Ronald Koeman has been sacked by Everton in the wake of yesterday's 5-2 defeat by Arsenal which left the team sitting in the relegation zone for the first time in 12 years.
A statement on the club's official website confirmed a decision from Farhad Moshiri and chairman Bill Kenwright that had become increasingly likely despite the recent vote of confidence in the manager from the Blues' major shareholder.
In addition to Everton's nose-diving form in the Premier League, the club are bottom of their Europa League group, having lost two and drawn one of their games so far, the worst such record for an English team in the competition to date.
Koeman arrived at Goodison Park in June last year billed as a marquee replacement for Roberto Martinez who was dismissed as manager following a similarly disastrous run of results.
The Dutchman, an experienced coach who had won the title in the Netherlands three times before coming to England, guided unfancied Southampton to seventh and then sixth place in the Premier League and was seen by Moshiri as the ideal candidate to take Everton forward.
Backed by unprecedented investment on the playing side and a club-record £6m-a-year salary, Koeman had been expected to steer the Blues into the Champions League but what he regarded as an initial three-year project derailed in dramatic fashion with five defeats in nine league games.
Everton's statement read as follows:
Everton Football Club can confirm that Ronald Koeman has left the Club.
Chairman Bill Kenwright, the Board of Directors and Major Shareholder Farhad Moshiri would all like to express their gratitude to Ronald for the service he has given to the Club over the past 16 months and for guiding the Club to seventh place in last season's Premier League campaign.
The 54-year-old was insistent after the heavy loss to Arsenal that he was the right man to turn Everton's fortunes around but a visible loss of confidence among the players and no sign of an upturn in results forced the hierarchy to act.
Koeman took training as normal at Finch Farm this morning but was informed shortly afterwards by CEO Robert Elstone and Chairman Bill Kenwright of the Board's decision to terminate his contract.
He presided over 24 wins during his 58 games in charge, with 14 draws and 20 defeats. His backroom staff consisting of his brother and assistant Erwin, fitness coach Jan Kluitenberg, and goalkeeping coach Patrick Lodewijks have also left their positions. First team coach Duncan Ferguson is believed to be staying with the club.
Everton face Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in the League Cup fourth round on Wednesday night where Under-23s manager David Unsworth is expected to take temporary charge alongside John Ebbrell.
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1 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:39:27
2 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:40:39
3 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:45:55
We need a striker. The fact the board didn't get one in is criminal. We cant fix that for another couple of months but one step at a time I suppose.
Personally I would love Tuchel.
4 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:47:05
5 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:48:22
What's important is what happens now. I see only one immediate option and that is a caretaker situation but I have never known us in such disarray for many a year. We have already sold our best assets and the people we have brought in aren't up to the job yet.
Walsh and Kenwright, and Moshiri, do not come out of this very well either, for the most obvious reasons. A bad day in the club's history.
6 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:49:18
7 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:49:22
Its a huge decision for the club now. My preferences, the ambitious one would be Ancelotti. I think Dyche has earned his chance at a big club, hes done excellent with Burnley and if he was called Seanio Dychez people would be calling for him to come. Thirdly, Unsworth with Big Dunc.
It would be a gamble but they are both well respected within the club and are blue through and through. Rhino has the youngsters playing with pace, hunger and confidence, what we lack in abundance. I dont know much about Tuchel but he seems to be highly rated.
8 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:49:28
9 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:49:53
10 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:49:55
Long term plan with the German system please!
11 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:50:21
David Unsworth, the under-23s manager, is expected to take temporary charge
12 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:50:56
13 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:50:58
We now need to ensure his replacement is bang on the money right from the off, otherwise this could get messy.
Unsworth as the immediate temporary replacement and - who knows? - if he can get some results he could land the gig full time.
14 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:51:06
Unsworth gets my vote on a temporary basis, but this time we MUST get someone with pedigree and a good track record.
Well done to the board for cutting their losses...Moshiri is not the ditherer some suggest.
15 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:51:13
16 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:51:29
17 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:51:40
I could have addressed this email to any board member, but as the CEO of Everton football club, I feel you are the most suitable person to address it too.
As the title of this email says "Enough is enough".
I have been supporting Everton football club for over 50 years, and have been a season ticket holder since season 94 / 95, and I have to say, apart from the period when Walter Smith was the manager, this season is the worst I have known.
Frustration, disappointing, disgruntled, use whatever adjective you like, doesn't come into it. In my opinion, we have the most loyal fans in this country, and right now Mr Elstone, only one word describes how we all feel right now. Anger, total anger, at the board and more importantly, at the manager, Ronald koeman.
As I say, I have been following Everton home and away since 94 /95 season, and, apart from the Walter Smith era, the football this season has been absolutely turgid, the worst I have known. The team looks clueless and show a total lack of confidence. The team line up changes from game to game, the formation changes from game to game, players are played out of position, too many players who play in the same position are being shoehorned into the team, I could go on and on. All this is down to one person, the manager Mr Ronald koeman. The man is totally bereft of ideas. Why is it he can't settle on a starting eleven, why is it he won't play with width and pace, and probably most importantly, why has he destroyed Ross Barkley? Here is one player, doing what thousands of lads on the streets of Liverpool who would give their right arm for, playing for the club he loves, being driven out of the club by koeman.
The biggest worry, for me personally, is the total lack of a goalscorer. I understand that this cannot be rectified until January at the earliest, but one problem can be rectified, SACK THE MANAGER, AND SACK HIM TODAY!! Bring somebody in, somebody who knows what they're doing, somebody who can instll confidence into the team, somebody who can select on a settled team and formation. It's obvious koeman is not going to Improve the situation, despite what he says, so it's up to the board to act, and act NOW! By the time the January transfer window comes round, it may be too late. We are now in the relegation places and if we are still there come January, I fear we will stay there.
So Mr Elstone, will the board show some bottle, and sack koeman? The man after all is a mercenary. He's has no feelings towards Everton football club. He's as good as said he was using us as a stepping stone towards the Barcelona managerial position. Well at the moment, he has absolutely zero chance of becoming Barcelona manager.
Finally Mr Elstone, I mentioned earlier about fans anger towards the board. Apart from not sacking koeman, (yet), for me, the biggest mistakes was the transfer of Romelu Lukaku, and not replacing him. I understand he wanted out, but the board showed no bottle in saying no to Manchester United .what are we, their feeder club .and when he was sold in early July,for far less than the club valued him at, why was a replacement not bought? There was still about seven weeks of the summer transfer window left, but all we wanted to do was try and sign Sigurdsson. No disrespect to Sigurdsson, an excellent player, but was not the player we needed at the time.
So Mr Elstone, I appreciate that you are a busy man, and I do not expect a reply to this email, but I do hope you take the time to read it and maybe pass it on to other board members for their thoughts.
18 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:51:46
19 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:51:52
20 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:52:02
21 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:52:27
23 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:52:56
I want someone who can fix this on the training ground, as we cannot sign anyone for some time now, until the window opens. Pochettino would be the (unrealistic) dream. So let's get a similar manager in like Silva. Unsworth seems to be a good coach, perhaps evidenced by how he has developed the squad and maintained performances even as the players left. So, let's see if he can do it on a short term basis at least.
24 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:52:56
25 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:53:04
26 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:53:06
27 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:53:07
Onwards and upwards lads. COYB.
28 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:53:52
29 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:53:55
30 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:54:07
31 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:54:08
32 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:54:27
34 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:54:49
Please EFC make the next decision the right one! Unsy until we have the right man identified, presuming it isn't Unsy himself.
35 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:54:50
36 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:55:05
38 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:55:30
39 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:55:31
40 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:56:34
I wish him luck. It didn't work out. But I am very glad he's gone.
He was dour and arrogant. He didn't represent Everton Football Club well in my opinion.
David Unsworth, step up to the plate sir and hit a home run.
41 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:57:02
42 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:58:21
43 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:59:26
44 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:59:48
45 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:59:50
46 Posted 23/10/2017 at 13:59:56
48 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:00:21
Go Unsy! Show us how it's done!
49 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:01:00
50 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:01:07
Silva and Unsworth are the obvious choices considering their cvs and trophies won.
Ancellotti has a laidback demeanour compared to drama queens like Conte, Klopp and Guardiola but his winning record is second to none and, who hasnt been sacked by Chelsea and Madrid? Munich, admittedly, was a shock but that was player power at work.
Ask the fans (except the Germans) where hes worked and they all love him. Like I said to you before, he needs a top coach next to him. Id give Unsy that job.
52 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:01:53
53 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:01:56
Fully expect Unsworth to take temporary charge. I wonder whether Moshiri and Kenwright have already lined someone else up or whether the search begins now.
54 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:02:26
We don't want that shithouse back here.Moyes is another loser with that negative vibe running through his DNA.
Give Unsworth a shot for now .Let's get out of trouble and then re assess but NO NO Fucking NO to the Grim Reapers mate. Moyes would finish off the job Koeman started and take us down with a ready made excuse.
.Just ask Sunderland fans about Deadly Daves ability in a relegation battle..
55 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:03:59
56 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:04:05
57 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:04:13
58 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:04:24
59 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:04:35
60 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:04:35
61 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:04:38
Get Allardyce in on a 18 month contract, with David as assistant.
Spend £50m in January, job done.
Plus get Barkley on board when fit.
62 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:05:51
One thing to bear in mind - Everton never win anything without an Everton man, a former player as a manager. Joe Royle the last manager to win a trophy. Howard Kendall before that obviously a legend as was Colin Harvey (won the community shield, a trophy of sorts, as manager). And Catterick before him. Managers from outside the club never win trophies with Everton. Yes, it's a new era of football. But some things never change.
63 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:06:18
Hardly surprising despite some mutterings about Mosh and Bill not going to do anything.
Steady the ship; sign well in January; onwards and upwards.
64 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:06:34
We need a coach. This must be sorted out on the training pitch. We don't want a hands-off manager. We just had one of them. We need these players drilled hard. The lack of coaching was so apparent due to the way we played, the runs made and the defending. So we need to identify someone who can sort this out. I don't care whether it is Silva or Tuchel or someone else, as long as they do their homework and get a top coach in.
65 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:07:01
66 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:07:06
67 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:07:22
This has to be Unsworth. He knows the club he knows the players and the crowd love him for his association with Everton. He has also won stuff and his U23s are probably the best in the country. He actually does know how the run a team.
As for Walsh, I don't know too what degree he was associated with the farcical transfer nonsense but I see no reason to blame him for the on field fiasco.
68 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:07:38
69 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:08:00
Been wondering about that myself. Hope someone can finally answer it.
70 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:08:03
71 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:08:14
72 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:08:32
73 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:08:40
74 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:09:19
Must be Unsy till the end of the season then Paulo Fonseca PLEASE.
Hopefully Ross will change his mind now, best no. 10 we have.
Have to go down to the local bar here in Spain & get smashed to celebrate.
75 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:10:15
Whoever comes in has got a hell of a problem and job to do just to steady the ship. The last thing we want is a manager who has NOT been in this position before. What top manager would consider coming here just now? It is not fair to put all this shit on Unsworth until the team and Club have stabilised.
I hate to say it but to me it's Allardyce until the end of the season. He has the experience and know-how to get Clubs out the shit. It also gives us plenty of time to, hopefully, make the right choice for the long haul.
76 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:10:28
77 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:11:08
78 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:11:41
We have a decent squad but round pegs aren't being played in round holes. A new manager won't be swayed by their ego of having to play the vanity projects of Siggurdson or Klassen. Maybe Mirallas and Lennon might get a start, maybe Gueye and Schniederlin won't be forced into the same starting line up. Ross might stay...
79 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:11:56
80 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:12:04
Unsy could be the man. Hopefully he will show his worth as caretaker. We have 3 tough away games but hopefully Goodison will be back to its baying, intimidating best against Watford.
Unsy will have a baptism of fire with these away games, but I am optimistic he will fire up the troops to play to their potential.
81 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:12:41
COYB and KEEP THE FAITH!
82 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:12:47
83 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:13:19
84 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:13:50
Has there been a statement yet?
85 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:13:50
86 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:14:01
Yes he knows the club but really? With his recent car crash of a career, it would be us doing him a favour, which given our league position, we shouldn't be doing. Never go back.
87 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:14:05
88 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:14:49
90 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:15:13
I guess that smirk when Arse scored their 5th was him winning a bet with Bill.
"We win today Bill, he stays"
"I'm sure he'll turn it around Fazza"
"Oh no (smirk smirk)"
92 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:16:07
93 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:16:29
94 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:16:36
96 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:16:47
97 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:16:53
98 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:17:04
Moyes II, Allerdyce or Pardew and I'm done. You might as well add Steve McLaren to the list.
100 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:17:06
He steadied the ship last year and got us to seventh or best of the rest. who's responsible for the purchases and lack of purchases in key areas is still up for debate.
Nonetheless - correct decision because there was just no way he was going to turn this around.
102 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:17:50
103 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:17:56
BUT OKAY, THAT'S FOOTBALL
104 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:18:03
Wheres that knife??? I haven't got a gun license
105 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:18:07
All Evertonians who live in the vicinity of Goodison Park please man the barricades being erected around the ground. Any signs of a ginger headed Scot or a fat bellied brummie should be reported immediately. Do not approach either as they could be armed (penknife) and should be considered dangerous.
106 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:18:47
107 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:19:06
108 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:19:41
109 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:19:50
110 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:20:06
Baines and Jags don't strike me as being like that, we sold two players who downed tools during RM and RK's eras. The rest of them have only been with us 5 minutes, from the youth set up or injured.
111 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:20:07
I'm sure Big Sam has said he won't do club football again and Bill's appointments are completely lacking in imagination. Hello David!
112 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:20:33
113 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:20:34
114 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:21:00
I think they've erased Mike Walker from their databases.
115 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:21:16
"Everton have fired Ronald Koeman. It's a manager a week at present. Crazy business."
What insight! What deep intelligence! What a moron!
Why doesn't he just turn up in a frock like the transvestite MotD commentator on W1A. He's just as dull and much less funny.
116 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:21:43
117 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:21:45
118 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:21:57
119 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:22:33
Hopefully Kenwright, Elstone and Woods follow soon. Moshiri get your men at this club and remove the deadwood at the top, only then do we really start moving forwards.
120 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:22:52
121 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:23:48
122 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:23:53
Maybe Niasse will get Koemans locker.
123 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:24:52
These guys don't understand dogfights . .
124 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:24:57
125 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:25:13
Rob, your correspondence and the McNulty massacre on the Beeb mustve been the proverbial straw. Arise, Sir Robert.
126 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:25:15
127 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:25:50
128 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:27:07
129 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:27:22
130 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:27:43
It would be just so Everton to reappoint him wouldn't it?
