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1 Posted 12/07/2017 at 07:42:12
2 Posted 12/07/2017 at 07:44:51
3 Posted 12/07/2017 at 07:48:14
4 Posted 12/07/2017 at 07:52:46
This seems like the type of player we would've been interested in yesteryear but would've opted to spend the money on a player ready to make an immediate impact. You'd expect Koeman to have good knowledge and connections within the Dutch league. Long may it continue!
5 Posted 12/07/2017 at 07:55:19
Sounds good and good value, plus it's a gap in our squad.
6 Posted 12/07/2017 at 08:04:40
7 Posted 12/07/2017 at 08:08:35
8 Posted 12/07/2017 at 08:15:31
I've never seen him play. His record suggests he has some pedigree and we do need cover for Baines.
9 Posted 12/07/2017 at 08:15:59
10 Posted 12/07/2017 at 08:23:40
But let's face it, Everton with Koeman looking to break into the top 4 in England over Palace with De Boer looking for 10th place each season.
Easy decision. Dammit. Still sound arrogant so screw it. It's us. We're awesome. Palace smell. So there.
11 Posted 12/07/2017 at 08:25:27
12 Posted 12/07/2017 at 08:31:08
Being a wedding gatecrasher is a bloody sight better than feeling like the jilted groom which is how it's been for Evertonians for too long.
There's been a party going on and we've been looking longingly through the window, shivering in the cold, in our clothes from the 80s, with a tarnished rosette from 95!
13 Posted 12/07/2017 at 08:31:55
14 Posted 12/07/2017 at 08:47:59
Our squad would be massiiiiiiive!
15 Posted 12/07/2017 at 08:49:13
16 Posted 12/07/2017 at 09:03:58
17 Posted 12/07/2017 at 09:08:13
Now I'm well stricken in years, and the world has changed, particularly the football world.
It still feels fucking great!
18 Posted 12/07/2017 at 09:14:07
19 Posted 12/07/2017 at 09:20:13
20 Posted 12/07/2017 at 09:24:27
It would be interesting to see Michael's/Lyndon's running tally on net transfer spend since Moshiri took over. With the anticipated sale of Barkley, Robles, McGeady and Niasse it will be interesting to see how much he has really put up at the end of the window. It will probably be far less than the rest of the top 6…
I am still hoping for more overhaul. The squad for me still needs a long term left back, good right back cover, a big upgrade of Funes Mori, an upgrade on injury prone McCarthy/Besic, a real fast wide man, and a big goal getter or even two. Greedy? you bet.
21 Posted 12/07/2017 at 09:31:16
I suspect that would have already happened.
22 Posted 12/07/2017 at 09:39:19
23 Posted 12/07/2017 at 09:39:44
24 Posted 12/07/2017 at 09:45:21
Holgate was struggling there beforehand, although Davies looked good when he played there against Watford.
Kenny for me though. A modern all-round full back.
25 Posted 12/07/2017 at 09:54:56
I've been against this signing since it first got mentioned in January as I know how crap he is but if he comes in for cover for Kenny then so be it.
If he starts against Stoke with Kenny fit but still in the U23s, well, that would be a black mark against Koeman from me.
26 Posted 12/07/2017 at 10:06:49
Having said that, is the story true? There are so many stories bandied round, it's difficult sometimes to differentiate between fact and fiction.
27 Posted 12/07/2017 at 10:47:16
Riedewald is 20, a handful of Dutch caps already, 60+ games for Ajax and can fill in elsewhere as well as left back if not needed. All that for £8.5million, a no-brainer as they say.
28 Posted 12/07/2017 at 10:55:30
29 Posted 12/07/2017 at 11:20:21
So choosing Palace over us may make perfect sense.
30 Posted 12/07/2017 at 11:40:36
Galloway and Downing are out on loan so that leaves Jonjoe Kenny who may be able to switch.
31 Posted 12/07/2017 at 12:03:37
I think you need to shout louder mate.
