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Anthony Jones
1 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:24:18
Is this piece a joke, Lyndon?

"Dzeko who would be a popular choice among Evertonians"...

"The Belgian, once likened along with Lukaku by former Belgian boss Marc Wilmota to a lamp post"...

Well, it make me laugh any way.

Tanvir Akram
2 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:26:27
Dzeko yes, but he is 31.

Benteke, oh God, please no!

Derek Knox
3 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:29:44
Edin Dzeko, if we could get him, would be far better than Giroud, in my humble opinion, but at 31 and £30M sound a bit steep.
Gavin Johnson
4 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:30:19
Either Dzeko or Benteke in that order. I should imagine that Benteke won't be popular with some who probably see him as a RS reject but I've always rated him.

I remember watching us at the start of last season when we had Bolasie putting cross after cross in and thinking Benteke would have got a few goals where Rom wasn't having much success.

I can't think of a striker in the Prem who can head a ball as effectively. We changed our play as the season went on so wouldn't play to Benteke's strengths as much now.

Paul Baker
5 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:34:12
Before laughing at Benteke links, hear me out. The way I see it, there are at least three different reasons it might be good business:

1) He's a monster in the air. Do you really need me telling you what would happen if we bring in Sigurdsson too?

2) The team he's scored most goals in his career is... (yep, you guessed it!) Liverpool, whose goalkeepers he beat seven times in nine outings.

3) He couldn't score against us on the other hand, could he?

Peter Laing
6 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:34:33
Alan Myers doing a lot of teasing on twitter with Vardy also thrown into the mix. Underwhelmed by all 3 players – feel we need a marque young signing.
Brent Stephens
7 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:36:21
Personally, I don't think Sandro was seen as the Lukaku replacement. Just a gut feel. In which case, I can't see why we'd be seeking a trade-off between cost and ability – ie, not buying somebody who is "quite good " and whose price is "reasonable.

Surely it's got to be big money on a big name – we need to replace Lukaku's goals – as well as getting more goals from the recent signings.

Dave Speed
8 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:39:27
Neither please. Rooney has now filled the elder statesman vacancy (and I am chuffed BTW), and, apart from Giroud who is a class act, we don't want any more.

Benteke? No thanks. He is one of the worst "I'll play when I could be arsed" players I have ever seen. It's not like he's a Beardsley or Ablett, who did well at the RS. He struggled there and we would never live it down if he did the same here.

Paul Baker
9 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:39:49
@Peter 6

He claims the unnamed striker hasn't been mentioned yet as an Everton target, plays in the Premier League, isn't English and would cost around £30 million.

If true (and it might as well be absolute bollocks), all this allows you to narrow the search to pretty much four names and these are: Benteke, Slimani, Batshuayi and Bony.

Peter Laing
10 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:40:28
Benteke, Giroud and Sirgurdson according to Myers. Giroud doesn't want to leave Arsenal and the numbers being bandied around personally I don't feel we would be getting value for money.
Peter Laing
11 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:42:05
Benteke it is – big risk with that Achilles tendon injury
Joe Hurst
12 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:43:42
I would consider Mario Mandzukic long before Benteke myself. Although Benteke is quite familiar with the Premier League, he has had enough time to show the razzmatazz that we're all hoping for from the vacated spot left by Lukaku.

Yes we have candidates already like Ramirez and Rooney, but a 'blockbuster' striker signing, to round off an already exciting transfer window would be great fun.

Brent Stephens
13 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:46:03
You never know. They could be thinking Firmino! Agh! Or Sturridge! Agh!!
Iain Love
14 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:54:34
Koeman likes a big bloke upfront. Benteke is certainly great in the air although Dzeko is a better all round player.

I'd prefer Giroud but, if that's not going to happen, Llorente would be a good shout.

James Stewart
15 Posted 10/07/2017 at 22:55:52
Benteke just please god no. He makes Lukaku look mobile!

Giroud all day long. Dzeko is a decent backup option or even Llorente at Swansea. Personally would much rather we went for a complete striker than a pure target man though.

Gordon White
16 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:00:55
Benteke? Your having a giraffe aren't you? And Dzeko? As Dave (#8) said, we've filled the elder statesmen role. At thIs rate they'll be swapping Sport Pesa for SAGA.

And we don't want a "Lukaku replacement" either. We want someone who doesn't switch off when we lose the ball. Oh yeah, and has some pride in the shirt and respect for the fans

Brent Stephens
17 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:01:36
This is our problem now, isn't it? We had a 20+ goal-a-season striker, now gone.

We need another striker who'll get 20+ each season. As well as our recent signings chipping in with some more (to bridge an obvious gap in the past in back-up scoring for Lukaku).

Who is a 20+ plus striker, who is available, and who would be willing to join us?

Steavey Buckley
18 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:06:06
I watched Benteke playing for Belgium against Russia, and Martinez has improved his game, by having him move out to the left and use his pace and strength to move forward, instead of being just a stagnant target man.

Martinez did the same for Lukaku. So, for all his faults, Martinez has worked wonders on certain players, and made a nice tidy sum of cash for Everton with combined eventual sales of £150 million for Stones and Lukaku. Thanks, Martinez.

Mike Green
19 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:07:12
For £30m, Brent.
Eddie Dunn
20 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:07:41
I am not put off at having an "older" striker. We have lots of young lads in the squad, and there really is no reason not to spend £30 mill on a guy around the 30 mark.

In a year or two they can be replaced, as the likes of Calvert-Lewin and Lookman come of age.

We were allegedly looking at Pele last year. The likes of him or Giraud/Benteke can all do a job. It could work out but it isn't the end of the world if it doesn't.

A good target man bringing others into the game, good hold-up play and a good header of the ball, will be a welcome sight. I can see Rooney slipping some sumptuous passes to feet or onto the head of such a player.

Neil Wood
21 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:10:18
Gabriel Barbosa – That's who we should be looking at.

And Giroud to go with.

Simples!

John Mckay
22 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:17:00
I'm hoping we get Dembele absolutely smashing them in up in Scotland. I know it would be completely different in the Premier League but he has got the potential to get near 20+.

It's hard to say who to get. Gabbiadini at Soto who we was mooted to get I thought done really well from the games I seen him play.

Chris Gallagher
23 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:22:53
Blimey, we're into meta-rumours now, are we? Well, here's my shout: My rumour for the next rumour is... Diego Costa.
Gordon White
24 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:23:47
A 20+ goal striker. Who would disagree? But if it were a choice between that and having several players banging goals in.

If Man Utd rely too much on Lukaku, as we've done, they may come unstuck when it matters, as we did. He's been very lucky with injuries, or lack of them, up until now. And he did have dips in form/barren periods.

20 goal striker? Yes please. But we can't afford to have all our eggs in one basket.

Kieran Kinsella
25 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:27:14
Benteke's problem at Liverpool was supposedly that he didn't like to press, and work off the ball. Given the situation with Deulofeu, he doesn't sound like a Koeman player.
David Pearl
26 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:32:51
I think we should try for Perez from Arsenal, on loan... and save our money while our current signings and team take shape.
Chris Watts
27 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:33:00
I can't see the point in either. Let's go large and get James Rodriguez. With him coming on the right and Sandro on the left with Giroud in the middle – Rooney, Klaassen behind, with Lookman and Bolasie also we'd have a genuine shot.

