Oumar Niasse spearheads the attack again after his crucial goalscoring intervention last time out against Watford
David Unsworth dropped Davies and Rooney to the bench for today's vital game at Crystal Palace.
Gueye and Schneiderlin are reunited as the defensive blockers in midfield, while Williams continues to kick his heels on the bench. There is no place for Beni Baningimie in the squad.
Everton fell behind in farcically in the first minute. Straight from kick off the hosts attack as Ruben Loftus-Cheek's shot is parried by Jordan Pickford straight to James McArthur, who taps in from close range.
In a nothing challenge at the other end, Niasse runs into Dann, falls over, and wins a penalty! And Baines slams it home from the spot!!! What a crazy start to such a crucial game.
Nasse got a chance to walk the ball in on Speroni but could not produce a finish. Keane did well to pick out Lennon wide right who beat his man and whipped in a good cross but it was cleared.
It was pretty much rubbish football to watch at times: stupid fouls, poor ball control, no structure, no fluidity, no joined-up football.Everton gave up a couple of corners, Townsend's overhit orner poorly summing up the absolute lack of quality.
Palace were seeing more of the play but a turnover saw Niasse advancing clumsily down the left until he felt a tap on his ankle and fell over again, this time earning a yellow card for Milivojevic. But nothing came from Sigurdsson's free-kick.
McArthur was given another chance to score but Pickford had his shot well covered. Lookman was keen to get involved but could only foul his man. That saw Crystal Palace simply waltz through the non-existent Everton defence, a simple tap-in for Zaha after a sharp cross from Ward on the right, Baines nowhere to be seen.
Niasse finally went in the book for faking it when he jumped up with and fell again far too easily. Palace almost walked it in again as Everton rocked back, looking devoid of any ability to take a grip on proceedings that were rapidly going pear-shaped.
Everton won a corner when Dann headed behind needlessly. It was delivered well enough by Sigurdsson and Lookman fired in nicely on the turn but it was always rising beyond the goal. Keane was booked when Loftus-Cheek turned him well, Cabaye thankfully wasting the free-kick.
Another moment of craziness gifted Niasse a goal, Speroni giving Dann a hospital ball with Gueye in quickly to dispossess him and Sigurdsson poncing on the pass, playing in Niasse who took the chance very well, making him Everton's top scorer with SIX! Farcical football in all quarters of the field.
Unsworth made two changes in response to what he was seeing, Calvert-Lewin replacing Lookman, who had struggled, and Davies replacing Schneiderlin, who again had done nothing. But his charges still strugled with the home side outplaying them again at times.
Niasse fouled Cabaye very poorly from behind... (second) yellow card all day long, but Taylor remarkably let him off. Kenny was also looked upon kindly after a couple of crude fouls in quick succession. Palace continuing to present problems, getting forward and winning corners with Everton penned back.
Calvert-Lewin pressured Sakho, wining the ball, getting fouled, earning the Crystal Palace player a yellow card, and winning a dangerous free-kick for Sigurdsson, but nothing came of it.
At the other end, aggressive play by Davies earned him a yellow card and gave Palace a similar opportunity, blocked by the Everton wall. Meanwhile, Everton won some more corners, but could not fashion a direct chance on goal.
Palace were working harder to create openings and it required some stern defending from Everton to contain them with the minutes ticking away. Everton's counters were spirited but lacking in guile and easily thwarted. Sandro replaced Lennon for the final 15 mins.
Benteke came on and was set up well to strike but fumbled his shot wide. Kenny put in a brilliant cross in the last minute of normal time but Sandro got underneath it, At the other end, Benteke fired straight at Pickford, who punched it away.
Crystal Palace: Speroni, Ward, Dann, Sakho, Schlupp, Loftus-Cheek, Cabaye, Milivojevic [Y:32'], McArthur (75' Benteke), Townsend, Zaha.
Subs: Tomkins, Hennessey, Souare, Fosu-Mensah, Sako, Puncheon.
Everton: Pickford, Kenny, Keane [Y:45'], Jagielka, Baines, Schneiderlin (46' Davies [Y:65']), Gueye, Lennon (76' Sandro), Sigurdsson, Lookman (46' Calvert-Lewin), Niasse [Y:36'].
Subs not Used: Robles, Williams, Rooney, Martina.
Referee: Anthony Taylor
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1 Posted 18/11/2017 at 14:17:18
2 Posted 18/11/2017 at 14:34:35
5 Posted 18/11/2017 at 14:37:42
Today, we will see what you get for £46 million.
6 Posted 18/11/2017 at 14:38:11
This team should allow Sigurdsson to play his natural game... Here's hoping!
7 Posted 18/11/2017 at 14:39:52
I wouldn't have played Davies on his performance last week, so there's no real alternative to Schneiderlin and Gueye, unless we give Klaassen another chance to prove himself.
There's no need to play Baningime at this point. Still don't see why we persist with Sigurdsson, and especially when over Rooney, our top scorer this season. Sigurdsson does nothing.
Starting Lennon and Lookman on the wings is a damning indictment on our summer transfer policy, they're both poor players, but we've no choice other than to play wingers as we simply cannot create chances without them.
I personally would have started Calvert-Lewin over Niasse, because Niasse only seems capable of scoring or doing anything in the second half of games, he's best used as a 60-minute sub for me.
8 Posted 18/11/2017 at 14:43:56
Cannot keep giving teams a goal start, heads in front and hopefully everything will click into place.
The longer Benteke stays on the bench, the better.
9 Posted 18/11/2017 at 14:46:26
Baningime should've been in ahead of Schneiderlin.
10 Posted 18/11/2017 at 14:51:03
I like the look at of the team Rooney and Calvert-Lewin coming on in place of Niasse and Gueye in the later stages of the game. Another opportunity for Kenny.
11 Posted 18/11/2017 at 14:51:36
12 Posted 18/11/2017 at 14:58:31
13 Posted 18/11/2017 at 14:59:16
14 Posted 18/11/2017 at 15:04:54
15 Posted 18/11/2017 at 15:07:44
We got lucky there with the penalty. Soft.
16 Posted 18/11/2017 at 15:11:36
It doesn't inspire me with much confidence though looking at it. That's as far as winning is concerned, we have too many okay players!
17 Posted 18/11/2017 at 15:34:50
18 Posted 18/11/2017 at 15:40:21
19 Posted 18/11/2017 at 15:46:22
Happy for Lookman but wrong formation and time to just throw him in against a team with real pace and skill on the flanks that he's needs to track back constantly.
I wouldn't have William's in the squad, that's how poor he is.
20 Posted 18/11/2017 at 15:49:29
On a side note, Michael Keane is playing like he's had a lobotomy.
At 2-2 we are second-best in all departments.
21 Posted 18/11/2017 at 15:52:59
Just hope we can have another good second half.. Fingers crossed.
22 Posted 18/11/2017 at 15:54:53
He may be technically limited (and with each passing week, even that label may be misplaced), but by 'eck he puts a shift in. He is the only one showing any sort of zest or energy out there.
It is thanks to his tireless chasing of seemingly lost causes that we got our 2 goals.
Otherwise, what another totally insipid half by Everton.
Do any of these players actually CARE???
23 Posted 18/11/2017 at 15:56:44
And I'm glad Niasse is being given a go. It looks like he should score a goal this game.
24 Posted 18/11/2017 at 15:58:36
What's happened to Vlasic? He's got to be a better choice than Lookman.
25 Posted 18/11/2017 at 16:02:33
26 Posted 18/11/2017 at 16:03:49
27 Posted 18/11/2017 at 16:05:39
No team has to work really hard to create chances or score against us. We are shambolic defensively all over the park, not just the back four.
28 Posted 18/11/2017 at 16:36:49
Surely Niasse had to come off as he's off if he does anything at all now.
29 Posted 18/11/2017 at 16:41:22
30 Posted 18/11/2017 at 16:54:37
31 Posted 18/11/2017 at 16:55:15
I thought Sandro did well when he came on. Were you watching the game?
32 Posted 18/11/2017 at 16:59:12
As much as I like Unsworth for his passion, his tactics are wrong. Constant long balls being lumped up the field will get us nowhere. Dyche, Howe or Silva in asap.
33 Posted 18/11/2017 at 16:59:15
34 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:00:34
I'm relieved to get a point from this game.
Bottom of the table.
With just 4 points from 11 games before today.
One solitary win.
4 goals all season until today.
Honourable mentions to Niasse, Kenny (even though he cannot be fully exonerated for the 2 goals conceded) and Sandro, who brought some sparkle up front when he came.
But, bejayzus! There's a LOT of work needed to turn this group of players around.
35 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:00:59
36 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:02:43
It shows you what type of club we are, we spent £140 million in the summer and we still need a major overhaul.
Kenny was my MotM with Niasse a close second; the rest were abysmal.
37 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:03:33
The Sandro sub sums Unsworth up in a nutshell. Clueless. Cruel to keep him at it any longer.
MAKE AN APPOINTMENT!
38 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:05:55
The lad had the ball twice in the final third and got a shot off both times. It was awful in the 1st half.
When we pressed for 10 mins after half-time, we looked good, Calvert-Lewin should have buried his chance, no excuses there.
Davies's yellow card signalled the end of that, he has no idea how to play on a yellow. Completely neutered, he faded out of the games as did our fleeting influence
Both Kenny and Lennon were good without the ball today. Kenny is levelling out now, and just defending. Although his cross in '89 min was delicious.
It was almost 4-4-2 for a while in the 2nd half, it was limited but stemmed the tide. Desperate stuff.
39 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:06:08
Saying that, I think that if anyone else did come in now, they would find it extremely difficult to turn things around with this current squad of players.
Whether it's Unsie or anyone else, I think we are going to have to grin and bear it until at least the January window.
40 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:06:39
41 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:09:23
42 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:12:16
We were outplayed for much of the game and without Niasse, who tried his heart out, it would have been another disaster.
We've got to get someone in to focus the players and improve the tactics. I hope we will hear something within the next couple of days, then we can stop having so many worrying weekends.
43 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:18:05
44 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:18:30
We have become so bad because we've been on the slide for almost 4 years and we've forgotten how to defend properly. Unsworth is taking a little bit too much flak for my liking, what did people expect him to do with this squad?
Did the team show a desire to battle? Yes? Did they pick up a point from a game that they probably should have lost? Yes. Is it going to change the general ability of the squad? Probably not, but I'd rather be picking up points than not, even if they only come from draws.
The players, most of them, at least showed they are prepared to dig in even if they still suffer from the same issues that have affected them over the whole campaign.
Unsworth is likely not the answer but, then again, who is?
45 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:19:06
Sigurdsson has just slotted in with an average bunch of players.
Geuye does not know how to make a simple pass.
Keane is looking like he's never played football.
Calvert-Lewin should have put his foot through that chance and bust the net.
Pickford needs to stop hoofing the ball and also try holding onto it it from farty shots.
A valuable point in our relegation battle but a terrible advert for where the club stands in the football world.
46 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:20:00
But... we did come from behind twice (albeit via a dubious penalty and a moment of madness from the Palace keeper, but still)... and kept a clean sheet in the second half when Palace had us under siege and the crowd were fully behind them. This team definitely has some fight in it.
I'm actually surprised Palace have been so wretched they have some legitimate firepower in that squad.
47 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:20:39
48 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:26:38
If Unsworth stays, he must get rid of the 2 holding midfielders, play Niasse and Sandro together for a decent run of games. Get Vlasic involved and try and get a settled side. That's for starters.
49 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:26:38
50 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:26:50
I personally think they never should start with Schneiderlin and Gueye. They are both useless at playing football. We will always look like a mediocre team with these guys in the midfield. Gueye cannot make a simple pass forward. The only thing he can do is to win the ball and pass it backwards or sideways. You cannot even think about trying to dominate against any team with that level of useless offensive skills in the midfield.
You can say what you want but Crystal Palace have some good players in their squad. If we have underachieved this season, Palace have done so as well.
51 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:29:35
Gueye is totally useless as well as Schneiderlin.
52 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:30:20
Today's performance carried on from where we've been all season and before, with no real attempt to go forward and pressurise the opposition for a full 90 minutes. We just sat back throughout, inviting trouble. We were very lucky that Palace were nearly as poor as we were, except for Zaha and Loftus-Cheek, both of whom I would welcome at Everton any time.
On top of all that, we still do not have a single leader on the pitch!
Anyway, I'm coming home from the USA for a week at the end of November and have timed it badly two home games; v West Ham and Huddersfield!
Dare I hope to witness two wins after what we have seen of late?
53 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:30:51
Cudos to Unsworth for starting with Lookman and Lennon! We still need Vlasic in! If he was good when the rest sucked lately, I have to assume it's only Unsworth sticking with the players he knows, while tentatively widening that selection!
54 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:31:46
His players are fighting for him (come from behind four times in two games) and, despite everyone claiming we had no strikers under Koeman, we have scored five in those games.
Calm heads needed. Rhino's got this.
55 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:32:12
WTF is going on at Finch Farm and why do we sit back so sleepily every game.
56 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:32:56
I thought Unsworth picked a good balanced team today, but it was obvious after about 20 minutes that we were too deep, and Niasse was on his own up front.
Credit to Unsworth, he corrected it at half time, his subs were the right call again.
There were a couple of things that surprised me though Schneiderlin starting, Rooney not coming on...
I think we have a problem with Sigurdsson. He played a nice controlled pass for Niasse to score the 2nd, but that apart, I thought he was distinctly average again. He runs around and tries but he has not brought us much in my opinion, certainly not enough to justify £45 million. He seems to get shunted around the pitch every time we change formation, and I haven't seen him play well in any of them yet. It might seem harsh but it's the truth.