In a back 4 formation, Jonjoe Kenny should be right-back in Coleman's absence no question. However we've only seen a couple of sub appearances in the 1st XI and it's right to feel that he's not quite proven.
Most supporters have seen very little, if anything, of Antonee Robinson but, having seen both of them playing in the same team on several occasions, then for those that haven't seen him in the flesh, you're in for a treat. He's fast, very fast.
As highly as I rate Kenny, Robinson is better I just hope he gets his chance. He's possibly more suited to a wingback role but there's no questioning his defensive skills, the lad can tackle.
32 Posted 12/07/2017 at 12:59:34
He obviously stayed with us, but I don't recognise the player he was before that!
The other factor that has affected him too, is when Pienaar went, and even when he returned; the magic had gone.
33 Posted 12/07/2017 at 13:22:10
34 Posted 12/07/2017 at 13:52:32
That is praise indeed. Hope you're right, then we'll have too fantastic prospects.
35 Posted 12/07/2017 at 14:01:08
Telegraph say we are signing Martina this weekend oh, and we've made a profit in transfers!
36 Posted 12/07/2017 at 14:05:04
It wouldn't necessarily mean Robinson wouldn't be tried as cover for Baines, especially if Robinson is as good as Gary (#28) says (above).
37 Posted 12/07/2017 at 14:24:23
38 Posted 12/07/2017 at 14:30:27
39 Posted 12/07/2017 at 14:45:29
If we sign Martina, Koeman gets the option to bench him and play the man with 30+ Premier League appearances under his belt, plus league and European experience whilst in Holland.
40 Posted 12/07/2017 at 14:46:26
We've spent around £120mil this year, have signed Rooney on a free and it's 12th July ffs. One cheap right back, seen as a temporary replacement for our injured number one, and perhaps only as competition, does not undo everything else we've done. Koeman knows Martina and he knows Holgate, and he knows Kenny Kieran given his substitution of Holgate on several occasions, he clearly isn't happy with him at RB and perhaps thinks Kenny isn't ready.
To use the potential transfer as a means to criticise our transfer conduct is inexplicably absurd, and ignores a string of high profile signings since the turn of the year. And we are clearly not finished.
41 Posted 12/07/2017 at 14:49:56
Having said that the window's still open for a good while yet. I suppose there may be "lesser" players coming in to pad out the squad. Not every signing we make can be a starter.
Personally, if we have a much better and stronger team by the time the window closes, I'll be well pleased. If we manage to do that with a negative spend, I'll be very impressed too.
42 Posted 12/07/2017 at 15:01:59
Doing great in the U23s isn't proof of a great senior player, it just shows he's good in a much weaker 'league'. I'd like him to get a few appearances against weaker teams tho, him coming good and proving himself in the Premier League would be great for us, but I'm far from sold yet.
Never seen this Ajax left-back, but he sounds like a promising and useful player. Spend the Arteta money, Bill, and bring him to Everton!
43 Posted 12/07/2017 at 15:02:22
I would be very disappointed if Kenny didn't get a good run on the side and we signed Martino, not considered good enough for Southampton. We have Holgate and Davies as backup.
Way way back, Leeds Utd went to Ireland on a pre season tour and included a young reserve right winger Gary Kelly. Mel Sterland and the backup right back were injured in the first game and Kelly was pressed into action at right back. Stayed there for over 300 games.
Sometimes a player like Kenny just needs a bit of faith. He has played really well in his cameos so far.
44 Posted 12/07/2017 at 15:02:44
This isn't the best comparison but I remember when we brought an aging Paul Power in to cover injuries and that didn't work out too bad.
45 Posted 12/07/2017 at 15:07:43
46 Posted 12/07/2017 at 15:22:22
Now, where did I put my keys???
47 Posted 12/07/2017 at 15:38:34
On topic, Sky Sports now saying Riedewald signing for Palace. to join Schlupp and Van Aanholt.
48 Posted 12/07/2017 at 16:06:40
Antonne Robinson is a bit younger than Jonjoe, but is a seriously good prospect to progress to the first team squad.
