Jamie Carragher describes the challenge facing Sam Allardyce to win over hostile Everton fans who are not impressed with his appointment as manager.
"The fans are divided between those who do not believe he should have been considered and those who will tolerate it in the expectation there is no way the club will get sucked into a relegation battle in the new year. Even they will be hoping the club reviews its options at the end of the season, regardless of how long the contract signed."
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1 Posted 02/12/2017 at 09:43:49
2 Posted 02/12/2017 at 11:34:37
I think the former England manager is an excellent appointment and I would be quite happy for him to receive a contract extension in the event of him getting us into the top 10 this season.
3 Posted 02/12/2017 at 11:36:38
4 Posted 02/12/2017 at 11:44:13
Obviously in the back of their minds Sam is more of a threat to them. With the derby only a week away, he definitely won't be taking a knife to a gunfight
5 Posted 02/12/2017 at 11:50:05
6 Posted 02/12/2017 at 12:01:11
It amazes me that the number of anti-Allardyce posters have used the excuse that he shouldn't be at our Club because of his past and that we are, apparently, a Club that has high morals and principles. It's a pity these same posters don't show the same morals and principles and give him a chance.
Any decision made regarding Allardyce in the future should be based purely on what he does from now until that decision on football terms.
It may shame some that we have employed Allardyce but it shames me that some Evertonians are behaving as they are.
7 Posted 02/12/2017 at 12:13:14
Some posters saying we should give him a chance, and although I passionately didn't want him here, I will give him every chance to prove that he can play entertaining and winning football. He also says the best bit of advice he was given was make sure your first signing sets the standard, as if he doesn't, the fans and the board will lose faith in him very quickly. Well, role on January and we will see who his first signing is and that will tell us what style he is going to play.
8 Posted 02/12/2017 at 12:28:02
They are getting worried now – poses a threat to them.
Don't buy into the "divide and conquer". Pick a side – like another ex-Red, Sammy Lee. His action in pulling out of their "Legends" night tells me how highly that man rates Big Sam and what he thinks he is capable of.
9 Posted 02/12/2017 at 12:39:30
10 Posted 02/12/2017 at 12:45:00
11 Posted 02/12/2017 at 13:00:20
Many posters tolerating his appointment believe the moral dilemma is one to push to the side as ‘football' is no paragon of virtue either.
But why on earth should a supporter tolerate any appointment? How long does he have before that tolerance, bordering on passive aggression boils over?
An appointment in the circumstances we find ourselves in, should galvanise the support, hearten and align us. It has done nothing of the sort.
It's created many who feel we deserve what we get, we have to take our medicine, oh well no-one else wanted to come? Basically, the failure of the hierarchy to plan and poach a manager leaves us with a man who has spent most of his career in the bottom half of the league.
His peak with Bolton was years ago, what makes anyone think his tenure will be any different with us?
Short-termism rarely gives way to long term gain, because there is always a heavy price to pay up front.
I make no apologies for being forthright about Allardyce, his record and manner suggest he will ignore the youth players, disregard the FA Cup and play a style which I dislike. All valid concerns.
Cooperation & collaboration are modern values he won't entertain, because the players have more power nowadays. A clear dictator of his dogma, convert or leave.
He made all the right noises in his presser but ultimately his ego will dictate things will be done his way; the last manager was exactly the same.. That worked out well.
12 Posted 02/12/2017 at 13:00:58
But I get the gist.
While I might debate, argue and temporarily fall out with fellow Blues from time to time, I closed my mind to the RS years ago.
When we laugh at the RS occasionally, we get the retort of why are we so interested in them?
Well, by the same token
I hope Sam Allardyce rams it down their whining, arrogant throats. That will certainly unite the Blue half.
One Blue is worth a thousand RS.
13 Posted 02/12/2017 at 13:13:47
I'm not bothered too much about his personality, that will not get Everton points or lose them any either.
I would ask him to cut down on the chewing gum though, the dug out is right in front of the family enclosure where a lot of young kids sit, not a pretty site when Sam is chewing half a pound of chewy, might frighten the kids away.
14 Posted 02/12/2017 at 13:14:08
16 Posted 02/12/2017 at 13:30:13
Any doubters should have a look on YouTube and see what Alex Ferguson thinks about Allardyce.
17 Posted 02/12/2017 at 14:16:57
"Ladies and gentlemen of the Press, I can't find words to tell you how grateful I am to be anointed manager of this great football club by the two blokes actually in charge, or one of them at least, but their eventual joint commitment meant a great deal for, I mean to, me.
"That said, I'd just like to make it absolutely clear that although I've been a twat I am now resolved not to be one. Honest.
