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1 Posted 08/07/2017 at 00:00:36
And I've learnt not to trust much ITK news unless it comes from Paul Joyce at The Times this summer.
2 Posted 09/07/2017 at 00:03:39
3 Posted 09/07/2017 at 00:07:31
I'd be very surprised if the club went for Gylfi and Rooney in the same window maybe Koeman sees Rooney as a #9? Or Sigurdsson as a 'false 9'? I'd take Sigurdsson any day, he offers goal threat, brings others into play and is proven Premier League quality.
4 Posted 09/07/2017 at 00:10:03
How many of the starting 11 from our first game last season will be starting our first game this season????
Ramiro Funes Mori
5 Posted 09/07/2017 at 00:17:09
6 Posted 09/07/2017 at 00:22:59
All Koeman has to do is make them gel and work together as a team. Imagine him and Sandro pulling defenders out and getting behind them. And Messrs Rooney and Giroud too.
Well over a year ago, I felt we wouldn't be able to go forward as a team until Lukaku left. And probably Ross too. I'm in two minds about Ross still. But, when Seamus comes back from injury, everything else in in place.
And Lukaku is now Mourinho's problem again. Woo hoo! There is a God. Mr Sigurdsson? Yes please! Ooh! Suits you, Sir!
7 Posted 09/07/2017 at 00:23:56
Boom boom boom signing coming thick and fast. I usually enjoy the transfer window as much as the football but I think we've peaked too early this year. Come mid July we would have signed a new team and no more signings, nothing to look forward to on transfer deadline day.
It the equivalent to opening all your Xmas presents before Xmas day!
Some good signing so far. Maybe he wants to to use the Icelandic on the left or right of a 3 man attacking midfield. Who knows I'd rather have him than it have him.
8 Posted 09/07/2017 at 00:24:46
I reckon 2 of them have a chance, depending on how Koeman lines them up.
9 Posted 09/07/2017 at 00:35:00
But with all the business done, we will abandon our computers and flood the streets, committing unspeakable crimes out of sheer boredom.
The very fabric of society will come unraveled.
10 Posted 09/07/2017 at 00:35:44
Sigurdsson... Yes please. Giroud, not certain. Would rather see someone pacier.
Would also like to see another centre half. I've absolutely no faith in Jags, Williams or Funes Mori, in any combination. Our biggest downfall last season IMO was the centre of defence.
11 Posted 09/07/2017 at 00:45:30
Coleman - Williams - Keane - Baines
Schneiderlin - Gueye.
Bolasie - Ramirez - full.
Subs: Stekelenburg, Funes Mori, Jagielka, Davies, Mirallas, Lookman.
Hopefully we get Dembele from Celtic
12 Posted 09/07/2017 at 00:50:25
13 Posted 09/07/2017 at 01:02:46
After that I still expect a centre forward, my choice would be Dembele but I suspect after Lukaku's departure we will go with someone with greater experience.
Of course signing Van Dijk would be great on both a footballing level but also as a massive fuck you to the RS.
Then I see a bit of a clear out. I suspect Robles, Barkley, McCarthy, Jags and Barry although maybe the final two will get another season.
14 Posted 09/07/2017 at 01:40:28
I think Klaassen might be in there somewhere! However, I have no idea how we will line up or even how best to use a player like Rooney. Given the current squad fully fit I would say:
Coleman Keane Williams Baines
Barkley Sandro Bolasie
Subs: Stekelenburg, Funes Mori, Davies, Rooney, Lookman
This means Jags, Barry, McCarthy, Mirallas, Robles etc not even making the match day squad on a regular basis (and with probably two more signing to come it will get even worse for them) so I agree, they will all likely move on other than Barry (who I think will make appearances and seems destined for a coaching role).
15 Posted 09/07/2017 at 01:48:40
Under the new coaching staff, last season, he cut that out. A baby step, yes. But a major one towards him actually learning the game.
I say keep him.
16 Posted 09/07/2017 at 02:08:30
GK - Pickford, RB - tbc, CB - Keane, CB -Jakielka/Williams, LB - Baines. DM - Schneiderlin, DM - Gueye. RAM -tbc, CAM - Klaassen, Sigurdsson? Rooney, Sandro and Barkley? LAM - tbc, STR - Giroud?
Before anybody suggests the names of Mirallas, Davies or Lookman in those wide areas, lets address those options first. Any team wanting to seriously gate crash those top four positions would be looking at sending the likes of Lookman and Calvert-Lewin on loan to the championship to get some serious game time.
As for Mirallas, well I'm sure most people will testify, the guys been stealing a living for far too long now, whilst the likes of Barkley and Deulofeu have been taking no end of flak, Mirallas seems to have gotten away with turning up once every 8-9 games with a half decent performance, yet seems somehow to keep his place in the side. For me, he'd be surplus to requirements.
Davies? Obviously I rate him very highly, but at this stage in his career, should he really be in the starting eleven, with everyone fit, for a champions league chasing club? I don't think so. By all means, bring him in against stronger opposition, playing a 4-3-2-1, but not at home to Stoke in a 4-2-3-1.
Anyhow, as you can see, the whole right hand side of our team is none existent, and there's not a single player with any pace what so ever. With both Bolasie and Coleman out till the new year, and Baines becoming less and less effective in the opposition half as each year passes, what quite the management expect 5 number 10's to do, with no pace upfront or in wide areas, is beyond me.
