Having been busy for a few weeks I’ve only just managed to catch up with the debate that followed my previous post. It looked like a good debate was underway, pity it didn’t last longer. Fair enough, some debaters exhibited a healthy scepticism for the accuracy and validity of the information it contained, that’s entirely understandable, but I had a little laugh at those who, no matter what, steadfastly refuse to believe that there’s something rotten in the state of Goodison.
It goes without saying that it would be unethical to name the sources of the information quoted but suffice to say it’s from individuals, accountants and solicitors with a professional attachment to the club, and someone who was in fact a former board member…all I can say to the apologists is this; you won’t find anything in that article that’s inaccurate… it you wish to disprove anything the floor, as they say, is all yours.
I also notice some questioning whether Everton are officially insolvent; check with Equifax; they credit score Everton at 18, they rate Everton as technically insolvent. Ask yourself this… if another business wishes to run a credit check on Everton do they take the word of Equifax or someone claiming financial acumen on a fan website… I’ll leave that one with you.
Events have now moved on; the transfer window has closed, Lescott has departed and Everton have distributed their windfall amongst Wolves, David Moyes’s transfer kitty and the club's coffers.
Are we now better off as a football club? The supporters certainly aren’t; if we had kept Lescott and added the new players, that would have been a start; the squad was beyond threadbare at the end of last season and after the comings and goings it still is… but now we’ve lost an England international defender; unfortunately we had no alternative — unlike Liverpool’s directors, who put £40 million of their own money into Anfield to aid cashflow difficulties last season, our nominees refuse to invest anything in Everton.
We have little money for transfers and, due to having an income that remains below expenditure, we’re unable to pay the salaries that attract the stars anyway. This will all change of course when we move to Kirkby…or shall we just consign that one to the same box as the "ring-fenced" money and club advisors who pass themselves off as journalists to LCC officials? Watch this space…
Lescott never intended to leave or indeed initiated the move, but during the negotiations over the past year he never once received an assurance that the club wanted him to stay, he was just told that Bill Kenwright wanted £20 million plus and he could go. Once the enormous salary was offered his head was inevitably turned.
Since Lescott’s departure, you’ve been witnessing an antipodal led revolt surrounding the salaries offered to our stars in relation to those on offer at other clubs… some will have sympathy, pointing to last season's fifth place finish and a cup final appearance; others, like myself, will point to this seasons Arsenal game.
If we’re not better off as a football club, are we better off financially? Well, I’m sure most can do the math; salaries, agents fees and down payments; let’s just say the wolf has been kept from the door… for the time being. Don’t forget how foreign player transfer fees are paid, not at the time of transfer but over the contract; lets have none of this we’ve spent all the Lescott money on new players… it’s an insult to intelligence.
There’s something of a whiff of the New Labour of the 1990s emanating from Goodison Park these days; it could be construed as nostalgic if it wasn’t so tragic. I’m certain good old Will Cuff must be turning in his grave. We have the poor man's Tony Blair and the even poorer man's Alistair Campbell spinning away, orchestrating the flow of information, stage managing events to limit the voices of dissent, delivering well honed monologues accompanied by slick presentations all designed to limit the opportunities for dissenting voices to be heard.
Thankfully the day of reckoning is fast approaching… answers to awkward questions will be required; will Tom Cannon be asking them or is a promise of a seat on the board a little too tempting for those with ambition within the club? Best not rock the boat too much…
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1 Posted 10/09/2009 at 06:11:06
2 Posted 10/09/2009 at 07:03:13
I can’t see all the facts, but I can hear Elstone and all the others QUACKING LIKE FUCK.
Just call me Donald and put me in a cartoon ffs.
3 Posted 10/09/2009 at 07:34:47
1. Yes, we know we have no money coming into the club from the board. Nor are we ever likely to until Kenwright gives up control. Like you, I wish he would — but there is not much point harping on about it.
2. I don’t know how anyone can say that the squad has not improved. It clearly has. Of course some of the new signings might not work out — and statistics show that likely one of them will not. But we have lost one first team player and bought three; we are stronger. Yes it would be nice to have more — but see point 1 above.
