Sigurdsson has been a top target of Everton's for the past year and it seems the long-mooted transfer may be entering its final stages this week.
Having reportedly knocked back a £40m offer from Everton, Swansea slapped an eye-watering £50m price tag on Sigurdsson, but this has seemingly not deterred the Toffees from pursuing him further.
Sigurdsson has apparently expressed a desire to rejoin a bigger club and failed to go with his side on their US tour, which ends today.
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1 Posted 23/07/2017 at 15:08:41
2 Posted 23/07/2017 at 15:10:31
It would certainly seem a more realistic fee, but I won;'t think much of it until some more reliable source starts quoting it without reference to the Express.
The best news that could occur this week would be a big victory three goals plus in the Europa League.
3 Posted 23/07/2017 at 15:12:01
Why do that? Money is not a problem for Everton. If Koeman thinks he can do a job and improve the squad, then I'm happy to go along with that. If his contribution gets us in the top 4, then it will be money well spent.
4 Posted 23/07/2017 at 15:14:31
It's not all about the first 11: for once, we will have genuine quality to come off the bench.
5 Posted 23/07/2017 at 15:26:41
With the stories that are going around about Everton's new found wealth, negotiating a player's contract and fees are fine as long as it does not allow another club to come in and steal the player you want with a slightly better offer.
It takes time to build a team with a number of new players coming in, so we have to get the players we want in, as quickly as possible. Haggling for a player to save money was the old Everton way; let's continue with the new Everton way and bring in the players we want quickly.
6 Posted 23/07/2017 at 15:32:41
Keep them rolling in Ronald.
Not the slightest bit interested in the fee.
Spend more please Mr Moshiri.
7 Posted 23/07/2017 at 15:43:33
8 Posted 23/07/2017 at 15:44:51
If we buy Sigurdsson and Giroud I think we'll close the gap and could possibly catch up and overtake 1 or 2 of the top 6, hopefully Liverpool and possibly Arsenal, but that's still a big ask.
Spurs may slip away a bit as they don't have the money to compete for the top players, but Kane and Alli guarantee 40-50 goals alone and will probably scrape them the last champions league spot.
Personally, I'm hoping for us to cement our place as a super seven and be right in the mix for champions league places deep into the season. I'd like us to beat a couple of these top teams away from home and go deep in the Europa League.
That's what I realistically expect, but I am of course hoping for more and believe we are certainly going to be far better than last season.
I think it's easy to get carried away after what's been a great summer, but the clubs above us are not standing still. They will all also improve, and many are buying players that pull them further ahead with more huge transfers likely over the next few weeks.
9 Posted 23/07/2017 at 15:53:37
10 Posted 23/07/2017 at 15:55:33
Interested to see how we are funding all this, debts against the club guaranteed by Moshiri?
It's going to be a strangely unbalanced squad with a freebie right-back, ageing left-back and £45 million No 10!
11 Posted 23/07/2017 at 16:00:23
A strangely unbalanced squad in the sense of one that's been strengthened through the entire spine of the team, with cover in almost every position, mostly funded at this point through a near world record sale of Lukaku.
On Sigurdsson... prices are inflated. I still think it's a lot. But on the other hand, if Koeman identified him as the #1 target to fill a position, are we better paying over the odds for that #1, or going for a second or third choice that's cheaper?
12 Posted 23/07/2017 at 16:05:17
Do you think Lukaku is worth up to £90m do you? Or Van Dijk £70m? What about Walker at £50m? That's the market at the moment so we have to except it.
For me, bring him in! I love this player – he will only add to our assist and goal tally.
13 Posted 23/07/2017 at 16:09:00
Maybe we could sell half a dozen surplus midfielders to pay for it?
14 Posted 23/07/2017 at 16:13:20
So far we've simply spent the Lukaku money. So what exactly is the fear? Did Leeds have the massive revenue that the premier league now attracts? No. Did they have the wealth behind their owner? No. Was it mismanagement of the entire club that led to their demise? Yes.
15 Posted 23/07/2017 at 16:14:22
If they think he can help us to the next level, I don't see the fee as a problem. If he's a success, all well and good; if he's a flop, it's money wasted – whatever the fee.
My biggest concern is that, given the number of new signings that have come in and are possibly coming in, it is a big ask to expect them all to hit the ground running and gel together straight away – especially given our initial fixtures.
While I expect a slight improvement in performance, a higher finish or the winning of a trophy might have to wait until next season.
16 Posted 23/07/2017 at 16:15:03
To date, we are funding the incoming transfers using the poke from the outgoing transfers.
17 Posted 23/07/2017 at 16:23:53
Positives: great new manager, great new scout, great new owner, fantastic youth set up, state-of-the-art new stadium coming soon, and a transfer window like we have never witnessed before. Now is it a sin to be positive about that?
18 Posted 23/07/2017 at 16:29:38
19 Posted 23/07/2017 at 16:42:29
20 Posted 23/07/2017 at 16:43:12
It's a pity in some ways, that this couldn't, have been sorted a couple of weeks ago, he has been training on his own, he could have been with team, and had a run out in one or two of the games.
Better late than never, I suppose.
21 Posted 23/07/2017 at 16:47:40
I'm just concerned for the club and these kind of booms can easily be followed by busts I'd like to see big money invested in our infrastructure, ie, the new stadium. Let's hope that happens too.
Pickford and Keane I can understand as we were desperate for a decent keeper and centre-back. Rooney is decent business for many reasons. Sigurdsson is very much over-priced and we'd be well over the Lukaku money by that point and still needing a centre-forward.
22 Posted 23/07/2017 at 16:48:36
I personally don't think he's worth that amount but then I don't think Lukaku is worth what Man Utd paid or Walker is worth what Man City paid.
We are in a position where we have to pay over the odds to get the players we want before "the big 4" get in but luckily we have the cash to do it.
Next up: a striker of sublime scoring pedigree please!
23 Posted 23/07/2017 at 16:50:04
It's not a sin to be positive, but where that crosses the line is you labeling Everton fans as haters because they don't see things quite like you do.
24 Posted 23/07/2017 at 16:50:05
Sigurdsson has plenty of Premier League experience but I have never thought that he was the player that could add the X-Factor and pop up for a winner in a close game,...
Is he the match winner or nice to have type player? I would rather go for Mahrez – the lad can I unlock any defence.
25 Posted 23/07/2017 at 16:51:21
It could be the difference between staying in the league. Everton will gain a top player.
26 Posted 23/07/2017 at 16:51:48
I was pleased to see an ESPN article headed what the "Premier League Big Boys" need to do in the transfer window. There was a piece on each of the top 7 (which included us) whereas a year ago, that would have been all about the top 6. Perceptions are changing.
27 Posted 23/07/2017 at 17:00:28
Chill out sit back and wait for the ride to start instead of moaning like a load of 80-year-old nymphomaniacs. It's not your money.
28 Posted 23/07/2017 at 17:01:04
29 Posted 23/07/2017 at 17:01:40
Firstly, it is easier for us to improve as we had weaker players to begin with. So Michael Keane may or not make it into the first XI of other top 7 clubs, but he will hugely improve our first team, and this closes the gap. This is also true of Pickford and possibly Klaassen and is also true of Schneiderlin (now available for the full season)
Secondly the loss of Lukaku I'm not worried about this at all. Its how many goals the team scores that matter. The idea that you need a 20 goal a season striker is not backed up by the stats we dominated in 1985 without a striker hitting over 20 goals and we won in 1987 having lost our last 25-a-season striker. I am sure we will score more goals per game this season.