I hate to be a killjoy, but I can seriously see us being a disjointed mess of a team and this wave that we and the British media have been riding on all summer, will come crashing down and we'll all of a sudden be confronted with the fact that we've done a Tottenham, and spent all the (Bale, Modric) Lukaku, Barkley, Stones money and ended up with an inferior team.
17 Posted 09/07/2017 at 02:15:01
Holgate Keane Williams Baines
Barkley Rooney Sigurdsson
It's really hard to pick a first 11.
Davies, Gana, Barry, Jagielka, Mirallas could start the first game also.
Gana Schneiderlin Klaassen
Sandro Rooney. Barkley
Who knows !?!? It's anyone's guess
18 Posted 09/07/2017 at 02:26:26
19 Posted 09/07/2017 at 02:45:25
This will definitely be Koeman's team.
Players that can score 25 goals in a season are rare, but players that can score 10 to 15 aren't. And we have just signed a bunch of 'em.
20 Posted 09/07/2017 at 03:11:02
What we are refreshingly seeing is depth and players who can step in, challenge each other and allow Everton to compete in all competitions.
Sigursdsson is an excellent example. I'm hoping Everton continue the spree. Get a centre back, left back and centre forward in.
Happy to see a couple go out, McCarthy and Besic perhaps.
The U23s might produce someone ready for the first team, based on the high talent we've bought.
Signs are good, Koeman now has the task of binning off the pragmatism for pragmatisms sake and adopt a more attacking style.
The best bit is Walsh appears to be bringing players not just for Koeman but beyond and for Everton. That means if Koeman can't hack it then we still have a talented squad for someone else to mould.
Starting to feel we are set up to succeed.
21 Posted 09/07/2017 at 03:33:48
22 Posted 09/07/2017 at 03:56:37
Keane Williams Van Dijk (Hopefully)
Gueye Klaassen Schneiderlin Davies
Coleman Keane Van Dijk (Hopefully) BainesZ
Gueye Klaassen Schneiderlin
Bolasie Ramirez/ Giroud Sigurdsson
23 Posted 09/07/2017 at 04:13:39
If you took our team from one of the better performances last season, then stuck in three or four of the new outfield players and replayed the game, you'd get a very different performance, and likely not as good first time.
I'm not going to guess at Koeman's plans for integrating the new players, and tactical changes, but he's got a job on alright. Tottenham actually is an example of what can happen. Of course there's pre-season and early Europa League games to help somewhat. Perhaps it will all turn out fantastically but there's no way of knowing for certain.
No place for excessive optimism any more than outright pessimism. A pragmatic patience is called for, with fingers crossed.
24 Posted 09/07/2017 at 04:19:09
25 Posted 09/07/2017 at 05:20:04
Maybe he is looking to his agent saying, "Duhhhhhh but you said..."
If nobody comes in for him, I bet you he signs the deal and says, "It's because we matched his ambition in the transfer market."
Which some of our supporter will buy, and others will see for the bullshit that it is. If he signs that deal now, it will be like a cheating spouse showing up at the door with a bunch of roses.
26 Posted 09/07/2017 at 05:41:22
27 Posted 09/07/2017 at 05:43:48
Maybe this time around, the stadium money is ringfenced. Moshiri is the financial expert this time, not Kenwright. But Everton still aren't as flush as Man City or Chelsea.
28 Posted 09/07/2017 at 05:54:11
29 Posted 09/07/2017 at 06:27:28
(Those Cuco Martina rumors died fast.)
30 Posted 09/07/2017 at 06:56:20
31 Posted 09/07/2017 at 06:57:49
The Premier League winners, no less, played in that manner. Willy, the only player to really press in their line-up was Kante and he's a defensive midfielder. Besides, my comment was not regarding our style of play, it was about recruitment; it just seems to me like we've used the Moneyball technique of scouting players on stats rather than actual strengths and weaknesses.
As for being negative, I'm just saying what I'm seeing, I personally find it extremely nauseating listening to your average football supporter celebrate every signing their club makes as though it's revolutionary. Funnily enough, it always seems to be the same people who are the first to criticize the same players/managers when things go wrong.
I'll be the first to admit, I was getting excited at the beginning of last Summer, when the likes of Koulibaly, Witsel, Mata, and Mertens were being pursued, they to me, were players that could take us to the next level and encourage other top class players to jump on board. When none of those signings materialized, we were forced to re-assess our capabilities and severely downgrade to the likes of Williams and Bolasie.
We now, in my opinion, seem to be throwing outrageous money at that standard of player, many of whom quite rigidly, play in the same position. So forgive me for actually voicing my opinion, rather than just regurgitating that of Jim White's like most others seem to be doing.
I'm not saying for one minute that all our signings are underwhelming, the likes of Pickford, Keane, Schneiderlin, Gueye, Rooney and Onyekuru have all been good signings in my opinion. I would have just liked us to have really pushed for a couple of marquee signings, seeing as though we've lost a couple in the form of Stones and Lukaku.
32 Posted 09/07/2017 at 07:14:52
If our attack contains Sigurdsson, Rooney, Klaassen and possibly Giroud that looks far too slow to me.
I would have thought it would be Rooney OR Sigurdsson. Not both. What we need now is a reliable central goal scorer, preferably one capable of holding the ball up (Giroud, or maybe Iheanacho) and then a Mirallas upgrade.