Seriously think we need a left back though. Bainesy looks finished as an attacking force and I'd love to see Luke Shaw fulfill his potential with us.

Dan Davies
28 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:33:07
Inheacho. Spell check!
Don Alexander
29 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:33:32
The sale of Bolingoli (and that's the name he gave the LA cops last week, but I'm not saying that "Lukaku" is as fake as some might say his commitment to us was!) having realised £75 mill the test is now as much on Mr Moshiri, again, as to what's available to spend. This morning "Talk-Shite's" Jim White said he'd yesterday been told by Mr M that three more "significant", by inference, signings were imminent.

Personally I was impressed by Benteke at Villa. If he could recapture those performances he'd easily displace Bolingoli from the Belgium team, but that was a few years and millions in salary ago. Is he hungry? Maybe not, but he is a beast in the air especially, unlike Bolingoli, and with a whipper-snapper like Sandro up front that could be a great partnership.

Dzeko was surrounded by mega-egotists at Citteh and seemed to me to have a Bolingoli-like craving for only the perfect pass. I therefore have my doubts.

Don't laugh, but I think we need a goal-scoring version of the Mark Hughes we saw at Goodison. He kept the ball so well, allowing enough time for even the likes of Tommy Grav and Carsley to cross the halfway line to support the attack. He was impervious to pain from defenders BUT he did'nae score.

I just wonder whether or not the lad Dembele at Celtic has got used to the school of hard knocks that is the SPL and, if so, given his goal-scoring, age and athleticism, is he the best UK based player for us?

Gordon Crawford
30 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:33:34
James (14) u totally agree. Benteke would be such a bad signing, it's laughable. Wouldn't bother with Edin too. We need fast mobile strikers with an eye for goal. Dembele from Celtic and maybe Walsh could dig out a gem. Mahrez would be a super addition too.
Brian Wilkinson
31 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:36:13
One who's not been linked, plays in the Premier League and not English, has also put a transfer request in is Marko Arnautović, just a thought.
Anthony Dwyer
32 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:38:38
Forget the age factor as it's not Championship Manager, we need a PremierLeague level striker who will guarantee goals.

Imo Giroud, Benteke and Dzeko are all more than capable of hitting 15+ goals for the next two seasons while Sandro finds his feet and better alternatives are found.

Chris Gould
33 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:39:04
I would take Dzeko in a heartbeat. He was criminally underused at Man City due to him not being a star name. Whenever he played he was dangerous. I think he would be great for us.

It's interesting how we're being linked to 3 forwards who are all fantastic in the air when we don't play with any width.

Sigurdsson has to be coming in if we're going for Benteke, Giroud, or Dzeko. He'll be in assist heaven.

Brian Wilkinson
34 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:40:21
In regards to Benteke, not a fan but in his defence over the road, it's well known they don't have out and out wingers crossing the balls out wide, different player when you are firing crosses over to him.
Brian Wilkinson
35 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:42:02
Same here, Chris @32, Dzeko would be a good signing.
Paul Dewhurst
36 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:50:09
Kieran (#24), I think Brian 33 hit the nail on the head at the shite they didn't cross a ball for someone who dominates in the air waste of time. Benteke, 42 in 89 at Villa w and 15 in 36 last season. But he didn't start playing till Big Sam got there as Pardew was taking them down.

Apart from 12 months in Mordor and the start of last season he's scored goals. I would take him if we can't get Giroud.

Just a thought – how many people have actually watched much of Dembele play? Say 10 or more full games?

Roberto Birquet
37 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:55:32
Blues have shown an interest in Roma striker Edin Dzeko who would be a more popular choice among Evertonians.

Than whom? Giroud? How is the 33-year old doing now? And £30 million for a player in his twilight playing years? I think not...

Len Hawkins
38 Posted 10/07/2017 at 23:59:22
John (#21),

Joe Harper was scoring for fun in Scotland; it soon dried up when Everton signed him. My granny, who has been dead for over 40 years, could play in Scotland.

Richard Reeves
39 Posted 10/07/2017 at 00:06:59
No to both.

Dembele or Doldberg and we will be in business.

Gavin Johnson
40 Posted 11/07/2017 at 00:07:11
Roberto,

Dzeko is only a year older than Giroud. On who's better, its hard to say. Giroud has had a decent record for 5 seasons, but Dzeko was decent at Man City and was scoring for fun at Roma last season.

John Mckay
41 Posted 10/07/2017 at 00:08:01
I haven't seen Dembele play much but he looks fast and knows where the net is. I thought we could have signed him when he was leaving Fulham.

The only other player similar to Lukaku is Bony, looked different class at Swansea, been shit since tho.

Not sure how many strikers out there that are like Lukaku that can get 20+ goals. Think we should swerve the Lukaku style striker anyway and go for someone who operates more like Kane.

Difficult trying to replace Lukaku though and that's why we just got £90m for him.

Even a 15-goals-a-season striker who also brings other players into play and creates a bit more would be Good, Lukaku only got them goals because he was selfish sometimes he shoot when should pass and miss opportunities. Donkey in a lot of games as well.

Jason Broome
42 Posted 11/07/2017 at 00:12:28
Loan Diego Costa.

1. He's in limbo and desperate to play in a world cup year.

2. Rushing to replace Lukaku is a dumb move as we are looking to pay over the top for half decent strikers.

3. It would give us a year to find a suitable striker who, like Sandro is young up and coming and won't cost the Earth.

4. Onyekuru would have arrived.

5. Costa would either leave us to join Atletico Madrid or we could convince him to stay.

6. Rooney, Costa, Sandro = Mouth watering.

7. It would make the ultimate statement of intent.

8. He scores for fun and knows the Premier League.

9. We could use the striker money to strengthen elsewhere.

Bob Hannigan
43 Posted 11/07/2017 at 00:13:31
I'd prefer a strong push for Giroud.
Geoff Williams
44 Posted 11/07/2017 at 00:19:15
IMO we need a couple of arl arses in the team. Lads who've seen it and done it. Dzeko, Giroud and Vardy all fit this bill perfectly.

I'd love us to sign Vardy though. He must be horrible to play against and in the right team nets for fun.

As for the Benteke link, it was only 2 years ago he was keeping Lukaku out the national team!! I'd have him all day long!

Geoff Williams
45 Posted 11/07/2017 at 00:21:17
James (#40),

You been on the spice, mate??? 😂

Andrew James
46 Posted 11/07/2017 at 00:50:54
Bet you Sandro scores enough goals with others coming across the park to replace the departing guy...forgotten his name now.

Rooney will score 10. Klaassen 5. Barkley 10.

Hibbert is due a goal as well.

David Currie
47 Posted 11/07/2017 at 00:59:50
No to both Benteke and Dzeko, we need more mobility than those 2, Dembele or Martial for me as he did not play that much at United. He would be a great signing.
Alex Buckley
48 Posted 11/07/2017 at 01:07:05
Chelsea wouldn't loan us a cup of sugar atm never mind Costa... otherwise we should look to get in Batshuayi, can't see us doing any business with them for a while after Stones.

Mandzukic has been mentioned too, we've not yet got anyone in from the Team Italia Deligation sounds like it was a DelBoy jolly..