I guess it depends on how the board view the situation, early days, give David Unsworth a chance with Joe Royle and Duncan Ferguson, I swear it would be a better team to watch but not sure if they are up for it.
Big Sam would smack of a team in dire trouble needing a saviour from relegation, which actually is true, even if I don't want to admit it. But a better bet than untried David... If the board are on the ball another candidate may well have been chosen already, but since when have the board ever been on the ball..
I do feel relief.
131 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:28:20
132 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:28:30
Until he is removed it will never get any better I'm sad to say. He has no business acumen or footballing savvy other than a steely determination to remain the main man at Goodison, running an outdated, old gentleman's club while we slide from one of the 'Big Five' and into oblivion.
Get that aeroplane ready in fact, get a whole squadron... the man is an egocentric embarrassment who's time is up.
133 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:28:36
134 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:29:00
Steve Brown - I have ambition for our club, that's why I don't want Ancelotti. He is not the type of coach we need. He takes over established teams and carries on winning for a season. He never rebuilds teams. We need a hands on coach to drill this lot into a formation and game plan. Ancelotti is not that man.
And do you honestly think if we approached him he would seriously consider it? Name a time he has gone to a team not in the CL? Or when has he taken on a team in a relegation fight?
135 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:29:03
136 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:29:06
Pardew - No.
Mclaren - No.
Allerdyce - No.
Ancelotti if we could get him with Unsworth would suit me.
138 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:30:50
This year the emperor's clothes have finally been revealed. Would love a PROVEN manager for the long term please. Someone like Maurizio Sarri from Napoli would be amazing.
139 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:30:59
If Klopp goes will there be calls for Brenda to return,? How about if Wenger goes from Arsenal will there be calls for George Graham?? No there won't be so fuck off with the Deadly Dave shouts everyone.
140 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:31:21
141 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:31:36
142 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:31:42
143 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:32:41
I worry that the group of players he inherits aren't really up to it.
146 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:34:16
147 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:35:03
Something stinks at this club and the board and players need to hang their heads.
148 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:35:13
Sometimes things that fit happen without really trying to force it. I personally absolutely love the guy and his approach to the Everton and football in general.
149 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:35:47
150 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:36:25
The fans who go to home and away games should be rewarded for watching the rubbish these two managers serve up, how about some free tickets to the next Europa League game paid for by Martinez and Koeman from their payout!
151 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:36:32
D Unsworth I believe is absolutely our best choice in the immediate future as caretaker without the pressure or expectation that it is necessarily a permanent berth. I am sure he will respect and understand that and will be willing to step aside if and when a more experienced top manager can be attracted in a few weeks.
He may, however, turn out to be God's gift. Unless we try we will never know, but whoever it is, they have got to get this bunch of misfits working properly if we are to remain in the top flight. We remain in a dogfight now with (as I said on another thread this morning) only 18 points from our last 19 games. Thankfully we've got 3qtrs of this season left.
152 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:36:35
153 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:36:36
I really hope Unsy is given a decent chance to prove what he can do. He has done brilliantly with the U21/U23 side and deserves a chance to see if he can transfer that to the first team in my opinion.
154 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:36:43
155 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:37:14
156 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:37:54
Add to that Dyche no, Howe no please.
157 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:38:01
Come on Christy. You know better than that. They're probably logged on here looking for ideas
158 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:38:09
159 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:38:28
160 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:38:42
Tunchel had Dortmund playing great football is relatively young. Anceloti is proven class
Fat Sam would have us back up the table no doubt. At least its exciting again.
161 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:39:03
162 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:39:33
163 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:39:38
The state we are in, we don't some 'fancy dan' manager or throwing David into the frying pan.
What would happen if we then lost the next 4 or 5 matches.
I'm not suggesting giving Sam a long term contract.
He knows how to get teams winning.
164 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:39:40
165 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:40:26
166 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:40:30
167 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:41:24
And contrary to others I don't think its a sad day but a good day as this is what the big clubs do so kudos to Moshiri.
168 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:41:57
169 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:42:00
170 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:42:28
But if Unsworth lost the next five games, it's still not January, and there's still plenty of time to get someone in who can fix it.
171 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:43:06
Didn't work out too badly with a certain Pep Gaurdiola .
172 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:43:39
173 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:43:42
Could be wrong but I have a feeling Bill was indeed behind this
Either way, i'm just glad he is gone
174 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:44:16
175 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:44:56
176 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:44:58
177 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:45:00
That said Ronald was indeed only looking at us as a stepping stone and showed no sign of ever "getting" what we are about. No rapport with the players, no rapport with the fans and whatever it costs us to sack him will be recouped if Barkley now signs a new deal and therefore doubles his transfer value overnight.
Ultimately only the club matters and having been given such a huge sum of money to spend he was negligent in not buying a replacement for Lukaku before anyone else. I think the absence of Lukaku has been overplayed to a degree - had there been an established pattern of play with width and pace we would have scored more goals. The RS don't have a striker as such yet have no problem scoring goals and I am sure that if we created more we would score more and don't get me started on the defence!
A good decision taken after giving him a decent enough amount of time to show signs of turning it round - now for the hard part!!
I don't want a foreigner - we've tried two now without success. Get a Brit in who understands the club and its heritage and the expectations of the supporters. Unsy deserves a try - if not what more does he have to do? Let the CEO run the club and Unsy run the first team - he has the knowledge of the youngsters to know who to play and he knows Everton and Evertonians. If he can't put a smile back on everyones face and get people to play to their potential then I don't know who can.
178 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:45:20
Hopefully the link with David Moyes is lazy journalism. We wouldn't have him back...Would we?! I think BK probably would but this would show a complete lack of ambition.
I want us to get a Ancelotti. If we're serious about getting back to the big time he is the man we need so Moshiri needs to sell the club to the Italian. It's unlikely he'll come, but if you don't ask, you don't get, as my dad used to always say. The other names are Thomas Tuchel and Sean Dyche. Any of the aforementioned would be good choices in my opinion.
The other early frontrunner is David Wagner. That's an interesting link. Tbh, apart from Ancelotti, Tuchel and Dyche. I'd prefer to give the job to Unsworth until the end of the season.
180 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:46:15
I should be sat here feeling smug and say " I told you so" however the mess he has left behind is nothing to be smug about ! I told anyone that would listen last year and posted several times on this website that Koeman was not the right man for Everton FC , only a few others voiced their displeasure at his appointment.
As for the football we have had to endure over the last 14 months I can honestly say apart from the fluke 4-0 Man City game I have not enjoyed any game under his leadership and his brand of football made Bobby brown shoes tika taka look positively magical !!
So glad see the back of the man , so many memories of my time living in Barcelona watching him dismantle a good Valencia side it was like history repeating itself .
Now who to get in , first get Unsworth to take charge and get some organization and fire in the bellys of our first team and then I quite like the idea of Paulo Fonsceca who David Israel on this site suggested yesterday but please please not Moyes or Big Sam !!
181 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:46:29
Moyes being bandied around, - it may be the board will bring him in as an interim manager until they find their target - not sure if Moyes would do this, but its not being kicked around without there being some truth to it.
I know many will not want it, but our target this season has to be to get out of trouble and move up as quickly as possible - bringing in someone who has experience of the club might seem like a good move to the board. I am not saying I agree. The option of Unsworth/Dunc would be interesting - but taking control of 1-2 games at end of season is not same as taking control to end of season.
Just playing Devil's advocate on this.
182 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:47:14
Big no to Allardyce - his style of football is appalling and his CV sucks. No to Dyche also - Mike Walker would spring to mind with that appointment.
Need to go after the heavy hitters and show the club means business: Ancelotti or Tuchel - just pay them what they want before this season comes down to the FA Cup hope and a relegation battle.
184 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:49:40
185 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:51:01
186 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:51:18
Experienced managers like anceloti souness or tuchel, failed managers like Moyes big Sam or up and coming like silva, Wagner, dyche.
Tough call. Unsy has no record so would be a big big risk
187 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:52:10
It's Double dutch to me
188 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:52:33
On a side note Koeman cant be happy with the job Walsh did... unless he asked for 8 number tens and a half useless full back.
The clamour for us to play with 1 defensive midfielder.. well thats what happens when you have an arsenal team running at will at our defense.
And on another side note, Koeman you blues t-shirts now on sale !
189 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:52:39
190 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:52:50
If they get results,keep them there on a month to month basis, but at least give them up until December before going full out on our next manager, I would rather wait a few weeks, instead of jumping in straight away for someone who we may already have at our club.
191 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:53:11
Reading the posts one could be forgiven for thinking that the biggest syndicate on record, had won the largest lottery to date.
Well, I was only saying before, that something had to happen before it was too late.
It will be a difficult task for whoever gets the job, with survival at the top of the agenda, and anything above can be considered a bonus.
The only downside, which doesn't have too much impact on us really, is he walks away with a fat wedge, reward for failure in my eyes.
If he was anything of a man he should give the compensation back to the Club, as an apologetic gesture, for the embarrassment he has caused, and the Holy Grail blown.
193 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:54:28
Funny how different managers can make fans say they're done. I was 'done' on the hiring of Martinez. Just took me two seasons to accept it.
Moyes seems a broken man after his last three appointments, the fire has gone. If Everton reignited it I'd be happy, I'm just not sure it will. MKII are Jaguars, not managers.
194 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:54:42
Everton need a manager that can fight relegation,dogs of war football,so forget all these Ancelloti manager types,its Dyche,big sam or Moyes that we are getting.Thats how bad Koeman and his 140 million spending spree has been.
195 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:55:01
196 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:55:25
197 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:57:04
If a manager is good enough for the latter, than he'll solve the relegation threat. No Sam, Moyes etc.
199 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:58:50
He knows some of them but I don't see how he'd be a safe pair of hands any more than Rhino? Rhino's coached or played with many of them.
200 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:59:46
201 Posted 23/10/2017 at 14:59:47
Unsworth would be good if he can command the respect of the senior players but I'd be worried he's too close to the likes of Jags and Baines who are chronically underperforming and for me, are central to the problem of complacency and apathy. We've got a few senior players who need a colossal kick up the jacksie. No more sad little soundbites about how we are focussed on putting it right.
Not sure he'd come but Ancelotti until the end of the season would at least put a red hot poker up the crevice of any player that thinks he's too senior to work his bollocks off. He wouldn't be mates with anyone meaning the entire squad would need to impress him.
We shall see...
202 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:00:19
I think it was significant that both Unsy and Moshiri were at the game yesterday. Moshiri probably asked him for a diagnosis before naming him interim manager.
Unsy needs to put his arm around Ross and get him to stay. Then he needs to do the same with Klassen and Sandro and give them a few games with the U-23 team until they get up to speed. And last, but not least, he needs to rotate Rooney and Siggurdsson in the number 10 role as its obvious they cant play together.
We need DCL and Niasse to hold the fort until a proper forward is brought in in January.
203 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:01:49
Don't forget, Unsworth won his last game in charge of the 1st team 3-0, and did so playing kids like Kenny, and that was 18 months ago.
204 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:02:51
205 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:03:08
206 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:03:46
And what is Ferguson's position because he has been a big part of the last two failed regimes.
207 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:03:58
Only time will now tell if we can recover our belief and confidence in pulling ourselves together, under a still inept system 'upstairs' who are responsible for this shambles and who have made a mockery of our proud, NIL SATIS NISI OPTIMAL motto, COYB
208 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:04:32
209 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:06:42
210 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:06:54
I do feel Steve Walsh should shoulder the blame for not replacing Lukaku. Koeman can be blamed for what happened on the pitch (or what didn't happen), although the players should be ashamed too. However, EFC must have known long before the summer that Lukaku was not signing a new contract and was leaving. Walsh is responsible for transfers and he had all the time he needed to find a replacement and make a plan B, C and D.
It seems Giroud was the only real contender and he decided to stay at Arsenal and yes, there were whispers of Diego Costa but it's difficult to attract top strikers to a club not playing in the Champions League. I also feel Walsh wasn't negotiating with other clubs, but rather paying whatever they asked for. I think all the signing this summer were positive, but I feel we paid over the odds for most of them. Walsh may have introduce a couple of decent players to EPL via Leicester, but the priority for EFC was replacing Lukaku and he failed to do that.
Sorry to see Koeman's reign end in such a bad way, I was extremely excited when he joined. I wish him all the best and thank him for last season. I can't say I'm surprised with the current list of contenders to replace Koeman, but if Moshiri wants to attract top players to the club, he needs to bring in a top manager those players will know, respect and will want to play for. We also need to think about players we currently have who might have signed because of Koeman, will they want to stay at Everton or look to move on in January?
211 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:07:31
Tuchel would probably be my other favourite, but I do not think he is likely to come here.
I too am now looking forward to the next game! It's been awhile too...
212 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:08:11
213 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:08:25
215 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:09:19
Benitez? No for two reasons, his little club jibe doesn't deserve to be forgotten. Secondly , why would he leave Newcastle when they are facing the exciting prospect of a new owner pumping money in.
McClaren? Are you joking?
That leaves Dyche, Hughton, Howe and Wagner. All have a strong case in theory; in practice Everton are a difficult club to manage. We, the fans want a team that has at least parity with Liverpool, we expect to challenge, perhaps unreasonably, for a top four place.Yet we haven't quite got the resources to muscle in on that status. All the above are experts in building defensive stability and strong team spirit, which is urgently required at the moment, but beyond the short term they are unproven in building a team that could challenge higher up the Premiership and get a European place, even a Champion's League place.
To be honest, I'm not sure that Unsworth or Ferguson are the answer, but they may be cheap and that may be a factor.
216 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:09:26
Both wealthy owners but with Leics having the recent history of being PL Champions.
217 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:09:28
looks like your letter did the trick then !
218 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:10:13
219 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:12:44
We beg to differ on Allardyce, one thing we can say for a certainty though is there will be no shortage of applicants for the managers job.
When we get the injured players back and perhaps get Barkley back on board on a new contract, the job shouldn't be that difficult.
220 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:12:47
If Koeman comes out and says that Walsh wouldn't sign the people on his list (and they are realistic and not the likes of Messi or Neymar), then fair enough. But as Koeman has the ultimate decision, the buck stops with him not with Walsh. Let's see how the next guy does, and if it's the same old, then let's point the finger at Walsh. Right now, we simply do not know. All we can be sure of is he has made a lot of swift and decisive young signings for the youth team.
221 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:13:51
222 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:14:00
223 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:14:14
224 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:15:16
Other people may know, when the manager has been fired. how many 2nd team coaches in the premier have been successful.
We have been clamoring for Koeman to be fired for quite some time and I believe the club has got to find an experienced manager who has to understand he has landed in a mess,and will need all the experience he has gained in top flight football to get us out of it while slowly rebuilding the confidence in the players.
