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Everton 'make contact' with Tuchel

| Monday, 23 October 2017  90 Comments  [Jump to last]
Everton have made former Mainz and Borussia Dortmund boss Thomas Tuchel their top candidate to replace Ronald Koeman according to a tabloid report.

The Mirror make the claim that the club have already contacted representatives of the 44-year-old German who has recently been in talks with Bayern Munich about possibly succeeding Carlo Ancelotti there.

Tuchel garnered attention from the wider football world when he transformed Mainz and that earned him a plumb role at Dortmund.

Despite winning the DFB-Pokal trophy and guiding them to the Champions League quarter finals, he parted company with that club in May after falling out the Dortmund hierarchy over transfer policy and apparent discord with some parts of the playing squad.

Tuchel reportedly rejected advances from West Ham last month when they were first exploring alternatives to under-fire manager, Slaven Bilic.

The same report says that Everton are also interested in talking to Burnley manager Sean Dyche and Watford boss Marco Silva.



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Andy Williams
1 Posted 23/10/2017 at 22:57:35
Why did he fall out with the hierarchy? Somebody reported that he was also cold and distant - like Koeman. Don't care as long as he knows what he is doing. Just read that he had an old school deputy that was hated by the players and was asked to leave before Tuchel. However, the reports re his coaching look very (positively) interesting
Jack Convery
2 Posted 23/10/2017 at 23:04:41
Manager must get on with the squad.
Richard Lord
3 Posted 23/10/2017 at 23:10:02
Hopefully just paper talk, the last thing we need is another manager who can't get on with the players...
Tony Everan
4 Posted 23/10/2017 at 23:11:23
It is important he wants to come with his heart and soul , and not just with financial motivation. Otherwise will will have another Koeman situation.

If he can convince us he has the passion for the job and instil should it in the players I will be happy. Above all get us winning and scoring ,I would not be bothered if he was a misery guts.

Robin Cannon
5 Posted 23/10/2017 at 23:14:18
@Richard Lord (3) - To be fair, the "can't get on with the players" is as much paper talk as rumours of our contacting him.
Derek Knox
6 Posted 23/10/2017 at 23:15:28
I sincerely hope the next appointment will be well thought out, before we risk, surely not, a repetition of the Koeman fiasco.

I will be totally honest, until very recently, I had never heard of Thomas Tuchel, and that was because of TW when it became apparent that Koeman, was well out of his depth.

Obviously I have done a little homework since then, and I believe although he would be an improvement on Koeman, still represents something of a risk. Before I get jumped on, he is ambitious, but his CV would suggest another 'nearly man', maybe I am wrong but who knows for sure?

Joseph Terrence
7 Posted 23/10/2017 at 23:17:14
Andy, Tuchel is very much in the Koeman mold in terms of (a lack of) man management skills. He lost the locker room at Dortmund as he wouldn't accommodate senior players (Sahin and Schmeltzer went on the record to criticize him). The results speak for themselves though.

He is a great tactician and his managerial record is with Dortmund was good both domestically and in the champions league. He's proven in a high pressure management environment, but sadly I cannot see him coming here.

He would be a bit of a risk, but one I think is worth taking and I would love to be proven wrong about him not coming.

Shaun McGough
8 Posted 23/10/2017 at 23:24:32
Anyone know Jim White's number at Sky Sports? Surely he will already have the answer not us mere fans.

Only want to see if he will get involved in massive plunder down the bookies.
Dermot O'Brien
9 Posted 23/10/2017 at 23:26:40
The same Mirror that had Moyes in the running yesterday.
Keith Monaghan
10 Posted 23/10/2017 at 23:35:01
Be bold and go for a man with a proven pedigree and knowledge of the Premier League and the area – Rafa Benitez. Would be capable of bringing us straight back up if we do go down.
And get Kenwright out – we must toughen up as a club and not be a soft touch in transfer dealings with the likes of Man Utd.

Brian Porter
11 Posted 23/10/2017 at 23:42:20
Bloody awful choice. He's basically Koeman with a German accent.
Andrew James
12 Posted 23/10/2017 at 23:53:12
Tuchel is a good manager and maybe he might have learned from his errors at Dortmund. But not sure we want to follow the trend of our loveable neighbours and Huddersfield.

Paul Birmingham
13 Posted 24/10/2017 at 01:23:06
Let’s take a review and use some science to decide you cuts it at EFC. The next boss.


This is the last straw, and no more doll drum years maligned.

Phil Sammon
14 Posted 24/10/2017 at 02:27:40
Just seen that Ryan Giggs is interested in the role. Hopefully that's not even on the radar. Zero managerial credentials... or personality. No thanks!
Sean McCarthy
15 Posted 24/10/2017 at 02:33:20
Benitez won't come to Everton. His close links to the Hilsborough group as well as his general affinity to Liverpool fans would rule that out. Not to mention the fact that he would walk over coals if he was offered a return to Anfield suggests that he wouldn't want to ruin any of that by coming to Everton

Dyche is this years flavour of the month. Just as Howe was 12 months ago. I hope the board show more ambition that that!! Ian Wright made a good point about appointing Unsworth. If it didn't work out you run the risk of losing him from the club all together at a time when he is instrumental in bringing through some of (allegedly) the best young talent in the premier league. At the same time I'm sure Rhino would love the chance at the top job. Not sure he's the "Hollywood" name Moshiri is likely to be after tho

Richard Lyons
16 Posted 24/10/2017 at 06:25:19
My choices, in order of preference:
1. Marco Silva
2. Thomas Tuchel
...and that's it...

