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1 Posted 05/05/2010 at 00:05:56
2 Posted 05/05/2010 at 00:04:52
I would argue that EVERYONE is a small club if you're not 'Big 4'.
At the same time as Newcastle and Leeds were imploding, the 3 CL positions expanded to 4. 7th and 8th were not capable of bridging the gap left by Leeds and Newcastle and the 'Big 4' was cemented.
It doesn't matter what teams have won the FA and League Cup, both of those count for fuck all nowadays. A route into the Europa. Big deal.
The Big 4 due to CL qualification can get the players who won't consider not playing in the CL, they get the money, they get the squads.
Those who argue that is shouldn't be just about money when qualifying in the top 4 are right. But then everything that Moyes does to make us so good on a shoe string, well that's done at those above us also, then add in the millions to gain that better quality player.
So are we small time? Yes... But only because the system engineers it thus.
Do we think of ourselves as historically small? No. But unless we or someone else can grab that 4th CL place and call it theirs, then everyone is small compared to teams who have players worth so much more, on so much more money, with so many international fans. CL is where its at.
Still, screw the other teams and how we compare. We all know who we are and what our history stands for. We know we have no money, we know we have a small squad. But when we do break through, we will shout louder than all those others in the top 4 because we earned that right and were not the beneficiaries of circumstance.
Right now, we're small with a big heart, where as the big teams today are lacking in soul. And if we talk about Liverpool too much, then what's the problem? Every team in the world has their rivals so let's not dismiss an integral part of football society.
Plus, we know the reds are a bunch of fuckers.... SO THERE!
3 Posted 05/05/2010 at 01:12:23
But you seem only to be having a go at the supporters. Having been a keen traveller to games all over England and Europe from 1953 onwards until I finally migrated to Australia 23 years ago, I can understand your comments about being gutted after some matches. I'm still the same at 62 years of age.
Watching most games on Fox Sports it's not easy to get a full picture of the atmosphere at some games so I can't say too much on that but when I get to Goodison once and occasionally twice a season it is always great.
But, hey, by getting at the supporters the way you did in this article seems to assume you are the only one who is frustrated as hell/gutted or whatever when I reckon most of us feel the same. Just read Kevin and Nick's responses.
What we need is some success. We just seem to be going through a long barren spell. I'm an optimist and I think we're getting better but we shouldn't leave it too long before making some bold moves to take us back to the top.
Hang in there! We WILL get back our supremacy over the RS.
4 Posted 05/05/2010 at 01:17:26
5 Posted 05/05/2010 at 03:57:19
A bit harsh, but correct in essence.
5th or 6th or what ever is not the new 1st.
The CL 4 teams qualify has devalued everything.
Corny I know, but back in the day, 1st got into the European Cup, 2nd (unless it was us of course) had the minor prize of the UEFA CUP ( and it WAS minor). The FACup was Glory with a capital G and the Cup Winners Cup was, some seasons harder to win than the European cup. Due to the fact that Teams on the 'up ' won their Knockout Trophy and peaked the next season to win their league... case in point, US 84 - 85.
5th or what ever, is by that criteria MEDIOCRITY...but... as with the devaluing of the CL / Top 4, so mediocrity has been devalued (yes it can be and has )
Too many people don't even Remember when we had really really good teams and finished FIRST not 2nd or 3rd or 4th FFS.
Mediocrity has been transmogrified in to something good, something to be aspired to, into...
6 Posted 05/05/2010 at 07:13:52
7 Posted 05/05/2010 at 08:27:09
I will never forget the red shites most enjoyable week in football for years, it involved not a minute of football for them, their joy was over us and the Mancs losing a cup final each in a week last May, lads wearing Barca shirts for work etc.
And last Sunday I witnessed some prick in my local with a 70s kopite shirt on cheer Drogba's goal, so I take it the shite have an even smaller club attitude than us.
8 Posted 05/05/2010 at 08:42:22
9 Posted 05/05/2010 at 10:09:53
Many of us neither give a toss about any other club including LFC, nor do we spout Nil Satis Nisi Optimum every week in the belief that we should be top of the league. We simply support the club and our views on most things can range from depressed to ecstatic.
Some Evertonians have a disproportionate interest in the fortunes of Liverpool FC. That's unhealthy. Some have even posted on here to indicate a preference for their misfortune over our success. That's sick.