57 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:34:34
It looks like we'll probably get Marco Silva but his teams let in a lot of goals. Burnley and Dyche won again today with another clean sheet. Is he the manager we really need??
58 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:39:58
The young lads showed their lack of nous... Pickford trying to get a quick counter going late-on, when he needed to hold the ball, run down the clock and give his mates a breather. Davies, Lookman and Calvert-Lewin all failed to control their play, getting basics wrong. We are full of problems, Baines is no threat on his wing, and Jags and Keane are an accident waiting to happen. Schneiderlin is a half-arsed lazy waster, and Gueye is nothing but a chaser.
The defence all hit it long, and it kept coming back. So they did it again, and again! The Sahko and Dann were there to be roasted by quick footed runners, and so Unsworth took off Lookman and Lennon... The long balls over the top suited the monsters perfectly.
A poor game that we should have lost by three goals.
It's going to be a horrible season and only the existence of 3 worse teams will save us.
59 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:39:59
We lack craft, and we lack calmness on the ball, it says something when Calvert Lewin, looks like "our best footballer" but at least we never lost.
Confidence is a big issue, but so is quality too, and it's something that we really lacked today. In saying that it's not a bad point, because Palace have definitely improved, and don't look like they will stay down the bottom for that long to me.
60 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:40:55
61 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:41:56
We hardly have any good football players in our team. How the fuck can you expect us to play so fuckin' well?
Can anyone in here name a very good football player playing in a blue shirt right now? Give me one name.
62 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:43:49
Give Sigurdsson one almighty kick up the arse then tell the rest of them if they don't start doing the business now they will be shown the door next summer. We will then see who's up for it and who isn't.
None of this squad will get into any of the top 5 sides. Maybe Pickford that's it. The distance the way we are dragged down into the gutter. Sick of the lot of em. Tossers.
63 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:44:19
64 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:44:24
65 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:45:49
66 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:46:15
67 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:49:27
68 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:51:02
69 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:51:08
70 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:53:41
I know they are all crap this season but Schneiderlin is taking it to extremes and I cannot fathom how he got a start. Schneiderlin, Klaassen, Williams, Martina, Robles and Sandro should start with all young kids against Atalanta. Although the rest are crap, we cannot afford any injuries on Thursday as the Southampton and West Ham matches are of paramount importance.
I can't see a new manager coming in and believe the board will just hope that our luck and God knows we've had more than our fair share against Watford and Palace continues in the next 2 games. Looking at the teams below us tonight only West Brom and Swansea are presently as bad as us.
Woy with the present Palace squad and their pace will come good and I can see Moyes slowly making West Ham harder to beat. I just can't see us getting out of the bottom half dozen. The only positive tonight is that, again, we didn't actually lose.
71 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:56:59
We are in it, good and proper. We cant pass the ball FFS, and half the expensively assembled squad are pissed off.
No manger is going to magically fix this lot. Deeply concerned.
72 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:57:09
73 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:58:06
All credit to Niasse giving it 100% as usual, Kenny MotM and Sandro looks like his touch has returned but Schneiderlin? Woeful.
74 Posted 18/11/2017 at 17:58:37
You don't turn this team around overnight. Hopefully they'll gain a bit more confidence from today.
75 Posted 18/11/2017 at 18:04:57
We swapped Romelu Lukaku for Wayne Rooney and then spent all Summer waiting for Gylfi to arrive instead of signing a solid defender or two and a goalscorer. It's going to take some investment in the playing staff to change this around.
A summer of calamitous business. It's not terminal but we are the makers of our destiny and we fluffed our lines. Koeman was a massive mistake but we'll weather the storm. We're missing Barkley.
76 Posted 18/11/2017 at 18:06:19
77 Posted 18/11/2017 at 18:07:55
And as for Keane, he needs to be coached not to jump in and get turned, he done it against Watford and got punished, and again today!
78 Posted 18/11/2017 at 18:08:19
We can't even dream of competing with Man City, Chelsea and Man Utd until (if ever) Farhad gets his bessie mate in on the act.
How do we improve? I hear you ask... Well, I wondered what Howard Kendall was doing when he first came. What he did was to try several players within a structure. The '85 side was the product of systematically finding the best 11 players to fit Kendall's way of playing.
I urge you to look at Kendall's first team squads from '82-'85. We need a single-minded gaffer with the same imagination. A manager whom the board and shareholders will wholeheartedly back even if that means sailing close to the FFP wind.
79 Posted 18/11/2017 at 18:11:22
80 Posted 18/11/2017 at 18:11:25
He does absolutely nothing apart from misplacing passes, mis-timing tackles and having a couldn't care less attitude.
The sooner this waste of space is out of the club, the better.
81 Posted 18/11/2017 at 18:12:05
I don't comment on games I'm not watching.
82 Posted 18/11/2017 at 18:16:20
Koeman was a disaster, that's for certain, the recruitment alone was a sacking event. I'm not sure that you can pin it 100% on him though, others at the club probably should shoulder some blame.
Yes, some managers are better than others but any manager will struggle with this squad, we have no flair in the team anywhere on the field.
Our problem now is what's it going to cost to make us a serious threat to the top six? A fortune that's what, unless some of our young players can make the jump up to Premier League level.
83 Posted 18/11/2017 at 18:21:20
The saddest thing is the team he took over from Martinez was better than the team he has left Unsworth with (for now). We have a squad filled with players who have been great, and players with the potential to become great but right now we have no top, top players. They've all either left or aged well past their best. Frankly, I see no way we are going to attract any real quality in January.
Schneiderlin was conspicuous by his anonymity (I had to ask a couple of times if he was playing), Sigurdsson at £45m is a complete stitch-up, Niasse works his nuts off whenever he plays and is invaluable for his nuisance factor, Lennon seemed to put in a decent shift today to me, Kenny shows promise, Calvert-Lewin is not (yet anyway) a striker and the rest seem either confused or inept.
There is probably someone out there who could provide the spark to jump-start this renovation project but I personally cannot begin to speculate who that might be. Whichever name gets mentioned, it always seems like a lottery.
Scrappers we are I just hope our new man can scrape us together enough points to stay safe and start again next summer.
84 Posted 18/11/2017 at 18:23:30
Swansea will still be in the shit; if we can sell Sigurdsson back to them for most of what we paid, then good stuff. Sell Klaassen back to Ajax and Schneiderlin to anyone will pay for Gibson and Tierney.
As for a couple of strikers well anyone. Keep Barkley and we might have a chance of staying up.
85 Posted 18/11/2017 at 18:42:21
Not sure how. We were never this bad. Koeman spent about £300 million in his time. Martinez's team is all but gone.
86 Posted 18/11/2017 at 18:42:34
Unsworth's league record as manager now reads, P4 W2 D1 L1 Pts 7. Now, if Allardyce or anyone else had got the gig and produced this type of record there'd be many on here who would be praising his appointment. I'm not suggesting Unsworth is the ticket, but let's not be overcritical. The truth of the matter is that the squad he's got to play with is, quite simply, poor and are, Rooney excepted, a bunch of shrinking violets.
87 Posted 18/11/2017 at 18:45:22
When you go into a match with only four attacking players, and one of those is Lennon, just walk out with the white flag. There was never any intention of tryin to win that match. Its all just pathetic. And do not give me any garbage about the team showing fight. They were gifted a penalty and should have been beaten easily had Palace been anywhere near clinical with their finishing.
88 Posted 18/11/2017 at 18:55:56
You have to ask yourself how the fuck did Mr Everton, old teary eyes Boys Pen Bill, allow Koeman and Walsh to destroy this club? WTF was Kenwright doing just sitting back watching his beloved club being dismantled?? Bill Kenwright is supposed to be an Evertonian and knowledgeable about football isn't he??
At what point is it time for a Chairman / Owner to say enough is enough. Abramovich doesn't have a problem putting the boot in when it's needed.
If there is blame to be dished out, it should all fall on Kenwright as he should know better and should have seen the warning signs like some of us fans did in the summer.
Moshiri is little more than a stooge sitting there clapping like a gormless fool while the club sinks and Bill bullshits. What top managers would want to come here and work under these two Muppets?
89 Posted 18/11/2017 at 18:56:36
90 Posted 18/11/2017 at 19:02:01
91 Posted 18/11/2017 at 19:04:39
I would suggest that David Unsworth knows what is necessary. We are bereft of confidence and still unsure of our best team. In my view, no manager in the world will turn this round quickly. Give the man a chance.
92 Posted 18/11/2017 at 19:09:05
I don't know if it's due to the fact that Unsy still hasn't had a full week to work with this lot (yet), or it's that he's out of his depth, or just that this squad is shite. I honestly don't have a clue. Maybe it's a mix of all three. I just don't know. What I do know is that we can't continue in this vein or we will be in the toilet.
Tony, well said, mate. Wtf is Kenwright doing? He's supposed to be the football man, the custodian of Everton, the true blue etc... while Moshiri is, supposedly, the money man. Get yer act together or get lost.
93 Posted 18/11/2017 at 19:15:05
Apart from some kick-and-rush football, we've been as poor as ever.
94 Posted 18/11/2017 at 19:19:17
Have we taken 4 points from our last couple of fixtures? Agreed, the team isn't functioning much better than it has done all season but, in order to stave off the threat of relegation, we need to pick up points by hook or by crook. Most supporters realise that there will not be many, if any, champagne performances this season, so any point is to be welcomed if it ultimately helps to keep us in the Premier League.
It's very disappointing compared to how high our hopes were during the summer. Many fans and indeed the owner, would be wise to adjust their thinking and see what we are, as opposed to what we should be or what they dream about us being.
The club is in a fight with perhaps five other sides to stay in the Premier League. Villa dropped out of the Premier League, because they and their fans thought that style and not substance would see them safe. Everton FC and its fans should be wary of making the same mistake.
95 Posted 18/11/2017 at 19:21:19
96 Posted 18/11/2017 at 19:21:41
I know you have wished defeat on us which is shameful enough. But, we all know the inadequacies of Kenwright. You are not the only man who sees it. However, Tony, I ask you once again to provide a link to a positive comment.
You will not be able to because you are a barrack-room lawyer who states the obvious and has not got a fucking clue or an original thought. Give us a link to a positive comment you have made in the last 15 years.
97 Posted 18/11/2017 at 19:22:50
A very poor decision by Unsworth today. Rooney has been our best player to date and, as I keep saying, I would play Davies with Rooney in the holding positions as at least they look to move the ball forward. You could then play Sigurdsson in the Number 10 position until Ross is fit again.
I thought Niasse put in one hell of a shift today and to think he could have been a Palace player. Not sure where we would be without him at the moment.
This is going to be a very long season with us struggling to stay out of the bottom 3. I am not sure which Manager can get us out of this mess but, on today's showing it is not David Unsworth and I was hopeful he was going to be our saviour.
98 Posted 18/11/2017 at 19:23:23
I have watched YouTube videos of Sunderland last season and he was doing the same then and they were conceding goals from it. New manager required, a coach type of manager who knows technically how to get us playing defensively secure without stifling our attack.
99 Posted 18/11/2017 at 19:24:44
100 Posted 18/11/2017 at 19:28:28
Also, start with Sandro and Oumar for the next 6 games, let them build an understanding. Find a place for Vlasic as he is pacey and has good technique. Get Lookman playing further up the field and let him or Vlasic feed a front two.
Give the opposing defence something to worry about and take the pressure off our back four. The reason we look so shit at the back is because the defence are under continual wave after wave of attacks. The two holding midfielders aren't protection at all.
I know nothing about football but those saying there's nothing for a manager to work with are way off. Before the results went tits-up, most thought we had a good squad minus a striker but Niasse was brought back so what's changed?? Shit management – that's what...
101 Posted 18/11/2017 at 19:30:10
Can anyone tell me what bad things did Unsworth ever do to put us in this situation?
And how can you expect Unsworth to put a team to make super performances without access to top players?? Can anyone tell me that.
I see improvement under Unsworth, meaning players are actually giving a fight and they do not give up when they are one or two goals down. THAT IS A BIG IMPROVMENT FROM THE KOEMAN REGIME!
Realize that there is no quick fix to this. Unsworth is as good as any other mangager to turn this. Give him a chance and see what he can do. At least for the rest of this season. Give him a couple of windows we might look good again.
102 Posted 18/11/2017 at 19:33:17
We look improved under Unsworth. Now we fight continously, under Koeman we did not.
You cannot expect anything else than what you got now with any coach. We simply lack player material. That is solely Koemans fault.
I support Unsworth, not because we played brilliant today or against Watford, but I see improvment. As long as we improve Unsworth is the man for me.
103 Posted 18/11/2017 at 19:34:18
On today's point at Palace, I don't see us putting three or four wins together. Take the point, Palace are fighting relegation like us.
Our busiest time of the season is coming and no manager in charge. No time for a manager to organise things and with a transfer window coming up. We've made a right mess of it with the international break gone and no manager appointed.
104 Posted 18/11/2017 at 19:35:20
All of Unsworth's team selections so far have been terrible. He should utilize the options he has got. He is doing the same mistakes as Koeman made. The 2 holding midfielders for one no striker or just the one up top when we can all see we are much better with 2 strikers.... No Vlasic. Why??
Unsworth is lost at this level; we can all see his mistakes and they are easily remedied.