Can't think of anyone else.

Definitely no to Benitez, Moyes, Dyche and Howe... Please, NO!

Salim Abdul
17 Posted 24/10/2017 at 08:22:45
Hi All, My first post on TW, I've been an Evertonian since 1984 (FA Cup Final).

I wouldn't mind Tuchel, Mancini, or Manuel Pellegrini as a long-term, but not Howe, Dyche, Moyes or Big Sam – what have the likes of these guys done apart from keeping them up?

Is that how we all see Everton? Just as long as we're in Premier League?

Go for the big names, Koeman was not a big name (as a player, Yes... as a Manager, No), if it's until the end of the season, then give it to Hiddink with Unsworth as his Number 2.

Erik Dols
18 Posted 24/10/2017 at 08:33:31
If we're going German, I would love Nagelsmann from Hoffenheim. Got them to 4th in the German League with an average squad, and had a good start to this season already, again lying 4th - despite the distractions from European football.
Bobby Mallon
19 Posted 24/10/2017 at 08:38:59
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Wilder#Management_career

Here you go this is the man for the job his record is great forget the team names he’s done it and is still doing it

Paul Hay
20 Posted 24/10/2017 at 08:44:20
Given BK's guiding hand over transfer policy, I don't think that this one will have much mileage.
Michael Archer
21 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:16:50
Nobody mentioning David Wagner of Huddersfield as an outside bet.
Victor Yu
22 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:24:24
Erik (#17),

If he is in Europe and his team is lying 4th, then why would he come to us?

Andy Williams
23 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:46:55
Cheers Joseph #7. It is good to read some considered opinion. It is very difficult in the heat of this moment to not get caught up in immediate emotional responses to prospective candidates.
Colin Glassar
24 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:49:55
Noooooooooooooooooo, it has to be Pip Neville. He’s Blue through and through, has a big personality, is an Everton legend, was a brill coach at Man U and in Spain, has film star looks, natty dresser, inspirational voice, prefers cricket to football, would buy loads of manc rejects, supports Bury F.C. , would employ Moyesie as an advisor etc .what’s not to like? Pip Neville for me.
Craig Walker
25 Posted 24/10/2017 at 09:50:13
Ancelotti or Benitez for me. We need to stop thinking like a small club and get winners who are tactically astute. I'd like Ancelotti but I'm not sure he would come to us.

Benitez managed the RS: so what? He called us a small club but let's give him the chance to win something here. There's no loyalty in football anyway - Rooney was kissing the United badge and Lukaku was kissing the EFC badge not too long ago. He won La Liga with Valencia. The CL and FA cup with the RS. Got them to the CL final another time. He won the Europa with Chelsea and the Coppa Italia with Napoli. He took Newcastle back up when everyone said he wouldn't stay. I read Howard Kendall's biography a few years back and he tried to sign Ian Rush from Juventus. It never happened but we'd have probably gone on to win more if we'd have put our prejudices aside.

Dyche and Silva are flavour of the month but the PL is littered with managers who had one or two good seasons and then faded: Burley, Curblishley, McLeish, etc. When we got Martinez, Malky McKay was in the running.

This next appointment is crucial to Everton. We can't keep wasting money on compensation, wages and pay-offs.

Sam Hoare
26 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:03:39
I don't massively care that the manager gets on with the players so long as they buy into what he is doing and get results. Its not like Martinez' nicey-nicey routine worked a treat...

Tuchel looks a good manager to me with more tactical awareness than Koeman and far fewer blips on his CV. His last season with Dortmund was perhaps underwhelming but they still won the cup and played some great football at times. I think he'd do for me.

My first pick though would probably be Marco Silva.

He's more than 'flavour of the season' in that he's had 3 or 4 very good years before coming to the Premiership. In fact he's fairly unique in that he has improved every club that he has been with. Admittedly he's still quite young but still he's been at 5 clubs and done good work at all of them so far. Perhaps a downside is that he has not stayed long at any of them and so there is no evidence of him being able to build a long term project.

I'd also consider Benitez if he were interested but i'm not sure he is. Newcastle are doing well and there's a good chance they are about to receive a substantial new investment and transfer chest.

As Erik Dols says Nagelsmann is another interesting prospect though very fresh.

I wonder if Klopp got fired would anyone take a punt on him?

Daniel Lim
27 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:35:44
If Klopp got fired I reckon Moshiri should take a punt on him, hire him let him start a circus and he be the clown.
His circus need to perform before every home game.


