The post-match reaction to the five-nil drubbing of Everton by Benfica speaks volumes of David Moyes and his inability to accept the fact that Everton Football Club will never ever progress further under his management. It's as plain and simple as that.
Statements like “let's put it in perspective” and, “I have nothing but praise for the players”... What the fuck!?! Tell that to the 6,000-odd supporters who made the trip down to Portugal. After being outclassed , humiliated and given a footballing lesson, you come out and sing the praises of players who have put Everton in the record books for all the wrong reasons.
I do realize that we had a severely depleted team and players who were forced to play out of position, but unfortunately that’s the consequence of competing in Europe, and on the domestic front with a squad short of numbers and quality. We knew that at the start of the season but, thanks to David Moyes and his dithering in the transfer market, we now find ourselves in a precarious position.
So what now? The manner of this defeat rings alarm bells, and is likely to have a considerable impact on team morale and progress this season – for a number of reasons:
a) Our big guns (Mikel Arteta and Phil Jagielka) are still a month (at least) away from a return.
Given the way we are currently playing, it is very probable that they will join a first team that has been knocked out of the League Cup and is languishing in the bottom half of the table, and probably even fighting for qualification into the knock out stages of the Europa league.
The weight of expectation is likely to be too much for these players, who have been out for over six months with serious injuries. Expecting an immediate return of the ‘Arteta’ and ‘Jagielka’ that we are accustomed to, would be unrealistic.
b) The Stoke, Wolves and Benfica games have indicated clearly that Everton are currently struggling to play the consistent level of football, expected of a team wanting to compete for a top-six finish and to compete with quality teams from Europe.
With Everton's 5th place finish over the last couple of seasons, teams now taking on Everton inevitably raise their games in anticipation of competing against a ‘quality’ team. David Moyes has shown that he is currently unable to raise the quality of Everton's game to breakdown such opposition. And I honestly fear that he is unable to do so with the current batch. They want to play with the big boys... but unfortunately they don’t know how too!!
c) The next month for Everton is where I feel the vulnerabilities in the team will be ruthlessly exposed. If Moyes and Everton thought Wolves and Stoke were a tough nut to crack, wait till they see Bolton, Spurs, Villa, Benfica, United and Liverpool in the not too distant future.
I find it totally inconceivable that, with the current personnel and quality of football, that we can come out at the end of November with smiling faces. It could get ugly — or should I say, uglier.
I know I may come across as being unduly pessimistic, but being South African, and looking at the state of our current national team, you can clearly understand why!! I hope that I am wrong, and Everton are able to string together some good performances, but unfortunately all the evidence points towards a team, worn out, stale of ideas and creativity, and craving a new direction.
On a positive note, I look forward to seeing all you Evertonians in South Africa next year. It promises to be an amazing World Cup.
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1 Posted 23/10/2009 at 07:19:23
For fucks sake - it could be argued that last night we had a completely second string back 4 out and the midifield was without our Captain and its 2 creative players.
And finally playing with Jo is like playing with 10 men anyway. He still remains without doubt the worst player I have seen in an everton shirt in 20 years.
2 Posted 23/10/2009 at 07:46:28
First of all, we knew we were without Jags, Arteta, Yak and Anichebe at the start of the season. One of those has returned, and indeed played last night. We DID NOT know at the start of the season that we would be without Yobo, Baines, Pienaar, Osman and Neville too. So I think it’s a little unfair to suggest that we knew we’d be that short and did nothing about it. At the same time, Ken made the excellent point in his match report that we signed two players who were ineligible to play last night. Neill and Heitinga in that defence would have made a world of difference, and I think there has to be a degree of ownership at the top in admitting that mistake.
As for putting it in perspective, I think Moyes is actually correct with this one. It’s not gonna serve any purpose, with 2 games in the next 4 days, to go off on one. And in fairness, we are still in an excellent position to qualify - a point in Athens and a win over BATE would do it me thinks. The mistakes made last night do need to be looked at, and ironed out, but there ain’t the time before we next play so Moyes is adopting the ’let’s just get on with it’ approach, which is all he can do.
3 Posted 23/10/2009 at 08:05:30
4 Posted 23/10/2009 at 08:05:30
5 Posted 23/10/2009 at 09:06:21
And finally playing with Jo is like playing with 10 men anyway. He still remains without doubt the worst player I have seen in an everton shirt in 20 years
Wrong Gareth. That honour goes to Claus Thomsen
6 Posted 23/10/2009 at 09:15:30
Gosling Cahill Fellaini Jo
Anyone on here care to tell me what other players he could have used either last night or on Saturday?
Gareth, this is a much more balanced line up, I could see it. Why can’t you?
7 Posted 23/10/2009 at 09:23:34
He simply can’t cope when put up against a proper skillful footballing side.
8 Posted 23/10/2009 at 10:02:47
I would be more pissed of if the result meant we are out, but we are not! We are still in the competition and still looking good to qualify.
9 Posted 23/10/2009 at 09:45:37
Blackpool”The Blues once again had Jack Rodwell standing in for Joleon Lescott
at centre half alongside Joseph Yobo and it was the two who contrived
to allow David Vaughan to sprint through the middle of defence with
the ball to put the home side into an early lead.”