105 Posted 18/11/2017 at 19:38:24
With no planning they have sacked a manager without having a replacement, publicly making offers for other managers, with an obvious disagreement over who to appoint Kenwright wanting Unsworth and Moshiri wanting a manager with more style. They summed it up to say it was a mess and the split board are at fault: no planning, no decisions...
The mess, as they so rightly state is appalling. We were bad today... and lucky; Palace were by far the better team. Leaving Rooney on the bench unused only proved one point, that Sigurdsason had the opportunity to stake his claim to the No 10 shirt and was hopeless. I bet Rooney was fuming.
What it also said today was that even though Unsworth has blue blood and loves the club, he is not the coach to get us out of this mess.
Baines not at the match
Keane positional play was dire
Jagielka did he play today?
Schniederlin did absolutely nothing
Sigurdsson headless chicken, no impact whatsoever
Lennon defended okay, but no penetration at all
Lookman lost, out of his depth, lightweight...
Niasse his running earned us a point, again.. but eventually he stopped trying
Davies a terrier that we immediately shackled with a booking and lost its teeth
I really don't know who would be willing to take us on as manager, we are that bad. The good ones will look at it and think, "No thanks!" The untried will just be chancers and more likely than not go down... we need a strong hand at the helm now. Cannot wait another minute.
I cannot believe the mess we are in, but then yes I can. The blame is not just Koeman's but the board for having no plan, no appointment and no idea.
We have a squad of good enough players but not the ones we need to create a good team. We need a manager in now to assess what we have and purchase what they need in January. Stick with Unsworth and we go down.
106 Posted 18/11/2017 at 19:39:30
Schneiderlin shouldn't start another Premier League game as it's as well starting with 10 players.
Our team selection is so bad that major changes have had to be made at half team most every game to rectify obvious deficiencies. Pathetic.
Since Moyes's last game, we have never, not once, played a full 90 minutes. Every game consists of one good half and one 45 minutes of shit. We must be the most consistent unfit team in the league.
From top to bottom, this Club needs a clear out. With the money Kenwright and Woods have made out the Club, surely after being shown the door, they can afford a season ticket.
107 Posted 18/11/2017 at 19:43:55
There is nobody in that side who wanted to get hold of the ball and play with a calming influence on the rest of the players. No-one seems to think, just lash it forward and hope for the best. They don't even find touch with the ball to give themselves some breathing space, I found itvery embarrassing to watch most of the game.
I have to say, I believe in Sandro and he he is obviously, to me, a good footballer who will improve the more he plays. I prefer him not to play on the wing. No-one needs telling it is going to be a very long season.
108 Posted 18/11/2017 at 19:46:40
Admittedly, it didn't pay off, because we were too deep. But we are all wise with hindsight.
109 Posted 18/11/2017 at 19:51:35
110 Posted 18/11/2017 at 19:52:01
For fuck's sake, you are creating a vibe that is just miserable... and not because of the play or the club.
111 Posted 18/11/2017 at 19:55:20
From my seat, we have three problems: Gana, Schneiderlin and Pickford. All three should not be in the team at the moment.
Lennon was our best player today, he did everything asked of him and more. Niasse has the heart of a lion and would run through a brick wall, the Palace fans where giving him shit and he just gave them a big cheesy grin. Great to see a fighting spirit in the team but so many individual mistakes cost us yet again. COYB
112 Posted 18/11/2017 at 19:55:21
I think Unsworth was trying to protect the back 4 with his starting line-up, but it doesn't really leave much in attack, especially with Sigurdsson not really being the type of player that can drive forward with the ball and beat a man.
113 Posted 18/11/2017 at 19:58:27
114 Posted 18/11/2017 at 20:00:37
From what I've heard, he may be having a change of heart. The Emperor is playing a blinder.
115 Posted 18/11/2017 at 20:01:03
By his own admission, he speaks to the chairman "every day". How much of his team selection is coming from "advice" from the chairman, that he can't ignore, if he really wants to land the job full time?
I think that if Unsworth is appointed to the post or given to the end of the season etc we may well see an entirely different approach to team selection and tactics.
I don't suppose he had to suffer the same sort of oversight from the Chairman with regard to the U23s and they seemed to do alright, but until he gets the job, confirmed, Unsworth can't be his "own man", that's why I think so many of these misfits are being shoehorned into the side whether they are a good fit or not.
116 Posted 18/11/2017 at 20:03:30
He needs to learn to distribute the ball to our players because he constantly puts us under pressure.
Our midfield is woeful at passing and keeping the ball. Simple, short passes should be bread and butter.
And where are the runners? We always have players attacking alone with nobody running beyond them. It's madness.
This squad seems completely shorn of any confidence which manifests itself with them all looking lost.
117 Posted 18/11/2017 at 20:08:02
Seamus will return sometime in 2018. We all want him back at full power. I'll be shocked (happily) is we ever see one of the best RBs in the Premier League back out as we remember him. Pushing 30, coming off a double leg-break? I can't see it.
However long Unsworth has the job, I hope he keeps rolling Jonjoe out there. He's Coleman's substitute for now. His replacement for good, young Kenny.
The kid just has that look about him.
119 Posted 18/11/2017 at 20:08:42
Unsworth doesn't deserve blame but the now dire situation created by the boardroom demands, if they want to avoid relegation, appointing an established manager asap, because at least three signings in January are needed every bit as much as they were in summer, as voiced by Koeman.
Getting rid of two of our four No 10s would be handy as well, together with our two perennially injured defensive midfielders and Mirallas, as well as the buffoon(s) who gave him another 3-year contract in May.
120 Posted 18/11/2017 at 20:12:13
121 Posted 18/11/2017 at 20:13:24
122 Posted 18/11/2017 at 20:15:36
The fault he does have, though, is the tendency to make a dramatic save but push the ball out direct to an opposition forward. I think at least four goals have resulted from this lack of technique. But, all-in-all, he is a great improvement on his predecessors, Robles and Howard.
123 Posted 18/11/2017 at 20:20:37
Fair comment though about the empire crumbling! :-)
124 Posted 18/11/2017 at 20:24:47
125 Posted 18/11/2017 at 20:27:03
That was a point we dipped today. Palace seemed to have wave after wave of attacks. Without cold reflection and only the ability to recall the game from memory at first hand, I may be open to correction.
My son mentioned how poor Schneiderlin's positional sense is. When playing in the pocket, awareness is crucial. The amount of times we witnessed him marking space and not a dangerous player that was playing between the lines seemed criminal. He's in need of a benching.
We both agreed that Lennon put a shift in and was well applauded when subbed. Kenny got MotM from my lad whilst I chose Niasse. Calvert-Lewin does seem to have real prescience about him this season though he does need to be a touch more clinical. Worked hard today.
We are in a relegation fight at this juncture. Anyone who feels our heritage, history, financial status or any other factor allows us to be exempt from this very real struggle are dangerous. The goals we're conceding are calamitous. We can prevent them with astute defending.
The goals we're scoring do seem to have a touch of good fortune and are not attributed to outstanding build-up. We're in a battle, plain and simple. South coast next week. I feel we can take something from this game.
126 Posted 18/11/2017 at 20:30:08
Unsy has got a plan when he plays the two holding midfielders. Koeman, on the other hand, was clueless when he played them.
127 Posted 18/11/2017 at 20:41:43
128 Posted 18/11/2017 at 20:45:50
Today was just another example of how far we have fallen. Our U23s are now being tanked by that shower across the park as I type. Personally we are years behind the top six and, if things don't change, we may not stay in the Premier League.
Some people at our club need a kick up the ass and fired for their part in destroying our once great Latin motto.
129 Posted 18/11/2017 at 20:47:55
I thought Sigurdsson played well enough, not brilliant, but he was behind most of our attacking moves. Not his fault if Koeman paid well over the odds for him, then threw into a team in absolute chaos. Very little for him to aim at today, but he did set up Calvert-Lewin with an excellent chance in the second half, but he blew it.
We are short up front, although Niasse is just what we need at the moment, he has a lion heart and never stops fighting. Good finisher as well when given the opportunity; he needs help, hopefully it will arrive in January.
130 Posted 18/11/2017 at 20:48:42
Youngsters not ready to start pressure games and the experienced players are not the level we require.
131 Posted 18/11/2017 at 20:50:03
We are getting relegated unless a manager with Premier League experience is brought in asap and brings in his own staff and coaching teams, as whoever is coaching at Finch Farm does not have what it takes to address the challenges of today's Top Division, where a blend of technique, athleticism and pace is essential.
132 Posted 18/11/2017 at 20:50:52
'We badly need to get McCarthy fit'... Jesus Christ when in the last five years has he ever 'taken control of our midfield'?
He is an absolute total 'sicknote' and should be off-loaded as soon as possible, especially after his shenanigans with Ireland when he should have had some balls and told O'Neill to do one.
We are in deep trouble if you're pinning your hopes on McCarthy getting us out of the mire.
133 Posted 18/11/2017 at 20:54:10
134 Posted 18/11/2017 at 20:54:21
We got lucky today. We are a very poor side with players who simply do not get what playing for Everton means.
Wayne Rooney, like him or not, gets it. He has been good this season. Not Man Utd good, but better than the mediocrity that surrounds him.
135 Posted 18/11/2017 at 21:03:16
Am I alone in thinking that we are now playing even worse than we did under Koeman?
136 Posted 18/11/2017 at 21:03:44
What has become of Vlasic, by the way? Also, I agree Sandro needs a run in the side.
137 Posted 18/11/2017 at 21:04:04
And what have you "heard"?
138 Posted 18/11/2017 at 21:04:39
It was like watching a Championship team playing an average Premier League team. There is no fluent play or quick interchange of passes, it's like not signing a top striker has given the rest of the team an excuse not to perform.
After all, it's basically the same team who finished 7th the season before.
139 Posted 18/11/2017 at 21:05:37
Silva is a massive gamble; he might have a good past record and has had some good results but he has proved nothing in this league... and this squad of players – no matter who is in charge – could easily go down!
In my opinion, no matter who comes in as manager, we will need the January window to sort this mess of a squad out which for me has somehow unbelievably gone backwards since Moshiri's money!!
140 Posted 18/11/2017 at 21:07:22
A fellow blue has been pointing out a fault of Pickford's (which happened again today) but told me he would't say it on ToffeeWeb or social media because people would refuse to see it and he would be accused of picking on him.
He was spot on too and, although I was also slow to see the fault, the evidence is there when I look back. Too often the soppy side of us refuse to see simple faults and nobody learns anything until it sinks in that it's happening all the time.
James McCarthy and Schneiderlin are perfect examples of this. Both lauded by fans for looking energetic in their honeymoon periods but achieved nothing as Everton players and hardly put any effort in away from home.
Look at it now, we have a squad full of homers who struggle at home. Away from home... let's not state the obvious.
The Pickford thing I will leave for others to notice for themselves. I like the lad but he has made a good few errors this season. Sadly, if you say something early, you are laughed at or ignored by people you would be happy to share your point with.
141 Posted 18/11/2017 at 21:07:46
I'm sorry, but Unsworth is looking completely out of his depth. This reliance on Aaron fucking Lennon is insane. Going back to Gana and Schneiderlin in the middle, I can't remember a worse central midfield pairing. The football is atrocious. There is no consistency in team selection from week to week. I honestly would have preferred to have kept Koeman if this is all we expect, a lucky draw against Palace. At this point I'd rather they just don't show up for the derby.
142 Posted 18/11/2017 at 21:19:39
143 Posted 18/11/2017 at 21:20:15
Steve, you are correct: McCarthy has been unfit constantly over the last couple of seasons but put the blame firstly on Martinez who rushed him back without James being fit; McCarthy and we Everton fans are suffering the consequences.
As for When did he take control of our midfield? Think back, Steve, to the Arsenal game less than 12 months ago, it was his drive and determination, plus the verbal lashing he was giving his team mates, that had a big part in our win that night. He was giving as good as he got in the game against Liverpool before he had to go off injured.
Yes, Steve, he is no help when he is injured but Christy is talking about when he is fit and unfortunately he may never get back to the way he was so it will be our loss.
144 Posted 18/11/2017 at 21:23:17
I admit I hadn't been concerned by it prior to Hoddle's intervention but Seaman went on to say that it's natural for a young keeper to fail to get a full hand on the ball and with time, practice and experience it will be eradicated. For fuck's sake, we haven't got much to celebrate but having a go at a promising young keeper just isn't right and isn't going to help him or the team.
I'm glad that those who attended the Watford game didn't only listen to the pundits and chose to get behind the team despite its glaring inadequacies, as did the support at Palace today. We are in a mess but I don't see the point of wallowing in it or continuing to find fault in everything and everyone. I suppose if we don't lose heavily in the derby, all will be forgiven?
145 Posted 18/11/2017 at 21:33:38
Palace have turned a corner recently and carry plenty of threat now they are playing with confidence so ‘a point against the bottom side we are so shit' comments don't hold up for me.
A point and coming back twice away from home after an international break where no-one got injured is actually a positive weekend from me. That might be an indictment of what we've become as a club but that's where we were on Saturday morning so anyone who thought we were going to win 3-0 and be in sixth place is just kidding themselves.
The side looked balanced to start with and he made the right subs, early at half-time for me. Tick in the box for the manager.
It would have been very easy to just bring on Rooney at the end but when is Sandro going to get back in to the first team if not today? He added something and will grow in confidence for it.
Good performance from the manager and some of the team today. A small step in the right direction which is all we can expect.
146 Posted 18/11/2017 at 21:39:10
What we are witnessing is a collapse in coaching fundamentals in every department of the team and helmsmanship from someone unfit to be manager.