David Ellis
49 Posted 11/07/2017 at 01:13:05
The phrase "scores for fun" has reached its quota in this thread. It's use is now forbidden.
Mike Gaynes
50 Posted 11/07/2017 at 01:17:56
Dzeko had 29 in 37 for Roma last season AND 9 assists.

In Serie A, that is freakin' awesome.

And for £30M??

One big huge YES from me on that. Even ahead of Giroud. Certainly ahead of Benteke.

Kieran Kinsella
51 Posted 11/07/2017 at 01:27:50
Paul (#35)

It's a fair point. If we get the set piece specialist Sigurdsson he could be potent but the other concern is his injury record.

As for Dembele? Any remember Gary Hooper? 63 goals in 95 games? Or Mark Burchill? You only have to watch Brenda wax lyrical about Scott Brown then watch him play anyone outside the SPL to realize the Scottish league is crap. Dembele might be alright as a speculative signing but no way at 30 million.

Albert Perkins
52 Posted 11/07/2017 at 01:28:13
People still complaining about the stiff prices for players. It's not how much they are worth on the marketplace but how much they are worth to us right here right now. I would willingly pay double, or more, for the player we need to complete the jigsaw puzzle to make us whole and competitive.

I have been watching Roma highlights and amazed at the goalscoring feats of Dzeko. It's all about the system you play in and the confidence of the players around you.

Teddy Bertin
53 Posted 11/07/2017 at 02:05:35
Benteke is a top finisher and, Andy Carroll aside, perhaps the best header of a ball in the league. Good player but creates very little. Needs tonnes of services and struggles to mix his game up. Giroud would be a better option for link up play with our new dynamic midfield but not sure he'll come.

Dzeko was great 5 years ago and would have been great for us 2 years ago. Not now though.

Koeman does seem to want a big centre-forward type though. Pelle would have been ace too, such great link up play but again with this new lineup not the way forward.

Delighted that we're still in for a striker and a creative player. Dreamland right now.

Drew Shortis
54 Posted 11/07/2017 at 02:11:10
The Benteke rumor makes sense if Giroud can't be tempted to leave Arsenal. Wouldn't be my ideal striker, but if Sigurdsson comes in to provide the crosses then Benteke will score plenty of headers.

Personally, I would go for Dembele from Celtic, but it's all about how Koeman wants to set his team up to play. We know he likes a target man (Pelle and now the links to Giroud). Obviously, the RS connection makes this a bigger risk, but if Ronald thinks he's the man he needs to fit into his system then who am I to argue with him? Could end up being a master stroke.

I know were not short of a few bob now, but at 26 Benteke would provide more value for money in terms of service over the likes of Dzeko, Giroud or Llorente who are all in the last couple of years at the top. It depends on how much Palace would demand him too. They have had the TV money like the rest of the League and won't let their main striker go for cheap knowing we have the Lukaku money. In the current silly market they will probably ask for £50m for him. To me this seems like a hell of a gamble. We'll see!

Edit: On Twitter there's a bunch of Villains singing his praises and more than a few Reds who (the one's not laughing hard) saying hes a good player but not for the system Liverpool wanted him in. If Koeman set up to play to his strengths he could be an inspired signing.

Benny Snow
55 Posted 11/07/2017 at 02:14:06
Let's hope we're waiting for Celtic to qualify for the Champions League and get Dembele in – the kid is a beast.
Mark Andersson
56 Posted 11/07/2017 at 02:30:36
Next we will be linked with Ballotelli an other ex red reject. Who ever we get I hope Koeman's jigsaw comes to fruition quickly. The gutter press are giving us a lot of coverage now. They will delight if we fail to hit the ground running.

I will trust Koeman for now as he's done an okay job in his first season. Some crap away performances, but I have a feeling that we will be a different prospect this season. Has he got the mentality to manage and motivate his men?

David Lok
57 Posted 11/07/2017 at 02:30:39
Price of every striker linked to Everton is bloated now, all clubs are eyeing on the £75m we got from Lukaku. We should have gotten a striker in before selling Lukaku.
Fran Mitchell
58 Posted 11/07/2017 at 02:57:53
Costa on loan for 6 months would be ideal, but Chelsea Will never sign off on It (unless we offer a lucrative loan fee).

Benteke has always reminded me of Viduka. Talented, but a tendency to have hot and cold streaks. Need better imo.

From the Premier League, a few names stand out: Kelechi Ilechano (spell check?) and Martial. Llorente could also do a job. Then Giroud.

Dembele deffo has talent, but maybe is a bit raw to be a leading man at a club aiming for the top 4.

From Europe, Dolberg would be exciting, but look How Jansen did and it seems risky. A striker like Belotti would be a real statement signing, but would be highly unlikely. Dzenko is a top player, but price would have to be right. Then the German League has a few talents such as Embolo and Werner who would cost a lot and may not adapt.

In South América it is worth watching the Libertadores Championship, maybe some gems there. The star of the Championship last year was Colombian striker Borja. He has been a bit off form since signing for Palmeiras, but many claim is due to the style of play. Palmeiras was to be the plataform for a move to Europe, so maybe he could be a left-of-field option and would be quite cheap.

Jamie Sweet
59 Posted 11/07/2017 at 04:06:09
I think the idea of Benteke fills most of us with a little dread due to the potential for it to go wrong and the shit we'd get from our friendly neighbours.

But let's think more positively and imagine the fun we'd have if he started banging them in!

Mike Green
60 Posted 11/07/2017 at 05:24:48
Brian (#30) – very interesting shout, he doesn't appear to be a wallflower either. Good call.
Dean Mckenna
61 Posted 11/07/2017 at 06:17:07
Benteke would be better than Giroud and is a few years youngest. He does get goals – just a shame he has played for the RS! You do need to look at the age when spending £30m + on a player for obvious reasons + we've already got our old man in Rooney.
However none of the names we're getting linked to particularly inspire me.
Dean Mckenna
62 Posted 11/07/2017 at 06:25:53
People saying spend £30m on a 31-year-old (Dzeko). Come on – get a grip!
Gordon White
63 Posted 11/07/2017 at 06:57:05
Groan! thank God Koeman and Walsh are in charge. ;-)
Derek Knox
64 Posted 11/07/2017 at 07:16:58
As I mentioned on here a few days ago, Steve Walsh, actually went and was pictured in Italy. This would lend credibility to the link with Dzeko.

I remember reading also about Khouma Babacar, a striker in the Lukaku mould, but a lot quicker, and with better first touch and control. Just food for thought!

Laurie Hartley
65 Posted 11/07/2017 at 07:25:19
I think it is a nap bet that Koeman will sign a big target man. Any one of Benteke, Dzeko, or Giroud would bring a smile to my face.

However, if you asked me which of those three I would like to see line up for us between Sandro and Rooney, I would say Giroud if he can be convinced to join us.

Could create a bit of havoc that forward line.


Christy Ring
66 Posted 11/07/2017 at 07:27:52
Martial for me, available for £30m, would be a terrific signing.
Scott Mongomery
67 Posted 11/07/2017 at 07:31:38
Benteke, Giroud, Costa, Dembele no thanks. Timo Werner from RB Leipzig and nothing less please.
Peter Howard
68 Posted 11/07/2017 at 07:37:08
Derek (#56)

I can't believe there's a striker around with a better first touch than Lukaku.

