2017 at 13:02:46
Well, if it's get Rooney for no fee or sign Sigurdsson for £25 million, then a no-brainer – Rooney all day long.
Mike Berry
60 Posted 22/03/2017 at 13:06:23
I have just come up with a cunning plan buy him for nowt on a 3 year deal, flog to China for mega yen after 12 months.

I am definitely in the wrong profession.

Anthony Hawkins
61 Posted 22/03/2017 at 13:06:40
@ James Marshall #40. The level of media hype surrounding Rooney will fall when he comes to Everton. Why? Because he's no longer on the up, not in the perceived top 4, not in the Champions League and he's barely in the England squad.

I would be surprised to see Rooney gracing the cover of FIFA 2018, for example.

James Owen
62 Posted 22/03/2017 at 13:08:00
I suppose they think if they give us a deal on Rooney, then they'll be entitled to get Lukaku cheaper.

We're being totally played here by United and Mourinho.

No other team in top 6 wud want Rooney so we shouldn't take him for sentimental reasons? It's a nice end to his career but pointless and counterproductive for Everton.

It would be like Klopp and the RS putting Jan Molby back in the team. Lol

James Marshall
63 Posted 22/03/2017 at 13:11:45
OK well I disagree on all points and don't see a downside to it. I never understand where people get the line, "his legs have gone" from.

He's not the player he was, but he'll play deeper and is still a class act. Utd bought Schweinsteiger, and Zlatan, Sheringham etc etc when they were all in their 30's.

It's not the 1970's anymore, players are fitter later in life and have longer careers.

Kevin Tully
64 Posted 22/03/2017 at 13:19:24
I can't remember the last time I saw Rooney actually beat a man? His pace has left him along with full fitness. Injuries are now becoming a concern with a player who needs to be 100% to see the best of him. There is also the thought of 'looking backwards' with a signing like this.

On the plus side, he's certainly a 'winner' and a leader. He can be a good influence in the dressing room for younger players. He's got 2 years left on his contract, so it does concern me that Utd would let him go for free. What do they know? Surely if he's good enough, they would be demanding £10-15m regardless of the wage he is on? I think the move would give the player a renewed hunger, but for how long?

Regarding the shirt sales etc..we receive a fixed income for all merchandising.

Oscar Huglin
65 Posted 22/03/2017 at 13:21:32
Matt #17 - "Colossal waste of limited money under FFP."

*Meanwhile, in the report*
"Manchester United may be prepared to waive a transfer fee for the 31-year-old, that despite Rooney having two years left on his current contract."

Me - "What's 9 plus 10?"

Matt #17 - "21"

Jim Knightley
66 Posted 22/03/2017 at 13:28:19
Rooney is still a very good player but he is not a great player. I also don't see how he fits in with Koeman's pacey strategy.

As I see it, we need one pivotal player: someone who can assist, and dictate the tempo. Ross has got better at that, but he is not primarily a playmaker.

Rooney can assist, but he is not a true playmaker either, and I think both Ross and Rooney share a similar trait: they slow things down. In a different Everton the return of Rooney might work, but does he fit into this team? I'm not convinced.

We should spend our money on a playmaker, back up striker (younger than Rooney and willing to set on the bench at times), a centre-back, a goalkeeper, and a left-back. I don't see where Rooney fits in, even if his quality would be a boost. We need a Mata, not a Rooney.

Jim Burns
67 Posted 22/03/2017 at 13:28:26
Paul @50 – its not the club's transfer policy – it's just the way this panned out or may pan out. It's still just speculation.
Ste Traverse
68 Posted 22/03/2017 at 13:41:30
Hope not.

He's past it and will only decline further from here.

Rooney is willing to take a 50% pay cut? That would still make him our highest paid player. Don't pay money to a yesterdays man in him, pay it to tomorrows men like Barkley and Rom.

Stephen Scofield
69 Posted 22/03/2017 at 13:47:52
Would be made up if this happens. He's still one of the fastest players in the league. You couldn't say that about Barry when he joined. I cannot see a downside to Rooney coming back. It's not like he's 35. He still has plenty to offer.
Dennis Heaton
70 Posted 22/03/2017 at 13:52:07
Dave Wilson, the ship sailed years ago? Well let's get the ship back in the dock by the new ground. He would play his heart out for this club. Big yes from me.
Brian Wilkinson
71 Posted 22/03/2017 at 13:59:47
I cannot believe Schniederlin is getting a game at Everton, after all he was not good enough for Man Utd, so looks like we will not be signing Keane in the Summer, he too was not good enough for Man Utd.
Tony Cunningham
72 Posted 22/03/2017 at 14:04:38
James Marshall (#63), the downside is that the money we pay for his wages means we can't pay someone else and that's Lukaku style pay. Instead of Rooney on £150k, I'd rather keep Rom and pay him £300k a week... or £250k and keep the change!

Thanks to FFP there is a limit on how much our wages and spend can go up each year so money on Rooney is less money elsewhere... but then again I would love to see that t-shirt once more as he scores a last minute winner at Anfield!

Chris Gould
73 Posted 22/03/2017 at 14:25:38
I am, unashamedly, such a big fan of Koeman, that if he wants him, then I want him.
Graeme Hodgkinson
74 Posted 22/03/2017 at 14:26:52
In the last year, we've got rid of

Howard, 38?
Hibbert, 35?
Osman, 35?
Pienaar, 34?

Kone, 33, will be gone in the summer.

Barry, 35 and Jags, 34, will likely go too.