3. Moving to Kirkby will not solve our financial problems. But it is still necessary because we have to face up to the need of re-developing Goodison. The status quo literally is not an option for much longer. We either move or stay in a stadium with much reduced capacity. I don’t like the choices either but we have to choose the options that are actually available. The need to re-develop the ground will make our financial situation worse. This is not BK’s fault. Other clubs have overcome this and so will we, but BK did not create this problem, but it does need to be fixed on his watch.
4. BK says a lot of silly things. But Elstone and Moyes generally do not. Where is all this spin you speak of? I think we are tempted to read into press quotes what we want to believe. All the mid-summer quotes about trying to find the cash to back the manager also referred to us not actually having any money and the banks not being interested. I don’t think this is being spun by EFC (apart from BK — who should really be more careful).
5. I believe the financial situation is dire — so the club needs to spend carefully, generally this is what it is doing. Thank goodness for that.
I am not sure that any of these points is controversial or new. Can we talk about something else?
4 Posted 10/09/2009 at 08:20:48
Still, I’m with you in theory. We are screwed. Stoke make us look like paupers.
5 Posted 10/09/2009 at 09:10:06
Also one major step forward the Club has made in the Moyes years that gets seriously underrated is we now have significant value out on the pitch. Who could you have sold for any kind of significant fee on the day Moyes arrived?
Don’t get me started on Blair and Cambell but it takes a great leap of logic to compare the EFC management with those two shysters
6 Posted 10/09/2009 at 09:19:36
“But we have lost one first team player and bought 3” Don’t forget about the 4 squad players that we’ve lost too, from a squad that was already desperately short on numbers, so much so that for half of last season we fielded a team with no strikers whatsoever.
“The need to re-develop the ground will make our financial situation worse. This is not BK’s fault.” – Just who has been Chairman and prior to that on the board during the years when not 1 penny has been spent on improving or developing the ground? And then to turn round and say we HAVE to move ‘cos it’s not suitable is beyond the pale.
7 Posted 10/09/2009 at 09:26:24
8 Posted 10/09/2009 at 09:27:32
9 Posted 10/09/2009 at 09:35:06
We are the second least insolvent clubs that are insolvent (2 out of 11).
Liverpool are solvent at 26 and Fulham are not at 20. So the line must be somewhere in between.
The credit rating is the only fact the writer produces. But he presents it in such a way that we are only club like this (otherwise it doesn’t support the premise of his argument)
The facts as reported in the paper are that Lescott wanted to go. He put in a transfer request that we turned it down, we played him against Arsenal when he clearly did not want to play, etc, etc. These are not the actions of a club who want to sell their player. When it is then clear he wants to leave we get the best price we can and at £22-24M for the second best defender at the club that is a good return on our investment.
10 Posted 10/09/2009 at 10:30:41
We spent only what we recieved from Lescott’s departure. Who is Elstone kidding "We spent £30M"? We will spend £30M over the next 4-5 years on wages for the new signings dont pretend thats the total outlay now. Utterly insulting...
Well Apologists the board have provided nothing again to Moyes. They’ve sold every asset we had and are pinning every last morsel of EFC on a tin pot stadium in Kirkby. I can’t bare to watch...
I do wonder though regarding the 2 yank lads we signed. At 21 and playing in the US 4th Division i dont believe they’re gonna make the cut. I just wonder if Moyes was told we wouldnt have money to spend (unless he sold) and as a two finger gesture signed two no hopers from the US. As if to say "You give me buttons and this is the calibre I’ll bring in"...could be totally wrong about them two lads but I’ll be majorly suprised if they make it.
11 Posted 10/09/2009 at 11:11:41
You must have been busy as you suggested as it appears you have been inside Lescott's head for the last few weeks.
What a crock of shit and a pointless post
12 Posted 10/09/2009 at 11:12:05
Apologists, anti-apologists, whoever... if you claim to have the ’facts’ or the ’truth’ the burden of proof is on you to back it up, not the people who, not unreasonably, ask How Do You Know That?
You’re not the first to say you have something on good authority and you won’t be the last. Maybe everything you say is absolutely correct but you must understand you won’t get everybody simply taking you at your word.
13 Posted 10/09/2009 at 11:20:28
Well fuck me, he gave me the clearest indication he wanted away by point blank refusing to play for us anymore.
An absolute crock of shit.
14 Posted 10/09/2009 at 11:27:54
Well, we lost Lescott and got Distin who many think is a better defender (albeit older). We replaced Jacobsen and VdM with Heitinga and Bily (two players who didn’t play with two senior internationals - I know who I’d prefer!). And we lost Castillo and Valente - two other players who didn’t play. Oh, and got Jo for a whole season.