Thirdly form changes. Chelsea were 10th two seasons ago and became the Champions the following season. They didn't buy a ton of new player but still made up the ground. We on the other hand have bought a ton of new players.
Fourthly there's a lot of variables than the the buying of new players. Otherwise teams would generally get better every year (as they are always "strengthening") but this doesn't usually happen across the board. Some teams will decline.
30 Posted 23/07/2017 at 17:03:48
Roll on Thursday, our season could be a great one. Transfers done early, good players in who should bring us up a few places in the league. To me, Everton are buzzing at the moment, brilliant.
31 Posted 23/07/2017 at 17:06:12
Enough said let's get it done.
Enjoy the ride... I think it's going to be exciting.
32 Posted 23/07/2017 at 17:06:39
33 Posted 23/07/2017 at 17:14:44
A lot of people are saying £35m tops. In which case, we're probably going to pay £10m extra. In the greater scheme of things, so what? If it means the difference between really challenging for silverware or the Top 4, it's immaterial. It will still mean Lukaku in return for him, Sandro, Rooney and Klaassen with change.
We have to start buying the players that can make the difference and he is obviously thought to be one otherwise we will spend an eternity getting twatted at Anfield, fizzling out should we get to Wembley and watching the Top 6 pull away from us into the distance.
Moshiri isn't mucking about. He's putting his money where his mouth is and we should all be grateful that he is.
Next up a proper, quality striker.
34 Posted 23/07/2017 at 17:25:52
So those who feel we are 'over-spending' and that we are the next Leeds should calm down!
35 Posted 23/07/2017 at 17:26:27
I guess Sigurdsson coming in makes Ross staying pretty untenable. It probably also makes our stance of getting a fee of around £35m unlikely. Teams will now know that we want to get rid and they'll probably bid on deadline day accordingly.
A swap for Giroud with Arsenal throwing us £10m would be the perfect scenario for me.
36 Posted 23/07/2017 at 17:31:22
Great manager? Really? I will call him a great manager if he wins the league for us and or a cup and gets us playing attractive football over a sustained period of time.
Nothing wrong with optimism whatsoever, Neil, but throwing the word great around about everything makes you sound like that Paul Whitehuse character who thought everything was "brilliant".
37 Posted 23/07/2017 at 17:41:26
One guaranteed 'great' I will give though is: right now, it's great to be a Everton fan!
38 Posted 23/07/2017 at 18:02:08
Remember, we're now debt-free, have record season-ticket sales money available, Sky monies, Usmanov's sponsorship deal, the SportPesa deal, Chinese bank money etc... The money is there and soon we'll have a new stadium to show off and bring in extra millions in sponsor and corporate cash.
So Jon, while we have to be financially responsible, we are no longer 'poor little Everton'. That's dead and buried.
39 Posted 23/07/2017 at 18:17:24
40 Posted 23/07/2017 at 18:17:59
Just recently, we were careering towards the Championship aboard the Martinez Mediocrity Express. Someone like Gylfi Sigurdsson would have laughed at the idea of joining Everton.
Fast forward a couple of years, and the guy can't wait to climb aboard 'The Flying Dutchman'. People worried if Koeman was tough enough; Boy, is he! People wondered if Moshiri was ambitious enough; Boy, is he!
The pool of players who will improve the team and come to Everton, and are available, and we can afford, is very small. Amazingly, we seem to have recruited the entire contents of that pool!
At last season's end, I thought: If we get Pickford, Keane and Sigurdsson, then the club hierarchy mean business, and I'll be happy. They did, and I am.
To those who say, "We're buying in with money from sales" What... like that's a crime?! Fans of other clubs are now in awe of the EFC momentum.
Onwards and Upwards! The guys in charge of this club have clearly shown over the last few weeks that they are serious players. Let's get behind them and play our part.
Never in recent times has this Club had the prospects that it has now. Seat-belts on because it's not going to be dull!
41 Posted 23/07/2017 at 18:28:18
Can he get a first eleven all playing in tandum? Can he get a tune out of this bunch of players? The parts of the sum are now all starting to come together. But Everton have to become more than a one-man team.
We sort of were just that when Lukaku was jogging about. A part became bigger than the sum. We now need players like Sigurdsson. And I have faith that Sigurdsson can be a big part of our team. A big part in hopefully the new improved winning sum that is Everton FC.
And who cares about a crazy price? A few winning goals and assists against the top teams will soon help repay that outlay.
Anyhow, when talking about crazy transfer deals, we mugged Man Utd and Man City off with Lukaku and Stones. Crazy money for those players.
I don't really care if Barkley has to go to make way for Sigurdsson. Everton have had a soft underbelly for far too long and Barkley was part of that, as were a number of other players. Baines? Jagielka? Mirallas? Most of the midfield under Martinez. (Hopefully mostly all fine.) And even Lukaku (remarkable he scored so many goals when he only turned up for half his matches).
We now seem to be instilling some passion, some grit, some forward passing, some style. Early days... but we now have better players, so surely Sigurdsson will add to all that. And I also hope that Koeman keeps faith with our talented youngsters.
Now let's get onboard a proven goalscorer. Giroud will do for me. And also cover at left back as it seems that Koeman has little faith in our youngsters in that position.
So let's rock and roll. Starting with a comfortable win on Thursday. A screamer from Gylfi to open the scoring. Happy days are here again.
42 Posted 23/07/2017 at 18:30:45
How many times have we seen EFC on top in games but unable to unlock the door with that killer pass? Well, gents, we have that in our locker now. I'd be putting money on Klaassen to score a lot of goals with these guys around him and his late runs into the box.
The other two I wanted were Van Dijk still hopeful on that one. the other was Vardy you never know.
As regards the fee, it's nonsense of course but football deals in monopoly money these days and if that is what he costs and we want him, then that is what we pay. Still can't believe we got £75 - £90m for Rom. His price has risen 200% since we got him but his ball skills haven't.
43 Posted 23/07/2017 at 18:34:25
I'm not keen on Vardy and it looks like Ramirez might do a similar job.
I'd still like Iheanacho or Dembele.
44 Posted 23/07/2017 at 18:36:01
45 Posted 23/07/2017 at 18:37:16
When Man City spend £130 million on three full backs inside a couple of weeks, player value just isn't relevant any more.
46 Posted 23/07/2017 at 18:41:50
We really are on financial sound ground here under the new regime. I'm looking forward to the ride.
The link to FFP is still on the home page, I believe, and is well worth a read.
47 Posted 23/07/2017 at 18:59:25
When you hear PSG trying to buy Neymar for $200m, you'd figure that £50m for a player like Sigurdsson is actually cheap... lol.
We should spend what we can to get better but let's not empty our warchest in one window.
48 Posted 23/07/2017 at 19:06:12
49 Posted 23/07/2017 at 19:12:07
I mention this as Le Tissier has posted a tweet calling for LFC to let Coutinho leave for Barca. Obviously a tongue-in-cheek post (re VVD) but our neighbours aren't taking it graciously.
I say, "Free Coutinho"!!!
50 Posted 23/07/2017 at 19:19:59
Has anyone caught wind of the West Ham fans on Twitter? Seems a lot of them are trying to get a feud going with the Evertonians by claiming they've secretly had the better transfer window.