I will make it a point to bring my son every year to watch our home game during Christmas period.

Ian Fisher
28 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:37:52
Michel Preud'homme is worth a look. Great record in Belgium and has won a few trophies in his time.

He's a free agent at the moment.

Another name to throw into the hat.

Roy Steel
29 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:40:47
If Everton appoint that back-stabbing ginger scumbag Moyes, then I promise I'll turn my back on the team I've loved and supported since 1968.

If he turned up at Goodison I would charge him admission money... better still, I wouldn't let the bastard in, full stop.

Fuck you, Moyes – Ferguson's bum boy.

Kevin O'Regan
30 Posted 24/10/2017 at 10:48:51
Forget Ancelotti please > if he was a disaster at Bayern why should he be a success at Everton ? Too old and to tired and uninterested.
Tuchel would be a good choice in my opinion.
Nagelsmann would be a long shot since he's being primed for Bayern sooner or later. But person should be young and energetic and have a clue. Tuchel fits that bill.
James Morgan
31 Posted 24/10/2017 at 11:23:21
Why Marco Silva over Dyche? I just don’t get it. Dyche has proven himself over a few years now in English football, has improved himself as a manager year on year and has his players playing without fear against the big boys.
Tuchel is a bigger gamble in my eyes.
Colin Glassar
32 Posted 24/10/2017 at 12:08:01
Vo’C, says Tuchel has told the club he would be interested.
Steve Ferns
33 Posted 24/10/2017 at 12:52:30
Tuchel could be the German Koeman in that he is a bit too cold. He's a deep thinker on the game, a fantastic tactician. Unlike Koeman he has a Plan A, a Plan B and Plan C. I think he probably could keep going down the alphabet if needs be.

Tuchel is keen on us. He is damaged goods now. The golden child got sacked, don't forget, so the shine has come off him. He needs a club like Everton to do well at to re-establish himself if he is to ever get back to the elite level. I also think he's one who may well stay for 10 years plus if circumstances align like they did for Moyes.

The down side is the rumours of his fallouts with players. Now the question is, is this because he was trying to get rid of players who are like Ashley Williams and need to be shifted on but carry to much clout in the dressing room, or is it because of trying to get rid of players like Koeman did with Barkley because they didn't kiss his arse?

This is something the board need to do their homework on and to quiz him on at length in the interview. Ask him how he would have dealt with Barkley, how he can ship out the likes of Jags and Williams over the next 6 to 18 months without creating issues.

This is a very difficult process each candidate has a flaw, such as:

Tuchel - man-management
Bielsa - too old, lost his energy, can't speak English
Silva - still unproven as yet to complete 12 months
Fonseca - went to Russia because he failed
Nagelsmann - very young, still in his first job, supposedly wants Bayern
Allardyce - too old, too long-ball, questionable transfers (alleged bungs)
Dyche - unproven at the top level, too defensive
Howe - struggling this season, too open, unproven at the top level
Ancelotti - lost energy, questions over coaching, players at Bayern lacked fitness
Unsworth - unproven, more or less a completely unknown quantity
Moyes - lost aura, failed at last 3 jobs, none of the key players who remain are his so doesn't know the team really
Giggs - shouldn't even be considered
P. Neville - failed coach, unproven

It's a hard, hard choice. No one jumps out at me. I want Silva, but as I said elsewhere, I thought Koeman would recover (a few weeks back) and hang on and limp on until the end of the season. I would then have sat him down and asked him to explain to me how he can suddenly complete his project and land us top 4 after a failed or stuttered season. By this time, Silva would have done 18 months in English football and could be probably assessed. Watford would let him go for a good fee, and he would surely come, as Watford is a selling club (run to make money for the Pozzos from player sales) and so you cannot be there for long.

Nagelsmann is the wildcard here. If Leicester really do have a shot at getting him, then why not go wave the cheque book at him. This lad is a tactical genius. He plays an interesting back 6, with an attacking deep playmaker, attacking wingbacks, and the front two and the midfield two are all very fluid and interchangeable. He would be very interesting to say the least. He is supposed to be building a home in Munich. Bayern are supposed to have got Heynckes in only because they wanted to get to the end of the season and then Nagelsmann will come, so I don't understand the sudden interest in Leicester. If there's a chance at this guy, we have to talk to him.

Amit Vithlani
34 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:04:01
Steve @ 28

"He needs a club like Everton to do well at to re-establish himself if he is to ever get back to the elite level. I also think he's one who may well stay for 10 years plus if circumstances align like they did for Moyes."

Sounds awfully like Tuchel using Everton as a platform and/or settling into the cosy set up Moyes had where he never rocked the boat on ambition whilst being allowed to convert us into a plucky outfit punching above our weight.

We do not need anyone using this club as a means of repairing their reputation, or with dreams of bobbing along without disturbing the old order.

It is time we appointed someone prepared to put their nuts on the line and fulfill their ambitions at this club.