This is not a tough call is it really?
15 Posted 10/09/2009 at 12:23:26
The closest thing you have to a fact is some bullshit about Everton making Lescott feel unwelcome and happily sending him off.
What utter nonsense.
16 Posted 10/09/2009 at 12:18:11
There is a lot of critism about the regime, some of valid, but come on Rog your keen at naming names — Will Cuff, Kenwright, Blair et al give us some names that are willing and able to invest and run the club? And why not name your sources if you’re bold enough to make a reference to them!!
17 Posted 10/09/2009 at 12:52:50
Lescott never wanted to leave!!! What the fuck did he put in a written request for???
18 Posted 10/09/2009 at 13:05:32
Now I am no apologist for for the board or Kenwright but that my good sir smacks of a cop out of the highest order. Hell, you could have at least started some kind of ’find the whistelblower' hunt — at least that would be fun.
19 Posted 10/09/2009 at 13:33:26
Strange isn’t it that Lescott didn’t come out and reveal all of this at his introductory press conference as a City player a few weeks back. Are you sure your "sources" aren’t just taking the piss?
20 Posted 10/09/2009 at 13:57:05
"Don’t forget about the 4 squad players that we’ve lost too, from a squad that was already desperately short on numbers, so much so that for half of last season we fielded a team with no strikers whatsoever."
If you are going to include the dead wood from last season, it’s only fair to include the dead wood we have brought in, in our numbers this season so the numbers haven’t gone down as much as you are suggesting.
21 Posted 10/09/2009 at 14:02:04
We need to sell players before we buy and must make staged payments. We do not buy at the beginning of summer to save on 4 players' wages for 3 months.
Moyes is a ditherer in the market and content as he is the highest paid employee of the club. I didn’t want Lescott to go but actually, I think we are likely to be stronger. Moyes should generate funds by selling players and replacing with better or same standard and cheaper — Wenger has done this for years. Pienaar is perhaps ripe to be sold next for a significant profit...
22 Posted 10/09/2009 at 14:58:19
In many articles last season it was confirmed that he put in his list of targets, in an A,B and C system yet somehow he is a ditherer. How can he get the transfers in more quickly? what more can he do than say, "I want him" to Bill? He doesn’t negotiate the deal, he identifies targets and leaves the rest to the board, he will have input with the player trying to sell the club and his vision if they meet him but apart from that please explain what he does that makes you think he is a ditherer?
He is probably too particular in his targets and is too set in his ways for the ones he wants but that is not being a ditherer but being stubborn, a big difference.
23 Posted 10/09/2009 at 15:31:05
My mate’s sister’s best friend’s cousin bollocks, is just all that, bollocks.
We can take educated guesses at things and if it comes up, we can say, "I told you so!", but all this "insider info" is all my arse.
24 Posted 10/09/2009 at 17:15:14
TRANSFERS - difficult to argue with regards to transfer market that Moyes is a ditherer, not for reasons you state but because we never know the truth. I could give examples — fact he seems to take players on loan more than any other Premier League manager; not sure on taking up Fernandes after he’d been class for us on his first loan spell...
Loads of other examples but you (with good justification perhaps) could blame the Board — ie, we have no money, can only afford loans and board messes up for funds. We don’t know full facts so can’t really say.
However, Moyes admits he takes ages looking at players — the crap defender from Fiorentina, Krøldrup was it? He said he looked for 18 months; Simon Davies again 18 months...
I say ditherer, others may say he does his homework but he seems to take an age. I think he dithered re: central defender in summer — Senderos, Taylor, Huth — again, you may say differently. We were very close to missing out on players like Cahill, in my view, because Moyes dithered, you may recall he was going to Palace but Jordan won’t pay agents fees.
POSITIONS:– is Jags central defender, right back? Same with Joleon to a lesser extent, but certainly so with McFadden, Davies and more recently Fellaini. It seems odd to me you pay €15m for a player and not sure where his best position is.
CONTRACT:– his own position at the club, openly admitted he deliberated long and hard and spoke to Bobby Robson at length...
TACTICS:– this is the most annoying part, during matches he just doesn’t change things quick enough... substitutes are far too late, everybody in the ground can often see a problem but he just doesn’t change. Rarely does he change even at half time.