So, I don't think the age is a factor. Our average age would still have reduced considerably year on year if we bring him in. And he is arguably more talented than any of the above, bar Hibbo.

For me a bigger factor is cost, and impact on Barkley.

If we can get him for less than £10M, its a good deal. And on wages less than £80k on a two yr contract, I'd be pretty happy generally.

The final caveat is, I can't see him and Barkley in the same team. or certainly not, him Barkley and Davies.

Its a no from me, but not because of his age...


I'd still love if he came back though... Let Koeman sort out the logistics!

Brian Wilkinson
75 Posted 22/03/2017 at 14:30:52
The £150k a week in regards to wage bill will be evened out a little, with the outgoing wages of Cleverley, Niasse and McGeady, Rooney is a risk worth taking, I do not even think it's a risk, he still has it.

In regards to Gazza, he got a serious knee injury, he also let the juice get the better of him, so in regards to Gazza, very unfair comparison to Rooney.

I recall we got simular comments when we signed Richard Gough and Tim Howard and even Nigel Martyn, all three did a great job at Everton.

Alan Harper and Kevin Sheedy, Peter Reid, Andy Gray, all of those were not good enough to get into their club team or the latter's after one final pay day.

He may not be as quick now but he's no slow coach and has one hell of a football brain, also a never-give-up attitude and a will to win, let's face it we do not have many vocal leaders on the pitch.

I would rather a player like Rooney bollock a player who over hits a pass that ends up 30 yards astray, than a player put his thumb up who had no chance on getting to the wasted pass...

Jim Harrison
76 Posted 22/03/2017 at 14:41:37
Funny thing is, although he is apparently well past it, a wreck someone put, he is still in and around the first team of the team we are currently trying to overtake in the league.

Contrast this to our situation. Valencia is proving to be handy, but hardly inspiring, then we have Kone and... well, isn't that about it?

He isn't the player he was. But could be very useful still. If he is on a free, then his wages would be acceptable over a short period, say 2 years, when set against raising the profile of the club globally.

Brian Furey
77 Posted 22/03/2017 at 14:47:19
Rooney scored 15 goals last season in all competitions (41 games) plus two for England.

I think the problem for him (and for a few other Man Utd players) is Mr Mourinho. I think Mourinho has told the board that he doesn't see Wayne in his plans and so paying him £300K a week is a costly expense for a man not playing.

I think Rooney knows he still has plenty to offer and he has made his fortune now so he can take a huge pay cut to go back to his home team and show his own kids what it's like to be an Everton fan. No doubt his wife doesn't want to move to China or even the US. They can probably stay in their same house and be happy whilst daddy get's to live his dream again.

For me, Koeman and Walsh know what they're talking about and whilst he's not the player he was 10 years ago, they still know he has a lot to offer a team who need experience to blend in with the young team they are building.

The young players there would love having a player of Rooney's stature to learn from. He's got the hunger and drive to pass on and I'd say Koeman knows that more than anyone.

Thomas Lennon
78 Posted 22/03/2017 at 15:24:16
He certainly could stay in his present home, he lives a couple of miles from Koeman's place.
Jim Harrison
79 Posted 22/03/2017 at 15:28:56
Also, with Jags likely to be gone, Barry being used sparingly and a group of very young players in the first team squad his experience could be as important as his playing ability.
Steavey Buckley
80 Posted 22/03/2017 at 15:36:43
Everton's game plan is about moving the ball from defence to attack as quick as possible. I don't see where Rooney would fit in with that style of football. In November Rooney will be 32 years of age, and what pace he did have has long deserted him.
Brian Wilkinson
81 Posted 22/03/2017 at 15:37:25
Add to that, if Lukaku stays and we bring Rooney in, having tho two players in the team is certainly going to help in Summer transfer targets, it could tip the scales in our favour of landing our targets.
Jim Hardin
82 Posted 22/03/2017 at 15:38:56
Sorry but no, unless he is playing for £35,000 a week. He has declined over the last three seasons. He is not Zlatan regarding how he looks after himself physically so one can expect the drop off of form to be steep instead of a gradual slope.

If he is better than the players we have currently, that is an indictment of the club. The fact some on here want him back at even half his current wages is an indictment of the fans, showing a willingness to settle for cast-offs and has-beens.

I thought we were done being a final stop for a big paycheck for past it players, or did I just imagine that sentiment expressed on here over the last two seasons?

I want the club to stop shopping thrift stores and consignment shops and to step up and target players with proven upsides and medals to mix in with our "potentially" good players (Davies, Lookman, Holgate among others).

Go get younger players and pay the going rate or more for them (Pulisic, Dembele, Isak, or Mor from Dortmund or any other 19-to 27 year old player from Champions Leaague teams).

Rooney is not the boost for the club profile that is needed. It would be same old Everton who in the last several seasons bought Barry, Mis-Stek, Eto'o, and now Rooney, when all are past their better days. (Yes, I included Barry, if you look at his games when he was 25-31 years old versus what he has been for Everton.)

It would only help cement Everton as a second-tier club, unable to scout world class players and sign them and instead, content with walking around the trees picking up the fallen apples instead of climbing up and picking the prize ones.

Rooney would not likely boost the image or marketing over here in the USA and possibly all of North and South America. He is just not that popular, except maybe with ex-pats. Neymar, Pulisic, Coutinho, Zlatan, Sanchez, Rodriquez, or Chicharito to Everton would cause more of a boost on this side of the world. Rooney cannot even be considered a lock to make the squad for what must be considered as a middling national team. How is he going to pull in the new fans and merch money, other than English fans buying his new Everton kit?