Ray Robinson
69 Posted 11/07/2017 at 07:40:47
For those of us who think that Lukaku was a bit lazy and immobile, then how would Benteke compare?

I would have liked Iheanacho or Batshuayi myself but the former looks on his way to Leicester and Chelsea are hardly going to part with Batshuayi with the Costa and Morata situations in limbo.

Tony Abrahams
70 Posted 11/07/2017 at 08:15:28
I'd Be made up with Martial, Christy, pace, skill and can also play out wide to great effect. Still think we need more players who are comfortable playing out on the flanks, and I would love to sign this kid along with a good target man.
Sam Hoare
71 Posted 11/07/2017 at 08:50:20
Every striker (player) has his flaws. Very few complete packages unless you start looking at the £100m+ range.

My preference would be Giroud who scores and links play excellently. I hear he does not wish to leave Arsenal though and they don't want him to do he'll likely stay there unless huge money shifts him and them.

Benteke does a job though only for a team that has the width to provide crosses, which we don't have much of currently.

Batshuayi would make me happy but won't move till Chelsea get 1 or 2 strikers in.

I'd take Iheanacho over Dembele, he's bigger and already has scored a good few in the Premier League.

What about that Willian Jose we were linked with? Cheeky punt at Aubameyang or Icardi?

Other target men could be Bas Dost, Bacca, Bakambu or maybe even Rondon who would surely score more in a good team.

Pacey winger types I'd love us to go in for Lemar, Balde Diao, Berardi or Vietto. Martial would be great too as some have suggested. Perhaps Niang could still be in the mix.

In Walsh and Koeman we trust!

Chris Williams
72 Posted 11/07/2017 at 08:50:49
We're still looking for 3 players according to Moshiri's press officer, Mr White. One of these must be a striker and goal scorer. More than that, he must be our number one goal scorer, around whom our other new attackers will 'improve productivity' and chip in collectively.

Neither of the two mentioned will fill the bill for a prospective top 4 team. Neither will Giroud for me either, a 'nearly' man for Arsenal, not quite good enough.

Haven't a clue who it will be, and it may yet be one of these mentioned, but I'm hoping for Walsh and Koeman can delight us all with a surprise in the not to distant future.

Mike Berry
73 Posted 11/07/2017 at 08:53:55
For me it is obvious that Ron will be looking for a physical presence upfront to give the team more options when attacking.

Both players being mentioned would do a excellent job. Some lambast Benteke on this thread, but have short memories of how good he really was before the Dark Side ruined him by not playing to his strengths.

Paul Searle
74 Posted 11/07/2017 at 09:12:34
If Giroud deal is looking unlikely then perhaps Carlos Bacca would be a good fall back option. I always liked Dzeko at Man City so would be happy with him too. Even though I mainly remember him scoring having come off the bench and not doing so well when he was given a start.

Wouldn't be too keen on Benteke but that could be as expectations have changed during this transfer window. He does get goals and my cousin who is a Villa fan rates him better than Lukaku. He's better than Valencia and Kone that's for sure but Lukaku, no way.

Ciaran O'Brien
75 Posted 11/07/2017 at 09:25:08
Benteke was class at Villa but doesn't Koeman want a pressing game, isn't that why Benteke was a failure at Liverpool? Plus we don't have many wingers who can put regular quality crosses.

Dzeko is too old, it's an exceptional strike rate in Italy but £30m for a 31-year-old is too much. What about Icardi at inter or Bacca at Milan?

I'm also skeptical about signing a big target man because it just encourages hoofball from our centre backs.

David Ellis
76 Posted 11/07/2017 at 09:29:33
Ciaran – yes totally agree.
Bob Parrington
77 Posted 11/07/2017 at 09:40:02
Neither, thank you. What a load of shit!

Get real. You don't just spend millions on has-beens because you can't think of another. Please.... don't go there! In Walsh we can rely to find us a young developing player rather than a proven failure.

Alasdair Mackay
78 Posted 11/07/2017 at 09:40:02
I've always like Benteke, but I agree that he doesn't seem the sort of player Koeman would go for. I read a lot into what he was saying about wanting lots of 15 goal a season players and not 1 20+.

I think he is looking at Klaassen, Sandro, Rooney and one other to combine equally in the scoring charts, so perhaps a wide player who scores a lot in the Mirallas mould, but more prolific.

Danny Halsall
79 Posted 11/07/2017 at 09:50:07
I think Benteke is actually a good move for us. He is the right age (26) to both make an impact and improve in the future, the fee wouldn't be absolutely ridiculous. He would probably play a good foil to Rooney, Sandro, Lookman etc – but most importantly, he scores goals. He has scored goals at every club he has played for and he has Premier League pedigree.

I have a feeling that if he had never played for Liverpool there wouldn't be this amount of negativity.

Shane Corcoran
80 Posted 11/07/2017 at 09:52:14
It's stories (and admittedly that's all it is at the minute) that make me seriously question Koeman in the transfer market.

Didn't he make comments in the Spring about how Steve Walsh is looking to bring in players for the long term as opposed to him needing players for the first team? It feels very short-termist when he spends big on players past their mid-twenties.

Carl Taylor
81 Posted 11/07/2017 at 09:58:37
Koeman had Pelle at Southampton and he didn't negatively impact their pressing game. He is looking for a physical presence, which gives us a different option and can educate Calvert-Lewin.

I hold my hands up and say Dzeko and Benteke don't excite me as much as say Sandro, but Sandro hasn't kicked a ball in England yet, so we can't heap all the pressure on his shoulders whilst he settles into his new surroundings.

Brian Williams
82 Posted 11/07/2017 at 10:17:01
I hope both of these rumours are just a smokescreen. I think we have enough older players in the squad now with several in their thirties and/or very late twenties.

Personally I'm hoping for a mobile, speedy striker rather then a big target man. Koeman does seem to favour a big focal point up front though.

If Wenger's comments, on TalkSport, this morning are anything to go by Giroud is out of the picture.

Just trying to hold my nerve now and trust that the excellent work we've done so far in the transfer market continues. I'll be glad when we've got in everybody we need and are told, "Right – that's it for this window."

Jim Knightley
83 Posted 11/07/2017 at 10:23:48
It seems like, in Benteke's case in particular, we'd just be replacing Lukaku with a similar but lesser player. Neither of these will put in a lot of work, and Benteke is slower than Lukaku and his movement is poor. He will score goals no doubt, but in bursts and with a clear ceiling.

I'd prefer Giroud because his link up play is better than either Benteke or Dzeko.

I also doubt that Roma would let Dzeko go

Dennis Ng
84 Posted 11/07/2017 at 10:24:36
We have a good number of youngsters as well as Sandro available. It is understandable to feel underwhelmed by our options but I rather we blood youngsters in than splash money for poor replacements. I think they are both good players but not for the profile for what we're trying to become.
Jason Bowen
85 Posted 11/07/2017 at 10:25:17
I'd have Benteke definitely. He's be a different option to what we have: powerful in the air, no love lost for the RS either. Go get him.
James Morgan
86 Posted 11/07/2017 at 10:31:59
Shane, I think the signings of Onyekuru, Bowler, Mathis, Markelo and Donkor on loan is looking towards the future.