Can anyone see past a slaughter in the looming derby? The only way we'll come out of it on the decent side of a 4-0 hiding is if Klopp tells his "Jungs" not to humilate us after the requisite goals-for have been secured.
The board continues to fumble, or stall, or "prevarciate about the bush" (as Wallace voiced by the late Peter Sallis would say) while the team continues to play like everyone has two left feet and a blindfold.
It's just a car crash from Moshiri right down to the tea ladies.
148 Posted 18/11/2017 at 21:43:09
He goes hard at the ball. Rebounds come out, not to the side. That will improve.
Temperament is also an issue. Too keen to distribute when a turnover puts us right back in it. Judgement needs fine tuning.
Again time will improve that. Decent, decent keeper but he of the many has least to worry about.
149 Posted 18/11/2017 at 21:43:39
We should have started with Tom Davies; when he came on as a sub, he was trying too hard playing catch-up. Sandro needs game time but Rooney, I feel, would have come on with a real point to prove.
Keane is an utter disappointment so far this season. Looks slow, lacks awareness a £30m improvement on Pennington or a fit Funes Mori? Not in my book.
As for Schneiderlin, at least Alan Ainscow gave the impression of trying.
150 Posted 18/11/2017 at 21:43:41
There is definitely a power struggle going on in the boardroom, it's been on-going for some time. Kenwright wants another "Moyes" and for me that is the biggest problem of all with Everton.
Schneiderlin will be offered to any interested clubs in the next window, I reckon.
151 Posted 18/11/2017 at 21:45:17
This seems harder to stomach than the dark, dark days towards the end of the Gordon Lee Walter Smith, and Mike Walker eras.
I've no hint about what's going on inside the boardroom, but somewhere the club has forgotten how to play football and the players have lost their natural spark and inkling to try and play.
Which manager will take over? As it stands, I'd go for Dyche... I can't see any of the so-called continental managers like Simeone, Ancellotti etc hacking it here, based on the current board set-up.
Criminal but that's life at the moment with EFC, and the next month I don't see much changing and the dark side is sadly ascending.
Terrible times but surely it will improve?
152 Posted 18/11/2017 at 21:45:29
My God, no wonder Kenwright has gotten away with decades of failures. When your customers don't demand more, why bother?
153 Posted 18/11/2017 at 21:49:37
154 Posted 18/11/2017 at 21:49:45
155 Posted 18/11/2017 at 21:50:59
157 Posted 18/11/2017 at 21:57:15
158 Posted 18/11/2017 at 21:57:37
The first thing you do when taking over a team in our situation is shore up the defence get the confidence back and build from there. We are still far too easy to play against and guarantee goals for the opposition.
Hopefully it's finally clicked that Rooney shouldn't be starting. I'm not holding my breath though.
159 Posted 18/11/2017 at 21:59:23
The kid needs to be treated as a youngster again and given time to enjoy his football.
160 Posted 18/11/2017 at 22:05:29
Along with Sigurdsson, Klaassen, Sandro and Keane, this has to be the worst transfer window in the history of the club. Awful buy after awful buy... And to think there were fans genuinely excited about the season ahead. Not – I was worried sick, and still am.
161 Posted 18/11/2017 at 22:05:33
The team selection is not relevant to conceding a goal after 50 seconds. It doesn't matter what team we put out, we shouldn't be opened up that quickly.
I thought the team selection was good today. The team was balanced. Admittedly, I probably would have put Davies in for Schneiderlin, and maybe Rooney in place of Sigurdsson. But we can all nit-pick at the odd player like that.
We had two wingers, with Sigurdsson playing as a Number 10 and Niasse up front. This is what everyone has been asking for and the team looked good on paper. It obviously wasn't working, as we were too deep and Niasse was isolated. But the changes at half-time worked, so again Unsie has got his subs right.
162 Posted 18/11/2017 at 22:06:37
And the reason Koeman changed his opinion of him, after bossing the games against Arsenal and Liverpool, until injury struck again. If he could get through a couple of games unscathed, would be huge.
163 Posted 18/11/2017 at 22:13:40
164 Posted 18/11/2017 at 22:14:06
But he 'll turn out to be up there with the likes of Southall (not as great, like) and Nigel Martyn for me. A cracking young keeper and the only one that Koeman got right. In my own esteemed opinion, by the way!
165 Posted 18/11/2017 at 22:30:11
166 Posted 18/11/2017 at 22:40:31
167 Posted 18/11/2017 at 22:41:24
168 Posted 18/11/2017 at 22:41:48
Koeman has done a great injustice, with his arrogance, and implausible purchases with an open chequebook. Whilst walking away with little or no remorse whatsoever, but a heavily inflated bank balance.
Having said that, after grasping the poisoned chalice, today, Unsy showed that the position is far beyond his ambitious endeavours.
The rot is firmly embedded, a lot due to the inflated, and immoral amounts these players receive. (I was going to say 'earn', but that would be a total misnomer in most cases.)
The whole situation is not helped by a Chairman, who purportedly, is a dyed-in-the-wool blue, but can't see the wood for the trees.
We love Everton, Unsy loves Everton, but more than that is needed to rescue us before it is too late.
169 Posted 18/11/2017 at 22:46:50
Where do you buy your magic mushrooms from?
It's better than reality though.
170 Posted 18/11/2017 at 22:48:04
Spot on. Unsworth has made horrible team selections in every game he has been in charge. I was all for giving him a go due to his success with the reserves but soon realised after two games he wasn't up to it.
People pull me over it in here but I quickly came to my senses and took off the blue-tinted spectacles.
It really is a mess now, and the longer it goes on, the harder to reverse. Kenwright is to blame for pissing about. If it wasn't Unsworth, it would've been Moyes...
Kenwright needs to fuck off out of the club now. How could Kenwright sanction the huge signing of Sigurdsson while allowing Lukaku to leave?
That was the start of our troubles the pathetic transfer policy .
171 Posted 18/11/2017 at 22:52:17
What' s your opinion, though? Do you want a new coach on a 3-year deal? A 1-year deal? A one-match deal?
You know you don't want Unsworth, is that it? Is that your contribution?
172 Posted 18/11/2017 at 22:59:34
I was delighted with the signing of Keane and I'm gutted to say that he looks like a complete donkey.
Normally with a struggling team you can at least pick out the problem. Here it's unfathomable. It doesn't seem to matter who plays or what formation, we are just a hopeless, aimless football team.
God help the manager who has to clear this mess up. Short of selling every single player, I don't know how it can be fixed.
173 Posted 18/11/2017 at 23:09:18
Who any of us want as next in charge is irrelevant – just like the guys on here who select starting 11s before kick-off – it serves no purpose. I wish you would all wake the fuck up and start getting real. It's not who we want any more – it's what fucker will come!!!
The Everton supporters have made sure guaranteed Premier League survival has gone with the abuse and disrespectful attitude towards Sam Allardyce. So now either Unsworth takes us down for sure or we take a gamble with our survival and appoint an unknown quantity when it comes to fighting in the bottom 3.
If we do get relegated, you and the baying mob can say at least we stopped big Fat Sam Allardyce, the money-grabber, from coming here. Be great to say when we are playing Ipswich away next season.
174 Posted 18/11/2017 at 23:16:14
We do have some decent players but they are either omitted or instructed poorly. Unsworth is just as bad as Koeman for being a fuck-up tactically and with his starting 11.
A proper manager who knows what he is doing can get a tune out of this squad easily...
Remember how shit we all thought the team Mike Walker left Joe Royle? They were 8 points adrift at the bottom we ended up mid-table and won the FA Cup as well.
We need a good coach and this shit will all go away.
175 Posted 18/11/2017 at 23:26:34
176 Posted 18/11/2017 at 23:29:13
177 Posted 18/11/2017 at 23:31:49
And the score was?
178 Posted 18/11/2017 at 23:34:35
179 Posted 18/11/2017 at 23:35:16
The lack of decisiveness in bringing a manager and support staff is is beginning to look like the Sigurdsson saga totally embarrassing the club and causing unrest in the dressing room.
For me, something has stunk at Everton for a long while and the team spirit and harmony throughout the club that Moyes built up has disintegrated into a collection of individuals that look like they have never played together before and, as long as the ball is kicked up the other end of the pitch, it's okay.
It is sad and worrying when a young kid at right back is your best defender and your £30m buy at centre-half looks like he hasn't played a senior game before.
I hate to say it because I have been hoping (dreaming) that we might be able to persuade Ancellotti or Tuchel to take the "project" on but, after today, I believe we need someone like Dyche who can organize and cajole this team to at least give us something to build on.
IMO it will take us a couple of years now to get back to the level Moyes had us at never mind the top 4.
180 Posted 18/11/2017 at 23:37:19
I like Unsworth as reserve team coach but he is a joke at this level. Today proved it. Go pop your champagne now, Brent we got a draw at Palace. Jesus, no wonder Kopites laugh at us with fans like you around.
181 Posted 18/11/2017 at 23:38:51
Given his ambition to make us one of the top clubs in the country, persisting with Kenwright is like expecting the skipper of the Mersey Ferry to successfully captain an ocean-going cruiser because he'd always got his vessel to the right destination after all.
So, as desperate as the need for a proper manager is, Moshiri might just be more concerned with finding somebody right now to successfully chair his boardroom and limit his financial vulnerability, which'll be obviously massive if we drop a division (or two!).
182 Posted 18/11/2017 at 23:42:11
Why would I want Allardyce? At the time, 3 weeks ago, there was a possibility of 3 names being manager: Unsworth, Dyche, Allardyce. Both the press and bookies had only these in the running.
After Unsworth fucked up at Lyon, I said get Allardyce in before it's too late. I'm hardly going to ask for Ancelotti or Tuchel like the other deluded fans do... No, I didn't want Allardyce.
183 Posted 18/11/2017 at 23:43:18
"4-0 coming up" what a fecking joke.
184 Posted 18/11/2017 at 23:45:12
185 Posted 18/11/2017 at 23:46:04
186 Posted 18/11/2017 at 23:46:53
187 Posted 18/11/2017 at 23:49:41
188 Posted 18/11/2017 at 23:49:42
189 Posted 18/11/2017 at 23:50:22
191 Posted 18/11/2017 at 23:53:10
193 Posted 18/11/2017 at 00:01:33
How about addressing another comment I made. How about providing a link to one, just one, positive comment you have made about our club in the last 15 years?
How about addressing my response to your comment that I said "How great Koeman was". You can't address it, Tony, because you made it up. It was a lie. You don't engage in debate; you engage in "I told you so," self-righteous, blinkered bile.
Provide a link when you ever admitted you were wrong. You can't because you don't have it in you.
194 Posted 19/11/2017 at 00:05:44
195 Posted 19/11/2017 at 00:05:53
Unsworth, open your eyes, for Christ's sake, Vlasic and Pickford are the only decent buys Koeman & Walsh made. The lad must be thinking, "Who the hell have I ended up playing for!?! Unsworth Who!?!"
196 Posted 18/11/2017 at 00:11:20
However all the players were in there rightful position. A platform for them to work from.
The biggest question mark was the pairing of two players who are woefully out of form: Gana & Schneiderlin.
Unsworth got the selection right and the tactics off beam. The real issue with that performance was how deep we sit. It nullified the players who can hurt the opponent.
Sigurdsson, Lookman and Kenny all playing too far from the opponent's goal. The one time we did so we forced the turnover, and scored.
That's were defensive midfielders should play, breaking up play higher up not sitting on the back four's toes and clogging up the pitch.
Confidence does play a part but if and Unsworth needs to drag that side up the park. People will point to a slow back line but we are conceding anyway by lying deep.
At least a team playing higher up would turnover the ball more, and the oppo would be further from the goal. We gave Palace 65/70% today, all from staying too deep.
Next week is a similar fixture against a goal-shy Southampton side, I would play the same formation and press much higher. For 10 mins today post half-time oranges, we did just that. Created the chance for Calvert-Lewin and forced the cock-up from Sahko.
197 Posted 19/11/2017 at 00:17:04
Having previously said Tom Davies wouldn't start another game for Everton under "a decent manager", if Schneiderlin and Gueye also "shouldn't be anywhere near this team" and Baningime is injured, who does that leave to occupy your midfield berths? A dynamic duo of Klaassen and Sigurdsson? Two of the slowest, poorest performing, most heavily panned players to have turned out for us this season? I've long thought there was no need for the negative handbrake of two defensive midfielders in every single game, but we're not exactly overflowing with other options at the moment.
There's no simple quick fix or 'fail safe' starting line up that will suddenly remedy the shortcomings of this squad and see them start firing again instantly. You yourself slated Unsworth for bringing Lennon back into the side, whilst screaming for Lookman to play instead. Well, one was among the very few players to come out of today's game with any credit whatsoever and the other was practically anonymous and deservedly got pulled at half-time.
Figuring out which of these perpetually underperforming players can be relied upon to actually turn up on the day and what combination will accentuate our attacking play, whilst simultaneously cutting down the plethora of defensive cock ups, is clearly not the piece of piss you suggest it is.
There are no eleven players Unsworth can name that will lead to a universal nodding of heads because, by and large, they've all been fairly shite and had their confidence thoroughly sapped. Almost every single one of them.
I'd love someone to tell me what "the right line-up" actually is (and no, "Well, a winning one" doesn't count), along with why they are so sure it will work when it hasn't before, as we seem to have witnessed almost every permutation of formation and personnel possible this season and still pulled up short.
Seriously, how can you have such confidence in any side cobbled together from this current, unbalanced, Koeman barfed bunch?