Hope that helps explain.
25 Posted 10/09/2009 at 17:30:59
26 Posted 10/09/2009 at 17:41:08
As regards that squad, we have lost 5 players & replaced them with only 3, so whilst it’s fair to be confident we will have a better first XI the depth of cover has diminished even further. How one views this is, of course, subjective [nett gain or loss (?)] - but at least we should accept the changes as they are.
Numbers down a bit but quality up a bit may well be a trade off that Moyes is willing to accept &, although I may have concerns, I’m quite prepared to bow to his judgement on the matter.
27 Posted 10/09/2009 at 18:21:29
I believe we have a Fantasist as a Chairman whose biggest attribute is spinning lies and bullshit.
Moyes has done a splendid job on the whole, but it is mainly despite our Board and not because of them.
Kirkby stinks and one day my theory is that 2 Spurs fans will pull the rug away from under Kenwright if it goes wrong.
The future is either at Kirkby and all the problems that will cause (probably under new owners in the mould of the Icelandic failure at West Ham) or at Goodison with Moyes forced to sell his best players to buy any more. It all looks pretty unpleasant..... in my opinion.
28 Posted 10/09/2009 at 18:09:28
Transfers - as you said unless you are party to the inside dealings of the club then you will never know. Buying a new player for the club is not like buying a new cd or film. You don’t simply walk into HMV and pick up Slyvian Distin off the shelf. A major mistake on a player can cost the club a lot of money, and when you have no money like we have the reality is that a bad signing may set the team back a few league places.
How do you not know that this summer Moyes did not realise that Lescott was off and did not line up a centre back early to replace him. Only for the board to delay any transfer until they had confirmation the Lescott deal was going through in order to get the finance in place to make the purchase. If that is the case, then is it not plausible that the said player might have been missed out on for a variety of reasons, firstly his club knew how much we were getting and wanted a higher fee. Something like he’s worth at least half as much as Lescott. Maybe, the player saw the £ signs with the Lescott deal and wanted wages that we could not afford. Or maybe the player simply choose not to join us but another team. Any dithering in this scenario as board level.
Now in the case Simon Davies, was it not correct that Davies was a first team player at Spurs and that perhaps they wanted more a figure for him that would essential mean that Moyes would have to forgo another player to get Davies in. Both Davies and Koldrup Moyes may have viewed as not being essential purchases and instead he may have decided to use the money elsewhere and / or keep an eye on them to see if they developed sufficiently to justify spending the sums of money required. He cannot be like Harry Redknapp and just buy the player anyway because it won’t matter if he turns out to be inadequate as he can just sell him on for less and no one will care. We cannot afford those kind of mistakes and Moyes knows this better than anyone having made the Koldrup mistake.
If you had seen the Simon Davies who played for Peterbrough, then I doubt any of us would not have wanted to sign him. Spurs spent what was a small fortune on him.
I cannot completely disagree that Moyes is not a ditherer as like you, I am not in his inner circle. However, I do not believe that such a highly rated manager would be so indecisive in the transfer market.
Positions - it is hard to know what some players best position is. Think back to the Jagielka of Sheff Utd was he not a jack of all trades there? He was hardly a settled centre half. I believe he’s only flourished at centre half since he’s been settled in the Everton side and put that down to Moyes’ exceptional positional sense, particularly in the defensive positions. My favourite example of someone who underlines these difficulties is Gravesen. He played infront of the back four for Hamburg. He got the ball off the back four and would strut around with it. He was rarely challenged and rarely made a challenge. Their idea of a DM is a playmaker. Our idea of a playmaker is a player really behind the front player. Which is why Gravesen really came alive in 04 when he was relieved of deffensive duties and given licence to roam. Also Gareth Barry, the amount of managers who have played him in every position on the left. It took years for him to finally become a centre midfielder, and I wouldn’t be suprised if he’s not playing left back again in the future. Fellaini is the new Gravesen in my opinion. Best when relieved of defensive duties, but is he good enough for us to effectively defend with 10 men?
Tactics - Moyes, like it or not, is someone who believes in sticking his best side out and keeping with it through thick and thin. This comes down to man management. Do not forget about just how big a role the lack of a bench plays in making substitutions. Do you really think that taking off Tony Hibbert and throwing on a 17 year striker is really going to win us the game? Moyes will never be one to frequently make drastic changes but he has been known to change 3 at half time only if i remember correctly to finish the game with 10 men after we got an injury.