Not to mention the signings we've made so far in Pickford, Keane, Sandro and Klaassen who are all 24 and under, a bit of experience in Rooney and a player like Giroud/Dzeko should be welcomed.

Andrew Clare
87 Posted 11/07/2017 at 10:35:08
If these links are true then it's very underwhelming. We sell a £100 million striker and replace him with mediocrity. We want a young mobile attack – not lumbering target men. Please look elsewhere.

So far all of our signings have been good apart from Rooney who I will reserve judgement on, so why ruin it all by buying third-rate players?

Jason Broome
88 Posted 11/07/2017 at 10:38:09
His move to Man City and being played in a rotational playmaker forward role hurt his game and his confidence but at £12-14 Million Wilfried Bony is worth consideration.

On form he will get you 20 plus goals a season, good in the year, quick on the ground, nice link up play and long passing quality. Only 10 games at stoke but you could see he still has it.

Tom Sharp
89 Posted 11/07/2017 at 10:38:19
I'd prefer Dzeko over Benteke, just on the basis that he was seriously underestimated at Man City, he scored a lot of important goals and always had a decent goal scoring record. He could also make the difference when coming off the bench as an impact! something we haven't had for a while.

If I had a choice of an affordable front man it would be Bakambu from Villarreal. Hes' a serious finisher and with our new and improved midfield I'd love to see what he could do in the royal blue shirt! Wouldn't surprise me if Sandro scores a fair amount either, with his supreme technical ability plus his rough and tough side he should be made for the Premier League.

I can't wait for the start of the season.

COYB

Gordon Crawford
90 Posted 11/07/2017 at 10:43:00
I do believe we need a target man, and some fast forwards, so that we can change up how we play. I can't see how any of these two will benefit us.
Jim Knightley
91 Posted 11/07/2017 at 10:46:30
This James.

Our transfer work is clearly looking forward – I'd argue that improvement this season will be limited for exactly that reason. Our investment has, with the exception of Rooney, all been in players between 18-24.

I don't see why Rooney and one other old senior ruins the majority of young players we have brought.

We could put out an under-25 team of:
Pickford
Kenny, Holgate, Keane, Galloway
Besic
Klaassen, Davies
Barkley Lookman
Sandro

With the likes of Onyekuru, Calvert-Lewin, Browning, Dowell and a string of youth prospects not making the cut. The success of Everton players in the Under-20s and Under-21s for England and in the Under-23s illustrates that we are well set for the future.


Ben Dyke
92 Posted 11/07/2017 at 10:57:50
Cant see Benteke leaving Palace after being bought for so much only a year ago but Dzeko is interesting. The rumours are pretty strong that we are looking for a target man to hold up the ball and complement the way the team is being set up.

Rooney No 10, Bolasie and Mirallas wide, Schneiderlin and Gueye in central midfield. Who do we think will play wide right whilst Bolasie is injured? Do we think Mirallas is first choice? How do we accommodate Klaassen?

Derek Thomas
93 Posted 11/07/2017 at 10:58:06
I don't fancy any of them – especially at the prices, even allowing for recent inflation, quoted.
Kim Vivian
94 Posted 11/07/2017 at 10:58:59
Giroud + £15/20m for Barkley, Sigurdsson in from Swansea. Net spend £15/£20m seems good.
Neil Thomas
95 Posted 11/07/2017 at 11:04:48
Dzeko all day long. Under-rated and under-used by Man City, a great target man and pretty handy on the floor... plus the bonus of defending corners and set-pieces.
Shane Corcoran
96 Posted 11/07/2017 at 11:06:28
James and Jim, that's all true but he's brought in Bolasie, Williams, Rooney and Schneiderlin, all of whom are the wrong side of 25, and 30 in the case of Williams and Rooney. Benteke, Giroud or Dzeko would be added to that list.

Like I said, from the comments he made in the Spring, he seemed (to me anyway) to be suggesting that Walsh will bring in young players as a club policy of signing good young players, as if he himself was only concerned with the here and now.

I'll have a look for the quote.

Here it is http://www.toffeeweb.com/season/16-17/news/34875.html

Dean Johnson
97 Posted 11/07/2017 at 11:18:22
Dzeko and Benteke are both shit – old and slow.

So sayeth the spider...

Teddy Bertin
98 Posted 11/07/2017 at 11:29:43
Great point, Jim.

No mention of us being in for a right back at all this summer so Koeman obviously has faith in our youth to cover positions while key players are out.

I'm worried about Tom Davies this season though. There's so much competition in the middle of the park now and Rooney will surely be deployed behind the striker and sometimes deeper. That leaves us with

Barry
Besic
Barkley
McCarthy
Schneiderlin
Gueye
Davies
Klaassen

And maybe even Sigurdsson

All competing for a couple of places.

Andrew Ellams
99 Posted 11/07/2017 at 11:37:01
Teddy, Davies will be fine. He's in a three way battle for two positions in front of Schneiderlin, Barry and Besic are the injury cover. We are looking at a potential 60+ game season so he'll see a lot of pitch time.

He's only just 19, he's quality but maybe not ready for a full on Premier League and European season just yet.

Tom Bowers
100 Posted 11/07/2017 at 11:57:52
Wow ! these recent rumors have certainly stirred up a hornets nest of comments. Whilst we await to see if Sandro proves himself in the Premier League (okay, La Liga is pretty strong too) and the return of Bolasie, it is obvious another striker is needed. Giroud would be my choice if available at the right fee or King of Watford.

I am sure Koeman has a hit list of strikers he would like so it's a matter of waiting for the announcement. There appears to be goals in the mix of midfielders we now have including Barkley if he stays which seems more likely now for at least the first part of the season.

Benteke and Dzeko are back numbers not to waste money on.

Nicholas Ryan
101 Posted 11/07/2017 at 12:00:36
I know this is kind of weird, but my daughter, who is 10 and mad on footy [but somehow, bizarrely, a Red!] out of the blue, when we weren't even talking about football, said: 'Daddy, you lot need Edin Dzeko'.

So, there it is! Out of the mouths of babes... and all that!

Jim Burns
102 Posted 11/07/2017 at 12:12:29
Benteke – yes. Did well in a poor Villa side and a poor Palace side. His time at the RS was more to do with them than him. He would offer another basic but effective striking option and would be ideal in certain games.

With an effective winger it's not always about individual stand out talents – it's also about making all the pieces fit – even the average ones – so that the whole is effective. The late great Howard Kendall proved that.

Finally those who are advocating Costa to Everton – have a word with yourselves – he's poison. I'm all for players with a bit of attitude coming in – but Costa? God help us – this is still Everton FC, and we have a culture to be proud of .and the Costa's of this world have no place in it.

Let's take a collective deep breath and put the scatter gun away. We don't need it.

Alexander Murphy
103 Posted 11/07/2017 at 12:35:22
Jim (#94).

Completely agree. I'd prefer that Costa didn't even enter Goodison Park as a visitor, certainly not in the same jersey worn by our greats. Absolute no.

Jim Knightley
104 Posted 11/07/2017 at 12:41:13
Shane – I can't understand that logic. I don't think that's the only implication – it depends on how you 1) understand 'young' 2) define the short term.