How many goals conceded this season have come from Baines being caught out of position or failing to prevent a cross coming in? Yet, he simply has to play because Koeman, in his wisdom, decided to ship one left-sided cover out on loan and never bothered his arse to register the other. The couple of times Martina has been asked to fill in, he's looked about as comfortable as a singing telegram turning up at a senior citizens house to be confronted by a 'crumpet out' Joan Collins commanding him to get his kit off and croon "Cleopatra Comin' Atcha'". So, what exactly do you do about that?
Jags and Keane haven't gelled as a partnership and have been at panic stations for large portions of the games they have played together, but who is there to turn to as an alternative? Ashley Williams and/or Mason Holgate, who many would say have been just as bad, if not worse. That's it. It's basically plump for any two (or three) out of the available four and futilely cross your fingers they don't cock up. The fact people are now counting down the minutes until 'munch on your finger nails' Funes Mori comes back shows how ropy the rest have been.
Out wide, Mirallas has been typical Mirallas. Flattering to deceive one minute, going missing the next, before flinging shit from his pram, then saying "sorry" he only did it because he was pushed and promising it won't happen again. Lookman, when given his chance, has made things happen in certain games, but has struggled to even get going in others. Lennon has typically worked his arse off, offering invaluable cover for Kenny but at the cost of any consistent threat at the other end. Vlasic? Yes, he looked lively when others looked like they would be more at home roaming the Land Of the Dead, but there's surely something more gone on there than Unsworth simply deciding he's not done enough to warrant a sniff.
Similarly, it's not clear-cut who should get the call to start up front. Calvert-Lewin clearly has talent, causes a nuisance of himself, but is too callow to convert enough of the chances that come his way. Rooney has scored several goals, but seems utterly reluctant to sacrifice his own need to be at the hub of things for the shape of the team, consistently drifting further and further back during games to get in the way/get on the ball and then wondering why there's no outlet up top to buy them a breather. Sandro has looked too eager to make an instant impression (which shouldn't really be a negative, I suppose) and clearly needs time to settle, but it seems his composure never caught the flight with him and he never really played as an orthodox centre forward in Spain anyway (often operating out wide or dropping deep).
Thank fuck for Niasse showing he's not the least natural thing to be lobbed up top since Nic Cage's last hairpiece.
I thought he would be one of two nailed on starters for almost everybody, along with Pickford, but it seems even the much praised young goalie should now be given the push as well? So, just the guy who many said should be melted down to make glue that we can all agree on then?
Improvement was only ever going to come incrementally given the state this squad was left in. Step by step.
First order of business was surely to put some fucking fight back in their bones. Second, put a stop to a crippling run of defeats and start picking up some points, any way possible.
Whilst still woeful to watch and riding our luck, we've at least ticked off the first two boxes needed to drag us up from the bones of our arse.
199 Posted 19/11/2017 at 00:39:24
200 Posted 19/11/2017 at 00:40:09
201 Posted 19/11/2017 at 00:40:35
202 Posted 19/11/2017 at 00:52:32
Our players all look mediocre at the moment. At best.
There is no 'right' team selection.
Unsworth has got 4 points in last 2 PL games and I'll take that return rate for the next 2. Or 20.
203 Posted 19/11/2017 at 01:02:59
I think whatever the merits and distractions of any defensive midfielder pair, any combination will struggle when sat on the edge of their own box watching the world go by.
Place Davies & Klaassen there both forward driven players capable of pressing, what use is that to us when the whole team sits so deep? Agree?
Place the ‘undynamic' duo high up the pitch and I'd think they would be a lot better. I won't pretend neither are playing well but they are set up to fail sat back there.
Any manager can get that side up the pitch, last 20 minutes last week, will get more out of those sorry set of players.
Fook, if I was in charge and any of those fookers sat back, I'd shoot them with an ‘effing air gun.
Depth is killing us both ways.
204 Posted 19/11/2017 at 01:17:10
Second, you need to win your home games, and draw your away ones. Well, since we tasted the bottom 3, we've won one home match and drawn one away. Again, [tentatively] tick that box.
Third, you need to hold your nerve; 'Don't Panic' as Corporal Jones would say! We will have to grind out some results, while playing dismal garbage; but that's just the way it is.
Fourth, you don't heap vitriolic abuse, on the poor guy who's had the poison chalice thrust at him, but is at least, beginning to steady the ship. I don't think Unsworth is the medium or long-term answer; but let's support him while he's here.
Couldn't help imagining a conversation last season: Niasse: 'Listen Ronald, you may think I'm rubbish, but in 12 months time, you'll be history, and I'll be a Premier League goal machine'!!
Finally, it was Napoleon Bonaparte, who said: 'Don't give me generals who are good, give me generals who are lucky'.
205 Posted 19/11/2017 at 01:44:33
Schneiderlin put in another totally ineffective performance. Why he keeps getting selected is beyond me and he constantly puts the back four under pressure by losing the ball in dangerous areas. Poor performances by Keane, Sigurdsson and Lookman.
I'm not a great fan of Lennon but at least he puts in a shift, exemplified by his dash the length of the pitch to help out Kenny in a Palace break in the first half.
All-in-all, another disjointed first-half performance; Palace should have been out of sight by half-time.
206 Posted 19/11/2017 at 01:48:52
I'm not defending Koeman's performance with us but surely you remember him, and the club, saying that transfers were the responsibility of others, not him? Surely you remember he said as the last two weeks as the summer window unfolded that we need signings in the three areas you now rightly cite? You therefore have to realise, as I do, that someone other than Koeman fucked up our season (and, if it continues much longer, ours seasons to come) by the time September began.
Therefore the problem individual/s is/are still at the club, playing a significant part in our prayed-for survival. That's the real worry, and not that the skills of a new permanent manager are by any means trivial worries by the way.
207 Posted 19/11/2017 at 02:08:42
Just look at United today. And yes Ill ducking compare us to United because the last time I checked were both playing football. They had Matic in the middle. He was joined by Pogba and Mata, with Lukaku up top and Rashford and Martial on either side of him. You do not need two defensive players in the middle of the park. In fact, its a detriment. All it does isnt hurt you in attack and allows the opposition to keep pushing forward knowing you have started the match short in attacking numbers.
Neither Gana or Schneiderlin offer a fucking thing in attack. They dont play decisive passes, offer zero goal threat, and are both trying to do the same job of just breaking up play. If you want to play one of them, I guess, OK. But together, you might as well just start with 10 men. Its idiotic. Im not saying we have a Matic in our team. But trying to get two players to do his job doesnt make us better, it makes us worse.
208 Posted 19/11/2017 at 02:19:18
Oh and I know he must bear some but not ALL of the blame for the incoming transfers too. The much vaunted closed season incoming transfers have, almost to a man, been completely useless and lacking in backbone, ability and desire. In fact you could not have chosen a better bunch to ensure relegation if you tried.
We have another and traditionally difficult January transfer window coming up and we need a new Manager too of course. Success in both are crucial to Everton's continued Premier League survival fail and we WILL be relegated and, with the current state of the club from the top down, who knows where we will end up.
209 Posted 19/11/2017 at 02:42:31
The last transfer window was a disaster and, apart from the goalkeeper, who has not been too bad, the rest of them are gutless untalented wonders who WILL get us relegated unless drastic action is taken.
The January window and the next Manager are crucial to Everton's Premier League survival. Oh and all those who were involved in the last Transfer window debacle should be given the 'bums rush'. Koeman of course has already paid the price but he was not the ONLY guilty one.
211 Posted 19/11/2017 at 04:37:54
Our middle has to be Rooney and Sigurdsson and of course Niasse needs a partner, so who? Mirallas in the middle and a winger – we need Lennon or Lookman.
Then Calvert-Lewin really should start for 60 mins. Unsworth has a bit problem and 23 is okay but for me needs a high profile manager and get it sorted out. Time to get on, Everton.
212 Posted 19/11/2017 at 04:57:04
When Koeman was (rightly, in my opinion, absolutely no doubt about it) sacked, my response on here was "half a job", as I felt Steve Walsh should, at the very least, be coming under severe scrutiny for the part he too has played in helping to assemble a seriously unimaginative, strangely unbalanced, massively overpriced squad.
On the one hand you had Koeman saying he didn't have full control over which players would be signed for the first team and, on the other, Steve Walsh saying he didn't have the final say because he always had to get the nod off Koeman before he could bring a player in. Conflicting messages from two guys supposed to be working in tandem might go some way to explaining a total cluster fuck of a transfer window?
Then, of course, there's Kenwright who is allegedly still taking point on negotiations and Moshiri who, for some reason, thinks it makes sense to phone his mate at Sky while sounding like he's sunk a bottle of Merlot and is speaking through a rolled up magazine for shits and giggles.
It's like Cluedo. You can make a case for any one (or all) of them having left sticky fingerprints on the big fuck off elephant gun that shot Everton FC in the foot this summer.
Doesn't change the fact Koeman was the closest man to the corpse though. He was being paid £6m a year to breathe life into it on the pitch, yet he couldn't even bloody pull it to it's feet and drag it about 'Weekend At Bernies' style. He just kept shovelling more soil on the poor bastard, before shrugging his shoulders and pissing off to play golf.
If he wanted another striker so badly he should have been in the faces of those who could make it happen right up until the transfer window slammed shut. If his entire game plan for the season ahead revolved around a target man up top, he should have gone for one of super scout Steve W's alternative selections instead of saying "Giroud? No go? Fuck sake. Where's me five iron?". He could have made clear to the club that a forward was his number one priority instead of insisting they persist with getting him Gylfi Sigurdsson, no matter how prolonged the pursuit. He could have refrained from publicly telling the star striker he just had that he would look back on his career with regret if he remained at Everton for the duration.
If he was so acutely aware of how short we were of cover at left back he could have remembered to register a second, just in case.
He could have tried implementing an actual playing style and getting the message across to his players, instead of constantly preaching vague buzz words like 'pressing' and 'productivity' that rarely materialised out on the pitch. He could have tried selecting players in their proper positions, remembered there were such things as pace and width, and held his tongue instead of issuing utterly hollow ultimatums in public to a popular player he foolishly thought it would be a piece of piss to replace.
213 Posted 19/11/2017 at 05:18:37
We need a leader that we can get behind, a fighter that we can move forward with together. If Marco Silva is willing to join the fight, he must be appointed immediately. Even Allardyce will not join us.
I pray that the board will deliver the pop star managers don't want to know. It is time to fight as a club and community.
215 Posted 19/11/2017 at 05:20:32
This is no way to prepare our season. Back him now or appoint a new coach. In my view, we should give him the job, set targets and prepare for the future.
If the board have any doubt, then get a new manager and back him. We are in limbo now. It is not working. We have winnable games ahead and we either need a confident Unsworth or a new coach with a long-term plan. We do not need "interim", we need decisive direction from the custodians of the club.
216 Posted 19/11/2017 at 05:32:04
As Paul (#131) said, we are in deep trouble. It's because we have young professionals like Kenny, Baningime, Davies and Calvert-Lewin necessarily being asked to carry a man's load.
It's because we failed in the summer to replace a left-back and two centre-backs who wouldn't cut it at Premier League level this season.
It's because in Schneiderlin we have possibly the worst excuse for a professional footballer ever to take the club's money.
It's because we had three stand-out Premier League players last season and none of them have kicked a ball for us this season.
And it's because we made a monumental cock-up of spending £140 million in the summer. We may well need someone other than Unsworth in charge to have a chance of steering clear of the mess we're in. But it's Koeman's mess; whoever else owns a piece of the blame, it's not Unsworth.
217 Posted 19/11/2017 at 07:16:33
I think we've bought an outstanding goalkeeper and the display by Kenny yesterday was top drawer; both of these young lads are getting some good experience, albeit in the wrong environment. But they're both learning fast.
Now I hold the highest respect for Unsworth but he's not going to keep us from the drop and it's not fair that he ends up with the huge responsibility of avoiding relegation from the mess left by Koeman and the board!
The new manager will come in and identify where we need a balance of experience from the older players and pace from the youngsters. The likes of Jagielka, Rooney, Baines, Keane, Pickford, possibly Lennon and Sigurdsson should be providing some balance is there a place there for Barkley?
In the younger lads, Kenny, Clavert-Lewin, Davies and Lookman will combine pace and turn chances into goals. Niasse is a raw talent but he doesn't have 90 minutes in him, either physically or mentally.
I wouldn't allow Schneiderlin, Mirallas or Gueye to even get on the bench all three are shite, at present anyway!
Let's hope a credible manager is brought in soon before we are doomed.
218 Posted 19/11/2017 at 07:23:01
I think some others' comments about Pickford are ripe. Admittedly, there have been several goals from him saving but pushing the ball away. But, the defence in front of him, particularly from his left, has been atrocious and, a common fault with our team for some seasons is, our right side defence and midfield is often not in place to support and defend what might really be considered a great save.
On the lighter side my missus picked me up on a comment today. I said "some of the comments on here are shit". She said, "What's the difference between shit and shite?" (she's not from the North West). I had told her about me being in the Main Stand a few years back, where one guy was constantly shouting "You're shit Jagieka!"
So, I explained we're playing shit this season but we're never shite. We reserve the use of "shite" for those across the park. Shit has a certain body to it whereas shite is like it sounds a bit like diarrhoea! Wet and horrible and massively irritating. But, we were getting close to shite with Koeman but I thing we're closer to shit just now.
I reckon this sums up where we are! We have the squad we have, full stop... until January! Let's just get enough points by January to make the position recoverable by the end of the season!