Reading comments we all have personal views who we should hire but as supporters we have to understand what a mess Koeman has left and while Unsworth may steady us to a mid table position we need someone with extensive knowledge of Premier and European football to take us to a higher level.
We have been managed with to much mediocrity in the past, if the owner is as ambitious as we are to believe ,,don't make to quick a decision, and make sure we get the right person and not a manager that will just do it for the money or advancement to another club but someone who can leave a successful established Premier and European side when he retires.
225 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:15:51
227 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:16:03
Ffs can Kenwright do nothing right. Time for him to step aside also and let the real progress begin.
230 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:16:29
232 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:17:28
233 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:18:31
234 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:19:33
235 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:19:54
236 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:20:39
I would then try to get Sean Dyche, as he has experience of the Prem, has produced good attacking football on a shoestring, and quite regularly beat the 'big guns too' .
Just imagine if he had some money, what he could achieve, that is if there is any left.
Failing that David Wagner, although he is a relative newcomer to the top table, for the same reasons as Dyche really has produced a decent side capable of beating the top sides, on a limited budget.
237 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:20:40
238 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:23:26
239 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:23:49
I'll admit my eyes did light up just now when I read the news though, as a change did need to come.
So now what? I'm honestly quite confused as to what the club does at this point, since they don't (so far in the last hour) appear to have anyone lined up. Unsworth would bother me in the medium to long term, but likely to be the man to step in while we look for a permanent new manager.
I still don't like the idea, since he's going to inherit a pile of shit to sort out and still won't have Barkley, Coleman, Bolasie or a striker of any note to use. Tough gig if you ask me, and I also can't see many managers on the outside looking at the Everton job as a plum one right now either!
240 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:24:09
241 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:24:24
242 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:24:53
243 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:25:23
244 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:25:28
We need someone to smash that glass ceiling not another manager to keep us in touch with the top 4 (6) teams.
245 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:26:11
246 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:26:13
247 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:26:15
248 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:26:39
We would be if it where February and in the same position but top 6 is deffo achievable with the right man in charge.
For me it has to be Unsy, blue through and through and knows the players. If the ginger surrender monkey gets the job then I'm finished, I swear I'll send my season ticket back if they employ him.
249 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:27:33
If he comes back that's me finished with the club. I would never go to another game whilst he is at the club. A lot of fans would feel the same way I suspect...
Please board, not Moyes for God's sake and that of the fans...
250 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:27:56
252 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:28:43
and so to bed.
253 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:28:43
and so to bed.
254 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:28:45
I am not speculating for who to come in. I'm more interested to see Barkley signing his new contract now. If he did, we would have a much clearer picture what really went on behind the scene.
255 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:29:32
256 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:29:46
257 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:29:59
258 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:30:15
Why not Dave Challinor or Alan Devonshire, they won the Vanarama North and South Leagues. Both more impressive than U23s.
Maybe we could lure the Skem U11s manager to work alongside Unsy as a sort of dream team.
If Moshiri wants a top 4 finish next season then we need a top 4 manager. Look at Conte, Guardiola, Mourinho and Klopps CVs and if the candidate dosnt measure up (like Koemans didnt) then he is not suitable.
259 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:33:53
260 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:34:49
Fuck that. I want the best, not middle of the road managers with no track record.
261 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:35:32
RK's removal not a minute too soon. Everton FC want to be a top 6 club. We don't want to replace him with next or second best.
There's a major rebuilding job ahead.
Wonder how safe Walsh is? Koeman's not the only one to blame for this.
262 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:36:10
Why could it work? Because most of the team are young, he has worked with them before. He knows them. He can hit the ground running. He should be able to get a response out of them.
Also, he has managed one premier league game before and won it 3-0. He also won the PL2. He has developed a lot of players in a short time. He should have respect of the senior pros and the likes of Wayne Rooney will respect him as a player he used to watch. So, I think he should be given a fair crack at a few games and then take it from there.
263 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:36:43
Unsworth would be interesting.
Silva, Tuchel or Phil Walling for me.
Please Lord make them get it right.
264 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:37:23
Benitez is definately an interesting one.
Theres no doubt hes an excellent coach, his CV is testament to that abd ges worked wonders at Newcastle.
Garth Crooks at the weekend even stated that if he had the resources he could win the league with NUFC...HA!
I wouldnt go that far but I know what he means.
With the right players and recources he will mold a very good team to challenge tge top 4..
It doesnt really bother me whos manager he was previously.
Its all about whats best for THIS CLUB.
In football terms thats all that should matter..
The big questions are...would he be asked and would he come?
I wouldnt be upset or against him coming but my personal choices would be Tuchel or Silva.
I want a bold manager for the long term.
The same questions arise..would they be approached and would they come?
If the incentives are there I think they would.
This appointment is probably the most crucial in the last 30 odd years.
It has to be the right one which is why I don't think there will ve a rush to choose.
265 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:38:19
Considering the number of under-performing players in our squad, you target a 20 year old Croat who has half a dozen starts under his belt. Talk about picking a scapegoat and sticking to it...
I've been impressed by Vlasic. In a poor and static team at least he has a go and runs with the ball; if some of the others made decent runs off him then his end product might be better.
266 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:40:24
Who still thinks Moshiri is a pushover?
267 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:41:09
268 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:41:31
Everton are without doubt at this moment in time one of the worse football teams in the premier league.They struggle to have shots on target and leak goals and they cant buy any players until January !.
Everton need a manager to keep them in the premier league this season.Arsenal had not won an away game all season and lets be honest they could have put 10 past Everton !.
Wake up ToffeeWeb and smell the coffee,the aim for any new manager this season is to keep us in the premier league !.
269 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:45:47
Surely that'd be a worthy move.
270 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:45:49
271 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:46:06
There are only 7 points between us and Watford in 6th place.
Well over half the season to go, that's well clawabackable.
272 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:46:08
If EFC want to be a top 6 club we have to start thinking like one.
273 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:46:32
274 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:47:54
275 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:48:00
Any team the with resources could win the Premier League!
Man City! Man Effing City! Who the hell were they before the cash? Sean Goater was their legend! Chelsea even. Small club in west London!
276 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:48:26
Just when weve cleared out the deadwood who will a new manager want to clear out? Id say Pickford Keane Coleman baines (for now) gana vlasic lookman, sig, Rooney Davies lookman and dcl are safe. Everyone else could be gone.
So another complete rebuild of the squad which means were miles away from top 4. The last 3 months have been so bad for this club.
Unless someone like anceloti can gel the current lot and get them playing better attaxking football and it turns out to be koeman who was holding them back. Actually no idea which is it
277 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:49:12
Since 2002, we're now a richer club with a better if unbalanced squad.
This reminds me of when Spurs hired their current manager. They'd struggled with a raft of signings and had the players from about 3 different managerial reigns. Sound familiar?
We need someone to come in and fix the system, get the youth players firing and manage the likes of Barkley, Davy, Sandro and Keane to their full potential. It doesn't have to be a name, it can be from left field. I don't care what their nationality is. They cannot be given more and more money. We don't need a facelift. We mostly have the personnel and more coming down the line with Kenny and Dowell.
But they have to be able to manage with what they have and get the optimum out of that. Neither our last two managers were able to do that and probably got by courtesy of Lukaku, Barkley and the defence. That is why we have an eccentric squad and have witnessed so many abject runs in the last 3 seasons.
There is a lot to be positive about but what the board now do is crucial. If they get this right, we could be in the top group within 18 months. Get it wrong, and we would have become like so many of the other clubs who fritter away millions on players and managers that we, before now, were happy not to be.
278 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:49:13
The football basics need addressing now.
It will not be a quick fix but at least someone is now in charge who is Everton through and through respected at the club.
Best of luck Rhino!!!!!
279 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:49:25
280 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:50:33
281 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:52:21
Think you need to accept that we aren't a big club. We haven't been since the 80s. No big name coach will touch us as they want an established squad, in a safe position that they can throw money at to make 2 or 3 tweaks and hopefully win something else for their CV.
We are not currently a top 6 squad, we couldn't be further from it. We need someone who is driven and ambitious that can rebuild us into a top 6/7 team next year and push on. The big names like Ancelotti are not this person as they want an easy ride at an established team. We need someone who will get their hands dirty and put some blood and sweat in to beat this lot into a team that know what to do on a pitch.
People still seem to think we are a "big club" and have some divine rite to expect to win the league each year and have the worlds best manager. We all want the club to succeed and win things, however some of us are realistic and realise we can't compete with the City, Utd, Chelski money etc. We may have spent big this window, but they have been spending big for years, and their base squads are light years ahead of ours.
282 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:53:34
284 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:54:22
This isn't a quick fix. This is a long term job. We need someone young, hungry and prepared to put big effort in on the training pitch. That is where we sort this mess out. We need a tracksuit manager to get these guys fit, because they are not fit, we need to run pressing drills and press as a team. We need drills to work out how to move the ball when we win it, we need to make these footballers play without thinking. We need to dramatically up the tempo.
Sure Dyche fits the above bill. But i'd rather see Unsworth in the short term, with a view to doing well and getting it long term. But I also want to see Silva or Tuchel. Anyone who can convince they can coach the side. There's players there. The answer is not to sell 15 and buy another 6. Let's work with what we have, get a striker in, get Funes fit, get Barkley fit and see what the new guy can make happen.
285 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:54:36
286 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:54:39
287 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:55:16
288 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:56:01
289 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:57:50
290 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:57:58
Going for Moyes wouldn't end well. We need to learn from the Kendall 2nd and 3rd spells that it doesn't work second time around.
Maybe its too early for Unsworth. I'd not like to see him go the way of Shakespeare as that would be the end of him at the club.
Someone who can organise a team. Even if that means Allerdyce, not attractive but would stop the rot that has spread.
291 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:58:11
292 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:59:00
The board have acted decisively and Everton FC are a big club and a very rich one with massive fan base so yes we have got the right to call for the best man for the job and for six million a year we should have no shortage of takers and for those fans running round screaming "relegation relegation " get a grip !!!
293 Posted 23/10/2017 at 15:59:58
Thank you Moshiri... No nonsense!
Best thing is the new manager will get money to spend next year. Barkley will also possibly want to stay (who knows). I hope we get it right this time.
Top notch Spanish or Italian manager please!
294 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:00:38
We just need the right man at the helm.
295 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:02:20
Usually a new man at the helm starts to make a difference pretty soon and we all hope that's the case here. He couldn't do any worse than what has gone on already this season. Koeman had just lost the plot and it showed in the body language of the players.
296 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:02:24
Pochettino has worked wonders at Spurs since, and there's never a mention for Tim Sherwood. But I think if you want to draw a parallel with Spurs there is yet another one to be made.
The other parallels are the Bale / Lukaku sale. The splurge on players who the manager (ABV) could not get to gel. Then in came the youth coach (Sherwood) he didn't do much, but what he did do was bring through a load of kids and get them experienced, then Pochettino came in and was able to get hold of Spurs with Kane and co already in the first team.
So in my eyes, Sherwood did play a (Small) role in Spurs resurgence. So, maybe Unsworth will not work out, but perhaps he can transition the club for the next manager by getting those group of highly talented kids into the first team and giving them something to build on.
I would say Unsworth has achieved more than Sherwood did at U23s, that we have more quality in terms of numbers, but perhaps not a Harry Kane quality player. Who knows how good Calvert-Lewin will be. He's got everything bar the finishing, and we're all just praying that the finishing and goals suddenly comes (like it suddenly did for Kane) and then he doesn't stop.
297 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:03:02
298 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:06:48
299 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:07:56
We should appoint either someone presently unemployed or bring Unsworth in temporarily until the end of the season.
The last thing we want to do is rush a permanent appointment in. For sure we are still going to be shit the next month or two.
300 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:08:16
301 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:08:28
Or we do shit and results stay the same, in which case we get out the bat-phone and call up Big Sam.
Or results pick up dramatically and we give him until the end of the season and then give it him full-time in the summer.
302 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:08:38
303 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:08:54
304 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:09:07
Yes it is a very tricky one.
Remember Jimmy Gabriel?
How did that go?
305 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:10:12
306 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:11:01
307 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:12:16
I have always maintained we have a decent squad, although it could be argued we have got too many similar position players. The correct blend will see confidence restored, and hopefully the results will too.
Koeman's Blueprint for success, has turned out to be a Brownprint for failure.
Does anyone know whether Steve Walsh has escaped the sack, and I assume all Koeman's gang will have departed too?
308 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:13:43
309 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:13:47
Of course, it's only the start of hopefully a recovery and getting the right person/team in over the next few weeks is crucial. Let Unsworth run with it for the time being. These are good players if motivated and given direction under a tactically aware manager, and win, lose or draw over the next few week - it couldn't have got any worse.
A top drawer replacement will be needed - and hopefully not just the usual suspects either. No going back to Moyes, please - his race is run and hopefully he'll give Scotland a go. Rafa would actually do a reasonable job - but the 'small club" comment still sticks in my throat. Can we aim higher than a 'keep 'em up' expert like Alladyce, please.
Is this a chance to get Barkley back on side? Hopefully. Here's hoping our season starts to kick-start now.
311 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:15:20
What concerns me about Dyche is that he's a good manager at this moment in time but the PL history is littered with managers who had one or two good seasons. Burley, Curbishley etc.
312 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:15:46
'Pep Guardiola - no way, even dropped points to us, the twat'.
I don't know who the new appointment will be, though I'd be astonished if it's Moyes and srurpirised if it's Unsworth or Allardyce. The strategic choice is whether to apoint short term survival (Dyche possibly best bet), or longer term prospects. Either way they've got a fight on thier hands until the window opens.
313 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:16:29
I was making that comparison (Lukaku/Bale).
I'm concerned we'll go for the obvious choice. I would like to see a young exciting coach, tactically astute who gets that extra effort and fight from the players.
314 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:16:57
Whoever gets the job we need to get behind him and help in the process of turning the season around.
315 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:18:50
Just as every cloud has a silver lining and it was great news, for me, hearing Koeman has been given his comics, I feel also that every silver lining has a cloud, and Moyes would be a fuckin' pitch black one.
316 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:19:01
317 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:20:30
318 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:21:04
319 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:22:23
Only one guy.
I saw that at the live forum yesterday and apparently the same person (too lazy to scroll up to look for his name) now on this thread.
I'm glad that it's not the consensus. I watched him played for half a match (Europa match ended 2-2), I thought we had a star there.