I'd love us to make a serious bid for a Thomas Lemar. It's very ambitious, Spurs and Arse want him, but beating these types of clubs to players would be a far bigger statement than bringing Rooney back...
33 Posted 09/07/2017 at 07:29:55
34 Posted 09/07/2017 at 07:51:39
Kenny (in my opinion a better right-back than Holgate, whilst Coleman is injured..
Jagielka (based on end-of-season form)
Based on players signed and fit to date.
IMO, we must add another two strikers centre half, and Sigurdsson would be a great signing.
Robinson offers left-back cover for Baines, Coleman and Bolasie to return from injury and other options in:
Not a bad blend of youth and experience.
35 Posted 09/07/2017 at 07:58:51
36 Posted 09/07/2017 at 08:40:54
37 Posted 09/07/2017 at 08:55:13
38 Posted 09/07/2017 at 09:07:56
What's best, a player with pace or a team that moves the ball at pace?
I prefer a team that can move the ball quickly and decisively. Players always look faster if they are moving on to the ball and turning defenders. The likes of Sigurdsson can spot a run and thread a ball to a player moving forward at full speed against a retreating defender.
Speed of thought often counters pace without guile.
39 Posted 09/07/2017 at 09:30:21
Ever the optimist eh! Do you have the number for Dignitas just in case things go RIGHT?
40 Posted 09/07/2017 at 09:38:30
41 Posted 09/07/2017 at 09:41:56
Yes the team will likely take some time to gel but the players bought are class players who should adapt quickly.
I don't see Rooney on the bench I think he will play as the main striker which is his best position and he is more than capable of scoring a lot of goals with this standard of player around him and Sandro doing his running and creating space.
I can't believe some of the negativity are these people the same ones who said Lukaku was a waste of money at £28m??
42 Posted 09/07/2017 at 09:54:13
There is also the issue of a shed load of games, suspensions, injuries and so on to deal with. I don't think even Rooney expects to play every minute of every game. They will all get enough opportunities to help the cause to keep them sweet and competitive, and we'll be the better for it.
Keep buying, Ron, until we can buy no more. Retail therapy? Didn't realise how much of a buzz it was!
43 Posted 09/07/2017 at 09:59:39
I would rather have Barkley than Siggudsson.
44 Posted 09/07/2017 at 10:25:08
We have a good solid team now and bench. We still need a couple more players but we will be able to replace quality with quality.
45 Posted 09/07/2017 at 10:35:20
It just feels good and I want us to get all of our realistic buying targets this window, and maybe one or two of the unrealistic ones. What's Ronaldo's buy out fee?
46 Posted 09/07/2017 at 10:53:14
47 Posted 09/07/2017 at 10:57:12
You're worried about where two, quite different, players will fit in the '11'? Who cares? We'll use 14 players every game, probably 18-20 every week and around 25-30 over the course of the season.
We want as many top quality players who can win matches as possible. We want 25 first team players and we want to compete in four different competitions playing pretty much twice a week for the entire season.
To do that the only problem is whether Sigurdsson and Rooney will be enough or do we need more, not that we've got one so we don't need the other.
48 Posted 09/07/2017 at 10:58:29
49 Posted 09/07/2017 at 11:08:54
Yes he is very good from deadball situations but this is not the NFL you cant bring him on just to take free kicks. For me leave well alone. I also wonder, if we do sign Sigurdsson as well as Rooney, where does that leave the development for Tom Davies.
50 Posted 09/07/2017 at 11:19:10
We need one more central defender, cover at left back and now the most important signing of the summer a direct replacement for Rom.
51 Posted 09/07/2017 at 11:24:06
But who are these players making runs be?! I see only Sandro as a reliable first team option in this mood.
It's about balance surely. You need players who can see and thread the balls but you also need some pace and movement to provide those runs. I see excess of the former and not enough of the latter.
And the 'we need lots of players' argument is pretty unhelpful. By that criteria let's just buy everyone! I'd rather buy the types of players we lack first before we start doubling up...
52 Posted 09/07/2017 at 11:44:41
Gk - Pickford / Stekelenburg
Rb - Coleman / Kenny (Holgate)
Rcb - Keane / Jagielka / Holgate
Lcb - Williams / Funes Mori / Pennington
Lb - Baines / Robinson
Dmf - Gana / Besic
Deep midfielder - Schneiderlin / Barry
Box-to-Box - Davies / McCarthy
No. 10 - Klaassen / Barkley
Lw - Mirallas / Lookman
Rw - Bolasie / Lennon
Cf - Rooney / Sandro / Calvert-Lewin
Under Koeman, we don't often play a right-midfielder. We allow our No 10 to drift to the right, but leave space for Coleman to break into. Based on that where are the problem areas?
We need a long-term Barry replacement and a decent LCB (assuming Funes Mori gets moved on). Everything else is replacing departing players like McCarthy, if they go.
53 Posted 09/07/2017 at 11:46:28
It's going to cost us about £20m in wages for a 2 year deal which is peanuts in the grand scheme of things. He wont be a starter every game but his very presence will have a massively positive impact on the club.
It's a bargain, its going to happen, so get behind him and the club... and enjoy the ride like the rest of us...
54 Posted 09/07/2017 at 11:52:50
Personally another top striker would be the obvious move to compliment Sandro.
55 Posted 09/07/2017 at 11:56:31
I think we've already had £30m rejected elsewhere and read yesterday somewhere we'd gone back with £32M. I remain convinced the final figure will be closer to £35M which I think is representative market value.