219 Posted 19/11/2017 at 08:06:46
Somebody on here wrote Niasse is just a 2nd half player. In this game, whoever it was was proven wrong!
How do we stop leaking goals? This is the first question. Some on here are turning on Keane but, hey, the lad is young and playing with some crocks. Give him a break. 2 defence signings in January, even if short term. 1 x LB, 1 x CD. 1 x striker, too!
Get rid of Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson in midfield plus Mirallas, unfortunately, who could have been useful if he had been handled well by our former two managers.
220 Posted 19/11/2017 at 08:13:03
Set out 4-5-1, good in my view. Looked to get the wingers and Niasse forward quickly when we could break, again sound stuff. Needed Sigurdsson to dictate the play from the centre didn't work, hasn't worked, can't work. Rooney should have started in that position.
To make it all work, remember it's about keeping a clean sheet, Schneiderlin and Gueye need to sit in front of a back four and to allow the full backs to go wide, covered by the wingers, by slotting into a back six if need be and by covering the runners. They didn't do it. They weren't expected to. The back four played narrow. This is a deliberate choice of the manager and it is nonsense.
Kenny was caught out for both goals on the far post looking across the play whilst scorers came behind. He's done it before. He'll carry on doing it whilst we play the way we do.
Unsworth's heart isn't in this essential defensive stuff and, when it doesn't work, he makes the ridiculous substitutions, as yesterday, and it all becomes shapeless schoolboy football.
We need a permanent manager who can organise this stuff and get us another 10 points by Christmas whilst he is finding his feet and planning for some new personnel in the window.
We already have better players than the likes of Burnley but they are organised, keep clean sheets and sneak wins that put them in the top seven. The manager is the difference.
221 Posted 19/11/2017 at 08:30:47
222 Posted 19/11/2017 at 08:31:03
The question has been posed all season how have we got so bad and it is simply the poor form of a large number of senior player at the same time, multiple new buys to assimilate and the erosion of confidence because of defeats.
I want a top manager in, not someone how has got a team relegated or never won a trophy in a top league. With the wealth we have, that is the level we should aiming at hence no decision after three weeks. I actually think Unsy has steadied the ship by picking players who are up for a fight so confirm him in role until January earliest and let him build the confidence up of the squad.
224 Posted 19/11/2017 at 08:40:42
I'm surprised at the complete exclusion of Vlasic. I actually think he played well in the last few Koeman games. He's the only player in the squad with any kind of craft or creativity.
It seems like Unsworth doesn't know his best XI.
225 Posted 19/11/2017 at 08:58:18
226 Posted 19/11/2017 at 09:04:06
227 Posted 19/11/2017 at 09:17:15
Watching us is getting worse every week knowing there is very little chance of seeing a good level football played.
228 Posted 19/11/2017 at 09:22:51
As Plato said, some people need to be dragged from the Cave of Darkness kicking and screaming, to see the light of truth. The Emperor must be thinking what an easy ride he has had, no opposition from the fan base as he tries to outmanouevre Usmanov into the bargain, our only hope of a renaissance.
229 Posted 19/11/2017 at 09:30:07
230 Posted 19/11/2017 at 09:41:39
Unsworth got it wrong today. Selection, formation and substitutions. Why Baningime and Vlasic are in the U23s is a worrying mystery.
However in hindsight, we should cut him some slack managers are allowed to make mistakes. It's whenever they repeat the same mistakes repeatedly that they become dangerous.
231 Posted 19/11/2017 at 09:51:20
So you would like only a top manager next up here? Well, wouldn't we all, Steve! At this moment in time, we couldn't attract flies to a dump mate!!!
You say you only want a manager who has won a trophy?? So you wouldn't take a Pochettino type from Spurs then would you because Pochettino has won nothing?
"With all this wealth we have"!!! What wealth, Steve? We squandered the Lukaku and Stones money on shite but massively increased the wage bill doing so. There is no wealth within the club – we are still skint and still selling off our best players. The TV money goes on the ludicrous wages we are paying the likes of Wayne Rooney and the rest walking dead...
In short, we don't have any proper clout financially and we are not in any position to attract a top coach who bulges the trophy cabinet. I just wish Evertonians like yourself would take a dose of reality pills, mate. It's very worrying how naive some of us are. We all need to get real and realize we have all been Kenwrighted yet again.
232 Posted 19/11/2017 at 09:54:49
It could said that the 3 stooges are now 4 (Unsworth replaces Koeman) but the same Prof Codman or is that Conman is working the puppets.
I think the Board have gone all in on getting a big name in the summer. I hope this Plan A (no Plan B?) works.
233 Posted 19/11/2017 at 09:56:51
We are going to be in relegation trouble all season. Offensively as a creative unit, we are abject. The cause of the problem is Gueye, Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson. As a midfield trio, they offered nothing.
I thought Lennon worked his socks off defensively for us. Lookman hardly had a touch. Keane and Jagielka did not inspire much confidence. Kenny did okay with the defensive side but offered zero at an outlet further up the field.
Baines did very little, Niasse, like Unsy said was a nuisance. We were gifted that second goal by Dann and the pen was never a pen.
234 Posted 19/11/2017 at 10:16:33
David Barks #201. Agreed I'd play Besic before Schneiderlin every day of the week. At least we would know he's on the pitch. And he uses up a fuck lot less typewriter ribbon.
Don Alexander #206. Koeman did the best job of opening our sea-cocks and scuttling the ship since the orders were given at Scapa Flow. He was in charge of the team and he has to drive the acquisitions forward, not be a bystander, and his chase for Klaassen and Sigurdsson were akin to leaving the portholes open to continue the analogy.
Williams looks a better risk than Keane at the mo' and... ..fuck it - Out if time. I'm off to watch a West Kent Sunday Football league game now and get my entertainment threshold raised.
235 Posted 19/11/2017 at 10:18:35
The only remit any manager should get from our incompetent board is to do anything and play any way, shite or not, to ensure survival this season.
We can all see what we need next transfer window, getting rid of the dross we have and have recently bought should go some way to pay for the new arrivals.
Once people accept the situation our Club is actually in and stop talking about this shit 2 wins and we're top half, no need to panic, too good to get drawn into a relegation battle etc etc etc the better.
We have shown a bit more fight recently but let's be honest we are still abysmal and a bit more fight will not be enough to get us out of this mess.
236 Posted 19/11/2017 at 10:20:18
Have you ever seen anyone booked, like Niasse was, for jumping with an opponent and falling forward too easily?? I think the ref had been told the penalty was a dive and he was taking retrospective action.
Also, Loftus-Cheek was injured and received treatment but was allowed to stay on the pitch afterwards?? Is this the new law??
237 Posted 19/11/2017 at 10:28:18
Formation: 4-4-2. Players:
Kenny Keane, Williams, Jagielka
Vlasic, Klaassen Davies Baines
Baines should have been pushed forward years ago and Klaassen, if given a run, is that missing link between midfield and the forward line. He has a quick football brain.
238 Posted 19/11/2017 at 10:32:14
The defending by Keane and even Jags was comically amateur. But the alternative is the even worse Williams. The way Keane flapped about the ball and let Benteke (I think) push past him for one of their last chances was absolutely amazing for a professional defender. People talk rightly about lack of confidence but what about lack of pride.
The plus side is the team doesn't give up as readily as under Koeman and I'll take that plus for now. Niasse is a shining example of graft but the others need to take a long look at themselves.
These are no dogs of war. January should be an expensive month.
239 Posted 19/11/2017 at 10:34:42
241 Posted 19/11/2017 at 10:36:17
242 Posted 19/11/2017 at 10:42:40
A new manager is appointed and we always say "he must be given time". Unsy steps up and he's judged within a handful of games!
Is Unsy having to adapt to the Prem and the level of managerial ability he's confronting every week. I guess so. But he's also having to adapt to a group of players he's not worked with or even seen in training before now, if it's true that Koeman locked him out of training sessions.
I have no choice in giving him more time. Every week that passes with him still in charge, he is getting more time. So I'm interested in any sign of improvement he can bring over the coming weeks or months if he's in post that long. Out of my hands.
A steep learning curve for him.
243 Posted 19/11/2017 at 10:44:26
He truly IS one of us.
God help us.
244 Posted 19/11/2017 at 10:47:03
Well if they showed some fight & desire before conceding shitty goals, maybe they wouldn't concede shitty goals.
Sorry, but Unsworth shows the Evertonian mentality through & through a perennial underachiever with his heart in the right place the very essence of Everton.
I'm sick to death of it.
245 Posted 19/11/2017 at 10:48:02
I'm not saying you're not funny John, but I think you know your football, and I enjoy what you've got to say when you talk about our team, but with nothing much to laugh at, at the minute, I'm probably better keeping my opinions to myself!
246 Posted 19/11/2017 at 10:51:27
"Everton have made eight changes at half-time in their past 10 games.
Ademola Lookman and Morgan Schneiderlin were replaced on Saturday, but it is a revolving cast of underwhelming players who are contributing to the Merseysiders' malaise.
Unsworth has continued former boss Ronald Koeman's habit of trying to remedy the problems created by his starting XI after 45 minutes."
So basically he also has no idea what to do with this squad, exactly the same as Koeman to me that says he is clearly NOT the right man for the job.
247 Posted 19/11/2017 at 10:55:02
Walter Smith once quipped he couldn't turn shite into honey. That is what we are asking Unsworth to do.
248 Posted 19/11/2017 at 10:58:32
I don't understand this mentality of sending out a team to be 'solid' first half, then change it at half time and 'have a go'. It's negative, reactive management. We need a forward thinker, not an Evertonian.
249 Posted 19/11/2017 at 11:03:46
I absolutely hate Koeman at this point in time.
250 Posted 19/11/2017 at 11:12:57
I have the very same concerns. I actually believe that Beni and Vlasic were left out of the squad to help out the U23s in their mini derby. That is absolutely crazy.
Is it possible that Unsworth has got one eye on a return to the U23s, and that his desire to close the gap on the current leaders came at the expense of the first team?
Sounds ridiculous to even suggest it, but the decision just doesn't make sense to me.
251 Posted 19/11/2017 at 11:22:46
252 Posted 19/11/2017 at 11:24:27
Get ready for a deadline day standoff and more “he was in the building” stories.
Any messing about after January 1st will see us seriously in danger.Terminally so.
253 Posted 19/11/2017 at 11:26:25
254 Posted 19/11/2017 at 11:28:19
You insist on referring to Mr Moshiri as USM unless of course the sponsor of Finch Farm is responsible for appointing the next Everton FC manager? You have had lots of fun with your Jabba the hutt etc but seriously you are no wiser about the machinations inside the club than the rest of us, unless you have access to a Holocron.
Mire deep Everton in. May the force be with us!
255 Posted 19/11/2017 at 11:29:00
256 Posted 19/11/2017 at 11:29:40
257 Posted 19/11/2017 at 11:29:47
PS - I will add my voice to those of others and ask you to stop your repeated references to Star Wars(?). They are not funny and to those of us who have never watched the films, simply tiresome.
258 Posted 19/11/2017 at 11:33:21
259 Posted 19/11/2017 at 11:33:31
260 Posted 19/11/2017 at 11:37:42
Silva is a big gamble in my opinion, he's done ok, but only over a short period, much too short for my money.
Koeman appeared to do a good job at Southampton, look what he turned out to be, I cant think of any aspect of his job that he was good at apart from 'pissing' players and us supporters off!
Offering Watford £10m or whatever it is for Silva smacks of out of the frying pan into the fire to me.
Lets tough it out with Unsworth, footballs hardly rocket science is it, he knows what the games about, plus he has Joe Royle in the background who has a ton of managerial experience if he wants his imput.
Our number one problem is our players, the truth is that they are bunch of good Premiership players, perhaps good is stretching the truth in some cases, their good but not good enough for a team that expects to be challenging up towards the higher reaches of the League!
Having said that I think its too soon to panic yet and employ a Silva or a Dyche, we have enough to stay up even though the team has its limitations.
Obviously thats only my opinion and its an old cliche to say we are too good to go down, but I think we are.
261 Posted 19/11/2017 at 11:44:01
This squad is inferior to that one but there is plenty of potential and we have shown in the last week that it can score goals. What we have to learn is how to stop conceding stupid early goals and someone has to get a hold of the defence and DMs to drill them. Good defence comes from knowing what your fellow defenders are going to do and where they are going to run. Allardyce,Dyche and Pullis would drill them to within an inch of their lives to properly prepare them for a game- we must get someone to do this.
As for us fans we have to keep behind the team, remember how we helped in the Watford game and slowly but surely we should start to get better- there is no quick fix!
262 Posted 19/11/2017 at 11:46:47
Hull 3 points adrift when he took over.
6 points adrift when the season finished.
Oliver, sack listenening to people who pretend they know billionaires. This emperor thing is not a story its just you assuming roles for people you make assumptions against.
Only facts will get us to the bottom of what we need to know.