Brian Wilkinson
83 Posted 22/03/2017 at 15:42:46
Staevey@79, I hate to use our neighbours but what pace did Jan Molby have, Peter Reid was no whippet but we didn't do to badly in the eighties.

Come to that what pace did Darren Gibson have, not a lot but he could play a first time pass with their defence on the Blackfoot.

A couple of seasons ago every man and his dog would have given anything for a fully fit Gibson in the team, he's nowhere near the class of Rooney.

Sur Jo
84 Posted 22/03/2017 at 15:44:54
Keep the Judas away. I don't freaking care how good he is. He walked out of Everton during his prime and that's it. Stay away. Don't mess with Everton.
Brian Wilkinson
85 Posted 22/03/2017 at 15:47:33
Looking for a player with medals Jim, is that tongue in cheek, be hard pushed to find an English player with as many medals as Rooney, with as many English caps, goals etc and still only 31.

Hardly a player ready for the Derby and Joan club just yet.

Sur Jo
86 Posted 22/03/2017 at 15:51:56
My club is no pension pot nor retirement home. And, we are no Second Best.
Sur Jo
87 Posted 22/03/2017 at 16:00:39
Global appeal? Marketing guru? Excuse Me.... Evertonians are not bought by marketing and PR.

You really want to show the world what Everton means? Then go for Big Dunc.

Grant Rorrison
88 Posted 22/03/2017 at 16:01:00
Wasn't initially keen but, if the wages aren't too, too, high and the transfer is a free, I don't think I'd mind that much.

He would bring a winning mentality to the club.

Darryl Ritchie
89 Posted 22/03/2017 at 16:10:41
It's not up to the pundits or ToffeeWebers; in the end it's Koeman's call. He is on record with his admiration of the player, but just where Rooney would fit in is up in the air.

As for Rooney not getting any playing time at Man Utd; that's their current manager's call. Rooney's not "old"; he's out of favour. If he did make a return to Goodison, I think you would see a fitter, committed Rooney, desperate to make a difference.

So a "Yes" from me.

Steavey Buckley
90 Posted 22/03/2017 at 16:18:41
Brian, in Everton's strongest team this season, which Everton player would Rooney replace?
Matthew Williams
91 Posted 22/03/2017 at 16:18:55
Paul (#1), I've said it before... Wood, Josh King and Gray from Leicester in a front 3 would excite and score us goals.

But some on Twitter won't have it. No doubt it'll be the same on here... pity.
James Flynn
92 Posted 22/03/2017 at 16:19:55
I've been on the fence and both sides of it. So I'll pick one and stay with it.

Bring him back. He still has something to offer; on the pitch and in the locker room.

We, or so many of us, think we're just that bit away from jumping into the Champions League fray. In a major transition season, we're not off it yet.

What we don't have, and for sure we don't, is a talented veteran whose been thru all the battles for silverware; for Wayne, year-in and year-out over a decade. We need to attach value to that beyond finance.


Brian Wilkinson
93 Posted 22/03/2017 at 16:29:15
He would fit in the team either alongside or just behind Lukaku.

Midfield would be Gana, Schneiderlin, Davies and Barkley, with Rooney and Lukaku pushed further up, or you could play either of the midfielders further up and drop Rooney back.

Looks decent enough for me, so whoever I have missed out, Steavey, that's who he would replace, using Lookman as an impact player from the bench.

Colin Grierson
94 Posted 22/03/2017 at 16:30:17
Rooney is STILL a top quality player. At a reduced wage and as an addition to the squad, I'd be more than happy to welcome him back. He has a lot to prove and a lot to offer. Those who have written him off IMHO are a bit previous.
Jim Harrison
95 Posted 22/03/2017 at 16:33:53
Sur Jo. Sorry mate, Evertonians who live in Liverpool may not be bought. But those who live in China, Thailand or the States have no natural affiliation to our club. They are looking for a team to support. The ones who win or have famous players get their support.
Brian Wilkinson
96 Posted 22/03/2017 at 16:34:42
Look at any decent team and one thing they all had was a leader on the pitch. Name one current Everton player you could say he's a leader? He motivates the players, I cannot think of any current Everton player who fits that role.

One thing you can say about Rooney: he's a winner. He's vocal and, for the short time we might have him, he will toughen up the team we have. No-brainier for me, worth the punt.

Patrick Murphy
97 Posted 22/03/2017 at 16:37:52
I'm probably on my own on this but, IF Ross doesn't sign a new deal I think that Rooney is nailed on to rejoin Everton; however, if Ross does sign a new contract there will be no place for Rooney as a first-team player, save injuries and suspensions.

Rooney needs to be in the starting eleven at some club or other in order to prolong his England career and therefore, if he takes a pay-cut, he won't want to be sitting on the bench most weeks.

For Everton, the question must be: If we lose Ross, will Rooney be able to play, week-in & week-out, for a full season? If he can't, we should say "Thanks, but no thanks."

Gordon Crawford
98 Posted 22/03/2017 at 16:39:15
If he is cheap then fine. He can bring a winning mentality to the team. But he will need to knuckle down and fight for his place.

He doesn't deserve to start just because he is Wayne Rooney. In saying this, it's all hypothetical.

Joe O'Brien
99 Posted 22/03/2017 at 16:59:07
I hope that won't be the case, Patrick. Losing Barkley and replacing him with Rooney... a 31-year-old for a 23-year-old... no thanks.