320 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:22:36
I feel fucking sad we've had our trousers pulled down yet again by someone who doesn't give a sh1t. Millions wasted once again, frigging laughing stock
No knee jerks, let people take charge who understand the DNA of the club for the short term at least
Yes, the Moyes media fuelled self-fulfilling prophecy has to stop right now. That would be the end of it for me
321 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:23:47
For those who think this isn't a relegation fight, we have 8 points from 9 games, 5 of them at home - 'relegation fight' is exactly what it is, and our form would have to be spectacular to change that situation before Christmas. We're down there with Stoke and Bournemouth, both of whom were gutted not to get an arguably deserved victory at Goodison. Some turn around required, but I think we all believe we've got the players to do it - McCarthy and Barkley being two of them.
322 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:24:40
323 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:26:15
Let's at least get behind Unsworth for now and hope he turns it around immediately. I want Tuchel but I'm pretty sure there is a huge rift between expectations on both sides.
324 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:29:04
Roll on Chelsea away and the chance to recover some pride by having a team that seems happy in their own skin and comfortable in their roles and team shape.
325 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:30:59
326 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:32:22
327 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:34:48
Pickford, Kenny, Holgate, Keane, Funes, Baines, Davies, Schneiderlin (last season's model!), Gueye, McCarthy, Bolasie, Lennon, Sigurdsson, Klaassen (Ajax version), Barkley, Lookman, Vlasic, Rooney, Calvert-Lewin, Onyekuru.
Is there really not an eleven from that lot, or even Dowell, Garbutt, Galloway, Connolly, Beni Bang'emin, Anthony Gordon, Gibson, Pennington, Bowler etc who can be promoted from the youth ranks (or recalled from loan).
Some top manager is going to find that a bit of hard work could pay off big time and catapult him to the promised land. Surely someone like Silva will be licking his lips thinking he has a real chance with a group of players like that. Sure we can use a striker, a pacy winger, a centre-half, but the guy will be told there will be money to spend. This is a more than a "keep them up" job, and it's still only October. We could win on Wednesday, we could win a few in a row in the league and get up to 7th in no time, we could win and qualify in the Europa League. Anything is possible. We just need a leader we can get behind. Let's be positive blues.
328 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:37:14
Please dont ruin a belatedly good story by going anywhere near Allerdyce. He was a thug as a player, a crook as a manager and his teams mirror him.
We may have been in a relegation fight if RK had stayed but I do not believe we are now. 29 games left and though we have been woeful we are only 5 points behind the shite! Beat Leicester and Watford and all talk of relegation is gone.
Nobody has experience until they get it and everyone has a first appointment. Surely now is the time to see if unsy is up to it. If he isnt then we still have over half a season to sort it out. How many tomes have we called on young players to be given a chance, lets give unsy the next 6-10 games guaranteed and then see where we sit.
329 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:37:30
330 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:37:31
And there's been a lot of "but WHO could we get in to do better..." comments. And the simple answer for the short term, at least, is: "Just about anyone with both some basic knowledge of football, as well as a flexible mind"!
Koeman insisted on using the same failed formation, match after match, but with ever-varying player selections. Maybe his formation might have worked out in the end, but no players had any chance to get to know each other well enough for that.
331 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:38:37
332 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:38:49
Then a friend rang me and told me about Koeman and I haven't stopped smiling since.
333 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:41:43
Out of the frying pan .
334 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:42:13
I've been critical of Koeman from a few months into his reign, but as that wound has now been cauterised it seems redundant carping on about it. However, in my opinion, the rapid descent into calamity shouldn't be laid solely at his dreary, unwelcoming door.
Steve Walsh should, at the very least, be finding his own position under severe scrutiny right now. He blagged himself a cushy Director of Football role on the back of a hit and miss scouting career buffed up on ridiculous hype from a few of his more recent finds enjoying a season of barnstorming form. How the fuck does a PE teacher past, schlepping shite around Newcastle and Hull, followed by a large slice of fairytalesque luck and a liking for stats, make him a suitable fit for the pivotal task of shaping the future on-field direction of a footballing institution?
In May, when asked if he had full control over which players they would look to sign for the first team, Koeman said he did not but that he had 'input' ("Full control, no, I cannot control all the players I want. We speak about the players who will make the team stronger. Last week I said we need more players and more scoring players than we have right now"). A few weeks later Walsh is saying he doesn't have the final say on signings and has to get the nod off Koeman before a new player can be brought in. He just has 'input'.
Conflicting messages from the top and people wonder why an expensively assembled squad ended up a confused mess.
A large part of the problem with the whole Director Of Football/Head Coach dynamic is that there too often fails to be a clear demarcation between the two roles when it comes to the construction of a first-team dynamic.
We seem to have ended up with a hodge podge of wickedly overpriced, humdrum, 'talent', some of whom we're led to believe were brought in after being bigged up by Walsh (Gueye, Lookman, Bolasie) and others who were clearly corralled on the basis of familiarity to Koeman (Stekelenburg, Schneiderlin, Martina, Klaassen), with little thought given to whether the loose parts would all gel together.
Can contrasting ideas and/or compromise really be conducive to the formation of a coherent team?
It's the same with the slavish adherence to statistical data serving as a sign post to which players the club should spunk their wedge on. It's all well and good saying, "Wow, this guy made the 3rd most interceptions in the entire league... during the period Oct to Feb", or " This guy ran like fuck with a really red face much further than anyone else in his position managed to run with comparable crimson cheeks", and then thinking that's enough reason to recruit them all. How about giving equal consideration to whether they could possibly compliment each other and the players already at the club?
The signing of Vlasic doesn't exactly cover Walsh and his gang in glory either. Here we have a supposed 'super scout' with talent spotting networks set up all over the globe and a database the length of Dirk Diggler's dong, yet after a full year in the job the best he can come up with as the clock ticks down on the transfer window is to take a punt on some kid who put on a semi-decent show against us over two legs a couple of weeks back? What if Vlasic hadn't played in either of those Europa qualifiers? Would he be lining up for Everton right now? Would he fuck.
335 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:42:54
I am sure the team will play better for Unsy and as for a permanent manager, none of the names mentioned do it for me so I hope it is someone I have never heard of then I can think - this should be interesting.
336 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:44:07
Tony, is Phil your brother?
337 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:44:52
How many of those voters do you believe are Everton fans? 75% are probably LFC fans hoping we'll take Moyes back, so we'll stay worse than them...
338 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:45:53
339 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:48:22
Put him in as caretaker but immediately start searching for a new manager because Unsworth isn't the answer.
Of course if Unsworth isn't a short term success we really will then be fooked, so appointing Unsworth on anything other than a very short term caretaker is a recipe for failure as well as a huge gamble. In the position we are in we need an experienced manager. Benitez for me.
340 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:48:28
I can't believe some want him back, he should be bottom of the list. Just above him on the no list should be Martinez and Allardyce.
Koeman is an arrogant bully. Barcelona indeed, FFS !!
We need to hope that the board do a better job this time round. I was happy with Koemans appointment but even happier with his departure. I hope seeing Niasse scoring that last goal for us is preying on his mind heavily. He lambasted Oumar publicly and said he'd never play for us. What a choker this must have been and I for one am glad. Those saying it's never nice to see someone lose their job well I'd take issue with that. I'm chuffed to bit's he's been sacked. He fully deserved it and months ago by the way.
I just hope that Ross keeps his counsel and simply says " I'd like to sign a contract now please". That would send a message to the arrogant, ignorant, no-mark. Sorry Ronald but "okay this is justice and this Everton" I hope you never darken our door again.
Thanks Mr Moshiri for sacking this arrogant clueless idiot
341 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:50:08
As for Walsh's long list of finds, don't forget Drogba and his list of players he got for Chelsea.
I simply do not know how good Walsh is, or just how much he is to blame for the current mess. The proof is in the eating, and let's see what happens in the next two windows.
Edit: john - you do know Bolasie was signed by Lukaku don't you, at his request, as part of a deal to give it one more year!
342 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:50:17
I don't believe the players were playing for Koeman their demeanour showed this , I CANT believe they are that bad ? Koeman failed on many levels but mostly on man management. Todays modern players need to be "loved" having never worked a proper job or struggled to pay a bill its hard to get them to give a shit as is ,tough love doesnt do it anymore I feel
I don't think we should knee jerk , we should not fear Leicester are going to get our man. Time for cool heads , Give the Rhino a chance and lets see how things unfold maybe the stars are aligning
Cannot believe Moyes name is being mentioned even by Press
343 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:50:35
Will we be able to attract a good manager with that position existing at the club? Can Walsh work with a manager set on controlling which players get bought for the first team?
I only follow Everton, so how does that work outside our club? I assume a lot of you have been paying more attention to the greater world of football...
344 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:52:26
345 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:54:20
Just hearing Osman also saying Moyes is the best man for the job! God help us!!
346 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:55:16
i.e: if they're sensible enough to get rid of Koeman they're hardly gonna be fucking stupid enough to re-employ Moyes.
That's the theory anyway!
347 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:57:10
I do agree that it was time to move into the 21st Century and the system of Moyes negotiating the terms was too 1970s.
As to the role itself, there's different types. There's the American "General Manager" type role whereby this guy does everything the manager typically does but pick the side and coach the team.
Then there is the scout type, who merely gives a list to the manager who confirms who he wants and then a team of negotiators (see agents) then thrash out the terms. The Manager remains in control.
There are other types as well but it starts to get a bit technical with "back-office" stuff. I believe we used the latter rather than the former, and there was no doubt that Koeman was in charge and had the final say.
348 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:58:13
If he does well, there is no reason why top players won't come to us.
If they truly believe they are coming to an ambitious club, who are in, or near the CL positions, and who are willing to pay them well, they will come. It has nothing to do with the manager.
In this day and age, if you hadn't noticed, it's all to do with success and ££££.
Offer success and the right amount of ££££ and it wouldn't matter if Mickey Mouse was the manager and Popeye owned the club - "if you build it - they will come".
349 Posted 23/10/2017 at 16:59:44
350 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:00:08
It feels like emerging from the dark into the light, rubbing my eyes in bewilderment, confused which way to turn but happy that I can look forward.
I was just plain miserable watching Everton under Koeman. Despite my protestations he got another season because even though the football was doleful the results were not.
With that removed, laid bare was a fella who without a goal machine, which would embellish any managers cause, he was without any worthwhile ideas.
Unsworth has no down side short term. A placeholder of unknown value. He might take the opportunity with both hands, if not then we appoint from outside.
Just feels so much better right? Finally I feel excited about my blue boys once again.
351 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:03:28
352 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:04:01
Like two sides of the same shit coin, one publicly stated we where a small club and the other acted it.
353 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:04:32
So Koeman had his say for the first team, even for picking what targets Walsh should go for? That sounds reasonable, from a manger's point of view.
I wonder if it works the same for the Uxx squads?
Anyway, if Koeman was really calling the serious shots for who to bring in, then I have no problem with Walsh (except for his success rate...). And we've brought in a lot of good young players for the Uxx's that has had their parent clubs howling in pain...
354 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:08:03
355 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:09:02
356 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:09:26
Unsworth is also a no. Big Joe with Sheedy temporary yes. Does anyone know anything about the ex Dortmund coach, Tuchel?
357 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:11:45
Ancellotti would be my first choice but Tuchel and Mancini would also be acceptable. Fonseca as an outsider would be interesting.
If Jim White doesnt know all we can do is speculate and wait.
358 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:12:52
359 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:13:09
• The team is in a mess / unbalanced / no recognised striker.
• Confidence is shot to pieces.
• No clearly defined system of play.
To me, this suggests our greatest need is an organiser.
Im not advocating bringing DM back – but that was the type of job he did when he stabilised the club 15 years ago. We need someone of similar ilk.
I doubt any elite level manager would come here right now given the current state of the team / squad.
And simply flashing the cash only attracts mercenaries like RK.
Nobody immediately springs to mind but an interim appointment may be needed to steady the ship.
(Dyche is the favourite on Paddy Power).
On a positive note, Im encouraged that Moshiri had acted so decisively.
360 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:14:28
I think sacking the 'Dutchman' was vital. Let's keep it 'in house' and go with 'Unsy', and 'ffs' lets start climbing the table.
361 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:17:02
With the big money clubs having all the top players the only realistic way forward to success is a manager who knows tactics. Someone who can out think the big boys but play decent attacking football too.
Not sure there are many Brits who fall into this catagory but there are a few abroad. Simeone at Athletico has done it for years now and its someone like this we need.
Unsworth, Howe or Dyche may have it but in the ever revolving door of club management we won't know until we try one of them.
362 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:20:46
To me its a no brainier to give Rhino the job for a few games with a view to make it end of season provided we see some sort of up turn in performance
363 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:21:48
Each of the usual top 6 are 1/20 to considerably less.
364 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:24:19
365 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:24:29
366 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:27:25
SSN running with Ryan Giggs expressing an interest in managing either of the two clubs you mention.
367 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:27:30
I would have yesterday but seriously, Steve Brown makes a goof point on another thread about Unsworth being to important to the academy long term. We don't need him in a position where he is asking questions of himself, but then again football is ruthless and he might really want it.
368 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:27:51
I'm not sure his man management is good enough it seems the players don't want to work for him, the way he treated Niasse before he had even seen him kick a ball was ruthless, I know we all seen how badly he was at first but he keeps popping up lately and scoring so must have something.
Also the way he has destroyed Barkley in public is out of order should always do that behind closed doors.
Anyway Koeman is gone time to look forward. Not sure who is available out there. I'd give Unsworth the job until Christmas at least and see how he does, I love rhino and he doing wonders with the under 23's if anyone deserves a chance it's him.
BIG Sam could get us out of trouble come Xmas if Unsworth messed up and get us some good players in as well with the odd bung here and there to clinch the right player 😂
369 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:27:56
They already know and probably have the last couple of weeks.
370 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:28:01
371 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:28:35
372 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:29:19
No, but I did hear 'being Lukakuless' was defo the main stumbling block when a pre Everton Steve Walsh wanted to bring Bolasie to Leicester.
373 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:30:14
Them 2 belong in the grass like a dogs landmine.
374 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:33:47
375 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:37:34
376 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:37:50
What I hope we don't do is go for the predictable, mediocre appointment. Choosing a "safe pair of hands" and a manager who has demonstrated over time that they'll do OK but never take a team to the next level. That's your Moyes, Allardyce, etc.
The natural response of the board might be for the "safe" option. I believe that the only way that we'll truly move forward is if we take the risky option. Either by pushing hard for a manager who might be considered outside of our reach (Ancelotti, even Tuchel). Or by going for an internal hire like Unsworth.
My personal option would be Ancelotti with Unsworth as a #2, with a view to taking over in three years. That's not taking into account how realistic it would be; but we should be looking beyond just what's the easy choice.