(I.e. we think Barkley is apparently worth £40M+)
With Siggy in then it's all about other forward options for him (and Rooney) to feed and Sandro to play off. We clearly need someone with height and presence, which is why I think Giroud makes sense, although I'd also like to see a Dembele type if the cash is there (if we do spend another £50M+ on Siggy + Giroud I suspect further forwards will decent require sales first - McCarthy and/or Barkley being obvious options). Relatedly, I actually think McCarthy to Leicester is a good move all round, they badly missed a defensive mid.
56 Posted 09/07/2017 at 11:59:28
My point was that when a team moves the ball quickly, defenders can be wrong footed and forced to turn. Players don't think have to be lightning quick when facing a turning opponent as long as they already have decent forward momentum.
Too many times last season it appeared to me that defences could organise themselves to quite easily deal with a slow build up by Everton. I'm pretty sure that we would all like a side capable of incisive football. Sigurdsson and even Wayne Rooney offer a bit more in that aspect than our present midfield can , in my opinion.
BTW, I would love Ross to develop that side of his game because he has shown he can do it in the past.
57 Posted 09/07/2017 at 12:05:07
We have Pickford, Keane, Sandro, and probably Rooney. I am very pleased with those signings. If the others had arrived I'd have been ecstatic.
I still hope we can get Van Dijk and Vardy.
Just afraid I'm going to wake up and find out we've actually bought Deeney and Walters which would have been the old EFC!
58 Posted 09/07/2017 at 14:57:39
He has had so many opportunities, to make a statement, both for us and England, but apart from the odd game, basically, he has flattered to deceive.
59 Posted 09/07/2017 at 16:19:53
60 Posted 09/07/2017 at 16:35:56
61 Posted 09/07/2017 at 16:42:54
Yeah, it was all those goals Lukaku scored that hurt Barkley. All his fault that Barkley takes 5 seconds to do a 180-degree turn with the ball, constantly got caught in possession, couldn't pick his head up while on the ball, and couldn't even be named as a reserve to the England squad.
You want to talk about poor first touch, Barkley takes that award hands down. It's all the managers that have it wrong with Barkley. Funny how not a single club has come in for him, don't ya think?
62 Posted 09/07/2017 at 17:53:15
The Sig is very near to completing...
63 Posted 09/07/2017 at 18:01:43
With Lukaku gone, I can see Barkley being converted to a forward, isn't that what he started off as?
I would love Sigurdsson here and show Barkley the ropes to playing his position. I can see both co-exist. Then again, I'm optimistic.
64 Posted 09/07/2017 at 18:03:56
65 Posted 09/07/2017 at 18:07:02
66 Posted 09/07/2017 at 18:12:01
Coleman, Williams, Keane, Baines
Sigurdsson, Rooney, Ramirez
67 Posted 09/07/2017 at 18:13:04
68 Posted 09/07/2017 at 18:14:48
Let's hope so, I've always been a big fan. There seems to be a lot of reaction that says we need quicker players but what I like about our acquisitions is that we will have a lot more goalscoring options.
The last four years have pretty much been a one man show, but in Klaassen, Sandro, Rooney and hopefully Sigurdsson we have four players who can get double figures.
69 Posted 09/07/2017 at 18:18:40
70 Posted 09/07/2017 at 19:32:44
Klaassen is going to be the main man I think. Injuries and a good run in Europe means everyone should be getting decent game time. If Sigurdsson is signed, then that's bye-bye to Barkley. Another centre-forward will surely be signed too.
71 Posted 09/07/2017 at 19:50:52
72 Posted 09/07/2017 at 20:55:23
He also got told this is nowhere near the end of our spending...
73 Posted 09/07/2017 at 21:18:27
Kenny (Coleman), Williams (Jagielka), Keane (Funes Mori), Baines (Robinson)
Schneiderlin (Barry), Gueye (McCarthy)
Rooney (Bolasie), Davies (Mirallas), Klaassen (Lookman)
Plus: Besic, Holgate, Williams, Dowell, Walsh, and Pennington all maybe pushing through = wow!
Add in another decent keeper if Robles goes, a top class striker (Giroud/Ariel type) and maybe Sigurdsson as additional cover for the '3 musketeers' behind the striker, and we will be absolutely smokin' ;)
Just a shame Barkley had ballsed things up this long. The thought of him alongside Tom and Wayne in a derby is one to drool on. Ah well... four scousers still ain't bad!!
74 Posted 09/07/2017 at 21:29:48
75 Posted 09/07/2017 at 21:35:48
Barkley definitely has all the tools in his locker, but for some reason he's not able to put it all together regularly enough on the pitch.
He's also clearly being told by his agents that he's a superstar and can secure a role at a top club, which is a shame as I'd love him to play a part in the exciting new team that we're building and hopefully improve along with it.
76 Posted 09/07/2017 at 22:27:22
Delighted if we sign Siggy.
77 Posted 09/07/2017 at 22:55:23
Get the Siggy deal done and give Barkley a hairdryer. That boy needs to stop listening to his agent.
78 Posted 09/07/2017 at 23:12:27
Getting all these players for me would mean the end for the likes of Barry, McCarthy, Besic even.
79 Posted 09/07/2017 at 23:14:35
Wonder if he'll be the same player?
We seem a little weak on that right side now most notably the wing, Coleman done the job of a RB and a winger most of the time but think we are just lacking a bit on that side.