James Marshall
35 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:06:07
All this stuff about 'getting' Everton, and actually being an Evertonian - does that help us as a club? Taking off the misty-eyed blue specs for a second, am I alone in thinking this romantic notion of Everton actually makes the managerial job, and to a certain extent, a member of the playing staff, more difficult for people?

I mean I 'know me 'istory' and all that, but the game has changed since Nil Satis etc, and we got left behind a long time ago - our stuffy little Everton way of thinking often feels like a hindrance to me.

I'm not talking about ignoring our past, but I am wondering about the way other clubs go about their (success laden) business. You look at City, Utd, Chelsea and see the way they bring in managers with a record of success, not a record of being part of the club, and it works for them.

After Moyes we had Bobby then Ron, and neither of them were 'accepted' as Evertonians by the crowd at games, or those who support from afar. Moyes was a lot more accepted in my view, and people enjoyed the majority of what he brought to our club (yes there were many filings as well).

Personally I was pretty happy with Koeman when he was appointed - it felt like a step towards a less old-school Everton, and a step towards a more professional, modern day approach. Now it hasn't worked out, I believe the next step is to look for a manager that has won things - not Sean Dyche. That just feels like small-time Everton thinking again. Reach higher, aim for a proven manager that's done it with teams bigger than ours (I know this rankles with people, but we're a mid table side at best for the last 25 years).

I want a big name, that's got that track record, and will continue to push Everton towards being a big name team - not a small name team picking up the crumbs from the second-tier table all the time.

James Stewart
36 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:17:54
My first choice would be Silva.

Dyche or Tuchel would be solid appointments though. All 3 are young, hungry and on the rise.

What I don't want is some relic looking for a final payday.

James Marshall
37 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:20:23
Stealing a manager away from a club where he was doing well was exactly what we did last time, and it went to shit. There's zero guarantee of taking someone like Silva, and it working out at Everton.

Why would the board attempt the same trick after getting burnt?

It has to be a proven winner for me. A winning mentality breeds a winning team - history has proven this to be the case.

Gordon Crawford
38 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:27:32
I want a Giggs Neville dream team. :p

Peter Warren
39 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:29:48
Unsure why everybody going on about Silva. Sean Dyche has proved himself, Silva just a punt.
Peter Laing
40 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:31:26
Given his previous association with Liverpool it’s hard to consider that Rafa Benitez would be a good fit for Everton. Would he consider jeopardising his relationship with the dark side and their irritant fan base ?
Putting that aside there is no doubting the man’s managerial credentials and success to date. He’s also not a players Manager and seemingly a bit of a cold fish in terms of his ruthless pursuit of success. Tuchel would be a gamble and if we are going down the route of master tactician my preference would be an approach for the tried and tested Benitez.

Barring that sticking with Unsworth until Christmas wouldn’t be a bad shout and we will see if he has the credentials to make the huge step up from the U23’s.

Gordon Crawford
41 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:32:31
In all seriousness we need a winner and a great tactician, they are very hard to come buy. So I don honestly know who we should go for. But this could be the biggest decision our club has made in 30+ years. I believe this will either make or break us. Get this wrong and I’m not sure there is a way back. Get it right and the world is our oyster.

Please get it right. 🙏🏻

Jim Knightley
42 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:34:01
How odd - wed have dyche - who has never managed at the top top level - like Moyes and Martinez, but some wouldnt have Tuchel? Who performed at dortmund fantastically, and played an energetic exciting brand of football, won things, and dealt with all manner of injury problems. It sounds all very small club mentality to me. Not that I think Dyche would be a bad acquisition, but he hasnt the top end experience and record of success and Burnley's football, despite the bullshit, is ugly.

And this man management rubbish is irritating - managers fall out with players and they are right to do so at points, although they must not alienate the dressing room. Ferguson, the best manager of the prem era, did it mulitple times. Pep has, Mourinho has (to his detriment unlike Pep). It is football. Do we want another Martinez in charge? It happens at the lower level too but it is discussed less because less people care.

Give unsworth a few weeks whilst we look at Silva, Tuchel, Ancelloti and Dyche. All would be improvements on Koeman and the first two would be more innovative than the latter. I don't see Silva coming though.

Gordon Crawford
43 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:37:01
Brian Clough fell out with more players that I’ve had dinners. But he was still a fantastic manager. I just don’t know enough of tuchel to say yes or no.
Tom Bowers
44 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:40:03
It's all trashy media speculation so let's just relax.
Things cannot get any worse under Unsy so hopefully they get a man who can raise the confidence levels initially. Unsy is an Everton man who has done well with the youngsters and they are the future anyway.
This German is an unknown quantity in England and may be a bigger risk than Koeman was.
Chris Cole
45 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:40:54
Anyone else remember Tuchel's Dortmund side collapse spectacularly across the road last year?

Dortmund were 1-3 up with 25 minutes left and lost 4-3.

Colin Glassar
46 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:50:59
Spot on Gordon. It’s not about being mates with the players, it’s about making them better players.