51 Posted 23/07/2017 at 19:27:24
52 Posted 23/07/2017 at 19:40:43
53 Posted 23/07/2017 at 19:43:03
54 Posted 23/07/2017 at 19:46:10
55 Posted 23/07/2017 at 19:49:57
56 Posted 23/07/2017 at 19:50:37
We are really going places and we'll be in the top six and we'll win the FA Cup and the Europa League.
le Nouveau Everton est arrivé !!!!
57 Posted 23/07/2017 at 19:53:00
58 Posted 23/07/2017 at 19:53:40
I'd swap Sigurdsson for Barkley all day long without the money we might get for Ross. Add in the sales of Lukaku, Cleverley & Deulofeu it's a big Yes from me.
59 Posted 23/07/2017 at 19:59:20
I am actually off the juice have been for a bunch o' years.
I think I am just "high" on the effects of this transfer window... ;-)
60 Posted 23/07/2017 at 20:00:00
We'd only keep lumping the ball up to him; we need a new quick passing approach, play on the floor, pass & move like... & shooting from range would be a welcome change too!
Mr Pessimistic me (ask David Barks), but I've got a feeling we can finally bag a trophy this season... just unsure which one!!!
61 Posted 23/07/2017 at 20:15:51
However, I believe we've bought well so far and Sigurdsson is a player I really like. I'm not worrying about the money as it's coming in as well as going out. We need a replacement for Barkley who will probably go at an inflated price too.
62 Posted 23/07/2017 at 20:21:03
We could get two European hot prospects who could end up being an absolute bargain, but that's a gamble and they could end up being garbage. With Sigurdsson, you know exactly what you're getting, with a proven track record. We desperately need this kind of midfield creator and for the sake of an extra £10-15m, I would pay the money for a sure bet, rather than risk it on a gamble.
The same thing goes for Giroud. Make Arsenal an offer they can't refuse... and then we just need to work on finding a centre-back and a few squad players.
63 Posted 23/07/2017 at 20:29:04
You can only buy players that actually want to come. I fully expect Walsh will have already sounded out Mahrez and been politely told that we have no chance.
Walsh found him and convinced him to come to Leicester. He'll know the player and his agent. Of course he would have already had the discussion. Every player that we managed to bring in so early in the window will have been spoken to and tapped up weeks/months ago.
Sorry, Phil, but some posters chuck names out such as Aguero and Costa as if Koeman and Walsh should be making serious bids for them, but are actually focusing on the wrong players. As if there really is a chance they'd come. It's ridiculous.
Sigurdsson is a quality player worth pursuing because he wants to come. Mahrez will most likely go to Arsenal, unless they manage to change Monaco's mind on Thomas Lemar.
64 Posted 23/07/2017 at 20:40:00
Having said that, he still scored 10 goals last season! My overwhelming feeling is that Mahrez, at 26, would want to go to a club guaranteed success (define 'success' as you wish). Does he want 'potential'?
65 Posted 23/07/2017 at 20:52:12
Clueless manager (Roy Hodgson syndrome), best player wanting to leave, and no longer a Champions League team. I watched them yesterday totally played off the park by Chelsea. While we could be on the up, they seem on the way down.
66 Posted 23/07/2017 at 21:05:40
We'll probably have to shell out the same again for a decent target man up front, and perhaps half that for another central defender ideally, and then we're ready for the season ahead, with a couple of outgoing players before the end of August. We'll maybe spend a net of £50m to £100m all told, which is not a ridiculous amount in the current market.
In my opinon, we'll have a stronger squad than this time last year, despite losing our two star players in Lukaku and Barkley. I doubt if it will get us into the top four, but fifth or sixth is a possibility.
67 Posted 23/07/2017 at 21:11:17
68 Posted 23/07/2017 at 21:12:33
Basically, it will mean nothing if they intend to go with Sandro as the only experienced out-and-out striker as I don't think many would agree that Dowell and Calvert-Lewin are quite ready just yet... but maybe the midfield will produce more goals with this guy and Rooney.
69 Posted 23/07/2017 at 21:17:32
70 Posted 23/07/2017 at 21:52:37
I say when and not if because he is our number one target, he wants to leave and we are close to a price. The new Everton, unlike the old, will not let this deal fall through.
71 Posted 23/07/2017 at 22:02:21
But the one thing I'd say is, while I don't want us to over-spend, the point about being a big club (the sleeping giant is now woken) is that, if we want someone, we go out and buy him.
No haggling other than the bare minimum. If we wanna be a big club, we act like a big club.
72 Posted 23/07/2017 at 22:17:37
73 Posted 23/07/2017 at 22:23:55
74 Posted 23/07/2017 at 22:25:43
All we know is that he's a Leicester player and no big club has made any significant move for him. And Sigurdsson is seemingly looking just as expensive. I'd welcome either BTW.
75 Posted 23/07/2017 at 22:31:34
Lookman and Mirallas not good enough. Also a new striker and another centre back. We are full of central players. Space maybe for Kenny to try to break through though if good enough. Does make you question our shape. I'm questioning my shape too.
When are we going to make a signing? Watch this space. I think the cull will start soon and towards the close of the transfer window we will hopefully balance it all out.
76 Posted 23/07/2017 at 22:37:29
77 Posted 23/07/2017 at 23:10:31
You only have to look at what they just paid for the Stoke player to see that perhaps £45m for Sigurdsson ain't that bad especially when you look at the stats of the two players.
78 Posted 23/07/2017 at 23:13:34
Signing Sigurdsson should give us that cohesion and firepower we've been lacking in midfield since Arteta, but just how Koeman intends to organize the midfield area is baffling.
There's too many defensive midfielders not enough wingers at the club. Koeman needs to balance it out, maybe swap McCarthy for Mahrez ?
79 Posted 23/07/2017 at 23:18:15
The lad still has a lot of passion and ability and with Barry coming to the end of his career we would be crazy to get rid of just yet.
80 Posted 23/07/2017 at 23:19:17
We'll get some of the money back when we'll likely shift Barkley to Spurs next month.
Current squad should be able to put a few past Ruzomberok on Thursday.
81 Posted 23/07/2017 at 23:26:40
A centre-forward to hold the ball and score;
A midfielder who is able to beat a man and then (unlike Mirallas and Barkley) make the right decision about who to pass to or if to shoot.
We lack first-team players who can skin their opposition and make the right play afterwards. Most top teams have one (Hazard, Sanchez, Coutinho, Eriksen, Silva/Sane).
82 Posted 23/07/2017 at 23:30:16
Sam #81, I love his set piece threat for sure... but Sigurdsson's other influence is holding the ball and making the right pass. He's incredibly safe on the ball, more so than Rooney and MUCH more so than Barkley.
83 Posted 23/07/2017 at 23:40:25
I'm certain Mr Moshiri got him to explain the number of players he'd need to make good on the terms of Koeman's three-year, League-qualifying contract. The finances are evidently in place to do it but selling Lukaku has allowed us to stay within the bollocks inherent in financial integrity (in football!!???) and also all but paid for everyone in this window thus far.
But most of all Koeman at Southampton twice in consecutive years gelled around a half-a-dozen new signings into his first team as he had had half-a-dozen or so "stars" sold by the club in the summer windows, and still got them their best ever Premier League positions, playing attractive football.