I wouldn't mind him coming back, but not to replace anyone, especially not Ross. We need to build the team around him.

Steavey Buckley
100 Posted 22/03/2017 at 17:14:02
Brian, what about Bolasie, who cost a fortune and on a good wedge? He had the most assists before getting injured; he has now recovered from two operations and is doing some fitness work in the gym.
Christy Ring
101 Posted 22/03/2017 at 17:14:23
I'd be happy to see Rooney return; he would do a job from the bench...

But it's more important to sign up Barkley.

John Daley
102 Posted 22/03/2017 at 17:30:37
"Evertonians who live in Liverpool may not be bought"

Who was this thread about again?

Link

Neil Wood
103 Posted 22/03/2017 at 17:31:22
These people saying they wouldn't want him back. Are you all crazy? I've said this before and I will say this again. Forget the name, salary and who he is etc. Base it purely on Football facts. He's 31 so has 3-5 seasons still at the V top level quite easily. Totti was still the main man at 40!

He's the most prolific scorer Manchester United have ever had. Most prolific goal scorer England have ever had. We have been crying out for someone who can support Lukaku and feed him whilst still having the ability to score plenty too.

Would anyone say no to:

Iniesta 32
Ronaldo 32
Robben 31

There's plenty more but you get my point. The reason Rooney hasn't performed as well this last year or so is not being played. He is exceptionally talented and will offer so much more for us if he came. Add into that the obvious commercial aspect and what on earth would we be thinking NOT having him.

With Rooney included we would be a better side by far. Fact.


Zahir Jaffer
104 Posted 22/03/2017 at 17:35:16
Jim (#96)

I live outside of Liverpool, England. I'm definitely not bought. Even though people I meet get a little shocked and confused that I support Everton, I've never hesitated on my loyalty.

I do see your point though. A la Real Madrid, Barca, PSG, Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, and now even city fans are found by the thousands no matter where you are in the world.

ps: Rooney for Barkley in a straight swoop. If we're lucky we won't have to pay them a penny more than Barkley. Only kidding. Our diamond better not be going anywhere, besides on international duty, because he bleeds blue.

pps: Rooney coming back? My view is that he could be to us what Ibrahimovich is to Man Utd... except a bit sporadic with the starts. I wasn't watching football or supporting Everton when he made his break, through, so I hold no emotional attachment to him. I know he flows with emotions and that could be the driving force if utilised appropriately.

He should be a minor signing, not major.

Steavey Buckley
105 Posted 22/03/2017 at 17:46:04
Everton are moving in the right direction without Rooney. The only place in the Everton team that needs improving is the defence. Unless of course, Rooney is targeted to play a full-back role.
Brian Wilkinson
106 Posted 22/03/2017 at 18:07:36
In regards to Bolasie, he will not be fit for the start of next season – it might even be October before he's up to full fitness, in regards to his assists, Everton have scored 34 goals since his injury in December.

He will be a welcome addition when he comes back, we cannot guarantee he will be the same player, Bracewell and Oviedo are perfect examples of coming back from a terrible injury.

For now we need to hit the new season running, if we get Rooney on a free and as stated takes a wage cut. For me, well worth bringing him in.

Some are for it; some against. Difference of opinions but both sides fair pros and cons... only time will tell.

I respect everyone's comments for and against – that's what makes ToffeeWeb: fans' opinions.

Jay Harris
107 Posted 22/03/2017 at 18:10:47
Neil,

I can't understand where you get the 3-5 seasons left in him.

Alex Ferguson dropped him years ago for the effects his lifestyle was having on his stamina and fitness.

The Man Utd fans, having got the best out of him, are all screaming at the club to get him off the wage bill.

If he can't get a game for an average Man Utd side, why should he get a game for us?

This has all the hallmarks of a teary-eyed Bill, "I never wanted him to go in the first place – now we have brought him home" on it.

Rooney is no longer top Premier League level material and that is obvious watching him play.

Yes, he's only 31 but has had 14 years of toil in the Premier League and a less-than-professional lifestyle.

What we need is the "new" Rooney – not the "retiree" version.

Peter Roberts
108 Posted 22/03/2017 at 18:11:24
Times have moved on from the amateur brigade that football was; it is a business and entertainment industry. We currently dine at the secondary table where we feed off the scraps from the top table with the rest of the league.

FFP means, in order for us to spend more and attract the best players, we need to improve our income streams. This is the huge upside to having a professional businessman in Moshiri, someone who has the nous to turn our commercial income into higher numbers to allow us to spend more on fees and wages.

This brings me to our dear Wayne. Commercially, he is still a big name; England captain, all-time record goalscorer for England and Manchester United, the boy from Croxteth and the ultimate rags-to-riches story. His name still reverberates around the world as the most recognisable English name in football after a certain D Beckham of Leytonstone. This is the kind of name we need to raise our commercial profile. (We tried with Eto'o and that didn't work out due to his attitude, sad to say.)

Footballing wise, I think he adds something to the team as a leader, a driver, and a mentor to those in his position like Barkley, Davies, and lower down the pecking order, Dowell and Walsh. Is he on the decline? Absolutely. Is he still as good as anything we have? Certainly? Is he finished? Not on your life.

The only issue for me is whether, by him coming, he's prepared to be in and out of the team as he wouldn't be an automatic choice, although he'd be excellent for squad depth. Wages are almost certainly an issue as I wonder if we'd want to pay weekly 6-figure salaries for an impact player. A lot will boil down to how willing will he be to come back and finish his competitive career at his boyhood club before his retirement in China/USA?