Clough was cold as was Catterick. Guardiola fell out with Ibra, Ronaldinho, Deco, E’too etc...but still got them winning everything under the sun until he moved them on. Fergie was great with his players until he realised they were on a downward spiral then he was ruthless eg Beckham, RVN, Keane etc No sentimentality with him.

I could go on but managers aren’t there to be friends with players. All this bs with players calling the manager by their first name, what happened to gaffer, boss, the manager etc...?

Alan J Thompson
47 Posted 24/10/2017 at 13:53:03
Gordon(#38); In Cloughie's day players couldn't walk out at the end of a contract, the club retained the registration but when he told Leeds players that the next time they won the title would be the first they didn't get by cheating. 44 days was it?
Mike Allison
48 Posted 24/10/2017 at 14:00:15
Dyche has proved himself as an underdog manager. His success has been all about making a smaller club with limited resources defensively sound and hard to beat. He gets his team punching above their weight and has been great for ‘plucky little’ Burnley.

Good luck to him, but it doesn’t feel like he’s the sort of manager that will turn Everton from nearly-men, top-of-the-also-rans into genuine contenders at the top table.

Colin Glassar
49 Posted 24/10/2017 at 14:01:24
After Leeds he went to Nottingham Forrest Alan and buried Leeds once and for all.
Gordon Crawford
50 Posted 24/10/2017 at 14:08:35
Very true Colin.
We need a manager who is first and foremost a manager. We don’t want one who is everyone’s friend or goes dancing at concerts. I want a manager who lives breathes the game.
That’s true Allan that players have much more power than at any other time in history. But do you really think that would matter to Cloughie, Catterick, Shankly or Ferguson? I don’t.
Yeah something like 44 days.
Fran Mitchell
51 Posted 24/10/2017 at 14:33:57
Tuchel would be great. He'd probably be here only 2 or 3 years, but he'd offer a dynamic and excitante style of play, he would trust and use the youth players we have and improve them.

Him, with Unsworth as no2 would be great. Unsworth could be 'groomed' to take over the reigns when Tuchel does leave.

The Hoffenheim manager, there is no chance. He is a Dead cert for the Bayern job.

Dyche, please no. Just another run of the mill, mid table 'Inglish' manager.

Howe, see above. Maybe will prove better, but should stay and Bournmouth for at least another year or two (see how he does with Bournmouth not expected to be relegated).

Ancelotti, top manager. Doubt he'd come, but would be a coup. People saying 'old', or 'past it', or 'tired' are very short sighted. Did anyone see Bayern dismantle Arsenal last year, 10-2 on aggregate? 58 isn't exactly old for a manager, he has 4 champions league medals, won league titles in Germany, Spain, Italy, France and England (basically everywhere he has gone). Ancelotti is, no doubt, the only superstar manager available, and the idea that some Everton fans, who in Ancelotti's 18 years of winning everything there is to be won as a manager, have seen Smith, Moyes, Martinez, and Koeman preside over our club, would say 'nah, past it' just amazes me. If he would come, there is no debate. If Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, City or any other top club currently had to hire a new manager, Ancelotti would be hired. Personally, think he'll be back at Milan soon enough, unfortunately.

Gordon Crawford
52 Posted 24/10/2017 at 14:46:36
Ancellotti won’t come here as he would have to dip into a piggy bank to buy players compared to the huge bank accounts he’s had at his disposal. Also all those clubs are well situated on the footballing map, we sadly are not. Then there is the fact that all his teams have had superstars in them. Doesn’t sound like Everton does it.
I rest my case.
James Marshall
53 Posted 24/10/2017 at 14:56:09
Dyche is just another small time manager at a small time club doing 'OK'.

Why on earth people want him in charge is beyond me. Think big, dream big, act big, make big appointments, and signings, build a big stadium etc. Otherwise it's just history repeating itself getting small club managers in to take on a job of making us a BIG team again.

I'm sick of this small minded thinking from our tinpot club - it permeates from top to bottom, and in that I include our loyal support. It really pisses me off.

James Marshall
54 Posted 24/10/2017 at 14:58:16
Also, let's not forget that Dyche also took Burnley down in 2014/2015. He's just ANOTHER relegation manager and people want THE BEST at Everton??

Seriously, it's beyond me.

James Marshall
55 Posted 24/10/2017 at 15:00:31
According to those famous 'Sky sources', Pellegrini is interested in speaking to Everton...and Leicester.

Tony Marsh
56 Posted 24/10/2017 at 15:04:17
Pellegrini is on £15.000.000 a year in China and would want similar here plus comp for his club. He can do one.
Kim Vivian
57 Posted 24/10/2017 at 19:27:08
This obviously doesn't say it all but re Tuchel's departure from BD...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/may/30/borussia-dortmund-sack-manager-thomas-tuchel-two-days-after-german-cup-win

Looks more like a spat with the hierarchy and doesn't say anything about player relations but we HAVE to do our homework. I've been leaning towards this guy if Rhino needs more time.