Rooney in the bag. Looks like siggy could sign in the next few days so who else is next after that.
Girould or Dembele from Celtic. Think Dembele got more potential but risky coming from the Scottish league. Having said that Dyjk come from the Scottish league to Soto and he comes with a 60m price tag.
Need to eventually replace the aging Baines as well hasn't been the same player since pienarr and Baines partnership last season Moyes was in charge.
80 Posted 09/07/2017 at 23:39:20
81 Posted 09/07/2017 at 00:07:31
Talking of poor first touches and giving up possession am sure like me you are glad we just sold one who always struggled with that part of his game.
82 Posted 09/07/2017 at 00:29:31
I think only two; Baines and Holgate. Gueye is a maybe + Kenny might have a chance at right-back but I think Holgate's experience will put him higher in Koeman's estimation.
83 Posted 10/07/2017 at 01:03:48
84 Posted 10/07/2017 at 02:37:48
Still think we need someone with real pace to feed off all the breathtaking through balls these lads are going to provide.
85 Posted 10/07/2017 at 02:54:16
It's crazy that people suggest accepting half the amount for Barkley.
"He's also clearly being told by his agents that he's a superstar and can secure a role at a top club, which is a shame as I'd love him to play a part in the exciting new team that we're building and hopefully improve along with it."
We don't know what his agents are saying. He was clearly told out in public by Koeman that he wasn't good enough. That was a shame, to give it one description.
86 Posted 10/07/2017 at 03:00:04
We still need some attackers to partner Sandro. I would like to see Dembele and Girroud. Strikers come before another midfielder. I also think Davies is a future England International and needs game time.
I also cannot believe the number of posts that include Gueye and Schneiderlin in a future Blues team. Why do we need 2 defensive midfielders in the same team? If we want to break in to the top 4 then we are going to have to change the system to wanting to win each game rather than not to lose.
None of the top 4 clubs from last year played with 2 defensive midfielders and so we are going to have to change the way we play. So I would really like to understand why we need both? We also need pace in midfield and upfront and I am not sure Sigurdsson provides this.
Also, I watched Klaassen in the Europa League final against Man Utd and he hardly touched the ball so I was not too impressed. So it is definitely another striker we need at this moment.
87 Posted 10/07/2017 at 03:04:22
Three seasons have passed since Sigurdsson's "failure" at Spurs.
In those three seasons:
Sigurdsson (112 appearances, League and Cup): 30 goals, 30 assists
Barkley (123 appearances, League and Cup): 20 goals, 19 assists
That might be a small hint as to why "so many want Ross replaced by a player four years older "
88 Posted 10/07/2017 at 03:30:12
I mentioned a while ago that we'd be lucky to get £15 to 20m let alone the 50m it was stated at the time. I got poo pooed (wanted to write this just to use that phrase) by many but it's not looking good for the lad if we do indeed land Sigurdsson. Which I expect us to do now Lukaku has gone and we have further funds. The buying team knows this along with his contract and along with the fact Koeman doesn't really fancy him. All that points to around a £15m to 20m valuation, if we're lucky.
Assuming we get Sigurdsson, Barkley will be 4th choice (depending on formation, he could be further down the pecking order) and it's pretty much his own fault as he hasn't signed a bloody decent contract by all accounts.
One final thing. Koeman has only said what most of us realised on here, he needs to improve. And he hasn't. Although foolhardy for getting a good price for him, I'm guessing it was designed to wake him up, and it didn't really work. Barkley has all the talent in the world but there is something seriously lacking in him to push him on. What that is, I don't know.
So in short, if we were offered £15 to 20 mill for him, I'd snap their hands off right now.
89 Posted 10/07/2017 at 04:59:56
I think at home especially Gueye is most at risk and should be. Despite his obvious talents, he's limited on the ball.
Two defensive midfielders so many times last year, betrayed by the substitutions so early in games.
Winning more games is about attacking and Koeman will have to show me his dour pragmatism was just that, based on limited attacking options last year.
I would hope with the injection of players Koeman has been given a target and expectation to meet. Otherwise whats the point!?
90 Posted 10/07/2017 at 05:12:49
Given that and other factors, I feel Barkley's figures stand up quite well. Other factors being: the different style played by Swansea, having never had a goal scorer near Lukaku's return. The mess of Roberto's team in the quoted period. The very precise passes often required to assist Lukaku. The lack of movement of Lukaku. Koeman's tactics often seen away from home. And, I believe, not the best relationship between player and manager.
Ross takes no penalties. I admit Sigurdsson is a free-kick specialist. His corners and dead ball deliveries are better (Assists), though Ross has shown equal in this area in the past.
Those stats in the context of the above are not so bad. People talk about Barkley as if he's crap. Many use ridiculous and flawed selective memory, or just rubbish, someone recently "Sick of his lack of pace"!
I could dissect further and link specific Barkley goals and assists that I feel Sigurdsson has neither the pace or dribbling abilities to deliver. How far to go?
Sigurdsson is an accomplished and mostly consistent player. He isn't I feel, the 90 minute midfield dynamo that some may expect. He's also a little slow and sometimes static. There are things he can't do that Barkley can. Put quotes around it by all means, but he failed to make it at Spurs. The same manager/club appears keen on Barkley.
James in post 86 below you, states what a few have noted more recently Koeman doesn't fancy him. There's plenty of evidence. That could conceivably be a big factor in where Ross is right now.