Clearly, Pickford (23), Keane (24), Klaassen (24), and Sandro (just turned 22) have been brought to compete for first team places, and based on our current squad, all will be starters next season. To suggest Koeman is only thinking of the here and now is contradicted by the nature of these signings. The only plus 30 signing has been Rooney this season – no club has invested so well in younger players.

Even Schneiderlin (27), Gueye (27 now but 26 when we brought), and Bolasie (28 now but 27 when we purchased him) still have a good few years left, whilst we also brought Calvert-Lewin (20 now, 19 when purchased) and Lookman (19). Both Calvert- ewin and Lookman have been involved in the first team, along with Holgate and Davies – I'd argue that we've been better than anyone in this league in terms of giving chances to youngsters, and investing in young talent, in the last year.

I don't see any reason to criticise Koeman for short termism – I don't think it adds up. It seems to be based entirely around one quote, which contradicts the realities of the season and our transfer business. I expect that Koeman was suggesting that Walsh would be singularly concerned with buying young talents for the future (to go through the youth set up, like Bowler, Mathis and Markelo) whilst he would be concerned, obviously in consultation with Walsh, with additions to the seniors. These may be younger (Pickford, Sandro, Keane etc) or older (Rooney, Williams etc) depending on need and availability. I think this is fair enough – the youth and senior set ups are different even if they are connected, hence the difference in coaching set ups and the relations of scouts. I think this is where we hope Walsh will come through with some hidden gems.

I also expect that Onyekuru will join up with the seniors next season – work permit issues have prevented that now. I wonder if that might explain a perceived desire for an older striker. If there is a lot of belief in him and Sandro, then perhaps we need a senior striker for the here and now, rather than another younger player who will need a season or two to mature (Dembele).

Mat Smith
105 Posted 11/07/2017 at 12:49:33
I'd take Benteke – proven in the Premier League – yeah may not get 25+ goals a season but he knows where the back of the net is and will add more options to the team

Check out his stats since coming to England.

Jim Knightley
106 Posted 11/07/2017 at 12:51:11
Good point re. Costa – he is undoubtedly a good striker and hard worker, but why criticise Lukaku to then want Costa?

Costa did not turn up for an entire season after falling out with Mourinho. He then fell out with Conte in January too, who has asked him to leave the club. He was caught on camera talking about his desire to move back to Atletico a year ago – and I expect that is where he will go, with a deal likely to be agreed this summer.

I'd also love Werner but we are living in the real world. He is not going to leave a Champions League team in Germany, where he has worked his way into the international set up, to come to us.

We need Champions League football, and a higher profile, if we are to be in the frame for players like that – it is our big struggle in terms of bridging the gap, as we can't attract that extra level of player at the moment (aka Sanchez, Silva, De Bruyne). Rooney may help in that regard.

Russell Smith
107 Posted 11/07/2017 at 13:04:33
We are all forgetting Niasse!!!!!!!
Mike Green
108 Posted 11/07/2017 at 13:10:33
Jim and Jim – your points about Costa are good ones and very well made. Agreed.
Dale Rose
109 Posted 11/07/2017 at 13:14:03
If Costa comes as a transfer to us, I'll show my arse in Burton's window. As for the other two, there are better out there.

The signings this year have been outstanding . Don't spoil it with either of these two mercenaries.

Shane Corcoran
110 Posted 11/07/2017 at 13:15:37
Jim, you're right. It's not a black-and-white issue and depends how you define young and short-term. It also needs to be understood in the context of the new wealth at Everton.

I was thinking back to when Moyes was here. Any money paid out was always on players with a resale value as they most likely would be sold on to make a profit.

That day seems to be gone but there's still something unsettling about buying players for £20m plus, paying them big wages (presumably) and then they might be of little use to us, either on the pitch or with regards to getting some cash for them.

It is only one quote, but it seems clear enough to me what he was getting at. I'm also unsure of his choice of player regardless of age. The jury is still very much out on the likes of Bolasie and Williams for example. Schneiderlin and Gueye do look like good buys however.

Time will tell I suppose and I'm not necessarily criticising him yet. I'm just a little anxious about it all.

Steve Cotton
111 Posted 11/07/2017 at 13:27:59
As a side issue, how come every RS pundit on tv is suggesting VVD would and should be a great signing for Liverpool? Surely they were charged by the League for illegal approaches earlier in the summer, and only allowed off if they dropped their interest...

If they go back in for him the original charges should be reinstated and a 2-year transfer ban introduced.

Rednapp talking like tapping up is acceptable...

Dean Johnson
112 Posted 11/07/2017 at 13:29:08
Stats, stats, stats, Mat Smith

You know Lukaku has some of the best stats in the league? Doesn't make him any good, it just means he's played more games than anyone else at his age.

By all means state your opinion, but I wish people would stop trying to stat us to death, it doesn't prove or disprove anything. By adding stats you're saying "I am right and you are wrong" when in fact both statements are true because it's football. There are always 2 sides to every story, if people refrain from trying to prove they're "right" and we'd all get on better.

James Morgan
113 Posted 11/07/2017 at 13:30:33
Shane, "the wrong side of 25"?

That's a new one on me. Must've been lowered from 30 last time I checked! A players peak years are probably about 26 to 32, though that's not the case for every player. Sometimes you need players for the now, not just the future. A good blend is always best in my eyes.

Look at Man Utd when they got Van Persie, he was 30 or 31 and he got the goals that won them the title. We can't always be a team like Arsenal waiting for our youngsters to come good then get found out because you're lacking experience.

Andrew Ellams
114 Posted 11/07/2017 at 13:49:09
Steve Cotton, they weren't charged – they merely received stern tut and a finger wag.
Jim Knightley
115 Posted 11/07/2017 at 13:57:36
I understand, Shane – if we brought Dzeko for £30mil I'd be anxious too. We've got more money now but not bottomless pockets and we have to be careful with it. I expect (and hope) that there is nothing to the Dzeko stuff.

The challenge will be combining younger players with the right kind of experience. I still think our transfer business this summer will reap benefits in 1-2 years. Pickford is not the finished article and will make a few too many mistakes – Sandro isn't either and needs to work on leading the line. Klaassen will need a little time to adapt.

I think Keane and Rooney will have an immediate benefit but I would predict another 7th-place finish at present, with progress in the cups.

Mike Gaynes
116 Posted 11/07/2017 at 13:57:46
ESPNFC reporting that Koeman has a strong interest in Benteke.

Also that Arsenal won't even consider moving Giroud until they resolve the situation with Sanchez. Giroud is participating in their spring tour of Australia, which he wouldn't be doing if any deal with us was pending.

Brent Stephens
117 Posted 11/07/2017 at 13:58:57
What I haven't seen in any of the comment on possible striker signings is an analysis of the time in each game (relative to the overall scoreline) when they are likely to score and therefore the impact on the result. And based on what past performance?
Ben Howard
118 Posted 11/07/2017 at 14:05:22
I'd take Dzeko. Thought he was fantastic at City and underused due to Aguero being, erm, Aguero. The thought of the sum asked woukd have once put me off for a player of his age, but I guess I'm now getting used to the new Everton and the way we go shopping these days!