"Moving on, the football we will pay will encompass all the latest in sports science and technical wizardry. For instance I intend to get the players "FIT", a new experience for most of them I'm sure, but one they will adapt to once they've stopped throwing up on the training pitch.
"I then intend to limit the number of times opponents do silly dances whilst our goalkeeper again walks into our nets to retrieve the ball. This won't be easy of course but it is important, and may cause occasional pain to be necessary, sometimes even during games or from opponents too.
"I've nothing against silly dancing though, providing it's done at the other end of the pitch. Indeed I hope to see some of our lads develop those same skills so well they'll be on "Strictly" next year, or in January if I can arrange it.
18 Posted 02/12/2017 at 17:21:50
19 Posted 02/12/2017 at 19:00:54
If you think back to his time at Bolton, he signed some massive players Okocha and Djorkaeff, he got Hierro and Campo from Real Madrid!
First we need to stop the rot, and two clean sheets is the perfect platform for that. Still need a target man in January, someone with the experience that Calvert-Lewin lacks as he continues his development.
20 Posted 02/12/2017 at 22:23:12
I don't give a shit about Allardyce's past. Has he been arrested? Have any of our players been?
Stay away with your high horse morals. Give the man a chance ffs. It's not as if top coaches were queueing up to manage EFC.
21 Posted 03/12/2017 at 08:42:27
Isn't it sad that we have a former England manager and yet won't describe him as a 'top coach'.
Clearly he is a step up from Koeman who many in the game had decided was a top coach.
22 Posted 03/12/2017 at 09:11:02
23 Posted 03/12/2017 at 09:32:49
24 Posted 03/12/2017 at 09:36:48
Now maybe he'll be a revelation. It seems unlikely but we probably didn't expect Preston's manager to get us in Europe, or the man touted for the Barca job to be a compete incompetent. Stranger things have happened.
He'll absolutely get my support, though I'll reserve the right to comment on performances even if a big portion of the posters on here don't think fans should discuss such things.
Out of interest, what sort of performance up to May would we expect from Sam if he was to be considered a success? He's been here a few days and we're in 10th place... the target must still be 7th?
25 Posted 03/12/2017 at 09:51:45
How many wish we hadn't taken Duncan Ferguson out of Barlinnie? Or Tony Kaye back in the day?
There are very few saints in football and “real life” but I do wish the "holier than thou" brigade would give it a rest!
26 Posted 03/12/2017 at 09:56:57
That's not a bad start and if he stops Leighton Baines turning back to his own goal so many times to play backwards, I'll be happy with that!
Give the guy a chance I Think he could prove a lot of us (because I wasn't convinced either) pleasantly wrong!
27 Posted 03/12/2017 at 10:01:20
28 Posted 03/12/2017 at 10:16:29
““Using his experience with a team and playing as a team member, it's not for me to say where he's going to play. It's up to me to ask whether he's doing well in that position and contributing. If so, great.”???
Personally I never understood the fuss over that?
29 Posted 03/12/2017 at 10:59:43
We have “Everton in the Community” giving second chances to thousands and quite rightly receiving accolades for it.
Is it the case where we pick and choose forgiveness??
30 Posted 03/12/2017 at 11:26:52
We'll have to see how the results and performances go, but Allardyce knows the game and is normally worth listening to unlike Jamie and his puffed up Sky pundits.
31 Posted 03/12/2017 at 11:53:30
His boss is known as the "master" and he is in his eighties and his knives sell for upwards of £50,000 each, though he can't make so many now he is older.
There is a lot to be said for experience and Allardyce has been around a long time, managing more clubs in the Premier League than anyone else.
His win rates are not impressive but now he is at a decent club with good resources, perhaps we shall see him use his knowledge and experience to show that he can achieve better things.
It might be fashionable to tout foreign managers, who have only been in work for 7 years, or men who have no in depth knowledge of the Premier League, but they have a lot to learn. Let's keep an eye on Silva's Watford, and see where they end up.
Even people like Guardiola have had money to spend wherever they have coached. Would Pep have saved Sunderland or Palace from the drop?
This is Big Sam's chance to win something and I think he is taking this job very seriously and he isn't thinking of his next step on the managerial ladder.
32 Posted 03/12/2017 at 12:10:38
As Groucho Marx said: "Those are my principles and, if you don't like them, I do have others."
33 Posted 03/12/2017 at 12:16:41
34 Posted 03/12/2017 at 12:52:29
Then he mumbled something about Dyche would've seen Everton as a step up from the Burnley job (he was going all colours by now). Then he had to agree with Carra about Sam dropping the Big Sam clown act and grabbing this opportunity with both hands etc..
