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Charlie Lloyd
1 Posted 08/07/2017 at 16:07:06
Very much doubt McCarthy has a future under Koeman. Few good games were undone by the fiasco over Ireland.

In today's much inflated market, we may recoup on him.

Mark Frere
2 Posted 08/07/2017 at 16:09:32
I'd like to keep Macca. I think he's perfect for Koeman's high pressing kind of game. He was the best player on the park in our victory against Arsenal last season.

We need a bigger squad for the Europa League.

Colin Glassar
3 Posted 08/07/2017 at 16:23:17
He would be, Mark, if he could stay injury-free but that's looking near impossible these days, especially with his insistence on playing whilst injured.
Anthony Dwyer
4 Posted 08/07/2017 at 16:25:45
£20m bid and move him on, Koeman doesn't want him clearly.
Brian Williams
5 Posted 08/07/2017 at 16:27:16
Swap plus cash for Mahrez!
Drew Shortis
6 Posted 08/07/2017 at 16:59:36
I think selling McCarthy would be a big mistake unless the fee offered is really substantial. A really good player at Wigan and in his first season or so at Everton.

He has just lost his way a bit, but with the increased number of matches this season he will have his opportunity to show what he can do. We need competition and cover for injuries and when players get tired with two matches per week!

Ian Bennett
7 Posted 08/07/2017 at 17:02:26
I'd happily swap Mahrez for McCarthy & £30m. We need a better player than McCarthy (and Besic), and I'd be happy to move both on.
James Stewart
8 Posted 08/07/2017 at 17:09:31
Never fit, simply no point in having him on the wage bill for about 5 games a
season.
James Flynn
9 Posted 08/07/2017 at 17:12:41
Well, he'll stay or go. Appreciate Koeman's frustration, which the most of us shared during the recent Club/Country controversy. Not sure, though, where the idea Koeman wants rid of him comes from.

He said this about James just a few months ago:

“James is at a really good fitness level and that makes him a better player than I saw in the beginning. I think at the beginning of the season he wasn’t fit and he had problems with his hamstrings.

“But I’m very pleased with his quality and how he’s involved in the team.

“We need competition for places in the midfield, which is why there was no possibility of one of the midfielders going in the January window.

“Yes, Darron Gibson was allowed to leave because there was too much competition for him [to play regularly], but that’s not the case with James McCarthy.

“I think he’s a really good player and we need players like this for the future of Everton.”

So, yeah, maybe he's going, but Koeman seems to like him.


Mike Gaynes
10 Posted 08/07/2017 at 17:36:59
Send 'em Besic instead.
Christy Ring
11 Posted 08/07/2017 at 17:47:44
A fully fit Mccarthy is worth keeping, I'd sell Besic instead.
Des Farren
12 Posted 08/07/2017 at 19:38:07
You took the words out of my mouth, Mike! McCarthy is a player. Besic has yet to prove anything.
Mike Berry
13 Posted 08/07/2017 at 19:39:00
Hopefully he moves on. A good runner but injury-prone and not good enough for the new regime.
Steve Carse
14 Posted 08/07/2017 at 19:41:57
James (#9), I suspect the reason Koeman appreciated McCarthy was because he could play him at the tip of the midfield 4 or 5 to do the pressing against the opposition back line that his centre forward never bothered himself to do.
Rick Pattinson
15 Posted 08/07/2017 at 20:15:43
Sell him. Sell Besic. We have our team sorted now always injured and rarely know he's even playing.
Mark Riding
16 Posted 08/07/2017 at 20:16:25
I'm available if James needs a lift to Leicester.
I'll drive him for nothing too.
Dave Pritchard
17 Posted 08/07/2017 at 20:43:23
Mark, come on... a bit or originality wouldn't go amiss.
Dave Abrahams
18 Posted 08/07/2017 at 20:54:41
James. (9) I remember that, Koeman saying he likes McCarthy and wants him to stay. I hope he sticks to that and keeps James, we will need him with all the games this season. He's had a long rest so hopefully his injuries are behind him. He is a good player who will do a very good job for the Blues.
Des Farren
19 Posted 08/07/2017 at 21:29:44
Rick @ 15." We have our team sorted now."

Do we really? I feel the players coming in from now till closing of the window will determine what kind of season we will have and how far we have progressed.

Andrew James
20 Posted 08/07/2017 at 22:48:52
Think we should keep him. Besic is probably the one to move on in that part of the pitch. He's had some bad luck with injuries but we can get him back to how he was 3 seasons ago, he will be an asset.

He's a good player to rely on from the bench if we need some industry in the middle and are hanging on for a win at the very least.

Neil Cremin
21 Posted 08/07/2017 at 22:55:52
Too much prejudice in the comments her.

How long has McCarthy been at the club. To the.best of my recollection his injury has only been a factor end of last season and this season and both club and country have been guilty of playing him when not fully fit.

Same question of Besic, but to my recollection here is that he has never been available for a full season. I would love to see it as I think he has a great engine and commitment to Everton but those who would keep him over Macca need to look at themselves, the facts and their prejudices.

Such decisions need to be made on facts alone. Macca is the best holding midfielder we have. Fact

Mike Gaynes
22 Posted 08/07/2017 at 22:57:19
Rick (#15), with all the Europa League games, being five deep at defensive mid is a good thing. When Schneiderlin was hurt last spring we struggled with a rotation of Gana, Davies and Barry. Depth matters.
Keith Monaghan
23 Posted 08/07/2017 at 23:39:29
Get rid asap – way over-rated, mediocre Championship player at best who rarely makes a forward pass. He had a very good first season under Roberto – consistently poor since on the few occasions he's been really fit.

His decision-making re recent appearances for Ireland was crazy. I suspect Koeman's positive words are common sense with the purpose of protecting any sell-on value.