All those doubting Lukaku's potential at United have obviously not heard his recent comments about how he'll try really hard to better himself. His obvious talent PLUS this extra effort could make him a world beater! Funny how he never thought to try really hard for us. I guess it's because he feels they are the best fans and it's what they deserve...

Derek Knox
119 Posted 11/07/2017 at 14:08:05
Jim@ 107, while I understand what you are saying, I think if we finished 7th, after our transfer activity, many would view that as failure. However, as you say, a couple of cups, especially the Europa League, (winner to Champions League qualifiers) mat soften the blow.

Being the devil's advocate now, when you reflect on last season, the amount of points wasted, should not, happen, with a stronger team and squad.

I, like many on here, have never been so optimistic, about a forecoming season, as I am now, and the transfer dealings, are not finished yet!

Brian Harrison
120 Posted 11/07/2017 at 14:25:20
Surely we are trying to build a squad and team to better last years 7th place. So if that is the case does anybody realistically think that any of the 6 teams that finished ahead of us would even think about signing either Dzeko or Benteke.

I just hope this is the usual rubbish that happens in the transfer windows.

Steve Cotton
121 Posted 11/07/2017 at 14:29:08
Brian, there is talk of Benteke to Chelsea!
Andrew Grey
122 Posted 11/07/2017 at 14:38:23
Ibrahimovich is Free. Could be worth a year.
Ajay Gopal
123 Posted 11/07/2017 at 14:44:00
Koeman clearly rates proven Premier League experience over potential and good records in other leagues and I agree with him. In that context, and given that he is still only 26, Benteke seems to be an excellent choice.

He doesn't have the 'prima donna' about him, and if Koeman could get him to work hard, will end up getting us 15+ goals, which is excellent return IMO.

As others have pointed out, we won't have one 25-goal player, we will have two or three 15-goal strikers (Romney, New centre-forward) and two or three 10-goal midfielders/strikers (Sandro, Klaassen, Barkley/Sigurdsson). The goals will be spread out, at least that is my dream.

Derek Knox
124 Posted 11/07/2017 at 14:54:32
Ajay@ 115, who this Romney?

Have we just signed him?

Tell Rooney, if you meet him, that Rodney (Dave) from Only Fools and Horses fame, has a bracelet, that he may be interested in! :-)

Shane Corcoran
125 Posted 11/07/2017 at 14:56:55
James (#105), I'm not concerned with what phrases are or aren't used. My point is that buying an attacking player at 27 means that you'll probably get some good years out of him but when he's 31/32 you'll get no re-sale value. Additionally, they're unlikely to improve from the day you but them.

Therefore, if players of this age are to be bought then I don't think we should be spending over £20M on them.

Tom Bowers
126 Posted 11/07/2017 at 15:02:26
I wouldn't let Costa drive the team coach!!!!
Andy Meighan
127 Posted 11/07/2017 at 15:04:42
Nicholas (#93), What sort of Evertonian allows his child to be red? That's the only bizarre thing about your post!
Eddie Dunn
128 Posted 11/07/2017 at 16:02:26
I wonder if we have a "buy-back" clause in the Lukaku deal?
Eddie Dunn
129 Posted 11/07/2017 at 16:04:14
Costa is a dirty, snarling, cheating, shithouse of a player... just what we need! Buy him!
Mat Smith
130 Posted 11/07/2017 at 16:32:45
Dean Johnson 104

Not trying to push my opinion on anyone – was just putting his stats there to show that he’s not got a bad strike rate – not the best but still chips in with goals. People are always entitled to their opinion – at what point in my post did I say that they are not or “I’m right and anyone who doesn’t agree is wrong”?

Derek Knox
131 Posted 11/07/2017 at 16:47:12
Nice one Eddie@ 120, having thought about it, Benteke, should Palace let him go, would always want to prove something in the Derby!
Martyn Thickitt
132 Posted 11/07/2017 at 17:10:33
Why waste a superb transfer window and sign these pair of muppets?
Frank Crewe
133 Posted 11/07/2017 at 17:22:59
It amazes me that there are still people on the forum worrying about resale value. Who cares? Stop thinking small time. If we buy a player over 30 for £30 million quid and that player helps to get us into the Champions League then he's covered his fee. Resale value is for the pre-Moshiri Everton.

The new Everton buys players because they will hopefully improve the squad regardless of their age. I wouldn't care if every player we had was over 30 if they won us the Premier League or Champions League.

Enough penny-pinching. If he's a good player buy him. I don't care what a player will do for us next season or the season after that. All I'm interested is what he can do for the club this season.

I would also point out that those who advocate buying young players are the first to complain when those same players are sold for a bigger fee than we paid for them.

Bill Gienapp
134 Posted 11/07/2017 at 17:23:13
Seems just about everyone would like to see us go after Dembele, but Koeman seems to favor proven Premier League talent... which I can't say is a bad strategy at this stage, even though the prospect of Benteke doesn't exactly thrill me.
Geoff Lambert
135 Posted 11/07/2017 at 17:35:41
Eddie @120 — just what we need.

Imagine Costa and Rooney going to Modor? No prisoners...

Soren Moyer
136 Posted 11/07/2017 at 17:41:59
Yes to Benteke. Big NO to Dzeko!
James Morgan
137 Posted 11/07/2017 at 17:42:56
Shane, why are you concerned about resale value? I just don't get it. If we buy a 28-year-old and he's amazing for four years who cares about resale value?

Aguero is a world class striker approaching 30, would you not like to see him in a blue shirt knowing for a few years he could be the difference between success and failure?

Nigel Munford
138 Posted 11/07/2017 at 17:48:07
Benteke surely has a point to prove that he is the No 1 choice for Belgium over Lukaku, so how best to prove that than on the pitch for Everton, the team Lukaku left as they weren't big enough for him. Could be a new chapter in our history.
David Graves
139 Posted 11/07/2017 at 17:50:48
How is stating how many goals somebody has scored "trying to stat us to death"?

I think it adds useful information to the debate about whether he would be a good signing.

Brent Stephens
140 Posted 11/07/2017 at 18:00:14
Eddie (#120) "Costa is a dirty, snarling, cheating, shithouse of a player... just what we need!"

Something about all that I don't like. The dirty? Well maybe that's okay. The Snarling? Well maybe that's not bad. Cheating? Well, actually, maybe that's okay as well. In fact, shithouse I can go with too.

Okay, I'm with you.

Eric Myles
141 Posted 11/07/2017 at 18:09:05
Brian (#12), Dzeko used to play for one of those 6 clubs that finished above us.
Eddie Dunn
142 Posted 11/07/2017 at 18:17:34
Just imagine the lino or ref with Rooney incandescent with rage, as two yards away Costa rolls over one more time and yelps in pain... the ref points to the spot and Costa springs to his feet to take the pen, sending Mignolet the wrong way and Anfield into a coma.

Break open the Bolingil money, sign him up!

Paul Ferry
143 Posted 11/07/2017 at 18:47:31
Anything to have a go at Koerman eh Shane (Corcoran)?

A misguided post based on erm rumour.

A misguided comment based on selective - highly selective - cherry picking.

Okay, 26-28 seems to be the new 33-35! Sorry Schneiderlin, lad, your days are numbered and you too Gueye you old bastard.

Let's see: Pickford 23; Keane 24; Klaassen 24; Sandro 22.