Coventry “Michael Doyle turned in a Morrison cross to make it 1-1 ten minutes before half time, shambolic defending from Everton, Rodwell in particular”
Maybe that’s why Hibbert was preferred to Rodwell, moreover he did a very good job at BATE playing CB in European game with aplomb.
Next, Billy as a left back? I will tell you something buddy if DM opted for your option there would have been a riot on this pages, you need to look no more then the match thread, after his substitution.
Next, Gosling either as RB or RM, there would have been no difference based on his performance and again please refresh your memory, read ToffeeWeb a few months ago when was argued and asked “What should Gosling do, to replace Hibbert/Osman(take your pick)? Well the truth is that the guy is still a long, long way to go to break into the first team, either as a RB or RM, but of course acoording to you at RB he sucks but as RM he would have thrived?!?!?!? Joke really
Next, Saha up front with Yakubu, maybe, juuuuust maybe with games looming fast and thick Moyes opted to give his leading and unfortunately injury-prone goalscorer a bit of rest and give Yakubu and Jo playing time together.
Jo, as a left midfielder, so far I haven’t seen anything that suggest that Jo can be a midfielder neither tactical awareness, nor passing, nor tackling, nor work rate, nor positioning, he was tried at Stoke in this role and failed badly.
Cahill and Fellaini together in midfield, buddy again make your mind please, if you are regular here you would know that Cahill and Fellaini cant play together in the same midfield, they are simply too similar…
10 Posted 23/10/2009 at 10:22:50
11 Posted 23/10/2009 at 10:20:03
When you can comprehend what is to have 12 senior players missing, Fellaini, Bily and Yakubu half fit, Rodwell jaded and forced to play back 4, that have never played before together, then maybe you will have a point but somehow I doubt it.
12 Posted 23/10/2009 at 10:30:52
13 Posted 23/10/2009 at 10:27:31
*Our manager/chairman knew our two main injuries where long term (Arteta and Jagielka) in the summer and should have addressed these issue’s by finding funds (Chairman) and if funds where available (Manager) signing players who can play in all competitions, lord knows we only had ALL summer but waited till the last minute yet again for some unknown reason or more scarily we do know the reason and are just plan skint. (Waited for Lescott money and if this was the case why not sell early and recruit players who can play in all competitions?) questions question no real answer from the powers that be.
For my club this is not good enough and I can’t speak for others but I for one am not one bit happy with that performance’s in general this season and if any of you are we my friends have very different views of option of where OUR club should be.
14 Posted 23/10/2009 at 10:32:02
And Zaid we wont progress further under Moyes, not because he isnt a good enough manager, because he has worked miracles for us, but because we dont have/or had the finances of the top four, spurs, man city or villa. We cant expect Moyes to keep getting us to fifth or higher when we spend less than every rival above us and every rival below whilst also getting the worse luck with injuries in the last season or two (prob because of a smaller squad). We can hope that money appears from somewhere nexy season so we at least get a fair attempt at going for fourth before man city move out of our reach or we can hope at least to have a lucky season with regards to injuries. But perspective with regards to this result and the grand scheme of things is needed. No team, even the likes of manchester united or chelsea could cope with our injury problems, and we just have to hope that players come back soon, because if we have the majority of our first 11 available then we have a fantastic first team, when several are missing we are an average team with great spirit. It’s not testament of Moyes ability as manager but testament to the net spend of Moyes since he took over.
15 Posted 23/10/2009 at 10:53:03
although we probably would have lost 1 or 2 nil. Lets just hope its another kick up the arse we need, we are still level on points at top of european group (i bet Celtic would love to be in our position now).
And fingers crossed that Billy’s not out for long.
16 Posted 23/10/2009 at 11:06:30
We are on a particular bad run of them at the moment but what the hell do you expect with the smallest squad in the Premier League which has repeatedly decreased in size every season despite the tag best of the rest and regular high finishes in the league and two Wembley appearances last season?
17 Posted 23/10/2009 at 11:24:20
Gavin, I have never seen a list of injuries as bad as we have had in all the years I have been watching Everton.
Yes injuries and bans happen but we have been so unlucky with the types of injuries to our most influencial players, crutiate ligaments and Yaks foot falling off.
It comes to something when you have to stick a lad with half a foot in at left back in a European game, I think he only started playing again fully for the stiff about 2 weeks ago.
In regards to Neill, that was just a last minute...go on then, do you honestly think that Moyes was watching him and thinking, I wish he would sign for us.
18 Posted 23/10/2009 at 12:16:08
And they will both be eligible for the latter stages if we get through. As long as we add them to the submitted squad. Also, they are available for the Carling cup, FA Cup and Prem. So if it wasn’t for the horrendous injury list nobody would even be considering this point.
19 Posted 23/10/2009 at 12:32:08
Injuries played a huge part yesterday’s performance but to blame everything on that is to miss some underlying points which will still have to be addressed even when the first choice players return, namely the lack of comfort on the ball, creativity and pace that runs through the side, that in turn makes our build up so laboured, slow and predictable.