Soren Moyer
58 Posted 24/10/2017 at 19:44:13
Marco Silva could be the perfect replacement imo.
Colin Glassar
59 Posted 24/10/2017 at 20:50:54
Dyche is the next Owen Coyle. Left Burnley for a bigger club and got them relegated. Last heard of managing a team in the third tier in Alaska.
Paul Ellam
60 Posted 24/10/2017 at 21:15:46
Not sure what figures would be involved regarding compensation and contract but my first choice would be Pellegrini.
He has experience of the Premier League, experience of how to win in this country and his teams play a decent brand of football.
Less of a gamble than Tuchel, more likely to join than Ancelotti and more exciting than the likes of Dyche, Allardyce or Moyes.
Laurie Hartley
61 Posted 24/10/2017 at 21:38:22
Steve # 33 - after reading this BBC article about Watford, Silva would have to think long and hard about his next career move.

Link

The article was a real eye opener for me. Just shows you what can be achieved if you have a system and philosophy in place.

Doesn't surprise me that an Italian family owns the club. The Italians know about football - I learned that in 1963 when Inter Milan came to Goodison.

Phil Walling
62 Posted 25/10/2017 at 12:59:19
Tuchell is one right touchy bugger, I understand. Out of the frying pan...
Dale Rose
63 Posted 25/10/2017 at 13:22:02
Lets just see how Rhino does. The last thing we need is some loose cannon foreigner that's looking for a cash cow. Someone in for the long haul would be good.

The main issue is money, if you haven't got the cash, these managers don't want to know. Wenger and Pochettino probably being the exceptions. Both are cautious and get good buys. The Mourhino's and Peps of this world cant function without buckets of money.

Alex Doyle
64 Posted 25/10/2017 at 14:49:17
Am quite excited by the prospect of Unsworth. Really looking forward to seeing how the youngsters perform under him - I hope that gives some much needed energy to the more senior pros. But perhaps he needs more time.

Tuchel looks superb. One of Koeman's failings has been the predictability of the teams he sends out. Tuchel sounds like that wouldn't be a problem.

If you haven't read this already, you should.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/apr/07/thomas-tuchel-borussia-dortmund-jurgen-klopp

Joe O'Brien
65 Posted 25/10/2017 at 16:34:29
Very interesting read Alex. Would be great if we could tempt him to Goodison
David Tennant
66 Posted 25/10/2017 at 18:23:19
David Unsworth still for me based on the following:

His work with u23's speaks for itself and he plays an attractive style. He is a good coach.


He is an evertonian and the importance of that cannot be underestimated-it means he won't look at us as an outsider a la Koeman and accept where he thinks EFC should be but rather aim for where we want to be. He won't be going into big games thinking if we get beat 1-0 it's acceptable, he'll hurt like us and work for us to break that ethos and crash the monopoly as that s what he wants us to be and more importantly where he AIMS us to be. He will work with the sole purpose of victory. He won't just accept 7th and then move on to another job. This is his DREAM, he's in for the long haul. Therefore we will get the most out of him and he will push Everton and god help us we need that.

Finally, he has already come across as a great ambassador for the club with a good knowledge. He already knows the players, the resources, the strengths and limitations and probably has a fairly good idea how he wants to play. there will be no long settling in period i.e. he is ready!

(side point there will be no long drawn compensation package or contract negotiation with telease clauses leaving us in limbo for weeks-not a big point but still a positive)

I'm ready to give RHINO a go. He is the man for this situation.

Gareth Clark
67 Posted 26/10/2017 at 09:47:12
I’d give Unsie a good run of games...

If it’s not quite working out, then go throw money at Marco Silva... He may be willing to leave to take the next step up & I think he has proven (yes, in a short time) that he is capable of doing great things.

If Unsie does well, then I might look at bringing in Marco Silva at the end of the season & making Unsie assistant... Where he will learn a great deal & then ultimately fulfill the managerial position.

Eric Paul
68 Posted 26/10/2017 at 15:49:52
Silva and Dyche have both been relegated, it's hardly thinking big
Paul Goodchild
69 Posted 26/10/2017 at 16:08:04
David @ 66. Many excellent points. I think tomorrow he will be announced as the Manager until the end of the season. I think also Barclay will stay at least until then if Unsworth is in charge.
Steve Brown
70 Posted 26/10/2017 at 16:45:32
Eric is right. Have we not learned from Martinez? We should not hire a manager whose team were relegated in the last three years. That doesnt sound unreasonable and rules out Dyche, Moyes, Benitez and Marco Silva.

Instead why not actually aim for a top manager? We've complained for years about lack of investment and being unable to compete. Now we can, Tuchel, Ancelotti, Sarri are the level. And if we can't get that calibre let's back David, provided he has the guarantee of a job at the club if it doesnt work out.

Mike Berry
71 Posted 26/10/2017 at 17:39:30
I favour Silva with Unsie as the deputy
Ray Roche
72 Posted 26/10/2017 at 18:10:45
Steve, Eric,

Dyche has also won Burnley promotion twice. OK, he took them down, but brought them back up again. And to be fair to Silva, he took over at Hull after Mike Phelan was sacked in the January and the writing was pretty much on the wall by then. They did beat LFC and United in his first 4 games though..