All-in-all, a very uncomfortable few minutes for a well-paid journo, who wasn't given a chance to talk about his beloved reds, who is supposed to show some level of neutrality.
35 Posted 03/12/2017 at 13:04:12
Two wins and the table looks a lot different: the panic merchants and those threatening to stay away are probably the type who build an ark at the first sign of drizzle.
We will be okay as injuries return to key positions and a couple of signings in January. I've no problems getting behind Allardyce I just feel we have been hasty.
36 Posted 03/12/2017 at 13:19:57
37 Posted 03/12/2017 at 14:09:32
The Premier League is no place for 'flaky' personalities [as Ronald Koeman proved]. A bit of rock-solid self-confidence, is not going to do our new manager any harm. Also, from what I've seen, I don't think Pickford or Rooney are overburdened with self-doubt!
38 Posted 03/12/2017 at 14:54:53
What's that? He's won silverware everywhere he's been?
As for that Guardiola guy, at our Club? No chance have you seen the way he dresses? His tie is never fitted properly on his collar. What a mess, we've got standards and principles.
What's that? He's won silverware and got his team playing fast open football wherever he's been, a winner?
As for that shit Pochettino, at our Club? No chance. Another piss-poor dresser, no standards. Crap player, 10 years or so at some crap team Espanyol, only scored about a goal a season. We need winners.
What's that? Got Spurs, a comparable-sized team to us, playing good footy and years ahead of us?
Nicholas, it doesn't matter who we get in as manager, there'll always be some who will spend more time looking at the negatives and won't give them a chance.
Most of us, given a chance, wouldn't have gone near Allardyce. The thing is, he is here we should show a bit of respect to him as our manager and give him time to either succeed or fail before shouting the odds.
39 Posted 03/12/2017 at 20:40:47
He'll be dying for them twats to hammer us next week. I hope we park the bus and frustrate the life out of them. Because I can't wait to hear them slagging Sam off. Horrible race of people with their phoney banners and idiotic songs.
40 Posted 04/12/2017 at 07:49:11
Respect has to be earned, John. Allardyce's only 'great' achievements (so far) were getting Bolton to 7th and his undefeated record with England (heh).
41 Posted 04/12/2017 at 17:15:48
He's a journalist from Merseyside so of course he's going to have plenty of opinions on Everton. He's a red (now) and he's always taking the piss out of Everton but often admits he likes to see them doing well, once it doesn't hinder Liverpool's progress.
I think he's an excellent pundit. I'd love to hear who those that disagree hold in higher regard.
42 Posted 04/12/2017 at 17:28:26
43 Posted 04/12/2017 at 18:19:06
Back to Liverpool now though, and how can we really take most of their fans serious? They call us “bitter blues” because we hate them, but its alright for them to hate Man Utd, Chelsea, and Man City, and if we could sneak a win on Sunday, they would be fucking seething, especially since they know we have now got a manager who doesnt give a fuck for Liverpool FC!
44 Posted 04/12/2017 at 21:05:51
Maybe it's alright if it's said in jest, but he who laugh's last, laugh's longest, and he was only messin anyway... honest!
45 Posted 05/12/2017 at 07:09:45
The more comment they can stir up with their outpourings of verbal or written diarrhoea, the more credibility their views appear to gain, purely based on the numbers of readers or listeners their employers claim on their behalf.
I treat all of them with an equal dose of healthy disdain and ridicule, thinking what a shame it is, that many of these people, once talented players themselves, are now reduced to a Z-list of jobs hanging on loosely to the fringes of the football world, finding the role of pundit to be the nearest they can now find employment to the real business of actually playing, coaching, or managing a real football club.
Poor, sad individuals who sit like beggars on street corners, hoping to pick up crumbs, with a false sense of self-importance, from the game that once provided them with a long ago lucrative living.
My heart bleeds for them. Poor wee pundits, hangers-on, every one of them. To use an old phrase, often heard in my youth, 'Empty vessels make the most noise'.
46 Posted 05/12/2017 at 07:49:28
Clearly you're starting as you mean to go on, hating our new man in charge! Well, fuck Carragher, he's a red so its expected! As for the 'All about me, me, me...' accusations re Sam Allardyce, so you've just totally ignored the actual words of 'Us.. and We..' the man came in with, then, yeah?
Like I say, starting as you mean to go on, clearly! And also negatively, even to the point of being prepared to go along with snide Red Shite remarks about our new manager!! Nice one. Except not.
An' so yeah, go join yer mate, Carragher!!!
47 Posted 05/12/2017 at 07:56:56
48 Posted 05/12/2017 at 08:01:44
49 Posted 05/12/2017 at 08:13:48
Well, I hate to tell you this.. and I'm not talking about anyone in particular in any respect.. but if someone points out that some chap is a 'dodgy dude', because he's, guess what?.. a dodgy dude.. then even if the speaker himself were also a some-time 'dodgy' character, it really don't make what he pointed out any the less true just because of that little fact!!!