377 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:37:51
We need someone who make us enjoyable to watch again. Martinez was decent in patches, but that lasted only a few months. Koeman was dull for the whole of his tenure, there is nothing worse than watching defensive football and STILL losing games.
I don't know if there is anyone who can turn this around without a striker though, someone else needs sacking for that particular dereliction of duty.
378 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:40:54
379 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:41:00
Anchelotti would be my shout, but not sure if he can turn this steaming pile of horse shit into a side that can stay up. So many issues in this team - left back, right back, left centre back, centre mid, left winger, strikersssssss .
380 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:41:28
381 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:42:53
382 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:43:59
383 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:45:22
384 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:46:29
Tuchel for me all day but I'm sure Moshiri has a much bigger list than mine when he made the decision to let rk go.
385 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:46:31
Re comments about Vlasic. Perhaps it would be good to see him in his more natural position upfront rather than midfield where he has been played occasionally before having a pop at him.
386 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:47:07
388 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:52:41
But I really don't want him to get the taint of our current plight stuck on him! I really hope he'll turn out to be our manager in the future, but he's currently only preparing for that leap! Don't ruin his future, as he will NOT be able to say no to Everton at any time; even (especially) at as bad a time as this is, and as unprepared as he currently is!
390 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:54:28
promised land of the top four than we were last May. A top name would cetainly want assurances that he would be given serious
money to rectify the glaring ommissions and unbalance of the present squad.
However the appointment of someone of the ilk of Dysche or Silva(and I would not object to either) would indicate that the horizons have been well lowered with insufficient funds for the time being to get us straight back on the road to the summit.
The more you look at the present situation and the make up of the squad you realise how much long term damage Koeman and Walsh have caused.
391 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:54:46
392 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:56:41
" Ryan Giggs would be interested in managing Everton."
Clive, I'd like Giggs to know that I'm interested in being Katy Perry's fun bags fondler.
393 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:57:06
394 Posted 23/10/2017 at 17:59:50
395 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:01:17
Thomas Tuchel is the most interesting name for me . Be good to know if he was interested .
396 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:01:52
397 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:03:17
398 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:04:08
399 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:05:00
I'm not a big fan of Giggs, as for him to pretending to be a decent person, but that might be hard to tell... I still feel we need decent people at our Club to be taken seriously!
400 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:05:41
His U23 sides at least play exciting football with some pace and width to an overall plan and suffice to say he knows the club and the players - all things we're crying out for?
401 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:07:52
402 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:09:04
403 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:14:24
Now why the fuck are sky asking for Carras opinion? Do our former players opine about their managerial prospects (what is it, 7 in 10 years?) every time they sack someone?
If Jim White is such a big mate of Moshiri then he should show some more respect.
404 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:15:58
Signed I think (but who knows who did) 2 or 3 very ordinary players for big money but waltzes out the door with a large fortune!
Chosing the next manager is very tricky because I can pick holes in every one of the leading candidates.
Whoever has a say who that man is needs to get this right, or we are right up the Kyber.
405 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:16:56
406 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:18:06
407 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:18:41
409 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:21:14
Are there no holes to pick in any of the current Top 4 managers? And are they all alike?
Maybe we just need to carefully pick one manager that fits us (never mind the warts that one exposes when seen from other team's expectations...)?
410 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:24:12
411 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:24:21
Ancelotti and Tuchel are the managers we should get. I think the managers we realistically can get, are Dyche, Silva or Fonseca.
412 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:25:05
I actually want to pinch myself. I'm so relieved he's gone. I'm more relieved than when Moyes and Martinez went and that's saying something.
I just despised him for his dictator like approach. My way or the highway. I would truly like to buy Oumar and Ross a drink in the Winslow and toast Ronalds good health with a pint of Advocaat .ding dong the witch is dead !!!! I bet they can't stop smiling, like me.
413 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:25:40
Ancelotti and Unsworth = Dream Team.
Last night I was thinking that Koeman could use this week for more training, as he always complained about not having enough time. Meanwhile he could have let Unsworth take the Chelski game, as they are expected to play a young team. So Unsworth could take young first team players and augment them with a few U23s, whilst having other U23s on the bench. I was going to post that thought on the Chelski thread, but Koeman's sacking has encouraged me to write it sooner.
414 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:29:31
They also say this, "Former Borussia Dortmund boss Thomas Tuchel may also be looked at, having left the German club in the summer, while David Moyes' name has been similarly mentioned, but the Independent has been told he is not currently considered a desired candidate."
416 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:35:39
417 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:36:49
There really is just one way forward .an Evertonian manager is needed for Everton. David Unsworth is the man and with either Joe or Peter Reid, perhaps both, as his mentor(s). We would never be able to complain about motivation or commitment or question their abilities to understand the game.
So come on Bill I was there with you in the Boys pen all those years ago,,,, and give David the chance to put it right.
418 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:36:53
419 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:37:12
And I'm definitely going to be tempering my excitement until I see who the actual replacement is. For what it's worth, I agree 100% with Steve Ferns - we need someone who'll be hands-on with the squad and get stuck-in on the training pitch. Not Ancelotti or Pelligrini, who'd basically fill out the lineup card, then fold his arms and go to sleep on the bench.
I do wonder if this paves the way for Barkley staying. I'm all for it, though I do suspect the love affair would last until, oh, about halftime of his first match and then he'd start getting slated on here again.
420 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:38:27
I'd like to believe if Moshiri was in sole charge the axe might have swung earlier, with Bill's influence and proud Everton values of giving a manager time, maybe thats why it took longer.
I don't buy that Moshiri would hold off just prove he was right as it was his pick. Successful people are ruthless not stupid.
Ironic that would be sacked in an act of pragmatism.
421 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:38:52
422 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:39:50
Then for some pragmatism and reality in whom is brought in as FT manager.
Surely now the lowest point since Walter Smith and Mike Walkers stint has been passed, and the squad can start with a clean slate.
Fresh hope, we've all been here before, but let's hope this time is the real deal and a manager who gets EFC and what it means.
423 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:41:12
425 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:45:33
426 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:47:54
Too many number 10s
Need to replace Lukaku
Why only now can they see it ?! My choice would be Rhino until Xmas and look to appoint from there! Im sure by picking a balanced team we have enough to be up to about 10th by Christmas then pick the right man from there!
If there was a clear out then how much would Klassen, Siggy and Keane be worth now ?
427 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:49:14
So nothing is really known, as all should know by now!
Papers will sell, salaries will be paid to 'journalists'...
429 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:51:26
A few fans above are being holier than thou about never wanting to see a man sacked but if ever there was a candidate for a good sacking it was this one. Lost me with the Lukaku comments about this time last year and has bored me with his football ever since.
430 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:53:53
431 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:55:28
432 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:56:09
What a Giggs, you mean? Only 2 at once, beginner's problem, truly! A true Giggs can handle the initial action at every front, eight points of the compass!
So I don't feel Ryan Giggs would ever care more for our Club than he does for his constantly wayward pet woodpecker. And we don't need that sort of person at our Club!
434 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:59:23
Have you seen our position ? Are you watching the players, their attitudes, confidence levels, focus, playing standards are zero.
This is not going to be an easy or quick fix.
We are going to struggle for quite a while, hopefully we can keep out the bottom half dozen.
I just hope the new manager is up for a fight and more importantly able to make the players aware and get them sorted to take on the survival challenge.
435 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:59:25
436 Posted 23/10/2017 at 18:59:58
437 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:01:17
438 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:01:18
According to many we need to await a manager who instils the confidence required to execute the absolute basics of football. Can we now expect Williams and Jagielka to pass properly, Baines to run, Keane to do something/anything, Rooney to get fit, Mirallas to play with his head up, Sandro to shoot on target? Gueye was simply stupid to attempt that tackle.The list is too long to cope with.
Too many on here seem far to keen to point at RK solely.
As for those pushing for “Big Sam” that is simply laughable. In a masochistic way that haunts Everton I hope we do get him so you can witness just how stupid you are and then you will retire from this site of at least have all your future comments colour coded so they can be easily isolated.
439 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:01:55
440 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:02:27
441 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:03:18
442 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:04:18
443 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:04:25
444 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:05:27
Gary Neville (with Phil as assistant)
Louis Van Gal
Roy Keane (with Gigs as assistant)
445 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:08:21
447 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:10:51
I have seen quite a few 'Stand up Comedians' but Brian Hennessy doesn't come to mind.
449 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:12:21
I would think that they will be tempted to try for Ancellotti but will settle for Dyche or Allerdyce or a combination Allerdyche. Yes they will hire them both- who would argue with those two motherfuckers in the dinner queue?
451 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:13:31
Remember that Mike Walker was the coming 'big thing' but what a disaster he turned out to be.
The board need to get this one right.
452 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:13:52
Keane just said the players really were to blame, not RK.
I read that, but I also wondered how any of the players could be so deluded as to only blame themselves! We have seen the players really try, but there was no sensible formation for them to act within! No pace in the midfield, no truly wide players for the fullbacks to utilize on a regular basis, no towering striker (as RK's tactics seemed to presume would be there...)!
A lack of sensible tactics utilizing the available players in their 'good' positions, combined with a failure to empathize with the Evertonian fan-base, is what brought RK down in the end
454 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:14:38
I see SSN believe that the local sage that is Tony Bellew is fit to be asked for his opinion. I didnt know Tony was an Evertonian - he never mentions it.
457 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:16:50
458 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:22:36
459 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:24:22
Koeman never flavour of the month with BK. He was MoshIri's man. Gives the lie to conspiracy theorists about BK's role at the club. He has some influence but not the power behind the throne. Figurehead in Moshiri's absence in Monaco. Moshiri pulled the trigger.
When RK appointed he wanted all first team staff gone. BK stuck out for DF. DF not Mr Popular at the club.
If FM is a genuine businessman he will have had discussions about/with replacements. Given three games in eight days wouldn't expect an appointment announced until after/ immediately prior to Watford at the earliest. Two-week gap to next game due to international break.
Dortmund top of BL. Why would Tuchel move? Ancelloti and Mancini are not renowned coaches and we badly need one to organise our back seven for starters.
Not fair to ask that of Unsworth. U23s great to watch but not sure about defensive solidity. Maybe as coach alongside ANO with a feel for defensive organisation.
Big Sam spoke well about the challenge on MNF a couple of weeks ago. Liked his approach last season when, after difficult early results, he said that if the players bought into what he asked for it would turn around.
461 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:28:44
Dortmund may be top of the Bundesliga BUT Thomas Tuchel is no longer their Coach. Departed in May this year.
462 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:32:55
463 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:36:26
464 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:37:12
465 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:38:00
We have a team that struggles to score more than 1 goal irrespective of the opposition and concedes goals for fun. I don't know about which manager we might get in as Houdini might not save us from relegation.
So I hope the fans will have reasonable expectations of what the new man can achieve before the next window opens in Jan. I know some will say we finished 7th last year, but the players playing in the side now are not the ones playing last year.
466 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:38:23
467 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:39:14
Ancelloti would bring a reputation and experience to the table, along with a CV which includes sackings ! !
Dyche is a well respected young manager who is gaining a reputation for well organised play, the players play for him, he is also hungry but of course this is another step up, but ALL successful managers have to take that step
What I do know is that whoever takes the reins is going to have a tremendously hard job, maybe the hardest in years..
There are players that need to be shipped out who have hardly broke sweat yet for the club, because we simply have too many players for too few positions, . The squad is totally unbalanced but there is some great young talent there.
Rooney has to go, he simply messes up the balance of the team and displaces Siggurdson in that no10, only Rooney as an out and out striker is an option but then you do not have a target man.
Klasson is an enigma, talented but light weight, he may yet end up back in Holland but deserves a fair shake as I would love him to work out.
Keane ? well he looks so slow, a liner turns quicker, totally shown up against the Arsenal but hopefully someone can iron out these faults but he seems poor value despite his young age and possible improvement with time.
Yes there may well be a severe cull with Everton taking a loss on some of the more recent purhases
We need someone who can organise the defence to stop leaking goals, then play to a system that the current players know inside out.We also need someone who is respected by the players but is also not too close that he cant rollick them and gain a response.
Fascinating to see how this all rolls out.
468 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:40:25
469 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:41:02
470 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:41:08
Dyche, gee he sounds like another Dutchman. A manager who would need to wear a space suit to work if he came to breathe the rarified air of a club like Everton.
Its time for our esteemed leaders to stick their fingers in the porous dyke and stop our magnificent, historical and ground breaking club from slipping into the sea. New stadium, uncle Tom Cobley and all.
471 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:43:13
The board did the right thing and dropped the curtain on this chancer. I didn't see that coming, I thought they'd drag it out. Glad to be wrong on that.
Onwards and upwards.. the new manager has a lot of talent at their disposal, and also a lot of confidence to build up.
472 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:43:28
Never in a million years he is a bent operator,you can't straighten a bent nail.all top coaches have to start somewhere I'd give unsworth the the job he's a winner who's won the PL2 against the odds and provided England u20s with 5 players 6 if you count Davies
473 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:44:05
474 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:45:37
475 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:47:16
476 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:49:32
477 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:50:04
481 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:51:09
482 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:52:13
483 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:52:13
Problem solved, mate. The players will fly up the league table now. Watch them go.
485 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:53:41
Paulo Fonseca option last time around but chose RK instead wants to manage in prem (pep says Shaktar best team around) good win rate.
Luis Enrique dream on.
486 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:54:14
Like I said, Pep Guardiola seems to be a fan of his, and if anyone likes to build football-playing sides, as opposed to backs-to-the-wall-they-shall-not-pass outfits, that man is Guardiola.
Overall, I wouldn't be disappointed if Fonseca was appointed, but I'd still prefer someone with a more proven record, especially in the Premier League. His compatriot Silva obviously springs to mind, in spite of his short time over here, but surely he's not leaving Watford at this stage.
488 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:58:40
Things are unlikely to change overnight, so all those putting up the bunting now Koeman has gone, are quite likely to be in for a bit of a comedown.
This team of misfits needs a lot more than a new manager.
489 Posted 23/10/2017 at 19:58:44
490 Posted 23/10/2017 at 20:00:27
492 Posted 23/10/2017 at 20:01:09
493 Posted 23/10/2017 at 20:06:01
494 Posted 23/10/2017 at 20:07:02
495 Posted 23/10/2017 at 20:18:58
There are very few who can satisfy the above and it will take time to find him. Marco Silva may the one but it is very early days for him at Watford. Also, Watford are conceding a few. Don't forget how well Bobby did with us at first. I think we need to wait until at least the end of the season before considering Silva.
Lots of names have been mentioned, I am not really convinced about any of them. Each (other than Ginger) seem to have their pluses. It may be that we do indeed need to appoint a short term manager to steady the ship and help us prepare for the step up that so desperately want and need.