What's not to like, or at least be already optimistic about for us?
84 Posted 23/07/2017 at 23:47:55
Wide man I'd love to see us go all out for Brandt from Leverkusen, or a tricky South American like Luan.
85 Posted 23/07/2017 at 00:01:37
At the moment I see very little variety in our attack except from Sandro who is totally untried and maybe Lookman or Dowell who are very green. My worry is that we lack pace and reliable players who can beat a man. Players like that put the fear of God into defenders and create space for the smart players to then exploit.
Also a great deal of Sigurdsson's good work involved picking out excellent practitioners of the header (Llorente in particular); our attack is very diminutive as stands.
86 Posted 23/07/2017 at 00:08:31
I guess if the Arsenal move doesn't come off and he doesn't get any offers from Champions League clubs then we may have a shot, but I doubt it. He definitely fancies himself and if he did come to us I'm not sure he'd have the right attitude. Koeman is definitely targeting a certain type of player. Leaders who work hard for the team. Mahrez is all about himself.
Sam, I am certain that, if we buy Sigurdsson, then Giroud will be lined up to follow.
Otherwise, as you suggest, the move makes little sense.
87 Posted 24/07/2017 at 01:04:00
Another argument is that we have too many similar players in the mid. I think we will need lots of players to cover for injuries and the extra matches we will be playing when we are in Europe and the later stages of cup competitions.
Just thought of a new song to "Sittin On The Dock of the Bay":
We'll be sittin on the dock of the bay,
Watchin Everton play,
Watchin the goals go in,
Thinkin bout the cups we will win.
88 Posted 24/07/2017 at 01:51:38
89 Posted 24/07/2017 at 02:24:22
Let's just get him in so he's ready to start the Premier League and we can focus all attention on luring a decent target man before the big kick off.
(nb: I'm aware some extra defensive cover is also merited with Funes Mori crocked, but I think it'll be easier to draft in a centre-half than a decent forward.)
90 Posted 24/07/2017 at 03:38:05
I just think it doesn't matter. His feet are so quick with the ball and his passing is so elegant that he just leaves the sprinting to others. And it's become an oft-repeated canard here that he does most of his best work with crosses, and it's as if TW has just adopted the point en masse, but it just ain't true:
You're absolutely right that we lack people who can consistently slice through defenses off the dribble, a la Lukaku and Barkley, but another way to slice up the defense is by running onto cutting through balls. (Besides, the window is still open for five more weeks.)
I actually don't see Rooney and Sigurdsson as similar players, but that's a debate for another thread.
91 Posted 24/07/2017 at 03:52:59
It is a particularly galling facet of the bias when you consider the numerous articles they produced when John Stones was making a move, with the exact opposite approach.
Out of interest I contacted the BBC through their formal complaints channel. Absolutely hilarious and disheartening at the same time. The e mail exchange was a series of "You have over-marketed Liverpool FC compared to other winning clubs (with bountiful statistics to show the case) with embarrassing, one liner statistic-less responses of "Oh no we haven't as it is not our policy!'
God help us if the beloved reds actually do win something....
92 Posted 24/07/2017 at 06:05:40
William (#91). It's very nauseating the way the media, with BBC and Sky being top culprits, fawn over those tossers. Amazing how Lukaku leaving 'for the good of his career' was the party line but with Coutinho 'needs to stay where he is' now in full shite talking swing. Truly is pathetic. Loved the Le Tissier post by the way. Check it out if you haven't seen it.
93 Posted 24/07/2017 at 07:53:29
94 Posted 24/07/2017 at 09:08:40
The media are whores and will jump out of bed with them the second a new story comes along to fill their column inches though, we just need to make sure that story is us. Then Liverpool fans can read about 'How Liverpool Can Catch Their Successful Neighbours'.
95 Posted 24/07/2017 at 09:11:19
"Sigurdsson's good work involved picking out excellent practitioners of the header."
Maybe Koeman is waiting to ensure he can get a good header of the ball in before he concludes the Sigurdsson transfer? Giroud, Benteke and Slimani have all been mentioned and are all good in the air.
96 Posted 24/07/2017 at 09:23:10
If we manage to get Sig in, he will be the best ball player at our club. He has rarely missed a premier league match and runs farther than any other player in the league, so his fitness and mobility are clearly not an issue.
I agree with Sam that the team lacks a bit of pace but that should be addressed by playing the right players around him. He is the player who spots the runs and picks them out. Speed isn't necessary in his game.
One thing is for sure though, if we bring him in then we need centre backs and forwards who are strong in the air otherwise we will not make use of his fantastic deliveries. Fingers crossed for Giroud and another tall centre-back. Van Dijk would be the icing on the cake, but unfortunately he seems to want to play for that demented prat, Klopp.
97 Posted 24/07/2017 at 09:31:59
The only thing us fans need worry about is the quality of the player. The Premier League has become a billionaires playground, we have no comprehension of value.
Those saying '£10 million too much?' too much in relation to what? How did you come up with £35 million as a 'fair fee'. It is all just so absurd and beyond our reality.
So all I care about is they player. So, is Sigurdsson what we need?
I like him. I think he is top quality, goals, assists and graft from midfield. Better than anyone we have. He would be a good addition.
98 Posted 24/07/2017 at 09:34:33
99 Posted 24/07/2017 at 10:19:26
Looking at the recent signings, plus the possibility of Sigurdsson, it looks like the team being assembled will have more focus on quick passing movements, with football brains where the likes of Schneiderlin, Klaassen, Sigurdsson and Rooney will anticipate the next move before they receive the ball. If this comes to pass, then our game will very likely be a lot faster.
Just looking at the pre-season games, there also seems to be more focus on shooting from distance, 5 goals from those friendlies being examples. So the signs seem to be there that we will get a faster, more precise passing game, with more scope for scoring from distance shots something we've been lacking previously.
If this happens, there's every chance we'll also be more entertaining. So, if we become more effective as a team, more cohesive with more fluid and rapid passing movements, and more attempts at goal from distance, I'd call that progress. It might take a few games to gel this way, but once we get there it'll likely be worth watching.
100 Posted 24/07/2017 at 10:21:59
Le Tissier was one of a kind. A genius one week and lazy bugger the next. Sigurdsson is no genius, but he's never lazy and is more dependable.
Watching Le Tissier when he was fit and in the mood was something special.
101 Posted 24/07/2017 at 10:26:53
On the power/strength front, I also think we look more than a bit light. I still haven't recovered from the way Tottenham brushed us aside at their place, and Chelsea did much the same.
It's a game for athletes now at the top level and it's what sets the top 4 apart as well as talent, of course.
It would be great if we can indeed start to play with speed of thought through Klaassen, Sigurdsson and Rooney, always assuming they can be made to fit together.
102 Posted 24/07/2017 at 10:28:59
103 Posted 24/07/2017 at 11:06:55
104 Posted 24/07/2017 at 11:13:45
But this is my point. Who are the 'others'? Klaassen and Rooney for me are similar to Sigurdsson in the respect that they are smart players able to see and pick the right pass. And whilst they might have good movement none have the pace and acceleration to easily outstrip a defender when darting into space.
We have players who can potentially pick a pass but are lacking players who have the pace to best utilise that vision. Chelsea have Fabregas or Luiz picking out Hazard and Willian. Man City have Silva and De Bruyne picking out Sterling and Sane. Arsenal have Ozil picking out Sanchez and Walcott. Spurs have Eriksen picking out Alli and Son. Man Utd have Pogba picking out Martial and Lingard.