He does play football with his teams on the front foot and he has Watford punching above their weight don't you think.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
73 Posted 26/10/2017 at 19:40:32
Bobbie Mallon #19 - a better shout - Graham Potter.

Who?

A 42 year old Englishman who was in the Southampton team that beat United 6-3 (remember the grey shirts?).

Retired and moved into management with a team in the 4th tier. Promoted in each of the first two seasons. 2 years later the team were promoted to the premiership for the first time in the clubs history. Following year they won the cup. This year they beat Galatasaray and POAK on their way to the Europa League group stages where they are top of group J and 4th in their league with 2 games to go.

Spend to get there, probably not a lot.

Sounds like a man who can coach a team to perform for the sum to be better than the parts. Trouble is, unfashionable team from an unfashionable country with an unfashionable premier league.

Except of course that country's league have produced 2 England managers.


Mark Morrissey
74 Posted 26/10/2017 at 23:06:42
Paul Merson said tonight he hated playing at Goodison. It was always blood and thunder, the crowd were on you from the start and you never got time on the ball. He said we should give the job to would Unsworth, he's a blue and he knows the players from top to bottom in the club. He spoke admirably about us and it would seem most pundits are now warming to the idea of Unsy. I also saw the piece to camera that Claude Puel did for the Leicester fans. Fuck me, I nearly fell asleep and they can have him. Give the job to Rhino, forget you Puels, your Cappuchinos and your Garribaldis. Lets go British and show Klippetty who's Boss !!!
Mark Pringle
75 Posted 27/10/2017 at 00:23:26
Tuchel would be an absolutely top drawer choice for us. Young, innovative coach with a proven record of playing exciting football at the top level and winning trophies. Agree with everything said about Unsworth as important he gets a chance to prove himself and we also need one of us closely involved. Tuchel with Unsworth as no.2 would be a superb pairing.
Andrew McLawrence
76 Posted 27/10/2017 at 07:05:42
My heart says Silva but only because he seems to have a thing about him. But it is a risk. Sometimes a risk doesn't work out, and in this case that could mean relegation. Perhaps an experienced steady hand to end of season might be better. Someone like Hiddink maybe. It's difficult and as lots have said no one screams out as the best candidate.
Ray Smith
77 Posted 27/10/2017 at 11:26:12
Too many negatives re Tuchel for my liking. Everybody on TW who have posted negatives about him can't all be wrong. Steer clear Moshiri and BK.

Give the job to Unsworth for the rest of the season at least.

Phil (#62): out of the frying pan...

Who did the research on Koeman's managerial career?

2000-01 Vitesse Arnhem
2001-05 Ajax
2005-06 Benfica
2006-07 PSV
2007-08 Valencia
2009-10 AZ Alkmaar
2010-11 18 months out
2011-13 Feyenoord
2014-15 Southampton
2015-17 Everton

Regardless of what he won at those clubs, he appears to be a bit of a butterfly (never settles). I wonder why?

Martin Reppion
78 Posted 27/10/2017 at 14:03:48
All this speculation. We have a manager in place. David Unsworth. He's the same age as many that are being considered. If we don't appoint him now, some other club will come in and offer him a job. He is a winner, look at his U23 team. He is a motivator, look at the second half vs Chelsea. And, he is an Evertonian.

If we don't improve markedly by May, then okay, let him go back to the youth set up. But for now, there should be only the one option for this club. Forget silverware this season. What we need is to see the team show spirit and cohesion. That will get the fans and the club looking forward. An outsider coming in now will take time to gel and to learn about who we have. We are in the bottom three. We don't have that time.

What's more, and the board will probably think of this, is that if they get it wrong again with a big name signing, it will cost them even more in severance fees.

David Unsworth in for the season then a review. Announce it now and let the press find something else to guess about.

Colin Metcalfe
79 Posted 27/10/2017 at 14:37:05
Just watched Unsys press conference and I have to say I have been impressed by the way he has handled the situation and in no way does he seem overawed by the position.

I can understand the arguments against appointing an Under-23 manager with no previous experience at the top level, as someone mentioned on this site it's a sentimental appointment and you wouldn't find City ,United or Chelsea etc promoting their youth manager to take over the first team however I think it's fair to say anyone appointed from the outside especially without previous premier league experience is going to be a risk .

To be honest, I am not keen on any of the favorites to take over, it's a tough decision to make but if Rhino can instill some belief into our first team and get the team playing a fast tempo, get a few wins under his belt I see no reason why he shouldn't be given an opportunity.

