Commonwealth Games set for Birmingham

Huge blow to the plans.

Please God, Everton's plans AREN'T reliant on the city getting the games.

I'm guessing that the actual stadium project shouldn't be affected, but we may be on a bus to the game, rather than a shiny new rail link to Bramley-Moore station. It would have been good news for the council and the club if they had landed the games, but the running track issue was always going to mean a compromise on design, no matter what people say.

I would say this is good news for EFC, as we can now press forward without too much interference from other parties. That's if the whole scheme wasn't dependent on the Commonwealth Games - you never know what promises were made behind closed doors.

On the other hand, if it does get off the ground without the games at least we shouldn’t need to install an athletics track in any form.

If, as stated above, no less than £500M was to be awarded towards infrastructure costs, it's loss starts to make the cost to the Club sound prohibitive.

Thus, 2025-2030 begins to seem a more achievable time frame for completion as bad luck continues to haunt the project. Then, it's always 'tomorrow'.

How many times have some of us complained about the semi finals being played at Wembley when it would make more sense to play it somewhere like Villa Park.

But have to agree with some here that I hope it doesn't hamper our stadium plans.

The council we were told were co-funding the project? We couldn't buy players before selling Lukaku so how can we afford to build a £500 million arena? Here's were Moshiri gets found out. I can just see that new tier on the Park End stand as I am writing this... Jeez.

More embarrassing times ahead I'm afraid. Kopites already hammering me on text. The club have just basically said the ground wont be built any time soon. Only at Everton, FFS!!!

Kenwright out once again for the hundredth time.

Still we'll wait for a sound bite from Goodison.

The silence around the ground proposal is natural as we're in between the announcement over an agreement to acquire the land, outlining of funding, etc and the next stage which is designs and plans. None of this stuff happens quickly.

But to be honest, I see the actual games as a nonsense.

I remember watching an hour or so of coverage when it was held in Glasgow and thinking this looks like a really professionally done school sports day (nothing against Glasgow, one of my fave cities).

Just rather...tatty.

Plus the whole thing is imo staggeringly unfair.

"And the Democratic Republic of Niazululand, formerly Belgian Povland don't actually hav access to a swimming pool so have to train in a tin bathtub."

The money home nations/Canada/Aussies have (and spend) compared to most of the competing 'nations' is a fucking joke.

Seriously, how many Velodromes do you think there are in Sarawak or Sabah or The Turks & Caicos Islands?

All me arse, 'The last Vapours Of The Empire Games' we might as well call it.

Just an opinion.

Up the Toffees!

Fingers crossed...

They merely provide security for the loan we are going to take out. If we cannot pay the bank, the council step in. So think of it like a parent signing a form for their child so they pay rent if the child doesn't.

I would of put up with a removable running track to get the bigger better deal myself.

Yes, I know co-funding was not the correct wording but LCC were supposed to be helping us all the way with the scheme to re-build the docklands site. I wonder how keen the council will now be to get involved without the games?

I think securing the loan for us was only part of the deal. The infrastructure around that area is terrible and has been dilapidated for decades. There is nothing we can do there without LCC chipping in.

I really do fear the whole project will be put on the back burner while new revenue streams are sought. Moshiri to me is just a front man for Kenwright. I can't see Moshiri putting his money in. Even his super rich pal Usmanov is trying to bleed Arsenal for money to invest in the States.

In short, I think the Bramley-Moore stadium is doomed for the time being, if not indefinitely. Kenwright is a clown. Everything he touches goes to pot. How on earth can Muppets like Kenwright and Elstone be trusted with a scheme of this magnitude when they can't get transfer policies right? It's a joke.

Engineers amongst us might like to hazard a guess as to whether it is more expensive to build to a tight deadline compared with more time to build – I suspect the former is the more expensive. Consequently, the stadium is more likely to be built rather than less.

Are the council likely to renege on the funding vehicle agreement? Probably not as they profit from the scheme. They thus also stand to benefit from cooperating in the planning, permissions etc. No problems there.

Loss of £500 million in infrastructure payments? I suspect that figure refers to the total cost of staging the Games (Glasgow cost £450 million). There might have been a bit of road repairing & rethinking of routing but the major developments in North Liverpool are going ahead for the new port. There was a lot to build for this bid besides the stadium (a floating swimming pool? Why?) and that is where most of it would have been spent.

The new stadium will make a new station just as attractive as it was before – especially when you consider all the other plans for the waterfront –cruise liner terminal, ten streets etc.

To conclude – the failed bid makes building our new stadium slightly cheaper if anything, and it may take a year or so longer to build but nothing is more sure than we need this stadium. As long as Moshiri is our owner, it will happen.

This is happening, guys – it's not another Kings Dock fiasco!

Quality + Speed = Cost.

Speed + Cheap = Potential Poor Quality.

Quality + Low Cost = May take time.

Any 2 from 3 - you pick

A longer construction period reduces direct labour costs but increases overhead costs (indirect manpower and other operating costs) which can be quite significant. On top of that, there is potential for material costs to increase (or decrease) due to inflation and market forces.

No one formula fits all; each project has to be assessed individually.

I don't know why people are being negative (from an Everton perspective) about the Commonwealth Games as hosting it was a side issue which would have been nice for the city; great to have our ground as the showpiece but sod them – we will rise above it.

The loss of the games will have a significant effect on sponsorship and commercial investment in the area. Imagine the level of tourists that would attract hoteliers and restaurateurs etc.

I am sure some of this investment would have aided the stadium build; consequently, I believe there will now be a delay while they talk to other commercial investors and they may well scale down the capacity.

Marshy, sorry to correct you but I think you are thinking of Kroenke who is far from being Moshiri's mate. Usmanov is still trying to get a seat on the board and gets little benefit from his investment in Arsenal, unlike Kenwright's cronies.

It's one thing to tempt fate, but to kick it's teeth out, then drop your kecks and show it your arse, is begging for trouble.

When you finally sit there, you'll become convinced you are dreaming and that it can't be real! The next match, you'll start to become convinced it will all slip into the river, drowning the best half of our current team in the process!

This is Everton, and Everton fans, remember!

:)