I am just not sure who will be providing the movement for us and for me that's a bigger priority currently than getting another player who can pick a pass.
105 Posted 24/07/2017 at 11:25:43
The comparison to Leeds which is popping up repeatedly is so far off the mark, it's unreal.
The financial landscape of football is worlds away from what it was then.
106 Posted 24/07/2017 at 11:27:03
107 Posted 24/07/2017 at 11:37:41
The new players plus Sigurdsson plus Lukaku would be perfect but it's obvious we need a striker to replace him. I think this will certainly be sorted before the season starts.
108 Posted 24/07/2017 at 11:50:12
I feel that Rooney, Klaassen, Sandro and Sigurdsson will be contesting just two positions (#10 & attacking midfield) in a typical line-up. Regardless of the combination or line-up, we still need a big, mobile centre-forward.
109 Posted 24/07/2017 at 12:31:43
We picked up Peter Reid and Sharp for small fees by the standards of the time, and paid a lot for Micky Walsh. Somewhere, in the lower reaches of the league is a £250k player who will become a superstar it's just a matter of finding him.
110 Posted 24/07/2017 at 12:36:15
111 Posted 24/07/2017 at 12:38:01
For my tuppence worth he's exactly the creative type of player we need, certainly an upgrade on Barkley. A centre-forward and cover at left-back and I think our business will be done.
112 Posted 24/07/2017 at 13:00:08
Jonjoe Kenny may be the solution at right-backuntil Seamus returns. Luke Garbutt / Callum Connolly may be the solution to a Leighton backup, after all few of us complained when Garbutt filled in for Leighton 2 seasons ago.
We are blessed beyond belief at centre back, Jagielka, Williams, Funes Mori, Keane, Galloway, Holgate, Besic (who has played there for his country in world cup finals).
Kieran Dowell seems to be shaping up nicely and we already have an abundance of midfielders, Tom Davies included.
The only position where we seem to lack cover is in the forward line, where no-one really seems to be stepping up to the mark.
After all, isn't it the managers job to find a blend? It seems to me that, with one exception, Koeman has all the tools at his disposal and now needs to start earning his considerable corn.
113 Posted 24/07/2017 at 13:10:35
The Red Shite had an average team a couple of seasons ago and then Suarez stepped up to the plate, and one man made a team. We have the money get one in. .
114 Posted 24/07/2017 at 13:19:36
Funes Mori is out till next year, Holgate is not proven there but now seems to be groomed at right back, Jags and Williams are experienced but getting too slow, Besic is a rash tackler to be in that position and Galloway is out on loan. Keane seems the genuine article but Martina is a bit of an iffy call.
We may get by however as long as we have a really strong midfield which would appear so especially if Sigurdsson comes. With McCarthy, Schneiderlin and also Barry, they should be able to do the job which is protecting the centre of the defence.
115 Posted 24/07/2017 at 13:23:17
Trouble is, the crucial piece we now need (a reliable goalscorer who can knit play together) is one of the hardest things to find in the game. I think whoever we buy in this position will have much more impact on our season than Sigurdsson.
116 Posted 24/07/2017 at 13:33:42
Imagine those qualities at Wembley over a season! I can see Daniel Levy seriously screwing us. He is worth £50 million and every cent. I really like Sigurdsson but we should be investing in Ross and a striker as priorities.
Koeman won't be here in 2 years he will either succeed and move up the food chain or fail and be out. If the situation on Ross is down to Koeman, then this will prove short-sighted by the club
117 Posted 24/07/2017 at 13:37:19
118 Posted 24/07/2017 at 13:41:11
Also has a fair bit of technical ability as his overhead kick against Man Utd shows. I can't imagine Lukaku scoring that one.
119 Posted 24/07/2017 at 13:58:21
120 Posted 24/07/2017 at 14:25:02
121 Posted 24/07/2017 at 14:29:01
Everton is moving forward, it's time some supporters move forward as well. I don't know why there is this demand that we must have a big target man up top. Kane isn't a big target man. Vardy wasn't. Man City don't use that. Costa isn't that player. Liverpool don't use a big target forward.
We need a talented striker, not a big guy. For example, if we had a choice between Ageuro and Benteke, who in their right mind would say Benteke is the player we should sign?
122 Posted 24/07/2017 at 14:40:51
123 Posted 24/07/2017 at 14:41:12
I really think we should throw the kitchen sink at whoever they feel will do the best job. Dembele is available for £20m apparently surely a good punt?
124 Posted 24/07/2017 at 14:59:29
Finding reliable goal scorers is hard to do. I'd be happy with Giroud, or maybe even Perez. I think Dembele looks a touch raw to me and would prefer Iheanacho personally who at least has some Premier League experience.
125 Posted 24/07/2017 at 15:22:51
Strong, fast and mobile, I think he would fit in well if we could tempt him away.
126 Posted 24/07/2017 at 15:26:08
127 Posted 24/07/2017 at 15:31:48
I've been hoping for Batshuayi since before the window opened but I think there's very little chance of Chelsea selling him unless Costa stays or they sign another high profile striker, neither of which looks very likely.He's been in good form for them pre-season and seems happy enough to play 2nd fiddle to Morata who he might fancy his chance against.
Fingers crossed though as I think he's exactly what we need, fast but can hold onto it and scores pretty consistently. I'd throw the Sigurdsson fee at Chelsea for him and see if they're tempted; they can have Niasse in the bargain too if they want!
128 Posted 24/07/2017 at 15:38:26
I've been hoping we would have thrown our hat in the ring last year to get him whilst we knew Lukaku would be off and when it looked like he was going to West Ham.
Costa still hasn't actually left in the week moving to August so fingers crossed.
He would be my top pick; I'd get really excited if he was the spearhead of our new-look team.
129 Posted 24/07/2017 at 15:55:15
Him and Glyfi would be magic.
130 Posted 24/07/2017 at 15:59:33
Sandro and Dembele would drag defences all over the place! If I could find the £24.99m I'm short, I'd buy him for us myself!
131 Posted 24/07/2017 at 17:05:34
Stop thinking of Everton being the club they were 10 or even 5 years ago. That is not where this club is now. We are meant to be competing at the very top. To do so we need to be signing players who are able to do so. That's honestly my hesitation about Sigurdsson. But at least he's the best player on his team. Benteke isn't even the best player on a mediocre Crystal Palace side, after failing miserably at our neighbours. If we're signing anyone from Palace I would hope it would be Zaha.
In any case, my point is that this obsession with needing a big target man needs to stop. I used Aguero as the example because he is not a big target man, he is far better. That is the type of player we should be going after to be up top with Sandro. Skillful and quick with the ball. Not Belgium's 3rd or maybe 4th choice forward.
132 Posted 24/07/2017 at 17:20:10
Man City don't need a big man because they have so much possession that they can other forward players to support Aguero, who incidentally is strong as an ox and very good at holding onto the ball. Mourinho on the other hand likes to play more direct so had Ibrahmimovich holding the ball up last season (good luck expecting Lukaku to do the same thing as well!).
We often struggle to get forward players up to support quickly and that may be why Koeman has oft favoured a bigger striker, in order to hold the ball up and allow support time to arrive. I agree with you about Benteke (and I also think we need more pace in wide areas) but I can see how a big man might suit Koeman's game plan and surely player acquisition has to be tailored to the managers planned tactics.