Says Sean: 'Didn't he make comments in the Spring about how Steve Walsh is looking to bring in players for the long term as opposed to him needing players for the first team?' Yes, and thanks for the link. He has remained true to his word.

Koeman and Walsh have created a very smart and astute balance of younger and more experienced players (and continue to do so).

Shane says : It feels very short-termist when he spends big on players past their mid-twenties.

I roll my eyes and put my hands up in the air in despair.

Let me repeat: Pickford 23; Keane 24; Klaassen 24; Sandro 22. I haven't mentioned the two other younger lads.

Do you always stay indoors when the sun is shining Shane? Chiselling another Koeman doll to stick pins in or maybe reaching desperately for some bedraggled thinnish point to - triumphantly - hover over the keyboard, finger poised, to tap (one finger) some dutch clown stuff.

Steven Scaffardi
144 Posted 11/07/2017 at 19:27:13
Not sure if anyone has suggested this, but if Benteke forces a move, then Palace could warm to the idea of Niasse going the other way plus cash. I seem to remember Palace being interested in loaning him before he went to Hull.

You imagine with all of these rumours a large part of it is trying to unsettle the player to the point where it forces a transfer. Plus Palace don't have too many options up front so Niasse could interest them in that respect.

I'd personally be happy to see Benteke at Everton. It wasn't that long ago he was the preferred option over Lukaku in the Belgium team, and other than at the RS, his scoring record in England is very good.

The only issue is Palace will demand a ridiculous fee, and I can imagine they'll slap a £50m price tag on him like Swansea are doing with Gylfi.

Dean Mckenna
145 Posted 11/07/2017 at 19:39:20
Yes to Benteke from me!
Anthony Dwyer
146 Posted 11/07/2017 at 21:03:22
Martial or Iheanacho for me, both got goals in them and both got the potential to do massive things in there career.
Anthony Dwyer
147 Posted 11/07/2017 at 21:13:07
Costa on loan until he's ready to join Atletico!
John Pierce
148 Posted 11/07/2017 at 23:14:36
Dzeko is a narky SOB, and a cultured in the art of simulation. Scored bags of goals and is a deffo step up both in talent and profile.

✅✅✅

Laurie Hartley
149 Posted 11/07/2017 at 23:46:26
Unless my memory is playing tricks with me, Costa bites people. Not for me. Remember the Costa / Barry incident last season. I love "hard" but not "horrible".

As for the three centre-forwards mentioned in the OP, I look at the players we have that are likely to be playing in forward positions. Sandro, Rooney, Mirallas, Lookman, Klaassen – wouldn't they thrive playing off a target man?

David Ellis
150 Posted 12/07/2017 at 03:17:15
It's not "small time" to worry about re-sale value. Its about sustainability. Everton's turnover is around £130m. Maybe it will go up to £180m next year with better TV deals and more commercial revenue from the shirt and other new sponsors.

That is 100% of the money we have in any given year. Now tell me that spending £20m on a player we don't really use is "peanuts" it isn't - its over 10% of our entire revenue for a year and 40% of what we have left over after paying wages (approximately 70% of turnover).

To say it cold make the difference between Champions League does not win the argument at a financial level. How much would we make in the Champions League?...probably another £50m. So actually a couple of players at that level would wipe out the entire financial gain of getting into the Champions League ( bearing in mind wages on top of the one off transfer fee). Buying players over 30 for big transfer fees is not a money making proposition regardless of how well they do on the pitch.

If this summer signings don't lead to improvement in the team Moshiri may lose interest and if we stuff our squad with players in their 30s we will have blown our chance and have a bunch of high wage earners that we can't shift for love or money.

I am delighted with the business we have done so far but these large numbers for Giroud and Dzeko make no sense to me. It needs to be sustainable investment otherwise in 3 years time we may be back to square one.

Ernie Baywood
151 Posted 12/07/2017 at 03:50:22
David, we've just bought a group of 21-24 year olds. As a collective they will likely need time to reach their peak (ie, they will underperform) but should appreciate in value.

A 30-year-old will lose value but be ready to go right away.

Neither extreme is sustainable. A balance between the two is right.

The club isn't there just to make money on players. It needs to grow, needs to improve, needs to challenge. The Champions League money (and profile) is worth it if you can sustain your involvement over multiple seasons. A one of appearance isn't quite so significant.

John Pierce
152 Posted 12/07/2017 at 04:36:09
David, a couple of thoughts, whilst the turnover figure is important clubs can't use their TV income to stretch themselves.

Running costs are effectively paid for via this golden goose.

Our commercial turnover is limited and like most Premier League clubs use player trading profits to massage the system.

Most contracts are amortised over the length of the deal. We've not spent anywhere near that amount and generally the figures hit the accounts a year later.

Under current terms, very sustainable. The profit from the sales of Rom, Cleverley, McGeady doing just that.

Buying talent for the Under-23 side does the rest. We might find a gem, but will improve most players and sell them to lower Premier League sides and higher Championship sides. Those profits help continue the cycle.

I'm no genius, but I refer you to the blue room podcast; business matters. Sound explanations there on the matter of sustainability.

James Stewart
153 Posted 12/07/2017 at 09:48:49
Slimani is available for a knockdown fee. Champions League experience, good in the air – surely worth a look?
Chris Williams
154 Posted 12/07/2017 at 09:52:37
Slimani is another one who had his chance last year but chose Leicester over us.

I'd be surprised if that one was resurrected, but maybe Walsh saw something...

David Ellis
155 Posted 13/07/2017 at 09:09:54
John (#152) and Ernie (#151),

Yes, Ernie, I totally agree. We are not aiming to make money – money is just a means to the end of winning stuff, and that regular European (even Europa League) football could make it all sustainable. But one-off events like Leicester's participation in the Champions League do not make their spending (and wage bill) sustainable.

John... yes you are correct, and I do follow the excellent Everton Business Matters podcast so I understand that the cost will be amortised over the length of the contract and won't hit the P&L all in one go...but it still hits it eventually! I am happy that what we have done so far is probably sustainable.

But my point is blowing £20m on a 30 year old is something that we cannot do on a regular basis because that is not sustainable. I'd rather spend the money on wages – the Deloittes football financial survey shows that there is no (or little) correlation between success and transfer outlay but there is a very close correlation between success and wage bill. The teams that pay the highest wages win more.

Also interesting that Leicester are looking to offload 6 of the players they bought last summer – Slimani being one of them (and collectively they flopped badly) ... presumably many of them Walsh picked???

Paul Kossoff
156 Posted 13/07/2017 at 20:15:27
I've heard a Bony has risen.... oo er missus!😋

Everton and West Ham United are reportedly in the reckoning to sign out-of-sorts Manchester City striker Wilfried Bony, say Transfer Market Web.

The 28-year-old frontman is reportedly also a target for West Bromwich Albion and Ligue 1 side Marseilles, as he looks for another club to reignite a career that has stalled in recent seasons.

David Currie
157 Posted 13/07/2017 at 20:22:44
Benteke and Bony are both donkeys; we need a striker with pace and movement.
Terence Tyler
158 Posted 14/07/2017 at 19:32:12
Costa left out of Chelsea pre season tour. Reports he only wants to go to Atletico Madrid who cant play him till January. Worth a loan fee and wages to us in the meantime.

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