Depending on the deal, it's a Yes from me as long as the wages aren't too silly and he's not guaranteed a starting role.

Darren Hind
109 Posted 22/03/2017 at 18:20:29
"If Koeman wants him, then I want him."

Is that really where we are?

Chris Gould
110 Posted 22/03/2017 at 18:25:24
It's where I am, Darren, but I can't speak for others. I am fully behind the manager, so if he wants him, then I trust his judgement.

I don't care for sentimentality.

Steavey Buckley
111 Posted 22/03/2017 at 18:25:37
Brian, here is a list of Everton players competing for one position next season from the team that started the game against Hull:

Besic, Bolasie, Valencia, McCarthy, Lookman, Mirallas, Barry, NIasse, McGeady, Walsh, Deulofeu, Lennon... Plus others.

If I had to choose between Rooney or Valencia, I would go with Valencia, who has vastly improved since the beginning of the season. His finishing and link up play with Lukaku against Hull was of the highest standard.

Mike Green
112 Posted 22/03/2017 at 18:47:45
Coleman - Williams - Funes Mori - Baines
Gueye - Schneiderlin
Davies - Barkley - Mirallas
Lukaku - Rooney

Mark Morrissey
113 Posted 22/03/2017 at 18:48:53
No thanks
James Hughes
114 Posted 22/03/2017 at 18:55:11
Zahir (#105), I love that, as we say chosen not manufactured.

Everything else has already been said countless times. He is on his last legs after 14 seasons and he has not looked after himself.

Man Utd got Zlatan because he sets an example as a player. On & off the pitch.

Darren Hind
115 Posted 22/03/2017 at 18:55:24
"I don't care for sentimentality" ... but everything the manager does is okay by me?

That's not supporting the club/team, Chris. That's supporting the manager... to the point where you are prepared to forfeit your own opinion.

Gordon Crawford
116 Posted 22/03/2017 at 18:57:44
At the end of the day though, it doesn't matter what we think. If Ronald goes out and gets him, then we will just have to get on with it.
Mike Green
117 Posted 22/03/2017 at 19:16:29
Bugger – that's 11 outfield players... thought it looked a bit strong...

Funes Mori in nets then.... Sorted! :)

Will Mabon
118 Posted 22/03/2017 at 19:16:31
Lukaku makes no bones about his ambition, though it could be levelled that this helps in the case to engineer an exit. He makes even fewer bones about his self belief and how he values himself.

If there's real potential behind the Rooney rumours and the club would seek to sign him, and keep Lukaku on equal wages, does it even need saying how Rom would view this?

Rooney at Everton as the/one of the, highest paid players would rubber stamp our lack of ability to really think big, or at least think up to whatever level of funds we actually have.

On the back of what's happened with Lukaku and is fast developing with Barkley, Rooney should not be here on near their money. If we couldn't pay them more, then it should be less for Rooney.

As to image, statements, draw, club profile with Rooney here – an almost irrelevant consideration at this stage.

Tony Twist
119 Posted 22/03/2017 at 19:22:32
Very backward step. Everton should only be buying players that are yet to peak not someone whose best years have been spent elsewhere. We don't want to go back to being a retiring home for veteran footballer​s. It looks enevitable though.
Lev Vellene
120 Posted 22/03/2017 at 19:53:11
Just to go along with some media speculation I read over several days: Rooney may be allowed a free transfer to go to EFC, and he may be willing to slash his wages by half... If both of those come true, would we be just as viciously opposed?

As I've said before, we have to stop thinking only about an EFC first XI if we are to join the current big boys! We need about two squads if we want to compete both in England and in any European cup! So, what's not to like about having Rooney available in a 22-man squad???

Bob Hannigan
121 Posted 22/03/2017 at 20:31:21
An interesting set of circumstances. Ordinarily if "player X" at Wayne's age were to be considered by the club, I would say please pass. However, in my many years observing professional sports on both sides of the pond, I firmly believe there are a few intangibles that are as they say "priceless".

In this case, with Wayne a life-long Evertonian I see the value. I've been an Evertonian since 1999 and was disappointed when he left for Man Utd but reluctantly saw that it was necessary at the time. Rooney needed to be with a higher level of mates, witness his performance with Everton vs those with the England squad, he needed to grow as a club professional, unfortunately at the time we couldn't offer that for the player.

If Rooney does return to Everton, I feel he will add the "X-factor" at least in the locker room to our squad. If we are to advance to and through Europe we need a deep and experienced squad. Who better than Wayne Rooney? True Blue.

Des Farren
122 Posted 22/03/2017 at 20:59:28
Patrick @98. Ross/Rooney x four. Wayne/Barkley x zero.

Your argument is belittled by your apparent bias.

John Daley
123 Posted 22/03/2017 at 21:34:17
"Are you all crazy. I've said this before and I will say this again .Forget the name, salary and who he is etc. Base it purely on Football facts."

Neil, 

Simple repetition isn't enough to render something 'fact'. 

You say Rooney has 3-5 seasons at not just the top, but the very top. "Quite easily". How is that in anyway a "football fact"? Complete conjecture on your part, and that's before you add in the bizarre reasoning that some other bloke, blessed with an entirely different body, who played in another league in another country and led a completely contrasting lifestyle, has managed to hang on in there until he was 40.  

It's like someone saying, "It's ridiculous to suggest Rooney can't grow a full barnet back at his age. Why, that Francesco Totti had a wonderfully luxurious mane like Michael fucking Bolton when he was in his mid 30s".