Some Evertonians inhabit a world of near paranoia, where the slightest suggestion that we should not be upset if we finish 4th, or 5th or whatever, attracts whistles of derision that one dare contemplate a club with a Latin motto and that has achieved one 4th place finish in 23 years shouldn't be expecting to win the league.
Evertonia is a mixed constituency. The arguments on here bear evidence to the diference in views, expectations and tolerance amongst us.
I simply don't inhabit the polarised world that some do. It's too George Bush, all this shit that you're either with us or against us. It is entirely possible to be a total 100% Evertonian in mind, body & spirit, and yet retain a sense of perspective, and courtesy and, in most cases, have a life.
Somebody once said "the past is an interesting place, but you wouldn't want to live there". To paraphrase; we are where we are. There are now teams with higher expectations than us who we used to crap on 25 years ago (Chelsea, Man City, ManU, Arsenal). It goes around. All we can do is keep trying.
And to those who despair at the "power" of ManU, City, Chelsea etc, be sure it won't last forever. In fact in just 2 years' time the hard work of Michel Platini will start to pay dividends. Clubs will not be allowed to spend what they don't have. Everyone will have to re-enter the real world.
Keep the faith.
10 Posted 05/05/2010 at 10:25:54
We've got to stop meeting like this Alan.
11 Posted 05/05/2010 at 10:30:27
Ask yourself what is bigtime?
How do you go the match and act bigtime, please tell me, because I want to avoid acting bigtime as you'll look a pretentious tit.
12 Posted 05/05/2010 at 10:34:21
You seem to have a problem with Latin - are you not, then, ex-Grammar School?
We Jesuit-trained, like EJ Ruane, Alfred Hitchcock and Paul Merton had a love of the language beaten into us
13 Posted 05/05/2010 at 10:59:51
14 Posted 05/05/2010 at 11:24:21
Yes, I want the Blues to succeed first and foremost but if the RS are having a bad time it's the cherry on the cake.
15 Posted 05/05/2010 at 11:23:45
16 Posted 05/05/2010 at 12:32:54
I suppose that when my RedShite mates text me when we get beat is not smalltime but just banter because they are above us in the legue then? Ripping your nearest opponent goes hand in hand with football and it will never change. I hate them but I also hate Villa and Newcastle, if that makes he smalltime, even though one has just been in a league below us, then smalltime I am.
17 Posted 05/05/2010 at 14:27:34
I hope they sell all their best players, no-one buys them, they never build a new ground, the pay the FSW £16 mill to leave, along with his 23 Spanish staff, the banks foreclose and sell all their assests, they never win another trophy, Torres is injured and cannot play again, Gerrard is outed as gay by Carragher after being jilted by him... apart from that, I hope they do well.
18 Posted 05/05/2010 at 13:50:49
I wanted them to lose to Atletico and I was even glad Forlan scored; however, if them winning the Europa would have given another league place in Europe, I would have wanted them to win as it would benefit us. If some magical being said you can win the FA Cup but they win the league, I would take it because WE WIN A CUP! I don't like them and I don't want them to win but I'm concerned about all things Everton first and foremost.
I also can't say I saw anyone around Wembley jubilant about losing the Cup Final. There was an element of pride about having got there beating the teams we did, but utter disappointment and a sense of a missed opportunity having not been at the races that day.
19 Posted 05/05/2010 at 17:57:03
20 Posted 05/05/2010 at 18:40:42
I worked in Liverpool for the duration of the season we finished 4th. I took great delight in us finishing above them only for them to laugh in my face when they came back from 3-0 down against Milan to win the Champions League. If you live and work amongst Liverpool fans you understand why there is an obsession with them losing. You shouldn't question it.
21 Posted 06/05/2010 at 11:44:54
But that's not the point, is it? The point is the small-minded nonsense that latches on to a motto. I mean, our motto could have said "vestri inimicus sursum solum". It sounds equally impressive. It means, roughly, "take your opponent up the arse"
I'm just arguing for a sense of perspective and to not get too despondent when we do OK. There's no divine right here, we just try every year. And, whilst it may sound paradoxical having just slipped from 5th to 8th, I sense we are getting closer. I think next season could be an absolute cracker.
Nil desperandum, dear boy. It's not life and death.
22 Posted 06/05/2010 at 14:06:14
First of all Everton fans clearly are dissapointed about this season but, when you look at November, most supporters would have accepted a mid-table finish. Stoke fans made a racket on Saturday which seemed to spur on the team. The Everton players trudged off the pitch heads down looking away from the fans while Stoke players and fans looked pretty happy.
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