29 Posted 10/09/2009 at 17:48:02
We played City 2 / 3 years ago after Liverpool had tried their first attempt at refinancing the loan they had with Royal Bank of Scotland. A mate’s mate (here he goes), a City fan, met us in town and told us the tale of the debacle that was the due diligence exercise on the loan. Great fun.
After that, because we asked, he lead us through the financial aspects of football clubs in the Premier League as business propositions.
He said that if you were an investor and you had access to, say, £500m in loans you would have to be crazy to buy a Premier League football club as things stand. None of them would make more money than the interest on the loan so you’d be out of pocket and increasingly in debt.
However, investors might well buy a business if they think that its value will rise, believing that they can sell out at a profit to more than cover their losses and some. Now the value would only rise if the club became much more profitable.
In terms of the Premier League, he believed that the purchases of MUFC and LFC had been based on that approach. That might seem strange since the debt was saddled on each club and that alone would make them unattractive for resale. The gamble taken by the Americans, and not a risky one since they aren’t holding the debt, is around TV rights.
Most people know that in some other countries the money paid by TV is negotiated with individual clubs. Real Madrid and Barcelona are far and away the biggest snouts in the Spanish trough for example. The Americans have bought in believing that sooner or later the Premier League deal, originally set up by Phillip Carter I think, would break down. Since the two clubs concerned are much the most marketable, particularly overseas, they could expect to benefit hugely and so increased income, increased value and very profitable sales beckon.
It is much more difficult to get behind Abramovich’s motivation. He genuinely seems to want to own a successful football club and he’ll pay the bills. Who knows what the arabs see in Manchester City.
In the longer term it all appears to be unsustainable and I’d rather not see EFC tied to that train of b/millionaire investors when it hits the buffers thanks.
Regarding Bill Kenwright, I suspect few people know what he bought into the club for and what he plans to take out when he goes. I do know that there wasn’t a queue when he did buy it and whether he has managed well or badly we are in a far better place than we were headed when he did.
David Moyes is an outstanding manager but I have to agree that there are times when tactically he is like a rabbit in the headlights. Over the years there haven’t been many managers who could do otherwise during the game but all of those who could had players on the field and on the bench who could effect tactical changes as they were instructed. We have rarely had that luxury but by November we probably will have. Let’s wait and see.
And as for Kirkby, it isn’t “our” club, it never has been and it never will be. It belongs to rich people who pay their money and make their choices. Why on earth should they listen to us?
30 Posted 10/09/2009 at 20:33:54
This for instance...
"Lescott never intended to leave or indeed initiated the move, but during the negotiations over the past year he never once received an assurance that the club wanted him to stay, he was just told that Bill Kenwright wanted £20 million plus and he could go. Once the enormous salary was offered his head was inevitably turned."
Did you bother to actually read what you wrote, sorry, invented?
During what negotiations over the past year? Lescott signed a 5 year deal just over a year ago. Lescott apparently never wanted to go? What? He never once received assurances the club wanted him to stay? So a new & improved 5 year deal wasn’t proof enough? Get a grip man.
Listen old son, Everton’s financial distress is an open secret. It’s what we do next that most of us are pre-occupied with. Perhaps that’s what you call an apologist. Whereas you appear to be simply a fantasist.
Almost every club in the EPL can be regarded as "technically insolvent" at some point. Chelsea are carrying £750m of debt, Man Utd more, Liverpool a little less. None of the above have the income & assets to support their predicament. Chelsea have lost almost £100m a season for 5 years. Where’s the news?
Stop pretending to be something you’re not. We all recognise the difficulties the club is in. Casting vague, unattributed and frankly fantastic nonsense into the ring is boring. You seem to be revelling in some odd form of smugness. Why? for peddling repackaged innuendo dressed up as fact?
31 Posted 10/09/2009 at 20:54:40
By the end his attitude was so poor I was told he alienated even his own agent, who classes himself as ethical, and handed in a transfer request AGAINST his advice. That is not a sexy lie to make up and at the time of him telling me in the first place it wasn't even rumoured. With Roger passing the line that Lescott never wanted to leave as ’fact’ you really have to wonder... it’s simply not true.