91 Posted 10/07/2017 at 05:19:18
92 Posted 10/07/2017 at 05:28:46
You're technically correct in your assessment of the financial aspect, should it pan out in a certain way. I probably didn't word that as I should've.
It seems ludicrous to me at least, there's a possibility of paying two and a half times or more for Sigurdsson, than we might get for Barkley. In quality terms alone, this is regrettable, and ultimately wasteful.
I agree that Barkley needed some help. Hailed as a master coach, I hoped Koeman might facilitate. We might never know what was possible, because frankly, he's handled Ross very badly in my opinion.
93 Posted 10/07/2017 at 05:36:02
If you look at the stats over past 2 years, their isn't a lot of difference to justify amount that Swansea want.
Ross has played 74 premier league games, has scored 13 and had 16 assists.
Gylfi has also played 74, has scored 20 and had 16 assists.
Ross created 67 chances to Gylfi's 62, and was third highest and only behind Christian Eriksen and Kevin De Bruyne.
I also personally think Koeman doesn't fancy him, to the point of publicly demanding him to perform better or be dropped on several occasions. Whilst other players who constantly underperformed like Lukaku were praised.
I also personally think that's why he hasn't signed the contract on offer as he feels under appreciated. I just can't see the contract being offered as the only sticking point (that's if it is £100k a week as quoted as he's on £40,000 now).
If it is money related, then Tottenham definitely won't be bidding for him as Christian Eriksen who was the top creator in the league last year is only on £75k a week and Dele Alli is only on £50k a week.
I'd take losing him for £15-20M as someone mentioned earlier than lose him for nothing.
94 Posted 10/07/2017 at 05:42:57
Haven't checked the stats (I'll let Mike do that as he likes his stats 😉) but I'm guessing we've scored a lot more goals and created more chances than Swansea over this period. So for someone like Sig to have those stats is remarkable and in a better team he'll go to the next level!? Unless it's spurs!
For what it's worth I think Barkley has had his chance, time and time again, so I wouldnt be disappointed if we replaced him with Sig as on current form hes an upgrade.
95 Posted 10/07/2017 at 05:49:49
Now, If Ross wants to go, fair enough, but he should have afforded us the dignity of being straight and saying so. Instead, we are subject to these games played by him and his grubby agent.
Frankly speaking, EFC doesn't deserve that. I believe he wanted to 'manufacture the appearance' of being force out. Thankfully Koeman and the club did not take the bait.
If we has not signed up by the beginning of the season, Koeman shouldn't play him (bar injuries). It's a World Cup year, if Ross is so deluded and money orientated that the prospect of a few extra grand somewhere else is enough to make him throw a season away with his boyhood club, then so be it.
96 Posted 10/07/2017 at 06:15:30
Ref Ashley 84, this could also be what Koeman is aiming for, a more attack minded midfield over a defensive.
More options for if a Plan A doesn't work, you never know I suppose.
I read an article recently that West Brom were keen on Barry, that coupled with the rumoured interest in McCarthy by Newcastle and Burnley.
Koeman might be trying to reduce the number of defensive midfielders and replacing with more creative midfielders.
97 Posted 10/07/2017 at 06:54:09
Will Mabon, I certainly don't think Barkley is "crap", but I think only an Everton fan with fuzzy glasses (better wipe yours off, Mr Currie!) would consider him to be a better player than Sigurdsson. I've watched the two players a lot, and IMO it's no contest. The biggest difference is one that isn't covered in the statistics... mistakes. Ross turns the ball over in bad situations and puts his defense under stress. Sigurdsson simply doesn't. He's as safe and intelligent on the ball as any player in the Premier Leaguue. He makes good choices. That's Ross' biggest weakness.
My guess... and it's only that... is that both will be with us come August, and their competition for that position should be fun to watch. But we will need both in this grinder of a season.
98 Posted 10/07/2017 at 06:54:23
99 Posted 10/07/2017 at 07:44:32
In terms of senior wide players we have Bolasie (injured), Mirallas, Lennon and possibly Sandro vying probably for two roles.
We seem far shorter on quality options who provide width to my eye and well stocked for central playmakers. Perhaps you could play Rooney or Barkley out wide but I don't think it suits them.
I like Sigurdsson but I just don't see him as a top 4 player or with the potential to develop into one. A lot of his influence derives from his brilliant set-piece delivery though I wonder who would be taking set-pieces in a team that also contains Rooney and Sandro.
I'd rather add someone who adds lightning pace, work rate movement and perpetual motion in the way of Mane, Son or Sane to stretch the defences so the likes of Rooney and Klaassen have someone to pick out. I guess Sandro will be doing this too but I think another option is needed.
100 Posted 10/07/2017 at 09:23:14
That question is for Geoff Lambert!! 😁 (Don't usually use emojis, but I can't wipe the smile off my face at present)
101 Posted 10/07/2017 at 09:39:35
As for the Barry and McCarthy potential departures, we would have Schneiderlin, Gueye, Davies and Besic for the defensive side of things in midfield, maybe then Ross could be given a more box to box role like what we might expect Klaassen to do.
On a side note, wouldn't it be great to see Baines, Davies, Barkley and Rooney all in the same team, four local blues playing for their club.
102 Posted 10/07/2017 at 09:40:56
103 Posted 10/07/2017 at 09:45:02
Ronald, what happened to high intensity and high pressing game? Or have you revised your ideas to slow slow and slower still?