If it's 'quite easy' to still be performing in the Premier League at the age of 36 why is Gareth McAuley the only outfield player to have done so this season?

35? Crouch, Delaney, Terry and O'Shea would be the only four born the same year as 'The Beastmaster' was assembling an army consisting of a couple of thieving ferrets, a 'panther' that was a Bengal tiger badly painted black, and an 'eagle' strapped to a helium balloon that kept having to say "I'm a HAWK!! I thought you were supposed to be telepathic, you twat?", to have still been dragging their aching bones around the pitch this season. 

Three years to take him to 34? Well, Gareth Barry and Ibrahimovic are still going fairly strong I suppose, but stand them and Rooney in a straight line with the sun behind them and only one of the trio will be casting a shadow the absolute spit of Alfred Hitchcock. 

Seriously, stretching a career in the top flight out past 33 isn't the piece of piss you seem to think it is, as evidenced by the relatively small number of  players actually doing so. Particularly, if you discount those who happen to wear gloves. 

You then go onto say he's the most prolific scorer Man Utd have ever had. Fact. Except he isn't. He might now be their record goalscorer, by virtue of having 13 years in the same shirt to amass his tally, but that's not really the same thing. Ruud van Nistlerooy (1.46 games per goal) would be the most prolific and others like Dennis Law and Dennis Viollet have also grabbed goals for them at a greater rate than Rooney (2.18 games per goal) has managed.

Ian Riley
124 Posted 22/03/2017 at 21:45:59
Rooney would bring a winning mentality but would he be the difference in getting us into the top four?
Bill Gienapp
125 Posted 22/03/2017 at 22:57:55
I have mixed feelings here. I have no doubt Rooney can still contribute in some capacity, but even if he were to accept a 50% pay cut, he'd still be making more than we just offered Lukaku. That's madness.
Neil Wood
126 Posted 22/03/2017 at 23:23:55
John... P>Since you have clearly been busy googling away... You rightly point out Rooney's goals-to-games Ratio is inferior to Van Nistelrooy which in essence is indeed correct and is Fact.

All this comparison following your somewhat angry reply at me suggesting a comparison with the likes of Totti. I would however feel strongly that Totti would be most upset at your suggestions he was "hanging on in there".

sometimes you only see what you want to see.

In 453 matches for United Rooney has served up 101 assists. That's one per 4.5 games roughly. Fact.

Van Nistelrooy served up 14 assists which is one per 10.5 games. Fact.

I believe this more than makes up for a slightly lower goals-to-games ratio. As in addition to scoring he's also setting up others to score.

His all round play and contribution is far superior to most and yes, whilst I appreciate there aren't many still serving up the goods in there mid-30s. There are still some exceptions and he is/will be one of them.

Name me one other player that you can guarantee me will score 10+ goals for Everton from a deeper forward position. Because I can pretty much guarantee he would.
Now add that to Lukaku's probable tally.

Davies, Schneiderlin and Gueye behind Barkley, Rooney and Lukaku.

Denis Richardson
127 Posted 23/03/2017 at 00:25:03
£150k a week for a player approaching 32 and the inevitable media circus that would follow him. A player no longer able to play in his best position of old and who himself has admitted that time is catching up with him.

If he comes, he'll certainly give 100% as no doubt the World Cup 2018 will be his No 1 aim. However, I just cannot see how this makes sense financially for Everton. If he signed a contract which was more pay-as-you-play or linked to some sort of performance, then I'd be okay. But possibly £150k a week?? Almost double our current highest earners?? Madness.

Never mind the obvious question of where he'd play and who's place he'd take. Highly doubt he's going to be sitting on our bench on £150k!

Karl Masters
128 Posted 23/03/2017 at 01:16:25
Downside to this: we can't pay him more than Lukaku, as that does not make sense or send out the right message.

Upside: Anfield dressing room before the derby. Some of our players nervous of what might happen, Rooney tells them "Nothing to be scared of; I've won here loads and we're gonna win here today." Confidence and desire spreads through the whole team. Can you put a price on that?

It's the experience, know-how and attitude that could be worth adding to the mix of what we have just now.

John Daley
129 Posted 23/03/2017 at 01:19:55
Absolutely Neil.  A lazy, ill thought out, comparison between Rooney and Totti must have been enough to anger me. 

There could surely be no other reason on earth for having a cheap dig at the Italian's wondrous, mid-noughties, 'Dr Quinn: Medicine Woman' inspired man mane. Nor for pointing out that someone telling people to look solely at "football facts" that, when trotted out, don't amount to anything more than a solitary accurate statement (of age), several baseless beliefs and an undercurrent of seemingly unshakeable faith in the fact Wayne must be packing a healing factor on par with the Wolverine, is about as specious as a bottle of salamander pish labelled 'eau de toillete'.

"sometimes you only see what you want to see."

I was going to say "Quite", seen as though I'm talking to the guy who believes it's a fact that Rooney has got another five years at 'the very top' in his locker and furthermore can 'guarantee' he will get more than 10 goals per season for Everton playing in a deep forward position (and that Lukaku is staying seemingly) but then I thought about a 32-36 year old Rooney rocking an Everton shirt in front of a mirror. 

You might not wince at that funhouse reflection, but I reckon Wayne couldn't help but recognise he's a hell of a long way from being the player he was when he last turned out for an Everton team proper. 