32 Posted 10/09/2009 at 21:09:38
Off course the head-in-sand brigade and PR people who come on here will kick up a real stink over what you say but thanks for another intriguing post, I think it's a case of "tune in next week when you’ll here Roger say"!! Keep 'em coming, Roger.
33 Posted 10/09/2009 at 21:46:15
He and his family were on a plane with Mark Hughes returning from Dubai in early July which probably explains Everton’s grievance about tapping up.
What would have been interesting would have been if they succeeded with John Terry, would they have pursued Lescott so vigorously, and paid so much over the odds???
Based on what Robert Elstone said yesterday, I think we all have to form our own conclusions and opinions because not much truth (or fact) comes out of any football club.
34 Posted 10/09/2009 at 22:00:45
Exactly Richard tune in next week for another episode of fantasy island!!!!
35 Posted 10/09/2009 at 22:22:24
36 Posted 10/09/2009 at 22:24:37
37 Posted 10/09/2009 at 22:33:27
38 Posted 10/09/2009 at 22:48:01
39 Posted 10/09/2009 at 23:10:33
40 Posted 10/09/2009 at 23:10:16
As for the Equifax ’bombshell’, at least twelve months ago those notables were announcing that at least 50% of the Prem were "technically insolvent". This is, after all, the Premier League. It’s morally bankrupt, so why should its finances be any different? The only reason our neighbours are still trading is because BoS were terrified of the PR consequences of foreclosing.
41 Posted 10/09/2009 at 23:15:51
42 Posted 11/09/2009 at 04:47:41
those “Deadwood “ players we lost were 4 players that have represented their countries internationally with one of them being our first choice left back prior to last season, one of them supplying the cross to Gosling to beat the RS last season and the other 2 have signed on for other Premier League sides for this season.
Is the deadwood we have brought in of the same standard? Are they even in our squad of first team players as the 4 they are ‘replacing’ were?
43 Posted 11/09/2009 at 08:11:03
(1) Everton are skint - no shit sherlock. Thanks for enlightening us all.
(2) Lescott wasn’t wanted???! Do me a favour, we turned down 2 huge bids and he then put in a transfer request.
(3) The squad isn’t stronger??? Distin is a like for like replacement and no one in their right mind would have preferred Sylvain to Joleon. But the 4 other squad members who left (Valente, Van Der Meyde, Castillo and Jacobsen) made 13 starts between them last season and have been replaced by the most expensive winger we have ever signed and a dutch international with 50 caps.
Everyone wanted Everton to spend more money and buy more players but, as you have stated, we haven’t got any money. I think instead of speaking to your inside men just save your time and speak to anyone in the ground and they could tell you the above. It is hardly privelidged info you clown.
44 Posted 11/09/2009 at 08:52:46
45 Posted 11/09/2009 at 08:57:51
Anyhow, re the Lescott mony. Are there any accountants reading the postings? Question: With modern accounting standards how would the transfer fees of foreign players be handled in the books if they are not paid at the time of transfer but over the course of the contract?. ............ contingent liabilities?? or what? If it’s not paid surely it has to go somewhere in to the liabilities on the balance sheet?
Does any body out there have an answer to this? It could be why Elstone can get away with saying all the cash has been spent.
46 Posted 11/09/2009 at 09:19:00
47 Posted 11/09/2009 at 09:36:21
48 Posted 11/09/2009 at 11:29:29
I am happy with the Lescott deal. I did not really want him to leave, but we got a very good deal so now I am OK with it. I just don’t see the drama in this.
49 Posted 11/09/2009 at 12:20:11
Are you seriously trying to big up Shandy Andy and Valente? So Valente being our first choice left back two seasons ago (played half a game last season) means he wasn’t deadwood?
Jacobsen, played how many games, only due to Hibbert being injured or close to getting sent off? We all know the general view of Hibbert here, so Jacobsen was a defender who couldn’t displace Hibbert, I would consider a 30+ injury prone defender deadwood.
My point was that if you are going to include players who are not even usually considered for the 1st team, apart from an occasional appearance on the bench then you have to include the squaddies coming in.
50 Posted 11/09/2009 at 13:17:41
Now let’s deal with Experian and Equifax. These are credit reference agencies who hold data on individuals and companies gleaned from lenders and the Courts. They then pass this on to credit granters for a fee; disturbingly they are also offering credit help services to the public (also for a fee) based upon information they already hold. They are in no way qualified to proffer opinions on companies of the size and complexity of EFC (or any other club for that matter).