Also worth noting that Costa and Kane are both pretty big units and good at holding the ball up too, as is Morata. My ideal would be for someone quick and strong. Like Batshuayi. Who would you advocate as a target?
133 Posted 24/07/2017 at 17:25:06
Man City, Liverpool and Arsenal, with 'proper' footballers playing upfront, were lagging behind them.
There is no precedent in English football history for a successful side not having a 'target man'.
134 Posted 24/07/2017 at 17:37:04
Kane and Costa do not operate as "big target men", simply feeding off of lumped balls in the air. That is my point. It's not about size, it's about what people are calling out for and a method of play that comes with it. Kane isn't sitting up top and holding up play, just feeding off of crosses sent high into the box for him to get a head on. And nor is Costa, not at all.
Kane receives the ball to his feet, plays in the channels, one twos with Ali or Eriksen. Costa plays with the ball at his feed, playing one twos with Hazard and Pedro. Their height isn't what they build their games on, far from it.
Benteke on the other hand is reliant on his height. His game is about trying to get on the end of crosses which is a statistically poor way of playing football. Don't believe me? Compare England with their reliance on the "get it wide and cross it" tactics for decades with Germany and Spain relying on playing the ball to feet and overwhelming the defense.
Kane's goals, when not being from a penalty, are from his feet. He's actually scored more penalties than goals with his head. Costa has score 5 goals via header with Chelsea, compared to 48 with his feet. They aren't seen as big target men nor do they play that way. They play as strikers, demanding the ball to be played to their feet and scoring goals with their feet. Benteke is as far from that as it gets.
135 Posted 24/07/2017 at 17:52:24
Target men that rely solely on the ability to head are not enough in this league today, but it's certainly a worthwhile tool to have in the armoury.
136 Posted 24/07/2017 at 18:03:12
137 Posted 24/07/2017 at 18:16:12
To be fair to Benteke, he is a lot better on the ground than he is given credit for but would not be my preferred choice...
138 Posted 24/07/2017 at 18:31:37
Telegraph this time.
139 Posted 24/07/2017 at 18:32:56
140 Posted 24/07/2017 at 18:36:14
Centre-forward next, please.
141 Posted 24/07/2017 at 18:37:48
Last time they turned it down flat so let's see what happens this time. Might put the fee up to £55m this time.
142 Posted 24/07/2017 at 18:42:47
Let's box this off now and get a Number 1 striker in.
143 Posted 24/07/2017 at 18:43:01
144 Posted 24/07/2017 at 18:43:26
Regarding your smart comment about my description of Sigurdsson, I was replying to earlier comments that said he was a playmaker, and worked back. Try reading all the comments, I do know what he offers.
145 Posted 24/07/2017 at 18:49:05
The tactic may well pay off but, if we look 'short' in the early Europa League games, the later weeks of August will see us scrapping with others to sign the likes of Benteke.
146 Posted 24/07/2017 at 18:54:48
A fair few of his signings have had Premier League experience up to now. It will be interesting to see how it unfolds this time.
147 Posted 24/07/2017 at 19:11:21
In many ways I feel sorry for Man Utd in that they have bought a magnificent player but they must ensure that their game revolves not around just getting the ball to Lukaku (as ours did) but to harnessing Lukaku so that he supplements the skills of others like Rashford and Martial.
148 Posted 24/07/2017 at 19:12:54
If you think a front line of midgets is the way to go, good luck. :)
"Kane's goals, when not being from a penalty, are from his feet."
What does he take his penalties with? :O
149 Posted 24/07/2017 at 19:16:38
Hopefully sooner rather than later, because I keep looking at those first six games and thinking that's a big test of the new set-up.
150 Posted 24/07/2017 at 19:18:37
151 Posted 24/07/2017 at 19:47:36
Holding out for £50m or posturing? What does Sigurdsson think, I wonder?
152 Posted 24/07/2017 at 19:55:20
We will be a better side without Lukaku even though he is sublime. We made the mistake of basing our game on only getting the ball to him but the real solution is using Lukaku as a means of distributing the ball to others.
The fault is not Lukaku but how he is used.
153 Posted 24/07/2017 at 20:04:11
154 Posted 24/07/2017 at 20:05:26
Swansea haven't bought anyone so far and I'm sure they think they will be in another relegation fight this season. As the best player they have and probably their best bet to keep them up, if I was them, I wouldn't sell him at any price.
Maybe we should look for other alternatives.
155 Posted 24/07/2017 at 20:15:04
156 Posted 24/07/2017 at 20:30:46
157 Posted 24/07/2017 at 20:33:37
158 Posted 24/07/2017 at 20:38:26
159 Posted 24/07/2017 at 20:45:30
I stated previously that the old Everton prolonged negotiations trying to save money; this new Everton hierarchy are supposed to be more ambitious and aggressive, and I am sure for £40 mill, there must be someone else that can make as much improvement in the team as Sigurdsson could . Either shit or get off the pot.
160 Posted 24/07/2017 at 20:47:33
I would have thought the one position that we have plenty of choice in, it's midfield.
161 Posted 24/07/2017 at 20:49:10
All of our transfers up to this point have been seamless. It's frustrating as we need to get this one over the line so that we can put all our efforts into bringing in a striker before the Stoke match.
In fairness to Swansea, they are just sticking to their guns. It's £50 million or piss off. We need to decide on one or the other asap.
162 Posted 24/07/2017 at 20:50:30
But for so long we've been the Swansea watching other clubs circle our best talent like vultures. It always annoyed me how teams like Chelsea and Man City bullied other teams into selling them their players, no matter how much they overpaid.
I know it's probably idealistic to expect Everton not to act in that way with the way football is these days now we have a bit of money, but I've always liked the fact that we conducted ourselves in the right way. I think other fans do too. I just hope we don't let the money change that or us too much.
163 Posted 24/07/2017 at 20:57:31
I guess those ilk of players don't want to come to us but nonetheless, I feel our resources (which are not unlimited before people start up with the 'it's not my money' idiocy) could be better spent elsewhere.
164 Posted 24/07/2017 at 20:59:07
I also think Smalling at £10m is a bargain, still only 27, he could yet join as we have the Funes Mori problem to contend with and it's a problem, otherwise Ronald would not have been trying Besic there as cover.
Expect the squad to be trimmed also, as Ronald has said the current squad is too large to be managed effectively; therefore ,they will be some money coming back in and the wage bill trimmed.
165 Posted 24/07/2017 at 21:03:03
It's Everton who are playing games, not Swansea.
If you want him, pay the fee. These are not for budging by the look of it.
166 Posted 24/07/2017 at 21:07:32
167 Posted 24/07/2017 at 21:22:54
There are plenty of players out there just as good for a lot less. If he really wants the move, it's down to the player to do a Lukaku and force the move.
168 Posted 24/07/2017 at 21:28:44
Personally I would offer Leicester £80m for Vardy and Mahrez or £60m for Mahrez and Slimani.
Other than that, a tempting punt for Dembele and call it a day and tell Barkley he has to step up if he wants to regain his England place.
Mind you, I wouldn't mind Matuidi joining the squad either.
169 Posted 24/07/2017 at 21:29:51
170 Posted 24/07/2017 at 21:47:55
Those slide rule passes will hand Sandro 20 goals on a plate this season. If I'm wrong, I'll come on here in May and you can all throw poo at me.