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"I would however feel strongly that Totti would be most upset at your suggestions he was 'hanging on in there' "

Missed opportunity if ever there was one. You should have said it's a FACT he wouldn't give a fuck what I say.

James Marshall
130 Posted 23/03/2017 at 01:52:21
It doesn't matter what we think, and if he does come back to Everton, you'll all sing his name when he either plays well, or scores a goal, regardless of what you say on here – even those that still harbour (what I see as) misplaced hatred will cheer when he scores a goal.

I'm all for it – I'll admit I loved seeing him play in Duncan's testimonial and wanted him back right there & then.

Once a blue, always a blue – anyone?

Alan J Thompson
131 Posted 23/03/2017 at 03:49:46
If it is to be, then it must be a free transfer and £75k per week for the first season with Everton holding an option for each following year at £50k per week. Surely, he wouldn't be doing it for the money, I mean, once a.....
Jim Harrison
132 Posted 23/03/2017 at 05:10:34
Zahir (#105),

My intention was not to belittle or doubt commitment of support, just to highlight that increasing interest in Everton beyond the local market is trickier than drawing from the local community.

I lived for 5 years in Malaysia. Everton were known, but not widely followed. Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea were popular. The most recent bunch of champions. Liverpool too, and to a lesser extent Arsenal. Tottenham, who have been relatively successful in the league compared to us of late, barely registered.

TV hosts focussed mainly on the top five or six teams in general. So exposure of Everton was limited.

Factor in a lack of success since PL introduction (and world wide coverage boom), lack of a household name like Rooney, Ronaldo etc there is very little to draw in interest, beyond when we actually play one of the darlings.

Many supporters would shift who they followed if the team had a drop in form. Man City, a team who less than a decade ago had Darius Vassel as their leading scorer for the season are now well supported. They've won stuff and have big name players and manager.

Rooney is a name that most football fans around the world know well. He had 11 million twitter followers in 2015. The highest of any English player. When he plays at the World Cup, in Champions League and European championships he is widely covered by the media. If people saw him in an Everton shirt, it would pique interest and go some way to making more people aware of the club.

Chris Gould
133 Posted 23/03/2017 at 06:06:27
Darren, I have my own opinion, but trust that Koeman may know/see things I do not. I'm happy to entrust him to make the right decision for the team. I have faith in him. I really believe he is the right man at the right moment for our club.

And thus, I fully support his decisions, even though he won't always get them right.

Tony Cunningham
134 Posted 23/03/2017 at 06:54:46
Whilst I can't help thinking what outrageous wages and how we could do better with our money. If we got him on a free then that'd make all the difference.

I'd happily gamble £5-10 million on a player like Rooney (with £50k wages). So if no transfer fee then seems doable.

Lewis Barclay
135 Posted 23/03/2017 at 07:08:54
The amount of comments a small *rumour* in the Independent, referenced on TW, generates, alone, suggests that this might make good marketing and PR sense.

I'm sure the majority of posters on TW understand the players and the game better than I do but with Rom saying his reason for leaving is "We're not making big signings" I think this would show intent at the very least. As much potential as Rom has, no one could argue that he's not yet judged in the same way Rooney is.

I also think it's possible signing Rooney could help tempt Barkley to sign a new contract. Barkley would be a hell of a player with 50% of Rooney's vision, it wouldn't hurt having them train together regularly.

If we take the article as fact the first question to be answered is surely: Who else could we realistically sign for the same wages or less, that has a similar Premier League record, proven ability and marketing potential as Rooney?

Our squad has some amazing young talent. I feel it needs a couple of superstar players (of which Barkley and Rom are a year or two away from becoming if they do things right) to hold it all together. Maybe Rooney is one of them?

(I wouldn't mind seeing him score against the RS and Man Utd either!)

Peter Lee
136 Posted 23/03/2017 at 09:36:23
Regarding fitness, he's about the same age as Milner and he is like a clockwork ferret up and down that right side for the wrong side, if you see what I mean.

If Wayne, who has a build that tends to bulk anyway, can lose 20 lbs and get fit he would be a great addition.

Don't judge him on what he has done this season. He has been used all over the pitch in previous seasons and the manager currently doesn't fancy him. The man needs to play regularly.

It is all about motivation. If he is motivated to come to the club he still buys shirts for his kids from, take a pay cut and lose weight we can only benefit.

Simon Jones
137 Posted 23/03/2017 at 09:39:09
Although often much maligned, Phil Neville's signing and professionalism brought much to our club and the rumours were he was an excellent club captain.

I see Rooney in that mould now, as an elder statesman, but with far greater footballing prowess than Neville as well as the undoubted marketing opportunity. If this signing happens, I think it will be for far more than what Rooney can do on the pitch.

Mark Rimmer
138 Posted 23/03/2017 at 11:23:52
We can get all sentimental over this but the club will realise it makes good business sense. The name Rooney is more recognisable around the world than Everton, and his association with us will only increase the clubs global profile.

Personally I think if Rooney wants to come back he should play for free, or even pay us for the privilege of being part of Everton like the rest of us do. But of course that won't happen.
James Marshall
139 Posted 23/03/2017 at 11:26:57
Simon makes a good point – a lot of times people have complained about a lack of leadership in our squad, and if there's one thing Rooney would bring, it's leadership and experience.

I reckon he'd play himself into the ground for us for a few years.

Patrick Murphy
140 Posted 23/03/2017 at 11:39:22
Des (#123),

I hadn't realised that my little post would be under such severe scrutiny, but rest assured – the reason I typed Ross and not Barkley or Rooney and not Wayne was purely down to laziness on my behalf as I find Ross and Rooney easier to type than Wayne or Barkley.