263 Posted 19/11/2017 at 11:48:42
264 Posted 19/11/2017 at 11:56:03
265 Posted 19/11/2017 at 11:56:28
"All managers seem to get categorised very easily. I am not a fan of Allardyce, but although he now has a reputation as a "go to " man for saving clubs fighting relegation, when he was at Bolton, he brought them up , consolidated them in the premiership and took them into Europe over the passage of several seasons where he improved their position, year on year. He left for a new challenge because , on the funds available, he said he had taken Bolton as far as he could - and I think that was very fair comment. With regard to Dyche, admittedly he has taken Burnley down, but he has also brought them back up again. As with Allardyce, he has improved them year on year on a very limited budget. Everyone immediately jumps to the conclusion that these managers play a style of football that appeals to them. No one stops to think that they play a style that fits with the personnel they have available to them and with the personnel they can afford to bring in. Who know what Allardyce might have achieved at Newcastle, if the fans hadn't turned on him form day one, because of his reputation up to that point? Who knows what Dyche might achieve, if he were to come to Everton and be given a big budget? It may turn out, as many predict - useless. On the other hand, it may turn out wonderfully. Finally, I believe the same thing apples to Unsworth. What precisely, do Everton supporters expect him to achieve, with the hand that he has been dealt? His back four choices are a rookie, three others that are past their best due to age and a new centre back, who's confidence seems to be shot because of the state of the team he is playing in. Midfield choices are either rookies, misfits or "stars", such as MS or KM who can't really be bothered to put in a shift. Strikers, again we have a rookie, a golden boy in rapid decline and Oumar - who by the grace of God, did not manage to get transferred out on deadline day, otherwise we would be even further in the mire than we are now. Who - (be it Unsworth, Dyche, Silva, Allardyce, Tuchel - or anyone else you care to name apart from the man who 2,000 years ago could work miracles, bit who isn't currently available), is going to come into the club and turn this lot into a winning combination over night? Until we get a lot more work on the training pitch, some of our injured players back in play (Coleman, Bolasie - possibly Ross), I doubt if anyone - whether new appointee or Dave Unsworth, is going to get a better tune out of this lot, than we are currently getting. It's sad, it's worrying, it's a fact."
I still think it's just as relevant this morning.
Let's have a good look at our club and what we have, where we are and what we are trying to achieve?
Moshri was hailed as a saviour - but the influx of money has made us worse!!!
Until we get a professional management team at the very top of the organisation - i.e. Board level - we are never going to improve - no matter how much money we have at our disposal.
266 Posted 19/11/2017 at 12:07:01
They were 2 points behind Sunderland and 6 behind Boro when Silva took over. They finished 10 ahead of Sunderland and 6 ahead of Boro. With more time they would have had a fighting chance of staying up. They also won twice as many games under Silva as they had when he took over. They had won 3 in 20 games and six in the remaining 18 games after Silva.
267 Posted 19/11/2017 at 12:07:47
He has said he speaks to the Chairman "everyday".
He really wants the job - so he has to "please" the chairman.
I asked the question " How many of his current "team choices", are based on the Chairman's "recommendations"?
I believe that if DU is given the job and is therefore allowed to be his "own man", we may see a very different team selection and strategy on the field.
After all, he didn't do such a bad job with the U23s - did he?
268 Posted 19/11/2017 at 12:34:13
They don't have a crystal ball. Manure thought they had a perfect replacement for Sir Alex and look how that failed.
How can anyone blame Moshiri ?
When Carey was sacked by Everton the appointment of Catterick was bemoaned by most fans but look what he did in his first 8 years.
After that was disaster after disaster, Bingham, Lee, Walker before Kendall weaved his magic and then Royle got an F.A. cup win. After that, more mediocrity with Smith, Moyes and Martinez followed by the short reign of Koeman.
The next one will be just as a big a gamble even a man with the apparent qualifications and past success.
269 Posted 19/11/2017 at 12:39:27
With the exception of Leeds United 15 years ago, it is hard to think of a club which has fallen so far. We are a million miles away from being anywhere near the top 6. We have no manager, players who have no confidence, no clear objective and a style of football which is bordering on archaic. The board, meanwhile, is doing serious damage to our reputation as a club. What they are doing with Silva stinks of desperation and does us no favours. Even pundits these days seem to be sick of us, constantly criticising our style and even calling for our players to be punished ( and this from a former player of ours, Mr Saint Lineker on MOTD). I love this club ,as every contributor on this site does, but at the moment and for the first time I can remember as an Evertonian, there is a negative vibe which goes beyond bad performances. I have no idea who the next manager should be but the board needs to stop their bloody dithering and get it sorted while there is a semblance of dignity left involving this great great club.
270 Posted 19/11/2017 at 12:45:13
Of course, if Kenwright (I am not allowed to use 'The Emperor' any more so says Mr Nicholls) is interfering in team selection, then we are truly doomed.
271 Posted 19/11/2017 at 12:49:10
I think we all knew Rooneys days have long gone, and despite spending all summer pursuing Sigurdsson I have yet to see anything that makes me think he will come good anytime soon. I hear many saying why isn't Vlasic playing, I think when you are in the position we are you need people to do the hard side of the job which is chasing back and helping your fullback. On many occasions we have had a 2 v 1 against our fullback because Vlasic failed to track back with his opposite number.
So how Unsworth is suppose to fix all these problems in a dozen training sessions I don't know. Seems Barkleys hamstring is taking forever to heal. I have seen at least 7 players who have picked up hamstring injuries during the season and been back playing. But maybe his agent doesnt want him to play and is waiting till the window opens so he can get the move he wants. So those who thought if Koeman was sacked he would be back playing, well time will tell.
272 Posted 19/11/2017 at 13:04:31
273 Posted 19/11/2017 at 13:05:54
274 Posted 19/11/2017 at 13:10:32
So the man who could get the permanent job can't be trusted by the 'emperor' to pick 11 players?
What a nonsense club we have become. Top to bottom.
275 Posted 19/11/2017 at 13:18:48
Can someone please explain to me in clear detail what, if any, salient connection there is at this time besides the Finch Farm naming rights sponsorship.
276 Posted 19/11/2017 at 13:25:38
Don't become one of these gossip fans mate you will only end up thinking you know someone at Finch Farm while your actual game knowledge and common sense drags you into thinking Man Utd sell us class players.
277 Posted 19/11/2017 at 13:43:39
From Tony Marsh to Oliver Brunel, with some fine examples inbetween, there's peoples chatting bubbles all over this thread.
What John Daley said.
278 Posted 19/11/2017 at 13:45:01
Here's one for the regulars, talk of Niasse getting a two game ban for simulation, only talk but if he does get a two game ban, would that include the Atlanta game, even though he is not registered for it, I am pretty sure it would still count as a game.
279 Posted 19/11/2017 at 13:50:46
280 Posted 19/11/2017 at 13:55:17
281 Posted 19/11/2017 at 14:56:11
I'm just getting tired of how often USM gets mentioned on here as though there is something we might know.
Damn....! - I've done it again. Won't happen again.
282 Posted 19/11/2017 at 15:00:18
I would also, as much as it pains me, drop Keane and rely on experience at the back. Keane was very poor yesterday at almost everything he did in defence. Even his headed clearances were dropping for Palace players. Jags and Williams are indeed nearing the end of their careers but we have nobody else and experience is crucial right now.
Gueye has not got anything going forward but in what he does best which is hunting for the ball he is much better the Schneiderlin so he has to stay in there. There has to be a ball player in the middle and It can be Rooney or Sigurdsson with Mirallas out left to offer some hope for goals. Lennon offers little going forward but he was my MotM yesterday for getting back and helping.
I think it's time also now to try Sandro with Niasse or Calvert-Lewin. He has lots of running in him and can be the outlet for the midfield to try putting him through and Niasse to cause the opposition to panic. Take your pick with the subs but we need an experienced backbone here.
I am feeling more nervous now after yesterday's performance than I have been all season. I don't try to kid myself that we're too good because I truly believe, the way we are playing, we are the worst team.
Discipline and organisation has to be drilled into the players and I don't envy David Unsworth as he's been left a mess. I would like to think that Joe Royle is helping him out but yesterday's game did not have a hint of A big Joe team.
It's fingers crossed for me that something clicks or we find a new hero (Niasse is trying) and I wish you all well for the rough ride ahead.
283 Posted 19/11/2017 at 15:10:50
I honestly think that as we are still playing in the same clapped out dump it feels like it is the bloody 80s.
284 Posted 19/11/2017 at 15:17:08
You won't be too disappointed when it's realised a player is poor if you just stick with what you see.
Joe (#283) your first line I could repeat time after time mate.
285 Posted 19/11/2017 at 15:35:56
If anyone had told me a couple of years ago we would implode to this degree I would have laughed in their face.
Confused?... Me?...I'd say - and I don't think I'm alone reading the breadth of opinions here.
286 Posted 19/11/2017 at 15:49:42
287 Posted 19/11/2017 at 15:50:45
288 Posted 19/11/2017 at 15:54:00
Constant harking back fiils out almost every thread.
Moyes is constantly argued & debated, like he'd never fucked off.
289 Posted 19/11/2017 at 15:58:40
You know times are bad when when the team below you shows sympathy.
290 Posted 19/11/2017 at 16:07:41
There is not one area really, you could say if a certain player was to be dropped it would make a difference, the whole ethos and balance are amiss in general.
Having said that, Schneiderlin and Martina, are two total liabilities, and should never be picked, let alone should never have come to Everton at all.
291 Posted 19/11/2017 at 16:07:53
Robles is twice the keeper and he should be our number 1.
This isn't by any stretch our main issue but it's still important !!
292 Posted 19/11/2017 at 16:15:23
I do think football is over complicated by coaches trying to be that 'genius' and pundits/journalists trying to assess as if they are coaches.
As a fan I only believe I am only there to back the team and see us win hopefully.
Anything but a win drives everybody into deeper analysis but I do think standards have dropped amongst club and fans.
Too often the players actually capable of doing their thing to win games get terrible stick while average performers who get dirty shorts are idolised until everyone realises the dirty shorts are from performing in vain.
Thats where it becomes easy for me to assess.
Anyone below the standard of Arteta ( who also wasn't amazing) is simply not good enough for Everton.
So the likes of Gana Schneiderlin McCarthy Besic etc and all those other midfielders we have are not a patch on Barkley.
Whether their roles differ is irrelevant. The evidence clearly shows under 2 managers and 3 in some cases, the roles they play have done nothing but see us slip and become worse as a team
Unsworth is stuck trying to find a way of blending shit players together.Thats a big task and while 2 of his more capable performers are injured, it will continue until unless players come in january.
293 Posted 19/11/2017 at 16:29:15
Pickford is the present and future of our Goalkeeper position. He has been a marked improvement on any keeper we have had since Southall. The only possible exception being Nigel Martyn.
He is not going to be perfect every game Neville wasn't. Peter Schmeichel wasn't, Buffon hasn't been.
Still these 3 names are the potential of Pickford. We have to get behind him and he has to be our keeper. Robles potential extends to somewhere between Paul Gerrard and Thomas Mhyre. He is not and will never be a legend. Pickford might just be,
294 Posted 19/11/2017 at 16:31:48
I'd also drop Gueye who has become a liability. Bring in Besic to play in front of the back four in a seek and destroy role, the much maligned Rooney back in as captain as we're desperate for some passion and leadership on the pitch.
Davies has the legs to support Rooney in a slightly deeper roll with Vlasic and Calvert-Lewin the outlet up front, Calvert-Lewin getting right up to support Niasse when we're in possession.
We need to play as a solid 4-1-4-1 when out of possession with Vlasic and Calvert-Lewin, both young players, helping out our full backs.
Back to basics in defence,don't care if it's Keane or Williams next to Jagielka both have been awful. Is it too much to ask that we work on ball retention in training? The constant concession of the ball is shocking and just leads to us being under constant pressure.
295 Posted 19/11/2017 at 16:42:01
Productivity was the word. Sell your best goal scorer, don't replace him and were willing to let the man with most assists go with him. Until that failed. How productive is that for starters?
296 Posted 19/11/2017 at 16:50:27
297 Posted 19/11/2017 at 17:09:42
He seems to be struggling also but I don't think we have seen enough of Klaassen to pass final judgement tbh - I think there may be a decent piece there in the right jigsaw.
And also - what was all that bollocks from J White about an announcement of some sort by the weekend? I didn't personally see/hear it but assuming it actually happened the silence is making someone appear increasingly desperate (or optimistic).
298 Posted 19/11/2017 at 17:28:53
299 Posted 19/11/2017 at 17:35:03
Everton committed 26 fouls during the Palace game, the most of any team in Europes top five leagues on Saturday.
Adding insult to injury, Evertons passing was far from satisfactory in south London.
Everton only completed 164 passes against Palace. Only one in the last seven seasons have Everton had a worse record.
Sticking with Evertons passing stats, the final data point of note was that Jordan Pickford was Evertons top pass completion player against the Eagles.
Its the third time this season the goalie has topped Evertons passing stats.
300 Posted 19/11/2017 at 17:38:37
301 Posted 19/11/2017 at 17:45:12
As much as it pains me if we lost him post an appointment of a permanent manager, he rolled the dice. And good on him!
Id hope he finds a lower division job and builds towards managing Everton permanently one day.
302 Posted 19/11/2017 at 17:45:27
Also, regardless of whoever they appoint, get rid of DoF. Was not a good idea to begin with!
306 Posted 19/11/2017 at 18:27:28
308 Posted 19/11/2017 at 18:36:07
As for the rumor about Silva, I think he is a risk in fact apart from his time at Hull and Watford I honestly don't know much about him but we do have a big squad and some talented players. I just hope he can fashion out a decent team. Also, please please scrap the 2 defensive mids, it's an awful system.
309 Posted 19/11/2017 at 18:53:54
I stare at the league table and can't see where we gonna make 40 points from... We could be canon fodder for the better teams. Hmmm... worrying days for us Toffees fans.
310 Posted 19/11/2017 at 18:58:31
Did Shankly or Ferguson have red blood when they walked into Liverpool and Man Utd? No! They saw an opportunity to build something that would last.