49 Posted 12/07/2017 at 16:18:07
50 Posted 12/07/2017 at 16:44:09
Colin Harvey had no first team games before he made his debut in the San Siro stadium against Inter Milan at the age of 18. Tom Davis made his debut at 17, and stayed in the team, impressing plenty of fans.
Jonjoe is 20 going on 30 with his football ability. Yes, he might fail no-one is foolproof. I would have a good bet he will do a more than capable job, he just needs a few games on the run to prove it.
51 Posted 12/07/2017 at 16:59:03
52 Posted 12/07/2017 at 17:12:39
I'm hopeful we will get more in so I'm not throwing the towel in. But if you consider, as of now, we've basically swapped Rooney for Lukaku, Sandro for Deulofeu, Klaassen it looks like for Barkley. Keane is an upgrade as is Pickford.
But is Martina better as a "squad" filler than Oviedo, Cleverly, Valencia, Gibson? Not so sure.
Are we good enough out wide with the same guys we had last year who lacked "productivity"? I don't think so.
I'd feel happier with a proven Premier League scorer other than Rooney, some quality out wide.
53 Posted 12/07/2017 at 17:16:02
Surely now is the time to play them whilst their mojo is sky high.
54 Posted 12/07/2017 at 17:18:41
He got rave reviews all during the recent World Cup so he must have something about him.
55 Posted 12/07/2017 at 17:20:13
I'm not sure what else Kenny can do to prove himself. He's been a star at every junior level for club and country, he had a great loan spell and did well for us in his two games.
If Koeman sees Martini as a better option, I hope Kenny is loaned out to a Premier League club where he can prove his point.
56 Posted 12/07/2017 at 17:32:40
I hope your Mrs, should you have one, doesn't read the end of your post mate.
57 Posted 12/07/2017 at 17:39:35
But if we are that much better as I think we will be, and we do it without spending a net fortune, then that is great surely. I would hate us, in 5 years time, to be looking back at that crazy year we blew the lot.
58 Posted 12/07/2017 at 17:44:36
59 Posted 12/07/2017 at 18:39:31
60 Posted 12/07/2017 at 18:48:28
61 Posted 12/07/2017 at 18:53:25
62 Posted 12/07/2017 at 18:56:50
The major question we must all ask ourselves is at the end of the transfer window, will the squad be stronger or weaker overall, than at the start?
As there are at least a further six weeks of the transfer window still open, and given the business we have concluded to date, I, for one, am happy that the squad is already stronger.
Given that there may be yet further additions (some of whom may be seen only as "back- up" players), I also think that we will strengthen further between now and the first of September.
Bear in mind, that allowing that what we have spent so far has been recouped by sales, Moshiri has cleared our borrowing with interest free loans, so we have the advanced season ticket money that used to go to service those loans, untouched so far this season. We have also (as far as I am aware) not used any of the USM Finch Farm sponsorship money nor the new SportPesa sponsorship funding.
Furthermore, we have not used any of the bumper TV package money and no longer need that to service debt, a we have in the past.
Finally, we have just arrange a rolling credit facility for £60 million with the worlds biggest bank, to be drawn done on a "as needed" basis.
I don't think, that at present, the sobriquet "the Mersey Millionaires", is any longer inappropriate and I think we shall see some quite startling further additions in this transfer window. e.g. don't rule out Van Dijk by any means because he is now affordable for us if we seriously wanted him.
63 Posted 12/07/2017 at 19:06:24
64 Posted 12/07/2017 at 19:24:41
65 Posted 12/07/2017 at 19:39:03
66 Posted 12/07/2017 at 19:40:27
67 Posted 12/07/2017 at 20:10:59
Although it did change her life, that's for sure!
68 Posted 12/07/2017 at 20:24:04
There's lots of TV wonga this year and, when Moshiri first came, in I decided I'd give him until the end of this current transfer window to make my mind up about him. Even if he turns out to be alright, the talk about us spend, spend, spending at the moment is complete bollocks.