Perhaps you are correct that I displayed unintentional bias as I would prefer Ross to stay at Goodison alongside Wayne rather than Barkley being replaced by Rooney – but, from a footballing perspective, I can't see how that would work.

David Griffiths
141 Posted 23/03/2017 at 14:14:08
Rooney is miles past his best and should go to China for a final big payday. The big difference now with Everton is that, if anyone of his class comes along now, Everton will be able to keep them. But Rooney's days are done – comparisons with the Gazza signing are valid.
Barry Jones
142 Posted 23/03/2017 at 23:32:09
He's still a decent player, but I don't see where he will fit in or start (especially on his salary). His two preferred positions are filled by Lukaku and Barkley and I wouldn't swap either for Rooney.
Paul Ferry
143 Posted 24/03/2017 at 00:56:32
Darren (Hind) mate, as someone whose opinion I respect greatly through five decades of supporting Everton through thick and think, I'd love to hear what you think of Wazza coming back, potentially.
Jim Robinson
144 Posted 24/03/2017 at 07:14:26
Would I like to see Rooney back in blue? – absolutely. But at the expense of Lukaku and or Barkley? – no way Jose.

I like the line-up proposed by Brian Wilkinson of Davies, Schneiderlin, Gueye, Rooney, Barkley and Lukaku. I reckon that team would have sufficient pace, tenacity and goals to trouble anyone.

However, given his recent statements, I wonder how Rom would see this. Would he see it as starting a retirement home for old Evertonians and say "That's it – I'm definitely off now"? Or would he consider the thought of teaming him with Wayne, as a goal threat, a sign of the clubs ambition?

If it is the latter, and in conjunction with the stadium announcement, maybe he can be persuaded to sit on a transfer request for another 12 months to see where it takes us.

On the topic of ambition – Pogba: £290k, Rooney £300k – Ozil and Sanchez asking for £290k... and we offer the Premier League's leading goalscorer £140k...?

Come on, Bill – get off that couch, shove your hand down the back of the sofa, and come up with a more realistic offer if you want Champions League next year.

Someone asked who would miss out if Rooney came back. The obvious answer in this line-up would be Mirallas.

Nicholas Ryan
145 Posted 24/03/2017 at 15:20:01
In my humble, and persistently wrong, view; anyone who doesn't want Rooney back, is certifiable; just watch the video of that free-kick he scored in injury-time recently, and imagine it was scored at 0-0 in an Anfield derby!!

Talk of him replacing or forcing out Lukaku or Barkley is ridiculous. Those two are going in the summer – get used to it, folks!

As to being too old, he'll be the same age as Gareth Barry was, when he came.

I always maintain you should sign players who have something to prove... and boy, will Rooney have stuff to prove!

I agree, that it has to be this summer; otherwise, it will be too late.

Shane Corcoran
146 Posted 24/03/2017 at 15:26:55
Nicholas, good to see that you're consistant.
Mark Morrissey
147 Posted 24/03/2017 at 15:55:07
You're right, Nicholas, and Gareth was past it when he arrived but has put in some memorable performances. I want someone who will be able to develop at Everton and be consistent, week-in & week-out. Rooney has nothing to prove. He has done it, worn the shirt out and has nothing to prove.

By the way, Barkley won't be going anywhere. You may get your wish if he arrives in the summer so I'll nail you down. How many goals will he score for Everton in the 2017-18 season and how many assists. Bear in mind he is a forward. Let us all know what your prediction is. I'd be interested.

Steven Jones
148 Posted 25/03/2017 at 13:38:16
My prediction, Mark (#148):

16 goals and 6 assists;
Rom on 24 and 3 assists;
Ross on 9 and 7 assists.

Steven Jones
149 Posted 25/03/2017 at 13:47:42
One thing not mentioned – We are likely to be in the Europa Leaguenext year, coupled with average runs in the cups – to last 16, quarterfinals, or semi-finals, then there are a lot of games to be played.

The Koeman brothers will have a number of formations and combinations to play, so it is not a simple "Ross versus Roons"... Rooney can play that 10 back to the goal, false number 9, and between the lines that no other player I have seen in Premier League be able to play.

Given some clubs are parking the bus and, in transition, we have Rom running the channels, then there are some luscious combinations to be had with Wayne returning.

We need a bigger squad, we need to have cover for injuries and loss of form. It's a big Yes for me on a footballing basis.

Mike Dolan
150 Posted 27/03/2017 at 20:06:51
Rooney giving us two good seasons would accelerate our development exponentially . He is coming in on a free and at half his present pay cheque.

He's a world class player who would slot in behind Lukaku or who ever is the main striker next year. He would play alongside Barkley. What he is losing in pace is easily compensated by his dog-gifted nous. He could also cover the positions of both Barkley and/or Lukaku if needed.

This is a complete no-brainer. Sign him yesterday and let somebody else worry about his salary. He would be a perfect fit for the next 2 years.

James Doran
151 Posted 27/03/2017 at 20:20:51
What Mike Dolan said @150 – with the added benefit that Rooney would be a commercially-massive signing for us.
Benny Snow
152 Posted 28/03/2017 at 10:29:01
Yes if he was on a free 2-year deal and his wages were cheap, but ain't he on £300k a week? This has happened 3 years too late, he is well past it now. It's a step backwards rather than forwards.

It's hardly going to inspire Ron to stay.

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