I want the next manager of Everton FC to walk into Goodison and say, "I may not be a blue blood but I hate losing. I may not be a blue blood but winning is all to me I hate not winning. Within me beats a heart and a desire to take this club back to where it should be and I will do everything in my power to achieve that.
"Those within the club who like life comfortable should fuck off now. Those who won't give 100% every day in training, away from Goodison and in matches should leave there's the door.
"Those who get pissed off when they are not in the team and are not prepared to support those who are picked should empty your lockers. I am here to win those who don't mind losing as long as they get paid, follow the others out the door.
"Those of you with me, let's get down to Finch Farm and get going we have work to do. Oh, and by the way, if we ever lose at Liverpool again, you are all sacked."
311 Posted 19/11/2017 at 19:05:29
312 Posted 19/11/2017 at 19:11:40
I don't mean this as any kind of personal dig at Unsworth, but I find the fact a youth coach was put in charge for such a crucial period embarrassing. The board doesn't have a clue what they are doing. No surprise we exited two competitions during their dithering.
314 Posted 19/11/2017 at 19:18:38
315 Posted 19/11/2017 at 19:22:19
316 Posted 19/11/2017 at 19:27:17
If Unsy is not a defensive coach then we need someone who is!
317 Posted 19/11/2017 at 19:31:52
I should know a bit more about him, I promise I will do my research (that's if we get him).
319 Posted 19/11/2017 at 19:38:56
320 Posted 19/11/2017 at 19:43:55
Clive Rogers: Kenwright is harder to get rid of than AIDS. That's the only potential silver lining I can see in us getting relegated, though: Blue Bill's departure from the club.
321 Posted 19/11/2017 at 19:52:24
322 Posted 19/11/2017 at 20:01:18
323 Posted 19/11/2017 at 20:07:03
Not complicated... but our club would have to tread very carefully for "legal" reasons.
325 Posted 19/11/2017 at 20:14:24
We also need to get Silva in ASAP. Whatever the cost.
326 Posted 19/11/2017 at 20:36:45
327 Posted 19/11/2017 at 20:53:14
328 Posted 19/11/2017 at 21:11:03
I don't have crystal ball, but I do worry that the break up of Unsworth and then quite possibly the rest of our old boy network could lead to us having very little differentiating features to a Stoke, Villa, Oldham, Leeds , Notts County, Oxford Utd, Accrington Stanley etc, etc, etc. All who have history.
Any manager, regardless of anyone's ridiculous wishes, is going to need time. By the time a new manager's coaching comes to fruition we could have skipped past a lot of very winnable games... Only to hit another tough run of games. Maybe then we can just sack another manager, and get in Pullis, Allardyce, Harry, or Big Ron. Then we'll just need a manager to get us out of the Championship to wake the sleeping giant.
It might not (and I bloody hope it won't) pan out like that... But I'm sure you'll be hamfistedly demanding instant results and claiming the world's not fair the moment things don't go as you expected.
329 Posted 19/11/2017 at 21:12:48
Unlucky Col, I take it you're still playing then?
Like you I only know about Silva what I've read on the net and his exploits with Hull and Watford. But I like the way he tries to get his teams to play.
330 Posted 19/11/2017 at 21:14:25
Déjà vu for me. Imagine my surprise to see you again claiming Watford are playing better than Burnley as a fact. This is the same thing you claimed as a fact on the Silva thread.
Run of form since October 14th- Watford: W-L-L-L-W (6 points), other notables; 23 goals conceded this season and a 6-0 beatdown by Man City, a 4-2 beating by Chelsea, and a draw to Liverpool.
Burnley: D-L-W-W-W (10 points), other notables; 9 goals conceded this season, draw to both Liverpool and Tottenham, win versus Chelsea, and a 3-0 loss to Man City.
Burnley has conceded 3 goals one time this season while Watford have conceded 3 or more 4 games out of 12.
I am not convinced by your facts.
331 Posted 19/11/2017 at 21:15:12
332 Posted 19/11/2017 at 21:31:54
333 Posted 19/11/2017 at 22:28:17
What happened today was no different than the last... and the time erstwhile. It's not a manager/coach problem it's a team problem!
Yes, getting rid of Koeman was necessary; I believe we had fallen into a severe and septic rut but did any realistic person think we could U-turn back to our best? What was our best?
Well, recently, it was the worst football I had ever seen. A hoof to the lazy and persecution of our best. We (and I mean them) can't keep the ball. They can't see the picture and play a decisive pass. We sit back, we let them attack, we look feeble.
This can't be a management thing: I'm pretty sure any professional player knows how to advance with the ball and I hope they can all be at it for at least an hour. But… we don't seem to have even the fundamentals of the game in our (their) locker.
I'm not an "Unsy Out" man but I am a person with eyes. These players are not bothered. They don't care and they won't help.
The second half had a bit of guile but that was tempered by a card or two. I heard the commentator say he was amazed that Rooney was not brought on? How can people not see it?
334 Posted 19/11/2017 at 23:25:33
I have said it before. No manager in the world will make gold with the bunch of players we have now. Why? Because the mix of players does not fit well together!
Whoever that will run Everton NEEDS to BUY new players and ship some away. Before that happens we will struggle no matter manager we have.
If you are to rate Unsworth you need to let him have a couple of windows to see what he can do.
335 Posted 20/11/2017 at 00:53:12
336 Posted 20/11/2017 at 01:17:28
I would love to pick a team without Jagielka, Baines, Gana & Schniederlin but who replaces them? Throwing kids like tom Davies & Beni Baningime into a desperate failing team is unfair and could set them back years. Kenny & Keane already look like a couple of nervous wrecks.
At this moment in time, I genuinely believe Allardyce is the only feasible option... and I can't stand the man, but that is how desperate we are.
We need someone to drill this pathetic defence & put Niasse & Calvert-Lewin upfront in an old-fashioned 4-4-2. Get Lennon & Lookman down the flanks and pump long balls and crosses into the box and hope for the best because this team is not capable of anything else.
337 Posted 20/11/2017 at 01:44:35
Niasse can't be done for simulation as there was actually some contact. Yes, he over-egged it and it was a really poor decision but the referee was only yards away and he decided there was enough contact to warrant a penalty.
Right through the game, the referee was blowing for fouls for the slightest contact, so at least he was consistent.
338 Posted 20/11/2017 at 01:59:54
Had Niasse not thrown himself to the ground (which he clearly did), it's very likely Dann would have got away with it... so I don't have a problem with Oumar just refs who have brought the game to this position where you don't get it if you don't go down.
339 Posted 20/11/2017 at 02:33:13
340 Posted 20/11/2017 at 05:54:39
341 Posted 20/11/2017 at 06:52:39
We have all seen far worse fouls committed than this one and not given because the fouled player remains on his feet and it begs the questions "when does a foul become a foul?" or "when is a foul not a foul?"
Now I don't condone Niasse's Tom Daley moment, and I would have been properly pissed off of it had happened to us but it was a (pretty innocuous) foul seen through my eyes but a foul none the less and no way bookable, but to talk of potential match bans for simulation in this case is absurd.
So yes Ernie - I deviated a bit along the way, but a long winded way of saying spot on, I agree 100% with you.
342 Posted 20/11/2017 at 08:29:42
And on to the penalty, slow replay shows Dann's shoulder went into Niasse, with running at speed, it's is only natural for the player to fall. To say he dived is nonsense, defenders get away with murder and won't accept when they make a mistake.
The lost Niasse monster has really submerged, and already on his way to be player of the year. I hope he is on all your Christmas card lists?
343 Posted 20/11/2017 at 09:14:27
Bang on the money, no two ways about it.
There needs to be a realignment of power and authority from top to bottom. There are people and their management at the club who are not fit for purpose.
Moshiri and/or Usmanov need to get total control of the club and shake off the ineffective and stale old guard. They need to create new structures and systems in the club which have clear lines of power and responsibilities.
At the moment they all seem to be in separate offices doing their own thing. Meeting up on match days for a prawn sandwich.
There's more to it than just a new manager.
344 Posted 20/11/2017 at 09:15:39
Had Zaha fell the same way, I would have been fuming that our centre-backsomehow had to make his feeble arm disappear for a second.
I'd take an own goal 1-0 win every week with this shit team.
345 Posted 20/11/2017 at 11:41:12
Not sure when he is going to review the Goodison Derby incidents but could turn out to be a series lasting longer than the lost series if he does.
346 Posted 20/11/2017 at 11:45:45
347 Posted 20/11/2017 at 12:02:13
Standby for another 12 months without a penalty given in Everton's favour and for our best striker to be booked and suspended for many games as the officials look at his every action as a potential 'dive'.
It's beginning to look a lot like the early 2000s when Everton were deemed a dirty cheating team as the bookings pile up and the Everton haters form a disorderly queue to show the club in a bad light. We obviously are pretty poor at this 'cheating' lark because it hasn't helped us to storm to the top of the table like Leicester City did with Vardy et al 'winning' penalties, week-in & week-out.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the only people who like to see Everton do well are the fans and I wish people on here would remember that when they lay into every aspect of the club and they inadvertently help the outsiders to hammer the club at every opportunity.
348 Posted 20/11/2017 at 12:13:21
349 Posted 20/11/2017 at 12:15:08
We have been lied to, spoken down to, ignored and taken for mugs by this board and in particular Bill Kenwright. The lack of planning, foresight and actions, even this year in the transfer market, are staggering. So please, do not tell me, as a fan on here, to be quiet.
The current situation is directly a result of a dreadful manager and a dreadful transfer management situation that had no plan, no structure and no Plan B. Never mind a Plan A.
We are in a situation now, a month on from sacking a bad manager, with an almost comical situation of inaction. Unsworth is not the manager to get us out of this mess and the longer it goes on, the bigger the problem. Rome burns while the board plays on...
After Christmas, we have the same run of fixtures we started the season with, if we don't sort it now, not wait, then we will go down.
350 Posted 20/11/2017 at 12:25:56
The point I was trying to make was that only the Everton fans really care about seeing Everton win football matches. The very fact that the list of issues you highlight isn't very often reported on by the media shows how little they care for our club.
I'm not saying that the club is beyond reproach on this platform but calling every single player young or old, new recruit or seasoned professional 'excrement' or similar doesn't to my mind serve any useful purpose other than self-gratification. It's very easy to play the blame game and those who can see nothing of value in supporting the club should perhaps look for a new hobby.
351 Posted 20/11/2017 at 12:35:08
There was a game earlier in the season where Can threw himself to the ground on 3 occasions trying to get his opponent sent off, funnily enough Clattenberg didn't think he should comment on that one...
As somebody also said earlier in the thread, Dele Alli would not play 2 consecutive games for his theatrics.
352 Posted 20/11/2017 at 14:36:35
As many have said the club is a poisoned chalice at the moment and will be for the next month. Unsworth and none of this is his fault, is in there doing his best with what he has. Its not going to be a great season, but how could it be? We wasted a fortune pre-season.
From the Europa League qualifiers, it was apparent we were not up to the mark. The work should have been done then, extra training and planning particularly for the youngsters. It wasn't done, so we are where we are.
We are getting there and things are improving, there are a lot of green shoots coming up. What we need now is a steady hand, and some bottle.
If Bill Kenwright needs some inspiration for a new musical, I'd like to suggest "Oumarella". A tale about a young footballer who is badly treated by an evil foreign prince, but then when you think all is lost, he comes good, and becomes our top scorer. I just love that guy, would love a jump start off him.
353 Posted 20/11/2017 at 15:54:07
"Those who can see nothing of value in supporting the club should perhaps look for a new hobby."
Being judgemental about your fellow supporters based on strawman edifices like this do no-one any favours – least of all, you. I can't stop you thinking it, but I can ask you not to put it on our forum, please.
354 Posted 20/11/2017 at 21:11:51
The more I see of Pickford, the less I'm impressed. If that was Robles or Stekelenburg in goal at the weekend, they'd have been slated.
The first should never have been parried across the box and for the second, if you dive forward like that you have to be sure you'll make it. He didn't and left an empty net.
Has Pickford actually been better than Robles this season?
355 Posted 20/11/2017 at 21:16:01
Did you see his distribution? With clear movement ahead of him, was his passing more successful?
Did you know he has been one of our top passers on 3 occasions this season.
Have you read the analysis of Pickford by the likes of David Preece, or seen Southall's verdict on him?
356 Posted 21/11/2017 at 10:22:16
The last two games, he should have done better for both goals against Palace (got a rating of 4.5 by Sky Sports!!), and gave away a penalty that almost cost us the game against Watford. That was the result of a poor initial parry then a lunge that brought him down.
Did I know he has been one of our best passers on 3 occasions? The same could probably be said about Schneiderlin, but his are usually sideways.
Have I read what Southall says yes I have and I agree that he's got massive potential. He's made 3 big mistakes in the last 2 matches in my opinion. While I try not to criticise young players, he needs to cut these out straight away before it starts affecting his confidence. Robles or Stekelenburg would have been slated for these last two games.
Lennox Lewis said that David Price would be a heavyweight world champion... just because Southall said it doesn't make it true, although I hope it is.
357 Posted 21/11/2017 at 13:12:07
Great news for Southampton and West Ham though and David Moyes' first lucky break as new manager.
Because for all his clumsiness on the ball, this man can score goals with aplomb if given half a chance and never lets defenders settle from start to finish.
Where will a goal come from now?
Were it not for him, it is us who would be bottom of the table.
Worse, it probably means Rooney will be back in contention. What a ridiculous, sentimental folly bringing him back and paying him £150,000 a week for the embarrassing privilege. Sums up Everton.
358 Posted 21/11/2017 at 15:40:41
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