To me it makes sense to have Rhino takeover for the short term only with reassurances given about his future. David gets Everton because he is a fan and he would be warmly welcomed by the supporters. It would be great experience for him and I really can't seem him making matters worse. It would be good to provide support in the shape of Joe Royle assuming Joe wants it. I Aldo think I would trust that pairing more with the Jan transfer kitty than anyone else at the moment.
Then, hopefully we will be in better shape to attract a top class manager that will take us up to the next level.
496 Posted 23/10/2017 at 20:21:34
Once we see hope on the horizon, we care again!
My Everton me says it's all false hope, my deeply buried positivist says "whoopeee!".
Aaargh, die you false hope, die! (smacks it with a spade, again and again! And once more for daring to raise its hopeful head...)
497 Posted 23/10/2017 at 20:21:45
498 Posted 23/10/2017 at 20:24:18
499 Posted 23/10/2017 at 20:24:54
500 Posted 23/10/2017 at 20:27:25
That two thirds of squad by the way cost us an insane amount of money.
Having selected the wrong man last time to rebuild the squad, and allowing him to make it worse at enormous expense, I have little faith in the board getting the right man this time.
It's a complete mess. Worst, it was obvious to myself and others that Rotten Ronny was the wrong man from day one. What a waste of time and effort these shitehawks running our club are. And what a sad bunch we are for having to watch them.
502 Posted 23/10/2017 at 20:28:11
503 Posted 23/10/2017 at 20:29:22
(providing he can get through customs)
505 Posted 23/10/2017 at 20:33:58
In their place you have bought two central defenders with the worst record in twelve competitive games I can remember. A lazy and already failed midfielder (at Spurs) a useless centre forward in Sandro Ramirez and Morgan Shniederlin!!!!!
I don't think you can have any complaints about getting the push.
Mr. Moshiri and Bill, please listen to your fan base before spunking any more dosh on a manager that doesn't get Everton and it's fabulous history.
506 Posted 23/10/2017 at 20:33:59
1. what sort of footy does the owner want to see? Expressive, attacking stuff (Guardiola school of coach) or safe, tight and grinding out results
( Simeone school)?
2. does he want a manager/coach of the type who will make the best of the players or a manager/coach that has a fixed style who will be looking at spending big sums in January
Identifying those things should whittle the shortlist down.
My preference would be for the club to identify a house style - e.g pressing, playing with width and fast counters and a mobile CF-that will allow the Director of footy to buy that sort of player for the future and then find a manager who produces that sort of footy.
Pelligrini for me with Unsworth as asst manager
507 Posted 23/10/2017 at 20:37:49
508 Posted 23/10/2017 at 20:38:15
Problem is, he's probably earning a small (Hebei China) fortune over there...
509 Posted 23/10/2017 at 20:38:19
510 Posted 23/10/2017 at 20:39:37
Ok, (as Ronald used to say) , we will get a striker in January, but he'll need 2-3 months to fire. We've lost this season completely, perhaps best about 10th. Then the same issue about attracting quality players, with no European football, no chance of even getting close to Top 6 for a season or so. No chance of attracting a real top manager, who will want CL football we can't give him.
Losing Lukaku will cost this club about 2-3 years hardship at least, players like him are gold dust and we've lost our main chance of getting into any Top 4-6 places.
Question is how long will Moshiri give it, Bramley Dock, watch it go on the back-burner.
511 Posted 23/10/2017 at 20:42:19
513 Posted 23/10/2017 at 20:45:33
514 Posted 23/10/2017 at 20:48:18
Any at all that will stabilize us between 7th and 17th places for a few seasons whilst the club "Grows" in value.
515 Posted 23/10/2017 at 20:55:15
516 Posted 23/10/2017 at 20:55:15
517 Posted 23/10/2017 at 20:55:36
518 Posted 23/10/2017 at 20:56:47
519 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:04:16
"We need someone to take us to the next level" - do you mean 4th from bottom and out of the relegation spots?
"we have some really good players" - erm no we don't - we have one or two (Pickford, Coleman and ), the rest are very average and the table shows that.
"he didn't have a clue but the next manager will have the same problems" - bang on. This group just isn't good enough and we can't do anything about it until at least January, but more likely the summer as why would teams let their best players go in the middle if the season?
Although Koeman is culpable, in no way should he be viewed as alone in this. There are lots of fingerprints on this - coaching staff, all the players, the board (they signed the cheques), even us fans (the atmosphere has been awful both home and away for ages). Essentially I take no pleasure in the dismissal of a manager because it simply means that collectively we've failed.
Bottom line is that there'll be no quick fix so let's not get ahead of ourselves and instead steel ourselves for a long, hard slog.
520 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:05:25
521 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:11:06
522 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:11:25
Im in the Unsworth camp. Think about it - we have Holgate, Kenny, Davies, Lookman, Calvert-Lewin, Dowell (whos impressing for Forest) all who have worked with Unsworth and will probably run through brick walls for him.
Theyre our future so get a manager in who they trust and respect and who has already instilled a winning mentality into them all.
You never know - Barkley might just sign again as well!!!!
523 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:13:04
Obvious task number one, but well beyond him, was to act professionally without talking crap in public and upsetting things. He was a clown and whatever else was working in the club was always going to be compromised by him.
524 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:15:05
You missed the admin staff, cleaners, programme sellers, staff in the Winslow.
525 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:15:18
526 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:15:25
Regarding next manager and the immediate future - I do agree that it might not be a quick fix getting performances and results out of a team bereft of confidence and depth in certain positions. But we have treated one of the core issues in RK so hopefully we can reverse the damage, given time.
I'm not clamouring for Allardyce necessarily (though bottom 3 still by January and I will!), but I do believe he is a better football manager than some of you guys give him credit for. His record at getting under-performing teams organised and hard to beat can't be questioned. And I think at Newcastle and West Ham he probably couldn't get them where he wanted because right from the get-go a significant number of fans were against him and his style. Just my opinion.
For the other candidates I also feel Moyes would be a big step backward. I'm not sure about Mancini - his Man City weren't always that great even though he had massive resources. And Pellegrini to a lesser extent. We've usually had decent results against Man City haven't we? Dyche could be decent, never know until he makes the step up in terms of a club with higher expectations.
Unsy (with Joe Royle maybe?) to Xmas and see how we go. Rest of the season if results are improved. Unsy can always move back to U23 coach if we then go for someone permanent, don't let him be a Craig Shakespeare!
And make sure the next permanent boss has performance-related clauses in the contract. Like poor form/results over a defined period means a vastly reduced compensation payout!! We've been burned by Bobby & Ron so if it's possible to implement it, we should.
527 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:15:32
528 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:16:32
529 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:19:50
530 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:20:04
I voiced my opinion after Moyes and Martinez. My personal choice/favourite was not selected but at the time I was happy with who the board appointed. After all, the decision lies with them and all we can do as fans is speculate and debate our personal choices. The board knows who and what they are looking for and what direction they want to take the club so let's just hope they make a wise decision.
But I just want to suggest a name which possibly has not been mentioned and this is a bit tongue in cheek and I would be interested to see what reaction fellow Evertonians think as this person certainly has his lovers and haters amongst us Evertonians. It is not Rafa but a current playing Blue Boy!
I suspect the board shall look for a big name ( as much as I would like to see Rhino get the job, I feel he shall just have a caretaker role) So I wonder if they would CONSIDER Rooney as player/manager!
FM and BK ( plus the board) re-signed him as a player and although we can all see he is not the same Rooney as before I wonder if he has even considered management when his playing days are over which is not too far away.
We brought him back as an "emotional signing" well as of today the goal-posts have changed ( with Koeman gone). The board must see some value
( not just to sell shirts) in having him back so he cannot be a complete liability.
Finally, for those who are still reading and not still rolling on the floor in fits of laughter remember a certain Howard Kendall was re-signed as a player/manager and he did not do too bad plus look across the park and they did the same with Dalglish. I understand totally different times and football has moved on. In fact, I cannot remember the last any top club appointed a player/manager.
As I have previously said, this is just tongue in cheek and please do not take it too seriously! Let's leave that to the board.
531 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:23:15
He's doing such a great job with the youth team that to take him away could be counter-productive. I would hate to see him fail and therefore lose him from the club set-up entirely.
Let's make him caretaker manager on an on-going basis with the security of knowing that he can go back into the under-23 set-up if things don't go to plan.
One thing is for sure, he's able to bring through young players with fire in their belly who play with a natural confidence. And we certainly need a coach rather than a hands-off type of manager.
532 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:23:30
excitedly discussing the prospect of us appointing someone really special as the new manager. Of course it never actually comes to pass
but that means we can have the fun all over again in 18 months time.
On a different topic I understand there may be some news on the new stadium this week.
533 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:24:22
There needs to be a full post mortem on the workings at the club. Who was responsible for the club's transfer policy - selling and buying players and identifying and assessing transfer targets? Most of the signings have terrible.
Martinez was criticised for wasting £13 million on Niasse, so who's to blame for wasting up to £154 million on the likes of Stelkenburg, Williams, Schneiderlin, Keane, Martina, Klassen, Sigurdsson, Rooney, Lookman and Ramirez? They can't have been all Koeman's targets? Equally, who agreed and authorised the sale of Stones, Lukaku, Cleverley, Deulofeu and Barry without having adequate replacements brought in? Surely, Walsh, Kenwright and Elston are equally culpable and should go too?
534 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:28:39
536 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:37:46
537 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:38:21
538 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:40:03
Where people are getting notions of a "tenth placed" finish or thereabouts to the season is beyond me. Is seeing not believing? The evidence so far is clear for all to see. If this current team manages mid table then they will be very lucky. There is as yet no evidence of inventiveness, speed, basic shooting ability to score goals that actually win matches. The defensive capabilities, with the exception of the keeper, are beyond belief in being unable to prevent conceding. A team with no pace in essential areas and no cohesion to do the basics such as passing and movement with purpose. At present they possess all the ingredients for a team to be battling relegation. It is a complete and utter shambles for which heads must role far and beyond Mr K.
Of course, it is early days in the season with a long way to go but so is a marathon and this team shows no signs as yet or being responsive enough to address the threat.
And could we please have a moratorium on references to such as "Big Dunc" when looking at those who should be given further responsibilities without those advocates giving some evidence as to how he (and others of course) have some questions to answer as to their role in this shambles for which they are paid obscene amounts of money?
Playing the game of naming the next manager is perhaps an engaging and understandable activity but again, much as we love our Everton, and have been traumatised somewhat by the current situation we must keep our eyes on reality. We are not one of the great clubs of the English game at present, nor have we been for many years and I have supported this club since being with my dad and brothers at Oldham when we secured promotion to the old first division where we have been ever since. And that I hasten to add is the sole priority in the immediate and shorter term for this season - to ensure that we stay there. How the board assess this and who they appoint to oversee that is up to them but as for us supporters I feel it is batten down the hatches, keep that objective as the priority and hopefully with a new team management team in place to be still able to aspire to a place at the top table because we are still in the room.
539 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:43:55
540 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:44:04
These people are just flavour of the month. None of us really know what any of them are like as coaches. More likely than not to come in and fail just as the last two have done. Might as well just give it to Unsworth, at least he understands the fans and will get them organised (incidentally, that's also what I said 16/17months ago).
Can't be done with these flavour of the month types, they're too stubborn with their style of play, and once they get found out everyone knows how to play against them. It's just too easy. Just need someone who can get them organised. Solid foundations (i.e. not 1-0 down after ten minutes every week with an uphill battle to climb), hard to beat at home.
541 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:44:24
542 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:45:48
543 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:46:24
544 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:50:09
Other contributors have grasped this - I had stated that Koeman was culpable - but just not alone.
The point is that there is a deep malaise at the club that extends way beyond just Koeman and therefore if anyone thinks swapping him out for A N OTHER will solve the problem, then they're deluded and just setting themselves up for more disappointment. We could get the best manager in the world but unless they have the right tools (players, coaches and recruitment) and support then they'll struggle.
Plenty has to change for us to be successful - not just the manager. Good players (and for that good recruiters and recruitment is necessary) would be a fine start - but that isn't going to happen quickly. As I said, we need to accept we're in this for the long haul. And that might just undermine attempts to recruit that top class manager.
545 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:50:30
546 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:58:39
Fits us, what does that mean exactly? Look how many diferent suggestions have been made.
First priority is to get us up the table, I'm not bothered how its done, just win games.
Unless we have top 6 quality players though there's no manager that's going to make us a super team, yes some managers are better than others but its the players that have to perform on the pitch to get the results.
Talking about fits, I don't think Koeman fits any club on the planet!
547 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:59:09
548 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:59:30
549 Posted 23/10/2017 at 21:59:47
Firstly, anyone of those top names we can think of will demand full control of football matters, and that probably means Walsh will have to adapt or ship out. The manager is unlikely to want interference from BK or perhaps demand more direct support from Moshiri, which can only mean that BK and his gang will no longer as much say in it.
While this is definitely difficult to imagine at the moment, I cannot imagine Moshiri wanting to deal with football matters much more than he does now. Hire a good one and let the system sort itself out. And that makes me think he will try to go for top names who can reshape the system we have. Whether he gets them or not will depend on his desire to make us a winning side.
I remain optimistic about Moshiri, though regardless of who we get, changies at the top and on the field will take time and put us through a lot of pain.
550 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:00:36
Unsy can only show whether he can do the job if he is given the chance. Give him a go and see if we really do have one of the best coaches in the country.
I can't quite follow either the people saying Ferguson must follow Ron out of the door. None of us to my knowledge truly know how good or bad he is as a coach and for sure he has had to tow the party line and not say or do anything to undermine his boss. If he has been poor then the club will no doubt usher him out but to assume that is the case is somewhat unfair. Likewise Walsh- ok we didn't get a striker but the squad is far better than the performances suggest and Walsh didn't take charge of training, he didn't pick the team and he didn't dictate the tactics/ formation/ pattern of play.
Let's be fair!
551 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:01:15
Onwards and upwards. Gonna watch the Debate now on Sky. See what they think
552 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:06:21
"There are lots of fingerprints on this - coaching staff, all the players, the board (they signed the cheques), even us fans."
All coaching staff? All players? All board members? That's some guesswork or some inside knowledge. I see your point but just over-stated maybe?
553 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:06:31
The statement from the club read “the board and the major shareholder...” which is not great. Mori soho has become the money man and Kenwright is still running the club. Nothing will change whilst thats the case.
I wonder if well see some other changes in the not too distant future - may be at board level?