69 Posted 12/07/2017 at 20:50:56
70 Posted 12/07/2017 at 22:56:29
However, what I am saying is, the taunts that we suffered from our neighbours across the park through the 90s an 00s of being the "Paupers", is no longer true, and that, at last, the boot may well be on the other foot.
I am minded of a quotation from the French Revolution that said:-
"The stairs of time ever echo with the sound of the buckled shoe descending and the wooden clog ascending. Be kind to those you may pass on the way up, as you may have to pass them again on your way down."
I trust our Red cousins are familiar with this passage.
71 Posted 12/07/2017 at 23:17:20
My other point was that Kenny should absolutely start. If he doesn't play well or has a dip in form then fair enough but the lad has to have a chance now. He more than deserves it, and definitely deserves it more than a 3rd choice, free transfer old pal from Southampton. It'll be a black mark from me for Koeman if he goes with Martina, at the start anyway.
And you do realize Martina is absolutely dreadful at crossing, don't you? He'll get up and down okay bit he's actually a down grade overall on Holgate playing there.
But you'll see and I'm willing to bet after he's played a couple of games plenty on here will be calling for Holgate to be playing (assuming Kenny doesn't start).
72 Posted 13/07/2017 at 02:33:29
We seem to have the weight in the marketplace now where we are attracting players who would never have signed with us this time just last year. Martina is a very reliable utility player maybe the old fashioned full back that comes in for the last 10 minutes when your leading 1-0 to close up shop. Who knows?
I tell you though, I trust Koeman's evaluation of players. If Jonjoe Kenny is good enough for Koeman, then he is good enough. He looks like a class player to me.
73 Posted 13/07/2017 at 03:56:47
The transfer window requires foresight, timing and strategic thinking. Not every layer should be a bank-busting heavy weight.
The role of Rooney is a case in point. In spite of all the hoopla, he is a dedicated team player with a role to fill; should be the same with Martina. It does not automatically mean Kenny is closed out; probably just the opposite, with his selection based upon merit, in a non-stressed situation. COYB
74 Posted 13/07/2017 at 04:13:08
Freudian slip? Luckily she hates football...
75 Posted 13/07/2017 at 08:02:16
I loved the French Revolution quote, Hugh, and society in general and not just our 'football tourist supported' neighbours could do with a bit of that.
76 Posted 13/07/2017 at 14:45:25
77 Posted 14/07/2017 at 01:24:01
However, I also want success. Lukaku's sale has enabled a whole load of business (spending with the certainty of that sale) for the club.
I trust the management structure that the fiscal balance sheet will look good at the end of all of this, as well as delivering a level of success and entertainment to the hardcore fans.
78 Posted 14/07/2017 at 02:41:47
79 Posted 14/07/2017 at 03:32:02
80 Posted 14/07/2017 at 03:53:23
81 Posted 14/07/2017 at 17:58:41
This spending for spending's sake see us around £8 mil down to date.
With Barkley's fee still to come if anyone wants him. Nobody kicking the door down to get first dibs to date. Probably McCarthy fee to come as well.
If Big Ron thinks there worth the transfer fee asked that will do me.
Klaassen, Sandro, Onyekuru All good attack-minded players.
Year after year of Bent, Stracq, Tiler, John Spencer etc etc... Relax, sit back and enjoy the ride.
82 Posted 14/07/2017 at 18:43:44
83 Posted 15/07/2017 at 12:32:15
On the same thread, it looks like that Andy Robertson (Hull) may be joining our neighbours across the Park. I always liked him, and in many ways I'm surprised, that we haven't considered him too, let's face it Baines, who has been a great servant, is not getting any younger, and IMHO, has never been the same for the last couple of seasons.
84 Posted 15/07/2017 at 13:10:28
Even with some games playing 3 at the back the natural left footer (Funes Mori) is injured so that may mean switching Kenny or Holgate in the event of no new signing.
85 Posted 15/07/2017 at 14:43:28
So sorry to Kristian, and Tom, pay attention! :-)
86 Posted 18/07/2017 at 09:18:03
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