104 Posted 10/07/2017 at 09:49:15
If Barkley, McCarthy, Mori leave then certainly need to replace Mori like for like, but not sure about replacing the other two, if the 3 signings above pan out.
White seems Moshiris chosen one for some reason and certainly called Rooney right.
105 Posted 10/07/2017 at 10:02:38
Spurs reject really a better long term prospect than Ross? I calculate we are still a few million in credit on the deals made up to now but further sales will be made to fund any more acquisitions and Ross would be the biggest asset in that respect. I therefor fear the worst.
106 Posted 10/07/2017 at 10:14:37
Reports already saying conversations have taken place between Koeman and Giroud, but who knows how true that is?
Best to leave it all until the fat lady sings and see what we've got when the window closes. My bet it will be better collectively than what we started with.
107 Posted 10/07/2017 at 10:25:48
108 Posted 10/07/2017 at 11:29:47
109 Posted 10/07/2017 at 11:49:49
110 Posted 10/07/2017 at 12:04:58
111 Posted 10/07/2017 at 12:15:30
112 Posted 10/07/2017 at 12:17:14
113 Posted 10/07/2017 at 12:20:56
Much will depend on the player in this I suspect, who could more than double his wages. He has let it be known he wants to go reportedly.
114 Posted 10/07/2017 at 12:22:13
Just because a player doesn't succeed at one club it doesn't necessarily mean he won't make it at another. If that were the case, we wouldn't have got the Lukaku goals, Man City wouldn't have got De Bruyne, Liverpool wouldn't have Salah.
And sometimes the opposite applies as Chelsea found out after they signed Torres from Liverpool.
115 Posted 10/07/2017 at 12:25:21
Soon see if he was ambitious or purely money driven, that's as long as a £32m bid was accepted, which would be eventually if he said "Not going to Leicester, I want to join the Everton revolution."
116 Posted 10/07/2017 at 12:29:42
A very formidable front 4. Sigurdsson would set up Giroud for countless heading opportunities, much like he has done this season for Llorente.
117 Posted 10/07/2017 at 12:44:38
118 Posted 10/07/2017 at 12:57:10
119 Posted 10/07/2017 at 12:58:56
One rumour though probably bollocks was a swap plus £2m with Barkley.
120 Posted 10/07/2017 at 13:05:24
121 Posted 10/07/2017 at 13:14:19
122 Posted 10/07/2017 at 14:14:21
Pay Ross what he is asking for and/ compromise better player with more potential and effectively a free transfer. If Ross has set his mind on going and this is not about cash for him (which I suspect is the case), we are well stocked with Number 10s anyway and should invest all the cash in a striker
123 Posted 10/07/2017 at 14:16:39
But; Sandro, Bolasie, Coleman, Mirallas, Lennon, Lookman,& Klaassen. All of these players are pacey. All can take a player on and they all know where the net is!!
Whoever we bring in will be a good fit to the rest of the squad. I trust Walsh and I trust Koeman. I don't think Giroud will be the answer IMHO. I think the striker will be someone from the continent who can do the job. But time will tell.
124 Posted 10/07/2017 at 14:18:07
One report stating that the player has agreed, as have Swansea, then we see today, that It's £50M or nothing.
Could someone please enlighten me?
125 Posted 10/07/2017 at 14:31:20
It also sounds like he's settled in the valleys so good luck to him and we move on.
As for Giroud and his misses enjoying the London night life well he's never had a bevvy in Liverpool on a Friday night followed by a kebab and chips, has he? Doesn't know what he's missing.
126 Posted 10/07/2017 at 14:34:54
127 Posted 10/07/2017 at 14:37:37
Apparently they are all valued £50 million.
128 Posted 10/07/2017 at 14:43:58
Apparently Marseille are after him, so better move quick. I think at £25-30 million, it's a steal, and if he goes to them, he'll bang in the goals over there. Then someone in England will have to pay at least double for him a year later.
Sigurdsson at £50 million as quoted today is a no from me. Keep Barkley, and move on to more needed positions. Think we need a backup for Baines or replacement. At least one more pacey winger and one more striker as well as Dembele.
129 Posted 10/07/2017 at 14:44:17
On another note, we've yet to see anything come from Walsh and his entourage' trip to Italy. Could there be business to come from that or were they just on a jolly?
130 Posted 10/07/2017 at 14:59:45
Bolasie is injured and Lennon has not played for a while, he may or may not be up to it. Coleman is a defender (and injured). That leaves us with Sandro, Mirallas (who is a picture of inconsistency) and Lookman (who is a kid with a handful of Premier League minutes, though I rate him highly).
We need more to my eye.
131 Posted 10/07/2017 at 15:01:53
Come on, Walsh what else have you got up your sleeve?
132 Posted 10/07/2017 at 15:03:05
133 Posted 10/07/2017 at 15:15:36
134 Posted 10/07/2017 at 15:20:58
135 Posted 10/07/2017 at 15:23:10
I have seen him play. His first touch is brilliant and so is his decision making. His pace; okay he's not Electric or anything but he's not slow. In Holland in can still beat players on the run WITH the ball.
I know about the injuries. But they will be back this season. Coleman, yes he's a defender and??? Are you saying he may not contribute to anymore of our attacking play?? The guy scores for fun!
Lookman? Yes he is young. Great Plan B? No? 1-nil up with gaps appearing, put him on and play some counter attacking football, with Sandro and Lookman being fed by a quick thinking Klaassen. Works for me.