554 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:08:01
555 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:08:11
556 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:09:45
557 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:12:18
In my eyes he has a very peculiar running style and a physiology generally that doesnt seem capable of the movements necessary for a quality centre half. He cant stop and turn right and left swiftly and his passing is simply appalling.( For those of a certain age) when I see him scoop every pass with the ball right under him I think of the football model “Striker” from the 70s.
559 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:15:36
561 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:23:35
BUT .it's actually a scary thread to read this and no mistake. Because now it's actually happened we are taking stock of the mess and realising just how bad things are. The squad is not going to be improved until January and then frankly I don't see the highest quality striker or strikers arriving. But we can improve on what we have now. Similarly the defence is a terrible mess. Pickford bring the exception. But how in January do we replace Williams and Jags and cover Mori's long term absence? Keane needs help, urgently, he's really not looking the answer right now but who else is there ?
I can't quite believe that we have gone from June and the excitement felt then, to now. It's not just the team either. New stadium ? Can't see that being as positive as planned as frankly nobody saw us as relegation fighters? Financially we still need those loaning the dosh to see us as a good risk and the LA's previous bullish guarantor stance must be taking a huge hit right now as the risk looks a lot less comfortable all of a sudden ? Cue a delay signing build contracts until end of May next year when the future looks clearer ?
No idea who they will appoint. I don't think Moshiri knows. His man has crashed and burnt and pride will have taken a massive knock. But yet again the club has gone backwards. I don't understand the calls to sack Walsh even tho he is in my view st least 30% to blame for this mess. But if they go for a less proven manager then Walsh and his network will be crucial in getting people to sign for this club. Plus, we are going to take a big hit financially as all thought of Moshiri ploughing in a hundred million net has disappeared for me following the summer window. So, there will be need to be some loss making sales and smaller, clever investment by Walsh. He looks like he's getting a last chance to me and 30 days in January is it.
Meanwhile one of my all time fave blues, Rhino, plus the under stated but I think clever coach that is Ebbrell, are going to be trusted to get us thru a few games, possibly more, and it could just be a relegation saver because if we keep losing then we will be going under by Christmas and the return of Coleman, Bolasie and who knows, Ross B, plus new signings will face a nightmare to recover. Yet this league is so competitive with so few points needed to make a difference, who knows, edge a few wins, be solid, have the fans doing a dogs of war thing .
562 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:23:38
563 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:23:39
564 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:26:15
565 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:29:54
Whichever way you look at it, there's far more wrong than just the manager.
If we get that top class manager (and I'm struggling to see why one would take us on in our present state) and we're suddenly knocking on the door of the top four, then I'll be delighted and happy to come on here and gladly say I'm wrong. It's just somehow, very regretably, I don't think I will be any time soon.
566 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:30:18
The RS manage to score a few goals without an orthodox striker and if Ron had got the rest of the team right we certainly wouldn't be 3rd from bottom even without a replacement for Lukaku.
567 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:30:50
568 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:30:53
RK: Ah, so you've seen sense and changed your mind
BK: Not at all Ron, you left your fucking red xmas tree behind and we'd be ever so grateful if you could call in to collect it.
569 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:31:22
Chapter 1 will be Chapter 1, however Chapter 2 will be Chapter 7, with Chapters 3,4 and 5 being Chapters 7,8 and 11. There will be no Chapter 9 but this will be become Chapter 10, 10 and another Chapter 10. There will be no introduction as he was on hols when this was required at the printers. Chapter 6 was left on the golf course as the information was too muddled for mere mortals to understand. The Chapters 12 to 14, will concern Walsh, BK and Why it was none of my fault. His next Book - Barca The Great Years has been put back, with no publishing date available at this time.
Really though I can't wait for the book.
570 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:34:24
The absolute and only priority we should have is to try, really try to stabilise the team, drag ourselves out the bottom 3 and not get involved in a dogfight at the bottom.
We can get a fancy dan foreign manager at the end of the season.
I don't care who we employ short term as long as they can get these lazy overpaid arseholes to give 100%, get a system to play that suits them and get us safe.
571 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:34:24
572 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:35:52
First, instill some semblance of belief and desire back into this mentally shattered squad. That alone will be a massive undertaking. I think Unsworth is equipped to do this as he will concentrate on the basics in order to stabilize things on the pitch (i.e., identity, formation, structure, expectations, etc.). He already has the familiarity, respect, commitment and trust of the younger lads. He needs to use them as the basis to right the ship. Sit the underperformers (of which there are many to choose from) until they get their head on straight. If they can't or refuse to do so, plant them in the stands. We are at point now where only warriors willing to work their bollocks off will pull us out of this mess.
With luck (and Board commitment), we will find that striker we desperately need in January. Bolasie and Coleman will be back in the squad by that point. They won't be fully fit mind you but even at 75% fitness they will be miles better than what we have now in their respective positions. Coleman's competitiveness and leadership alone is worth it's weight in gold.
Who knows what will happen with Ross. He seems determined to leave but if there is a possibility to mend that fence, the club needs to do whatever it can and try. He's not perfect and yes he's ticked off many of the faithful with some of his antics but it's clear he and Koeman fell out and this has contributed to the uncertainty around his future. Bottomline, the lad possesses several of the qualities we are in desperate need of. A clean slate with a new gaffer might be what is needed to salvage the situation.
As important as last summer was supposed to be, next summer even more so. We cannot screw that up (again). We are rapidly aging and ill-equipped in key positions and these deficiencies MUST be addressed before the start of next season. That means Walsh (or whomever in charge of player transfers) need to pull their finger out and get on it now.
573 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:39:46
574 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:42:02
575 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:42:14
" I stand by my belief that collectively this squad isn't good enough (too slow, too old, lack of mobility, no determination, no killer instinct etc) to deliver the performances we crave".
If so, then we have a lot to do in the next few transfer windows. I'm a bit more optimistic about the squad. But, hey, who knows, we'll see.
"I read today that 4 out of our 5 defenders that started yesterday didn't make a single successful tackle in 90 minutes".
Wow, that's astounding if true.
576 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:42:40
577 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:43:19
I also think I read somewhere that Rooney is going to take his coaching courses in order to obtain these badges, but doesn't have them yet.
I believe, therefore, that would preclude him from being appointed as player manager, at this stage.
579 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:46:10
Koeman - dour, unadventurous, boring. (Moyes pretty much the same)
Martinez/Klopp - entertaining but lack substance, both clowns.
Mourinho - Schizophrenic!
Kendall/Pochetino - solid, with that touch of class.
Dyche - solid, but lacking the touch of class, so far.
Guardiola - All style, but does he have the stomach for a fight.
Clough/Ferguson/Shankly - Annoyingly effective winners.
Marco Silva - Maverick.
So what do we want/need? Immediately, I think we need solid.
Longer term, I want that touch of class that Howard Kendall added to his solid foundation. The eye to spot Trevor Steven and Kevin Sheedy, whilst adding Peter Reid and Andy Gray to provide experience to his youthfully talented team. (Unfortunately, I believe Pochetino is the nearest to a modern Kendall, so that ship has sailed)
I really don't know who is the best longer term option. We've tried an entertainer who lacks substance after years of dour Davey, but we reverted back to type with Koeman. We need to find a manager who gives us that balance between solidity and entertainment, and unfortunately, I think the nearest to that, that may be available, is Benitez.
580 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:47:05
All day I have been swearing watching Sanchez cross it to Ozil for their 2nd goal. Our defenders were just standing there waiting for him to cross it.
The basics have gone out of the window.
582 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:53:06
583 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:53:08
I understand whenever an American posts, probably about 50% to 60% roll their eyes and think, "what the fuck does the Yank know?"
Regarding Jurgen Klinsmann, I know quite a bit.
If he is even interviewed the Club will be tainted.
He is the single worst manger I've ever witnessed in my "soccer" life. He continually chops and changes, there's no cohesion, and he is an absolute moron when it comes to any tactical aspect of the game.
He can come nowhere near this Club. He would preside over a relegated Everton I guarantee.
I would not even give the man a chance. From day one I'd call for his removal.
You people think David Moyes is bad? You haven't see a fucking thing until you watch a team you love managed by Klinsmann.
Dear God, no. Just no.
584 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:53:57
You are one masochist, Tony! Or an optimist - hoping that if you watched it often enough, he would miss.
585 Posted 23/10/2017 at 23:09:46
Stay up, and save this season and get the players expressing themselves and playing naturally. For me square pegs in round holes and random buying has contributed to the total screw up in football terms this season.
This could only happen on this scale to our team. Even Spurs when they sold Bale, didn't do £150M, in transfers.
Will or can this board learn?
Now for the mission impossible but perhaps, a win at Chelsea.
Happier but still ready for the funny Farm, such is Everton, and what it does to impact life.
Hope eternal and total madness..
586 Posted 23/10/2017 at 23:10:40
I assume its factually correct it would certainly explain how they cut through us at will.
By the time Rooney scored, we could already have been 3 down!
587 Posted 23/10/2017 at 23:14:57
589 Posted 23/10/2017 at 23:16:26
The players will play for him, he coached 4 youngsters to a World Cup winners medal, 5 if you include Connelly and has already beaten the city and Chelsea under 23s who are stocked with Europes finest.
Just give the guy a go and see how we do instead of jumping in head first, trying to get our new manager in, if it does not work out, personally I think Unsworth will get this team playing, this guy knows what it means to the fans and how to take on the big guns without setting up for a draw.
I honestly think we have a manager with a winning mentality and made up Unsworth has been given a chance.
590 Posted 23/10/2017 at 23:18:05
Getting rid of Koeman was a necessary but insufficient condition for realising the ambition the club is supposed to have in this 'new era' with Moshiri.
591 Posted 23/10/2017 at 23:30:53
Whatever the past, he is good at his job, he is a communicator and it would piss off a lot of our Red chums.
592 Posted 23/10/2017 at 23:31:14
593 Posted 23/10/2017 at 23:32:17
594 Posted 23/10/2017 at 23:33:52
595 Posted 23/10/2017 at 23:37:12
596 Posted 23/10/2017 at 23:37:55
597 Posted 23/10/2017 at 23:38:35
598 Posted 23/10/2017 at 23:39:27
The scary thing is that it may continue the same way at least until January as they only have the same personnel to rely on.
So the 4 Dutch amigos have gone and we can only hope that the interim personnel and subsequent permanent boss will be able to bring in a system that restores confidence throughout the squad and soon.
599 Posted 23/10/2017 at 23:41:31
A mass clearout is needed, both of the support staff and the playing staff, I have just read an article in the Echo which highlights we have enough players to have had a totally different team out last weekend and had spare players on top. the trouble is, I guess, that if we sell some of the players that have recently been added, we will recover nowhere like the money paid out, if the players will go, as they are likely as not , all on very well rewarded contracts. A mess.
600 Posted 23/10/2017 at 23:44:52
601 Posted 23/10/2017 at 23:49:38
Someone above said he was BK's snitch in the dressing room. Would he have a proper role with Unsworth, should he get the temporary job? So far it is hard to fathom what input he has.
602 Posted 23/10/2017 at 23:53:09
603 Posted 23/10/2017 at 23:59:19
604 Posted 24/10/2017 at 00:12:34
In light of the predicament we are in; more or less out of the Europa League, probably ignoring the League Cup and in the drop zone with a team which has arguably put in the worst performances of any team in the PL it is imperative we steady the ship and get some basics back on board like passion and organisation.
I think it's the right time for Unsworth to step in for the short term because he knows his way round the players and the club and it would be an opportunity to at least give him until January, with an eye on Dyche to come in at a later date. Imagine him with more funds than at Burnley and (on paper at least) better players at his disposal combined with his PL experience.
Unless I'm terribly mistaken I would think Everton are in advanced talks with those who make up the options (surely we wouldn't simply sack and then start looking) so whoever will come in will also have the next transfer window to add to what we already have - remember what Moshiri said, transfer funds for him are like 'monopoly money'. Cash won't be an issue.
I think this could all be a blessing in disguise and I feel strangely optimistic and excited by it because the Koeman thing wore off very quickly. It's time for that passion, desire, belief to be instilled in the players and for that to be made visible on the pitch - an extension of the manager's true and authentic ethos so to speak and that is only possible with a manager who buys into the Everton spirit and who transmits simple, clear and easy to understand messages to his players because let's be honest and frank about it, losing is one thing but absolutely no idea, fight and passion is simply unacceptable.
The dress rehearsal has failed miserably so now the time has come for some serious business before it's too late and we all look back at yet another Everton false dawn and what could have been...
We as Evertonians get it, it's time those at the helm and the players did as well - NSNO!
605 Posted 24/10/2017 at 00:23:04
606 Posted 24/10/2017 at 00:25:52
So, in hope and belief, soon a new regime at coach level will start. Whom it will be,thats the question?
“Whats Our Name? “ and on the ale, yes!” It cant get any worse. Skal!
607 Posted 24/10/2017 at 01:19:13
608 Posted 24/10/2017 at 02:38:10
Only Don Revie could in all history be worse. Possibly Sourness... Possibly Hitler.
609 Posted 24/10/2017 at 02:47:08
I've championed him on here for years. But he's older now. He's lost his energy and spark. He's having a tough time at Lille.
But he won't come. One he doesn't speak English and there's no time to learn it. Two, he never breaks a contract. Don't give me Lazio, as he argues they broke it and so he had to resign. Unlike Ronnie, he resigned when the board didn't sign the particular players he asked for.
Silva how's he a maverick? I see him as a young Pochettino. My preferred choice, but I'd rather have given him a season at Watford to prove he can sustain this.
Julian Nagelsmann I'd never considered him, but just seen him in the frame for the Leicester job. I thought he was taking over Bayern at the end of the season. If he'd go to Leicester, then he'd come to us. And if so, it's no contest. Get the hottest managerial property in world football. Could be another AVB though.
Tuchel a bit too Maverick, and didn't end well at Dortmund. I think he'd come for sure.
Dyche really didn't want him. Read a bit more about him, watched a few of his press conferences, he has a lot more humour than I thought and he impressed me a lot in that. I'd be interested to see what happens, but still well down my list.
Ancelotti would be amazing if he really does want the job, but looks to have lost his fire, doesn't coach so would need to bring someone like Clement in. Not for me really. He's got one eye on Milan and is on holiday for a year to wait for it.
Mancini - no thanks. Overrated in my Opinion. Record is boosted by endless pots of cash.
Moyes - yesterday's man. The ginger one is grey now. And like his hair, he's lost his fire.
Fonseca went to Russia after failing and has rebuilt well. He wants the job. He knows who we are. So could be a positive. Still a gamble.
Pellegrini Old, unwanted, but was a fine manager a few years back. His ship has sailed.
Howe - might be sacked, yet considered for us? How's that work?
Allardyce already made it clear I despise him.