I understand people's questions re Besic, but I hope he is now over his injury issues – the rest of this year is key for his future with us.

Kristian Boyce
24 Posted 09/07/2017 at 03:09:13
I'm surprised Leicester haven't gone through O'Neil and Keane for the deal as he only seems to play for them.
Mike Gaynes
25 Posted 09/07/2017 at 04:13:12
Besic has no "future with us"... he's a completely one-dimensional midfielder... defense only, zero attack... under a manager who prizes versatility in midfield.

The idea that he's superior to McCarthy is laughable.

James Flynn
26 Posted 09/07/2017 at 04:26:11
If we're picking on his injuries, look no further then Europa 3 seasons ago.

He'd been out with his first major hamstring injury, when Roberto sent him out still injured. Remember that? When the medical staff quit after that game?

Been a problem ever since.

He's not over-rated. He's been the same player since Roberto brought him into Wigan. What he gives, when healthy, is an unrelenting aggression.

7 seasons under OFM, of course he doesn't attack. The odd thing about him not jumping into the attack, is that the rare times he does he looks pretty good.

I say keep him and let's see what the coaching staff can get out of him.

David Currie
27 Posted 09/07/2017 at 05:52:41
Keep McCarthy, hope he can stay fit; get rid of Besic as he is not good enough, and Barry can leave with a big "Well done but your time is up."
Christopher Timmins
28 Posted 09/07/2017 at 08:34:29
Get him fit and keep him, then sell Rooney to China for £20,000,000.
Kenny Smith
29 Posted 09/07/2017 at 08:38:51
We're gonna need a big squad next season because, for the first time in years we're going to and will be expected to compete in all 4 competitions.

I don't think there'll be that many departures other than the obvious ones such as McGeady and McCarthy. I can't see Besic getting a look-in either but I'm sure he ll let him go till January after Koeman has had a good look at him.

John Smith
30 Posted 09/07/2017 at 10:46:07
He's probably our best presser. When he's fit. Keeping McCarthy is almost as bad as wanting Gibbo to return. Gibbo was a great player, great vision and a great passer of the ball... when fit.

We need players that can be relied upon to play at a top 4 level, European level. When players are often crocked its a sign they're not good enough to play at that level anymore. This is definitely true of Darron Gibson. Its also why the top class players rarely get injured. Its in their DNA. Their bodies can handle extreme pressure. Lesser players cannot.

Mike Berry
31 Posted 09/07/2017 at 10:56:45
He will be gone, only a matter of time. Sadly injury-prone and blotted Ron's book by playing when he shouldn't.
Jon Withey
32 Posted 09/07/2017 at 11:08:13
With Gana, Schneiderlin, Davies and Besic perhaps we have enough + that Baningime in the U-23s.

That said, I'd still have McCarthy ahead of Besic and even Davies (defensively) and we are probably losing Barry to age or a transfer.

John House
33 Posted 09/07/2017 at 11:11:17
We can afford to shed a couple of unwanted players but I hope we don't lose our depth. It's gonna be a long season and it would be silly to get all these players in and be left with a small squad.
Chris James
34 Posted 09/07/2017 at 12:16:58
Defensive midfield is really not a position we are short in and McCarthy seems the least 'adaptable' player in this slot – ie, crab-style passing and unwilling to get beyond halfway line most of the time.

Having one less Irish international in the squad – so we have less need to deal with the Keane and O'Neill ego circus – would also be welcome.

Christy Ring
35 Posted 09/07/2017 at 15:14:22
Chris (#32), I don't appreciate your comment, as Everton is the No 1 club for Irish players. If I'm not mistaken, we had 6 players at the club in the 60s.
Nathan Ford
36 Posted 09/07/2017 at 18:55:37
McCarthy when fully fit with his high energy pressing game can be a very important member of our team. With regards to those saying sell Besic instead tell me a club that would risk buying him with his injury record?

I say keep McCarthy if he wants to stay there's no saying he does. Loan out Besic to a Championship club and see how he performs; I think we all need to see him get a run of games.

Denis Richardson
37 Posted 09/07/2017 at 20:17:38
Awesome – please make it happen. Injury prone water carrier who's at best 5th in our pecking order of CMs.

Can't hide that I've never been a big fan, since we first signed him for an at the time ridiculous £13m. However, Sky inflation means we'll hopefully get our money back if not make a profit.

Can we also please get rid of Besic. How has this guy still got a contract to 2021? Did we sign him on a 7-year deal or stupidly give him an extension? Amazing to think he's been with us for 3 years, done very little other than keep Gibbo company in the treatment room, and still has another 4 years left! Who makes these contract decisions? I'm sure he's a nice guy but 7 years? He's appeared in 35 league games for us in 3 seasons.

Then of course there's Mr Niasse on his £55k/week contract which also has another 3 years to run.

I know you can't legislate for injuries and every transfer is a bit of a lottery but football really is an odd industry at times.

Barry Jones
38 Posted 10/07/2017 at 18:18:03
A lot of managers never forgive players for making rash decisions that impact the club and Koeman is no exception. Koeman publicly stated that he blamed both McCarthy and O'Neill when James re-injured an unhealed hamstring tear on international duty. That may have been the final straw.

Neil Cremin
39 Posted 10/07/2017 at 18:25:24
Such anti-McCarthy bile in this thread makes me ashamed to be an Evertonian when we treat one of our own players in such a way. Especially when that criticism is a choice of Besic vs Mc Carthy.

Who of you know-it-alls can set out the stats of length of time at the Club vs game played for both playersin in % vtermw.

That would be interesting. Lyndon, you usually know all these statistics so for balance could you respond as you are probably his greatest protagonist

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