171 Posted 24/07/2017 at 21:52:17
It seems daft to haggle over £5m now – but I'd rather see the club get two £25m slight gambles in.
172 Posted 24/07/2017 at 21:52:29
I think we need to see this one through as it's sets the tone and shows everyone that we are now serious players.
173 Posted 24/07/2017 at 21:52:39
And let's face it we stole Sandro from Malaga for nothing, £5.2m. In fact we all know his real value it's closer to £25m in the current market.
Divide the total fees of both players and you get £25-27m players. We haven't over spent regardless.
174 Posted 24/07/2017 at 21:53:07
I have to say, I don't like being on the other side either. If we really want him, pay up. If we aren't prepared to pay what they want, walk away. Can't say I would be comfortable if the player forces the move.
175 Posted 24/07/2017 at 22:06:15
176 Posted 24/07/2017 at 22:12:52
This may be okay for Man City but we don't have an oil rich nation state bankrolling us. We need at this point to walk away, pick up our other targets then return to test Swansea's resolve closer to or on deadline day with an offer that is marginally higher than our existing offer.
177 Posted 24/07/2017 at 22:13:50
178 Posted 24/07/2017 at 22:18:21
179 Posted 24/07/2017 at 22:22:18
180 Posted 24/07/2017 at 22:22:44
I agree with you 99%, James. I'd leave it late and return to tell them the offer we've just made still stands. Wouldn't offer another penny personally.
181 Posted 24/07/2017 at 22:28:02
The striker I would target would be Inaki Williams from Bilbao. This fella is young, quick and direct. Also he would be a help with Sandro and along with Rooney would make a fearsome front 3.
182 Posted 24/07/2017 at 22:29:34
Spend the money on a high-class striker.
183 Posted 24/07/2017 at 22:30:51
Manu Trigueres (Villarreal);
Jean Micheal Seri (Nice);
Asier Illaramendi (Real Sociedad).
184 Posted 24/07/2017 at 22:31:49
185 Posted 24/07/2017 at 22:34:24
186 Posted 24/07/2017 at 22:37:15
£45 million is too much for a near 28-year-old.
I'd rather spend the money on the best striker available and keep Ross Barkley.
187 Posted 24/07/2017 at 22:38:20
188 Posted 24/07/2017 at 22:38:26
189 Posted 24/07/2017 at 22:40:49
190 Posted 24/07/2017 at 22:44:40
191 Posted 24/07/2017 at 22:52:34
Swansea are adopting the same strategy and the club need to recognise this and not be drawn in. We need to box clever and play dirty. Make it clear we are still keen, ensuring the player remains unsettled, and then Swansea will cave... provided the revised offer can be dressed up as an improved offer, so as to save face for them which is an important factor in these very public pursuits.
192 Posted 24/07/2017 at 22:53:16
193 Posted 24/07/2017 at 22:53:26
I just think this is madness. I'm sure we can get much better. Someone made a good call on Goetze or even Max Meyer.
We need two fast wingers who can cross the ball and a big mobile striker who knows where the net is.
194 Posted 24/07/2017 at 22:57:21
Sigurdsson stood out for a relegation threatened team, not in that class.
195 Posted 24/07/2017 at 23:00:48
If the Swans are digging in that much, move on. There has to be a similar quality player for less cash, surely!
C'mon Blues either pay the man or go elsewhere. Time to show we mean business either way.
196 Posted 24/07/2017 at 23:01:33
197 Posted 24/07/2017 at 23:01:39
198 Posted 24/07/2017 at 23:12:30
On the other hand, I think they're acting stubborn and short-sighted. Sigurdsson wants the move, we're already paying above market value and this romantic notion that Sigurdsson will single-handedly keep them from being relegated is foolish.
Yes, he was instrumental in them staying up this past season, but Swansea badly needs an influx of talent and £45-million, judiciously invested, could have a big impact. Unfortunately, holding on to a disgruntled player just to prove a point usually doesn't work out so well.
199 Posted 24/07/2017 at 23:15:33
200 Posted 24/07/2017 at 23:21:42
201 Posted 24/07/2017 at 23:55:47
Where they'll all end up, I don't know... but, if you really want a player, you will pay for him.
202 Posted 25/07/2017 at 00:37:42
Despite the negative press he gets on here, Barkley is a far better player.
203 Posted 25/07/2017 at 00:40:18
204 Posted 25/07/2017 at 00:57:53
205 Posted 25/07/2017 at 00:58:33
206 Posted 25/07/2017 at 01:20:29
This is the first real roadblock in the new transfer policy. If we move on from Sigurdsson then we will get the same resistance from the next club.
We have neither the international reach or status to get close to attracting the fantasy players people post as alternatives.
We cannot buy 'top six' players but we can buy other teams best players and take players surplus to requirements at the top six. To date I think the strategy has been sound, nothing to complain about – even if its costs us £50m for Sigurdsson.
Anyone really thing for we could have bought Lacazette, Silva, Mendy or Walker? They are not even in the highest bracket of player. Same value as Sigurdsson.
We will pay over the odds, and for sometime yet.
Look at Man City – still overpaying despite a couple of league titles and regular Champion League footy, but attracting a better calibre of player.
The improvements we are making a incremental and in overall depth.
As for Swansea, nothing no more than they should do, good on them for sticking to their guns. Everton have done much the same having been in their position with one Wayne Rooney.
207 Posted 25/07/2017 at 01:43:10
So, for the £90-odd million previously spent, our billionaire shareholder will, as suggested by Don Alexander on the Genk thread, have high expectations for the coming season.
208 Posted 25/07/2017 at 01:45:42
He (reputedly) got offered the best deal in Everton's 139-year history and turned it down. After doing what?
Fuck off... better deal. Jesus.
209 Posted 25/07/2017 at 02:03:56
210 Posted 25/07/2017 at 02:17:08
What did Koeman say about position? What about playing time?
I have heard that Koeman has told Barkley he's on the bench, and that's why Barkley wants out. It's nothing to do with wages. He wants to play and he wants to play off the striker not on the wing.
211 Posted 25/07/2017 at 02:31:17
I think Koeman hasn't handled it as well as he could publically but I sense he got completely frustrated with him. And as a result he's told Barkley he's on the bench.
I don't blame him, I would have benched him too with the way he's played and in my view it should be up to Barkley to prove he's good enough to start. But instead he's chosen to leave. That says more about Barkley's fight & desire more than anything else.
212 Posted 25/07/2017 at 03:31:16
1. Koeman is Koeman and a straightforward guy. Like him or hate him. Alex Ferguson was a techy old guy who not everyone liked, including his players, but he got the job done very well. I'm hoping they have similarities to benefit Everton.
2. Some people are saying 'poor old Swansea getting robbed of their best players'. I think a quick look at Swansea's transfer negotiations will reveal that they have used their Premier League leverage to pluck players from teams who didn't want them to go. Up the pecking order we go and those scruples might go with our rise.
213 Posted 25/07/2017 at 04:22:05
If true just another facet of a player not willing to play for his place. No player in that team is goona be a cert each week to play.
214 Posted 25/07/2017 at 04:33:01
1. Striker, Quoted on Sky Sports yesterday that Marseille were in talks for Dembele for £20 million. That is a steal if that's the price he goes for.