Benitez I think he's s top manager. I really do. But he's always going to be associated with them. Maybe I can see past that, but first sign of trouble and that's all that we will say about him. He wouldn't last long as a result. That small club jibe still hurts.
If I was in charge I'd approach Fonseca, Silva, Nagelsmann, Tuchel and Ancelotti and see what they say. Meantime, Give Unsworth a chance to stake a claim. If one of those guys want the job, great, get them in. But if not wait some more, if Unsworth isn't doing well, then speak to Dyche.
I'd be speaking to the new manager in the interview about how we can change things With the present squad. No promises of cash, and wait to hear how he can use the squad and youth to build a Champions League side in a couple of seasons, or hear from one of the younger guys how they'd do it slowly over 5 years or so. I'd also ask them why Everton should appoint them, by referencing Kendall and Catterick and test their knowledge of the club. A really interested manager would have done some homework. If they didn't they're not going to get us.
Let's hope the board get it right.
610 Posted 24/10/2017 at 03:17:37
I am looking forward to seeing Rhino do the stuff, whether short, medium or long term. I have posted in another report my guess of his team . . . . For the first time in months I don't feel depressed.
A big vote of support and respect to Moshiri. It can't have been easy acknowledging if only by actions, what a mistake he made by appointing Konman in the first place, but hey mistakes are made; its how you deal with them and what you learn from them that counts, and he has been very professional throughout the sad business.
611 Posted 24/10/2017 at 03:27:19
612 Posted 24/10/2017 at 03:52:31
Your implication that I am somehow less able than other posters to grasp your point, neither adds to it nor makes me any more likely to agree with it.
I think it's been well discussed that things might not be as they ideally should be behind the scenes. These for now are points of speculation and hearsay.
Meanwhile out in the factual open, sits a comprehensive record of Koeman's work and its undeniable effects, whatever his playing staff, many known to be his own targets, or whichever players he didn't get. This resulted in his dismissal.
He was the main man responsible for the performance of the team; the Manager. It's impossible to accurately judge the part of coaching staff and players when set against the backdrop of the hard-headed, arrogant, and ultimately incapable manager that Koeman proved himself. He found it ever easier to place blame as time progressed and had he remained, maybe that coaching staff could've had their turn, too.
His fingerprints resulted in his conviction.
613 Posted 24/10/2017 at 04:24:08
Lost it for me after being continually caught on film eating his bogies*... and various public acts of body aroma sampling.
*for Jamie Crowley and others Stateside - "Boogers".
614 Posted 24/10/2017 at 05:16:51
Here in OZ I have been catching up on the news and ToffeeWeb posts. You will have roused yourselves by now in the UK and I am looking forward to seeing Toffee Web go into overdrive as - I see a light!
615 Posted 24/10/2017 at 05:44:16
616 Posted 24/10/2017 at 06:49:28
617 Posted 24/10/2017 at 07:01:36
618 Posted 24/10/2017 at 07:17:46
619 Posted 24/10/2017 at 07:33:04
620 Posted 24/10/2017 at 07:40:23
The old chinese proverb springs to mind here...
621 Posted 24/10/2017 at 07:43:55
622 Posted 24/10/2017 at 07:50:49
623 Posted 24/10/2017 at 07:59:11
624 Posted 24/10/2017 at 08:23:37
625 Posted 24/10/2017 at 08:32:04
Ideally Rhino can steady the ship and get us producing short term so we do not rush into this, and do the thorough background work on any potential target which was evidently not the case with RK.
Aside from how he seemed to be doing with Soton, I believe we rushed into that partly because he was being connected with Arsenal in order to nip in front and beat them to 'the prize'.
Certainly dodged one there, didn't they, the Arse.
626 Posted 24/10/2017 at 08:32:23
we also have Rooney sigurdson Williams miralis Williams naisse sniederlin jags mo etc we have a good squad just needs coaching that would be tomorrows team
627 Posted 24/10/2017 at 08:43:41
I suggested Diego Simone to some of my colleagues and they just laughed at the idea asking why Simone would join Everton. I think that is the issue, nobody takes us seriously or see Everton as having any ambition these days.
If we can pay Koeman a ridiculous amount of money then i'm sure we could do the same to attract the top coaches around the world. I'm fed up of our Club being linked with dross. It's time to go big or go home imo.
628 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:04:56
If the team follow suit, that would be wonderful.
Cant wait to get to Stamford Bridge tomorrow night now to see if we play like a team thats had a weight lifted off its shoUlcers.
Fully expect to see a vibrant, energetic, cohesive, competitive performance for the first time this season.
And can we stil resurrect our Europa League hopes in Lyon next week?
Of course we can!
The season starts now.
629 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:17:52
Ross wouldn't sign a contract extension because of Koeman, we are told.
Be interesting to see if he signs now...
630 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:24:35
631 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:28:22
632 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:33:38
633 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:36:20
Above all else we need a manager for this season who is skilled in the situation we find ourselves.
I don't want a foreign manager who has no experience of the Premier League, its asking for more trouble.
The squad is good enough to climb the table, especially when we get the injured players back and perhaps get Barkley on board.
We need someone experienced that can sort out the mess we are in.
If it was my money that was at risk, Allardyce would be my safe option if he would come.
Other than him, give David the job short term and see how he shapes up. If he does well give him a longer term contract. Risky I know but could be worth the gamble.
Apart from them I think there's issues with most of the others that rules them out but that's only my opinion.
634 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:46:05
635 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:53:37
636 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:57:08
637 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:59:45
638 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:05:36
639 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:07:04
I know we're not a Man U, players coming in wise, but a case in point was our own Davey Moyes having done so 'solidly' for so long, with little funds, with us then failing so dismally at United with a few 'superstars' to manage!!
Significantly raised expectations also become key in such appointments, and lets not knock ourselves, we are still Everton and just cause the last few guys couldn't hack getting us to where we want to be, we should still be looking for a manager with enough ambition, nous, and genuine drive to kick-start this team and club!!!
640 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:09:41
641 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:47:50
He is doing a decent job there on a shoestring .
Passionate and will go on to bigger and better things.
Id rather have him than Sean Dyche any day , The table is false at the moment and it favours him. Hes managed 8 goals in nine games so far , so why we would want him? it makes no sense at all.
642 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:59:29
And hes contributed in buying bang average players.
Hopefully, we go for another big name manager wise but analyse his character this time. Its pointless going from wanting the big name to a steady Eddie type.
643 Posted 24/10/2017 at 11:15:07
So I'm not on my own.
644 Posted 24/10/2017 at 11:34:39
645 Posted 24/10/2017 at 11:38:34
It's funny to read all the professional journo's now basically regurgitating the exact same flaws that 90% of posters on here identified weeks, if not months ago. You have to wonder if some ex-pro's actually watch our games when they call for managers to be given more time. Our first league game this season against Stoke, was anti-football, and possibly the worst game I'd witnessed for a good few years. It never really got any better from there.
Sorry, Ron, when you are paid £6m a year, you can have no complaints when you get the tap on your shoulder once we found ourselves in the relegation zone. Good riddance.
646 Posted 24/10/2017 at 11:49:12
647 Posted 24/10/2017 at 11:56:46
Votes of confidence are usually issued with the sound of alarm bells ringing in the background.
However, the selection of the next manager is a difficult choice, made even more challenging by the inept spending spree over the summer.
–No first-timers should be entertained (Giggs/Neville).
–This is a job for someone with PL experience as, first and foremost, it is a salvage operation with the need to then kick-on to bigger and better things.
– Strong communication skills and charisma would also be a plus point, given that both appear to have been an issue with RK.
–Financial benefits aside, this is also a job for someone with massive self-confidence and balls of steel because, if they don't succeed within about 18 months (Moshiri's approximate timeline for improvement), they will be fired.
That narrows the field down somewhat but I am not going to add to the carnival of names thrown into the hat.
You never know but an interim like David Unsworth may be around longer than expected.
Let's hope he can do it. I wish him the best of luck!
648 Posted 24/10/2017 at 12:02:47
Good enough for England but not good enough for us!
Give him an 18 month contract, I'm not talking him up for the long term.
I don't actually think the owners will choose him, they probably know his appointment wouldn't be that well received.
Shame because short term he's just what we need
649 Posted 24/10/2017 at 12:06:17
I like the idea of Thomas Tuchel but most of all, l would love it to work for Unsy. He seems to have really worked hard to learn his profession as a coach. He would need a good deputy, I think.
650 Posted 24/10/2017 at 12:23:19
He's had almost unadulterated success at u23 level and 1 game as caretaker manager. What does that tell us about his ability to manage us out of a bad situation?
His caretaker team selection got a huge lift from debuting three u23 lads and playing at home on the last game of the season. He won't have those luxuries every week.
Now, he gets simple questions to answer when he meets the press. Will he succumb to the pressure when he's defending his decisions after a loss and will he be able to stay positive during those times?
Plus, he's everyone's favourite uncle as our u23 manager and I would be sad to see that change.
They say you have to be prepared to win. I don't think I am if that risks seeing Unsy fail.
651 Posted 24/10/2017 at 12:24:24
652 Posted 24/10/2017 at 12:28:28
"For me Benitez is the obvious choice... he lives on The Wirral and is a good organiser . We could nick him off the magpies as they are having a takeover and Benitez may either not get the money for players or the new owners may want their own manager.
Whatever the past, he is good at his job, he is a communicator and it would piss off a lot of our Red chums. "
Well, I hope the board do not follow your approach and rationale for selecting a manager.
There are lessons to be learnt from Moyes, Martinez and Koeman.
Moyes - "Knife to Gunfight" and a plethora of other dour, down playing comments which turned us into big game chokers.
Martinez - "I will get you into the Champions League" rapidly became a stream of incoherent babble, culminating in his celebration of reaching two cup semi finals despite the disastrous league showing.
Koeman - where do we start? From the infamous episode where he said Lukaku should move to a big club, to talking up the RS, to trying to down play our ambitions this season.
Benitez has form in deriding Everton's status, and would need to do some major back tracking to convince me he will not be any different to our last 3 managers if the going got tough.
If this board has real ambition, the next guy needs to be prepared to fall on his sword if he cannot deliver top 4.
Enough of this patronizing nonsense from managers who are happy to pick up a fat cheque but not willing to stick their neck on their line to re-assert our status.
Enough of the board getting carried away by the rhetoric (Martinez) or the reputation (Koeman); instead, they must appoint someone with the determination and will to drag the playing side of the club out of the mediocre-is-good-enough-as-they-have-not-won-anything-recently mindset.
653 Posted 24/10/2017 at 12:36:13
654 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:05:05
We are 6pts from 7th in October.
655 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:17:42
656 Posted 24/10/2017 at 14:13:27
Obviously you think they should have scored more goals but how many were you expecting from them after playing City Chelsea and Spurs away. Have you even checked their fixtures because they have been tougher than ours (given both squads) and have scored more goals.
The more I write here the point your making sounds worse mate.
657 Posted 24/10/2017 at 14:34:52
I can't believe I have been reduced to reffering to Rafa fans on TOFFEEWEB. Everytime we speak of change his name sadly comes up.
Now before everyone jumps on the league shout I am not saying the next manager will but I i don't want a man who can't.
658 Posted 24/10/2017 at 14:49:16
Martinez tried it, yes we scored a decent number of goals but only at the expense of stretching our defence to breaking point.
I don't think we are in a position to be too choosy on style, we have to play them in a way they don't like, at least for now.
If we can get top 4 then we will be able to attract the next level of players, that is if our owner/s are willing to find the money to do so!
659 Posted 24/10/2017 at 14:53:44
Moyes was the same, so was Martinez, and to an extent so was Koeman. We need to be aiming higher up the scale in my view.
660 Posted 24/10/2017 at 14:58:55
661 Posted 24/10/2017 at 15:05:03
662 Posted 24/10/2017 at 15:12:54
663 Posted 24/10/2017 at 15:48:00
Plus if Moshiri wanted the big name then he can't get anyone from the Premier League except maybe Silva and Why change your belief to a smaller name?
If Dyche is a good fit, the ambition of this club and fans will never change. I don't tend to use them football friendly phrases without interpreting what a good fit is.
666 Posted 24/10/2017 at 20:52:02
667 Posted 24/10/2017 at 21:12:58
Steve Ferns does make some excellent points at #609 though, I feel.
In my heart I think we'd all most like Unsworth to succeed, hopefully he'll get a chance to impress us further. Whoever gets it ultimately, let's all get behind them and accept there will be mistakes now and then. A good manager will learn from them. Our players need full support, especially while we're hampered in certain positional areas. Let's not lynch the new man too soon. Until it consistently drops to Koeman-esque levels of performance that is!
668 Posted 24/10/2017 at 21:22:52
In my younger and more foolish years I, cretinously, enjoyed his sad, macho posturing. He has earned a living for years. No club with a modicum of ambition would have him near the first team.
669 Posted 25/10/2017 at 09:53:06
670 Posted 25/10/2017 at 10:49:32
671 Posted 25/10/2017 at 11:05:14
I think the switching around of players and tactics means they clearly didn't know what they were supposed to do!
Steady the ship Unsie and play to our strengths and the oppositions weaknesses. Fancy tactics are 3 or 4 years away from this squad. I'm not saying we should shy away from modern tactics, but the squad lack confidence and cognition of higher order playing for the near future. The kids are brilliant and are natural heirs to the title school of science. They just need a steady hand for the near future.
I hope Unsie is that steady influence, the new Cat.
672 Posted 25/10/2017 at 11:20:52
I wonder what your RS friends might think of this option ? 😆
673 Posted 25/10/2017 at 11:43:32
674 Posted 25/10/2017 at 11:47:09
I will not be able to refer him as Rafa Beneathus anymore. One less joke.
By the way, didn't he refer us as small club twice, at Mordor and also at Newcastle?
676 Posted 27/10/2017 at 02:53:24
It was for me the pre-season when I realised we were in trouble. Barely scraping through against lacking Dutch sides and then, when it was announced that Geri Deulofeu was on his way, I lost my excitement about what we could do this season.
If this was Koeman's doing, which I believe it was, then he let one of the best wingers we've had in years go for next to nothing. I at that point was 100% sure we were up the creek! I hope someone had the sense to put a buy-back clause in that contract of sale but that would mean someone at the club would need to have raised their head and asked a sensible question.
The purchases made, who what and why was this so bad? Why take so long to get looking for a striker? Why not get a left-back to cover Baines knowing we've the potential for so many games? I hope some of these younger guys come good.
Surely someone somewhere in the backroom could've grabbed Onion Head and told him whats what... or did they all think he was a bellend and wanted him out? Mirallas actually congratulated Gueye as he came off the other night, so maybe they've just been working hard to get rid of a bad egg!
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