They do not posses professional qualifications nor are they licensed to conduct insolvencies. They simply provide info for a fee, although to look at their public profiles you would be forgiven for being led to assume otherwise. For them to state ’insolvent’ (if they did so), is to be treated with the greatest scepticism.
It is extremely difficult to asses solvency in the context of EFC, for the reasons I posted earlier I don’t believe it will happen, although God knows I’ve been wrong before, but not I think in this.
COYB (Solvent or not)
51 Posted 11/09/2009 at 13:40:04
And with respect to the other comments. I don't see how anyone can argue that we are not in a better position than last season. Since last season we’ve lost Lescott and backup squad members, but we’ve added guaranteed Premier League quality in Distin, International quality of the highest order in Bily and Heitinga and we’ve secured Jo on loan for the season (We know what he can bring). We’ve also seen Rodwell and Gosling emerge as solid squad players now (with Rodwell showing world class potential) whilst we’ve added several big potential youngsters and a couple of lower worth squad players. Lescott’s gone, but then we’ve got far more than he is worth back and in my opionon he was the second best central defender at our club.
With respect to the lack of spending this summer, talk of £30m seems wide of the mark but we would have spent approaching the Lescott fee (minus the Wolves sell on) and we were hardly alone with respect to low spending; apart from Chelski, the other four members of the top six lost at least one of their most influential players during the summer.
Let’s stop overreacting and enjoy the season. All-in-all, we’ve improved yet again, we’ve got three cup competitions to look forward to and I’m sure we can prove our doubters wrong once again this season.
52 Posted 11/09/2009 at 14:26:28
53 Posted 11/09/2009 at 16:24:57
Michael Kenrick: Thank you sir, I can’t comment upon team matters; enough experts on this site already. What I will try to do is get a liitle bit more info about EFCs position if I can, I don’t know anyone at the club anymore but I don’t think I have too in order to get the information I want. Watch this space......
54 Posted 11/09/2009 at 18:44:51
55 Posted 11/09/2009 at 19:31:53
I don’t know what goes on inside Goodison (and my family are shareholders) and I have never meet people who really do. Never come across anybody who has said Bill Kenwright said this to us, or Elstone thinks this, it’s always from a "source". Well until names are put to quotes then it’s all bollocks. If it’s said and is a fact then quote it here with the names to back it up, and don’t hide behind my "source" cause nothing will happen to you if it’s the truth.
Lescott wanted us to say he’s wanted? Well Moyes did that enough before the he put in a transfer request while away with Ingerland.
56 Posted 11/09/2009 at 19:49:58
The odd thing is, under the IP address logged when he posted these articles... well there is one other person who posts comments that are logged from the same IP address (which could be shared). That would be Richard Jones... different e.mail address... but had me wondering... is this one and the same person?
57 Posted 11/09/2009 at 20:08:40
58 Posted 11/09/2009 at 21:02:10
Just following up on the point about posting articles that have no proof. You’ll have to appreciate that if we required proof for everything posted (1) we’d be here all day... and (2) nothing would get posted!
It’s an open forum; we rely implicitly on the integrity of our contributors, which is why we require real names as part of maintaining both high quailty and mutual respect. But when it comes to distilling facts from opinions.... well, we’re each on our own.
What you generally find, though, is that if someone comes out with something that is rubbish, plenty of people are going to say so in the responses. I used to do it myself as the First Responder (if I know for certain) but now... not so much.
I would however encourage you not to be so sceptical of what people post; few (with the possible exception Roger Davis) are deliberately stating falsehoods... and I believe most opinions are genuine.
59 Posted 12/09/2009 at 00:39:59
60 Posted 12/09/2009 at 01:06:36
Your ’squaddies’ are not even in the first team squad and I bet will not even make it into the squad this season (or maybe even next) whereas your deadwood were in the squad and regularly on the bench.
So we’re replacing 4 first team choices / cover with international caps with kids from the USA fourth division. Apples and Oranges mate.
61 Posted 12/09/2009 at 04:52:15
62 Posted 12/09/2009 at 05:00:08
63 Posted 12/09/2009 at 09:50:44
64 Posted 12/09/2009 at 21:54:01
65 Posted 13/09/2009 at 12:11:50
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