2. Right winger. Pacey winger that can cross a ball and can dribble.
3. Left back, backup to Baines or replacement for Baines.
4. Keep Barkley, he would benefit greatly from Rooney's experience.
Reference Barkley though, I personally think it's too late. I think his minds made up.
I'm not having a go at Koeman, but I think the whole saga with Barkley could have been handled better last season. I personally think Koeman doesn't fancy him and has gradually been pushing him out.
I mean publicly calling him out and dropping him on several occasions for bad games whilst most of the team had lots of bad performances were not treated the same.
Again, me personally, but if that was me, I'd feel like I was being unfairly treated and want to leave.
215 Posted 25/07/2017 at 04:46:30
The whole point of being a top player and winning things is having the stomach for a fight not acting like a child that's just been scolded and says he wants new parents.
Barkley has great technical ability but, as has been proven over the last 4 years, he is inconsistent and lets his head go down.
For me, him and Lukaku, with their extremely poor work rate and gifting the opposition the ball, more often than not, were holding the team back not leading it.
Time will tell if I am right or wrong but that's my view.
As regards Sigurdsson, I would sooner put that £50m towards attracting a world class centre-forward.
216 Posted 25/07/2017 at 05:47:45
I was going to add this at the end of my last post.
Not once last season when he was dropped by Koeman, did he throw a tantrum. He just gone on with it, he didn't mention once that he wanted to move on to get Champions League football.
Reference contract being offered to him, not once has Everton him or Koeman publicly mentioned the exact wages being offered to him. It's all media guesswork so far, it's all media speculation about the interest from other clubs coming in for him too.
The thing that annoys me most about this whole thing, is the fact that his contract wasn't sorted out last summer. Your best players, I mean the players that are an asset financially, should not be allowed to run down their contract.
2-3 years ago, their were rumours that Man City were going to bid £50 million for him. Chances are, he'll go on a free next year.
I also think Everton will finally pay the £50 million for Sigurdsson at the expense of not strengthening other key areas which are in more desperate need of strengthening.
217 Posted 25/07/2017 at 09:05:21
Barkley clearly divides opinion but I bet, if you took a straw poll of Evertonians, more would prefer he stay than we sign Sigurdsson.
I also think there would be a significant camp who feel Barkley is the superior player, and apparently Potchettino is one of them as presumably Spurs would be trying to sign Sigurdsson if that was not the case.
218 Posted 25/07/2017 at 13:02:57
Give him a medal and a 30% salary increase immediately.
219 Posted 28/07/2017 at 11:46:15
Oppenheimer manager on TalkSport said that Everton should beat yesterday's team 4-1/ 5-1. Of Sigurdsson, said manager said he is simply a brilliant player; that Tottenham made a serious mistake letting him go to Swansea. I believe this manager also said of Sigurdsson; that he could not even get into the first team at one point; now he has been excelling for the last 4 years. Just pay it and reorganise that team.
Rooney's problems were made obvious as he is clearly out of relative position now.
220 Posted 28/07/2017 at 11:52:07
221 Posted 28/07/2017 at 12:03:23
"If you took a straw poll of Evertonians, more would prefer he stay than we sign Sigurdsson."
That could very well be true. But it would be based on two big factors. One, Barkley is seen through blue tinted glasses far too often by some. Two, Sigurdsson isn't worth £50m. I'd be willing to bet more people would want Sigurdsson if he was more of a reasonable price.
"I also think there would be a significant camp who feel Barkley is the superior player." He is a superior player, ability wise. He's superior to a lot of players if it was based purely on that. But he isn't a superior player for overall consistency, application, team working and working hard, so in my book Sigurdsson is a far better overall player.
"apparently Potchettino is one of them as presumably Spurs would be trying to sign Sigurdsson if that was not the case.' The same Potchettino who recently admitted selling Sigurdsson was a mistake? And I'm also reading he thinks Barkley can play in a deeper role. We know he can't, he hasn't got the discipline and Potchettino will find out the hard way if he tries.
Contrary to my posts, I actually do rate Barkley as a decent player. In my heart, I would like him to stay as a squad player to see what he can do without just having Lukaku for support but it's gone too far now. And then my head tells me he's been very average for the majority of the last 3 seasons. He should be kicking on. He should be running games at his age with his ability. He's not, and is not even close to it.
I've said it numerous times. If Barkley was from anywhere else except the city, very few fans would give a stuff about him leaving but the blue tinted glasses cloud things too much.
222 Posted 28/07/2017 at 12:03:45
Sandro is young but that kid's passion, energy, and ambition is exciting. Rooney does not have what it takes for midfield... he could barely lift his leg in the warm-up.
I am not an expert on Everton. However, the fact Lukaku has gone for the Man Utd money - who never did anything besides score or assist, we need an established striker.
Were it not for Baines's excellent goal, notwithstanding the opposition's clear and obvious threats, we would have been far worse off. Lookman is a special talent albeit still developing.
223 Posted 28/07/2017 at 15:34:20
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225 Posted 29/07/2017 at 07:41:35
From both the Club perspective (quality squad depth) and player perspective (wanting to play in Europe). So after next Thursday expect a flurry of activity or not, as the case may be.
226 Posted 29/07/2017 at 11:08:10
If Everton just would have accepted the inflated £50 million for Sigurdsson, then the other teams would not have had the opportunity. Lukaku was never worth £90; 75; 50 million even – but it's the game! If you say Lukaku is worth £75 or 90 mill., then every other top 6 team is saying, well ours must also be worth X amount; so it creates player value inflation.
Everton do not seem to have foresight to make decisions when necessary. If we lose Siggs to Liverpool or whomever else, that's our own greed in this inflated value time.
227 Posted 29/07/2017 at 11:14:42
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229 Posted 29/07/2017 at 12:18:47
230 Posted 29/07/2017 at 12:40:31
I think there could be more than enough games to go round for the squad with a bit of luck.
Reports saying Newcastle interested in McCarthy and Niasse. The Fat Spanish Waiter obviously knows something!
231 Posted 29/07/2017 at 13:28:11
In Rooney and Klaassen we already have slow(ish) central attacking players in the team for their vision, passing and ability to score from behind the striker.
Sigurdsson is a different player in many ways but still will not offer the pace in behind that I think we need more of to bring balance.
Plus, surely signing a striker must be a priority! Rooney is not a frontline striker any more which leaves us only the promising but mostly untested Sandro and Calvert-Lewin. I'd be much happier about signing Giroud or another top striker than Sigurdsson.
232 Posted 29/07/2017 at 13:38:33
The fact we appear to be after Sigurdsson shouldn't stop us pursuing a centre-forward too should it? It's probably more about availability and suitability. They're few and far between too.
We certainly need one!
233 Posted 29/07/2017 at 13:42:49
Pace will have to come elsewhere and I would be looking for a striker who has it, lots of it. I also wanted Giroud but Thursday confirmed that, as well as lacking creativity, our lack of pace is alarming.
234 Posted 29/07/2017 at 13:52:28
I have some faith in Koeman but I do feel unsure as to the balance of our team currently. If Sigurdsson was always our first target then it makes the Rooney move all the more strange to me in terms of first team places.
Hopefully it all makes more sense at the end of the transfer window and more importantly at the end of the season.
235 Posted 29/07/2017 at 14:01:52
236 Posted 29/07/2017 at 15:47:50
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