Ray Smith
80 Posted 27/10/2017 at 14:37:47
Martin 77

Totally agree

Andy Riley
81 Posted 27/10/2017 at 15:14:42
I’m with Tony Bellew. If we can’t get Simeone from Atletico Madrid (which really would be a statement) then stick with David Unsworth.
Stephen Davies
82 Posted 27/10/2017 at 15:41:39
Andy #80
I would very much hope that due diligence was performed before we appointed any manager.
Does Simone speak English?
I know he started taking lessons last year then suddenly dropped them.
Should an Everton manager be able to speak English..or communicate tactics/instructions through an interpreter?
Steve Ferns
83 Posted 27/10/2017 at 15:44:40
What I really like about Unsworth is this:

1. He knows the club inside out.
2. He knows most of the players inside out, and those that he doesn't he still knows pretty well.
3. He actually doesn't play the most attractive football, ie vintage Barcelona passing football, but he does play football that is attractive to Everton fans.
4. Straight away he has set the team up well, with a good shape and got good energy. Immediately the players can respond, and it's like he's had weeks to prepare not just a day.
5. It should not cost us lots in the transfer market to move up the table. I would expect us to let a few of Koeman's men go. I think Sigurdsson can still come good and I actually really like and rate Klaassen (yes I am the one). But imagine Unsworth doesn't fancy them and so they both move on, probably for half what we paid, Unsworth will have to address the Striker position, but other than that he will be under pressure from his former charges in the youth setup to give them a game, and if what he said was correct, he will have to do so (5 are ready right now - he has said repeatedly).
6. Steve Walsh should be in charge of recruitment, and whilst Unsworth would be consulted, with it being a temporary position in charge of Everton, you would imagine Walsh will get who he thinks is best, with an eye to long term planning.
7. All Everton have to do is finish above the relegation places and this is a no lose situation. If we finish 14th for example, Unsworth is replaced in the Summer with a big name manager and we can say we tried this avenue.

I've written this on the Tuchel thread, in light of the comments by others on Unsworth and also to bring it back to him. He's had a strange career to date. Part one was Dyche-esque, in bringing up a small club and punching above their weight. Part Two was showing that he could actually cut it at the highest level. The only black mark against him is the factors leading to his departure from Dortmund. But if it wasn't for that, then he'd be looking at the best five clubs in world football. instead he is supposedly on Chelsea's radar. But there's a lack of those jobs so we try to offer him an alternative.

I've no doubt whatsoever that on paper he would be superb. He is a great tactician. The question is can he get the message across quickly? Can he train this bunch to do what he wants. Can they be as energetic as he needs them to be, Can they play his way? How much money will we need to spend to mould the team into his team?

The big danger here is this could be another manager on a 3 year deal worth over £15m, and requiring another £150m spent in the market. Tuchel likes young players, as he needs their energy, but whether he would use our academy remains to be seen.

Everton are very much at a crossroads. We are on the verge of getting the recognition we deserve for our Academy. Of course what we have done (champions, 5 world cup winners, 8 English players on the pitch at once v city) should already be recognised, but these things take time in football. Walsh has brought in another 5 players for the academy, we are seeing Gordon, Hornby and Mampala scoring for fun every game. We need to ensure we can continue to attract the very best by having that recognised path to the first team.

I really do believe Unsworth is a risk free appointment. He can only benefit the club in every way. If he's terrible, then we appoint someone else just before the Window opens and Walsh gives the new guy the list of players and tells them how far down the line we are, so we can still secure a new striker then. If he's average at best, then we get someone else in, in the Summer and give them time to properly assess the squad, to make transfers and to get a pre-season done. Or if, as most of us hope, he's up to the job, we give him a 3 year deal and save the club a fortune, and enhance our blossoming reputation as the best club in the country for youth.

James Welford
84 Posted 27/10/2017 at 15:54:47
Nice post Steve (#82). I think Unsy should have the job until the end of the season. Walsh the DOF should be taking "wasting money" out of the managers hands. There's no way we're going down now that Koeman has gone.

Give the Rhino his spurs. Let him show what he can do. This feels like the dogs (pups?) of war 94-95.

See you at Wembley

David Booth
85 Posted 27/10/2017 at 16:19:12
Silva all day long for me...
David Booth
86 Posted 27/10/2017 at 16:20:31
But David Unsworth is a very close second.

And he's an Evertonian, which really matters.

Steve Ferns
87 Posted 27/10/2017 at 16:31:26
Silva is very unlikely to come before the season finishes. I would have Silva too, but I really like the idea of giving Unsworth time to win the role.
Oliver Brunel
88 Posted 27/10/2017 at 16:42:57
Simeone or Fonseca without question. But I would give Unsworth the rest of the season to see how it goes; that way he gets a proper audition after buying a striker in January.
Steve Ferns
89 Posted 27/10/2017 at 16:49:33
Diego Simeone has made himself very clear. His next job is Lazio, they are "his team". He played for them and he's always said that he would like to coach them. If not, it's likely he will go to one of the 5 biggest clubs in the world.

So, sorry, but Everton are not something he would even consider. If we really want Simeone, then we'd need to offer him a massive salary, a massive transfer budget, and Moshiri doesn't want to make that kind of investment, and probably doesn't have that kind of money to invest anyway.

Oliver Brunel
90 Posted 27/10/2017 at 16:51:52
When Usmanov eventually makes the move, Simeone will want to come to Everton.

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