I agree some more pace would be good. And I think Koeman & Walsh know it too. I just don't think, as others do, that we have no pace.
136 Posted 10/07/2017 at 15:33:58
137 Posted 10/07/2017 at 15:44:59
We stated clearly how much we wanted for Rom, got close to that without us then increasing price, from what I know we offered around £27 Million, they wanted £32 Million, we then upped the bid and then wanted £35 Million, now upped our bid and price now £50 Million.
Up yours, Swansea, not a chance at that price, and if Swansea had a £40 Million bid from Leicester they would have taken it.
138 Posted 10/07/2017 at 15:45:54
139 Posted 10/07/2017 at 16:00:02
7. Robin Van Persie
9. Mauro Icardi
15. Harry Arter.
140 Posted 10/07/2017 at 16:02:04
We've lost Lukaku, Kone, Valencia, and we'll be losing/loaning Niasse; we need to bring in more striking reinforcements than Rooney and Sandro we're only really carrying Calvert-Lewin (and Mirallas) over from last year.
Arnautovic is proven in the Premier League, is fairly versatile, and is not easily intimidated. I'd be interested.
141 Posted 10/07/2017 at 16:03:23
Or a cheeky bid for James Rodriquez at Real Madrid you don't know if you don't ask.
142 Posted 10/07/2017 at 16:06:37
We will then have a front 3 and can choose from: Mirallas, Sandro, Lookman, Dembele / Dolberg, Bacca, Rooney, Calvert-Lewin, Barkley, and Bolasie.
(Klaassen will play in the midfield 3 if you were wondering).
143 Posted 10/07/2017 at 16:15:31
144 Posted 10/07/2017 at 17:23:54
145 Posted 10/07/2017 at 17:25:32
146 Posted 10/07/2017 at 17:28:39
With that in mind, we have Sandro and Mirallas who are fit, senior players. Yes, I hope Lookman will play a role but I still think we need more than that. I've not seen many people saying we have no pace but agree with those saying we need some more.
The likes of Dembele, Gray, Iheanacho etc might help.
147 Posted 10/07/2017 at 17:30:02
148 Posted 10/07/2017 at 17:32:56
149 Posted 10/07/2017 at 17:33:28
With "whipped" cream!
150 Posted 10/07/2017 at 17:42:24
Great centre forward, Vince. I would love to see him in an Everton shirt.
Athletico bound, though, mate.
151 Posted 10/07/2017 at 17:45:32
152 Posted 10/07/2017 at 17:55:59
Sounds like something for their fans all this, but we shall no doubt see in due course.
153 Posted 10/07/2017 at 18:06:01
154 Posted 10/07/2017 at 18:28:19
Now that we are a moneybags club (never thought we'd be saying that about Everton again) this kind of resistance is something we'll have to get used to. Not to worry. Plenty more fish in the footy sea.
155 Posted 10/07/2017 at 18:57:16
No fuzzy glasses here, my opinion is Ross is a better player than Sigurdsson and would rather have him in the Everton team.
Lots of fans agree and lots disagree; your opinion is not greater than mine.
156 Posted 10/07/2017 at 19:35:34
157 Posted 10/07/2017 at 20:12:51
So if he leaves they'll probably be relegated. Probably not worth selling from their point of view but if the player's head is turned then it can become poisonous.
I hated it when Chelsea took Scott Parker and Sidwell only to basically relagate Charlton and Reading. The same with Charlie Adam and the Red Shite basically relegating Blackpool.
I think we should look elsewhere and pick on someone else. We've already nicked their captain and left them in the shit.
158 Posted 10/07/2017 at 20:46:46
Who knows... maybe buying Keane will get Burnley relegated. Should we give him back and ask for a refund?
159 Posted 10/07/2017 at 21:24:54
160 Posted 10/07/2017 at 21:30:45
161 Posted 10/07/2017 at 21:32:47
I am not convinced by sigurdsson anyway. A slightly more productive Barkley. For that money I want a Sane figure last year. Young, bags of potential and truly going to the top of the game. Sigurdsson is a good player. He isn't anywhere near that level though.
162 Posted 10/07/2017 at 21:50:18
I like him for £30-35m overpaying a bit but £50m is basically giving them a golden parachute into the Championship.
163 Posted 10/07/2017 at 21:56:52
164 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:25:15
Asking £50m for a player in a team who will IMO struggle in the bottom six next season is a risk, relegation will dent the valuation hugely and they could come January in a poor position lose him for far less.
I think Everton are moving on from this target and looking elsewhere now, nice to have not an urgent requirement.
165 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:41:43
£45m is way too much, we should find an alternative, Marhez, William or Mata are all quality and any of them could be bought for around £30m.
166 Posted 11/07/2017 at 10:55:21
Or they will keep him, bet relegated anyway and then be a forced seller because they can't pay his wages and his value will have dropped another year on.
Its in their own interests to be realistic. This is why we sold that striker we just offloaded (OFS our former striker).
167 Posted 11/07/2017 at 15:17:37
I think there is much more to this management malarkey than is given credit for, in all team sports...Just that the commercial pressures (sic. rewards) are so much greater.
Also I am keen to see what impact, if any, Wayne may have on Ross. Perhaps none, but if there were a positive influence, the thought of an in-form, all out attack from the front mind-set of the pair plus the drive of Sandro, then that would be really something for Sigurdsson to play into.
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