50 Posted 05/12/2017 at 10:51:45
Only one thing - as per usual such crap - to say, then: stfu!!! (Well, I think its pretty clear, anyway!!!)...
51 Posted 05/12/2017 at 13:42:57
Thank God we have your opinion, Jamie.
May I call you Jamie?
Or do you prefer Mr Carragher?
Oh I don't care, I'll call you whatever you like because you're amazing and I value your opinion so much.
You are quite simply the best pundit in the whole wide world and I love you.
I love how controversial you are.
And I love you're high - pitched voice. Most of all I love all of the own goals you scored when you were playing.
I loved each and every one.
And I loved how you were still playing for England U21s when you were 35 years of age.
I knew you were better than Terry and Ferdinand at the time, I just knew it.
I was right and every single England manager who picked them in front of you was wrong.
Love you Carra, love you always and please, please, don't ever change.
You fucking retard.
52 Posted 05/12/2017 at 13:57:01
53 Posted 05/12/2017 at 14:12:15
54 Posted 05/12/2017 at 14:18:35
I have seen a lot of posters using Allardyce's perceived dodgy dealings as a stick to beat those of the opinion that he is not a good enough manager to manage EFC ("get off your high horse" etc).
Personally, I've had a while now to reflect. Initially, I could not bring myself to watch a Sam Allardyce team. It hurt (I won't deny) when we appointed him. Not because of his perceived dodgy dealings, but because it felt like a negative appointment, against the EFC-grain.
My love of EFC has overcome my initial feelings (funny how that happens), so I'll back the team in whatever form it takes. Yet, I (as we all do) will always have the right not to follow a manager (any manager) unconditionally, regardless our current or future plight(s).
55 Posted 05/12/2017 at 15:06:58
We were heading into an abyss despite Unsy's valiant efforts and Tuchel, Ancelotti and Simeone were either disinterested or unavailable.
Silva and Dyche are in the moment but who knows what they could offer longer term and Silva was not available anyway.
Despite my initial concerns I have been impressed by the way Sam Allardyce has immediately identified issues, brought in a strong team and communicated better than Martinez, Moyes and Koeman combined.
He has also expressed how proud he is to manage a club of Everton's stature and history and talks about 'us' and 'we'.
Personally, I feel a veil has been lifted and, although I dread going to the other place, I feel less dread than I did two weeks ago.
I just wish for the club's sake Evertonians would unite and get behind the manager and the players instead of carping at every opportunity.
I say fuck Carra and fuck the FA let's show them who Everton is.
56 Posted 05/12/2017 at 22:07:20
There's more important issues in life than some rag arse, whom media wise changes his mind every day. Even RS fans I know who go the game don't rate him..
We are Everton, and Everton counts and the RS and the rest. Let's stand firm and get behind the club and build a new era.
Fuck the RS, Carra, and Sky, MotD, BT Sport all mainly pseudo players, crap in their day, some got lucky as members of winning teams, Shearer aside... Good goal scorer old fashioned centre-forward, who gave more digs than he got.
Hopefully time to make some new ditties for our forthcoming success this next month with two wins at our old ground.
Hope eternal and genuine belief... Each to their own, and rightly so, in their views on our manager, but we must support the club. Two weeks ago, we were on our knees; never again.
57 Posted 06/12/2017 at 20:57:35
Love him or not, Big Sam is thrilled to have the Everton job and he will be giving it everything.
58 Posted 10/12/2017 at 02:59:41
The new guy clearly has big respect for our club and wants us back playing as we should be... you've only got to actually listen to what he's said publicly so far to know that he fully intends to get us challenging for at least Europe, and that he's actually got some humour and lots of character to go with his drive!!!
For me, when he got the England job, I admittedly initially thought 'WTF?' but he was quickly doing well enough to shut me up and put my doubts on hold. (And fuck why he lost that job, by the way, you 'moralistic' pretenders, if it wasn't either footballing or actual humanitarian reasons!!) That, along with his clear desire to be a big, guiding, part of our great club means I'll also be giving him a fair shot at doing what he believes he and his 'team' can do for, and with, us!
It's called 'humility' on our behalf, as we've certainly been in no position for a while now to dismiss any option out of hand! Those who think we can, even should (especially the RS haters of our great Blue club like Jamie Carragher!!) should shut up, wake up, and let's see what happens, shall we???
('Big Sam Act', ffs, gosh thanks Carragher for your amazing insights!.. now shut up and fuck right off out of it!!!)
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