Contrast that with the way that Benfica were comfortable with the ball at their feet, were quick and incisive with balls inside the fullbacks in particular and with how they got quality balls into the penalty area from wide areas, and you can see that, even with the first team back, we are light years away from the best and always capable of being embarrassed by top teams.
Even with a paltry budget, I believe that Moyes can do better in those respects. I would like to see him take a bold decision in January and sell Fellaini while he still has some value, thereby raising some much needed readies. Quite what he saw / continues to see in this player is beyond me. Also, if returning players permit, Cahill must be given a prolonged rest. A shadow of his former self, he looks burnt out already.
20 Posted 23/10/2009 at 13:16:56
We have bought squad standard players very badly (as Benitez has) and have completely missed out on players of genuine class. I seriously doubt that we could sell Fellaini for half of what we paid for him, Cahill has no value if he isn’t scoring, Gosling probably isn’t going to make it and we have our top players who’ll come back and need months to get up to speed with a risk of never being the same again.
I hate being negative but I see what could possibly be described as crisis at the club which the injuries are masking.
21 Posted 23/10/2009 at 13:55:13
You simply can’t blame last night on the missing personnel..Of course it was hardly suitable..
But the problems were basic footballing mistakes and management decisions...we have a hapdash back line...so we switch to a 442 against a side that are reasonably good at keeping the ball..while we play unsuitable midfielders for a 4 man midfield...Mistake #1.
Playing ’established’ players in utterly pointless positions...A la Cahill...Mistake #2.
How anyone cannot see that Jo is utterly useless is beyond me..especially while our top scorer and currently most creative player sits on the bench....Mistake #3.
On the pitch the mistakes were countless..Fellaini (who apparently is half fit [I’d roll my eyes at this point]) was misplacing passes and so was Rodwell...The midfielders were also failing to find space when we were in possession and also failing to close down when we were not...all of which resulted in conceding possession and playing ver deep with Yakubu spending most of his time in his own half...criminal.
This is basic stuff.
22 Posted 23/10/2009 at 14:05:42
He has actually spent quite a bit if you tally it up.
23 Posted 23/10/2009 at 14:01:12
Moyes has built a good squad capable of challenging for honours. Trouble is they’re all on the treatment table, is that his fault? What did anyone seriously expect would happen last night with what he had available, kids making debuts, inexperienced youngsters, players out of position and a bench like a kindergarden. Neither would Fellaini and the Yak have been considered as starters with a full strength squad.
Just one of those things and we’re still well placed in the group.
24 Posted 23/10/2009 at 14:17:13
Seems many of you should stop throwing your toys out of the pram.... Have we never coped against, Arsenal in recent years, against ManUntd, Liverpool, Villa, Tottenham, etc — seems to me we’ve coped pretty well. It might not be fast and free flowing football I grant you that, but we’ve done okay under Moyes.
And for those who say it’s not good enough, well you're about as realistic as those Newcastle fans who talk about themselves as a big club and getting back to where they belong... BIG clubs have money these days history means zilch; Great clubs have tons of it, we happen to be skint...
Wake up, O sleeper!
25 Posted 23/10/2009 at 14:27:28
How Kenwright and his buddies hardly get a mention while Moyes takes all the stick is beyond me.
Every other manager, even Stoke and Hull, were given funds early in the pre-season to get players in.
Do any of the Moyes critics know what goes on in a preseason, getting the players bonded and understanding the tactics and each other’s roles?
To have to wait until you sell a player to get replacements year after year despite top 5 finishes and Wembley appearances must be soul-destroying for the manager and the players.
The sooner we get a board who is capable of supporting the manager, the sooner we can judge how good he really is.
26 Posted 23/10/2009 at 16:55:28
27 Posted 23/10/2009 at 20:08:37
28 Posted 23/10/2009 at 20:45:51
Sean McNally picked the team right earlier in this piece, Moyes just sat in the dugout and did fuck all as his unbalanced mis-shaped team dragged us to a new history-making low. He now has a few of these in his portfolio, disgracefully.
He sent a team out to represent this Club of ours, devoid of leadership and tactics, happy to take a 2 or 3 goal defeat but couldn't show any leadership when the shit hit. Why he wasn't stalking the technical area screaming at Cahill and Fellaini to fuckin’ wake up is beyond me. We seem to have fans who will make excuses for any fucking shambles Moyes is responsible for...
I fuckin’ despair, one of the lowest points in my 35+ years following our Club.
29 Posted 23/10/2009 at 21:40:34
We had 68% possession last night
--- according to the BBC website stats button
Rodders and Felli doing the ground work - shame the cuttine edge and in particular the crosses poor from Tim and Gosling.
If that first goal with ball-watching Coleman had not gone in, there could have been a different pschology going on as the game developed.
I have a feel that Benfica could be out-muscled and rolled over when we get them back to Goodison and with a full defence out on the park we could go some way to wiping out that bad score line and finish top of the group!!!
30 Posted 24/10/2009 at 06:08:46
31 Posted 24/10/2009 at 11:29:10
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