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New Premier League record for Everton

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According to Sky TV, Everton now hold the Premier League record for going two games without a shot on target (versus Stoke and Arsenal).

I found this hard to believe but, after watching both games, I think they may be right as we had shots but none of them were on target!

Also, we have played 16 times at Arsenal since the Premier League was formed and lost every time, and Saha said we are going for Europe! Ha, ha. Had to have a laugh at the last one.
Paul Holmes, Widnes     Posted 13/12/2011 at 20:48:23

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Lyndon Lloyd
1   Posted 14/12/2011 at 06:23:19

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If one were to be pedantic, you could say that Rodwell's shot against Stoke and Saha's against Arsenal that were blocked before they could get near the 'keeper were "on target" but the point is taken. We're not creating chances... at all.

Regarding our record at Arsenal since the inception of the Premier League, I believe we won at Highbury when Kanchelskis scored the winner 15 years ago.
Rob Teo
2   Posted 14/12/2011 at 06:54:38

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It's still a sad, sad fact that we almost always never take any points against the "bigger" teams away from home.

How anyone can defend this - by claiming that Moyes at least sets the team out to not lose by greater margins (7-0, 6-1 vs The Arse, anyone?) is simply beyond me.
Gavin Ramejkis
3   Posted 14/12/2011 at 07:04:16

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Another to add to the list of glowing memories on Moyes CV

The last two games had nothing of merit and were shameful displays of mediocrity
Eric Myles
4   Posted 14/12/2011 at 07:17:49

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I wouldn't beleive too much what Sky say, when it's one of their darling teams they count shots that hit the corner flag as being on target.
Dave Richman
5   Posted 14/12/2011 at 07:19:41

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And goal kicks as well Eric....... Every time Reina takes a goal kick, the shots on target count increases
Bob Turner
6   Posted 14/12/2011 at 07:23:43

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You're forgetting the 2-2 draw in Jan 2010 (THAT Pienaar chip, Vaughan missing a 1-1 just before their lucky last minute equaliser - clearly Moyes' fault).

As for the 6-1 (you're going to concede goals if your star centre half can't be arsed) and the 7-0 (didn't we finish 4th that season?), freak results happen - 2 have happened to Man Utd this season alone.
Danny Lizars
7   Posted 14/12/2011 at 08:02:53

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That is not a good record to have at all!! Moyes comes out an says he's happy with loosing against the gooners having no shots on goal?! What planet is he on? Im starting to think have i just wasted money getting a half season ticket now...
Shaun Brennan
8   Posted 14/12/2011 at 08:48:26

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Well, atleast it's something we can shout about!!

Is right!
Chris Matheson
9   Posted 14/12/2011 at 08:53:08

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We never have any shots on target because we never have any shots, full stop.

Out only form of attack is to fanny about with short passes in the middle of the park, then play the ball out wide, then lump a high ball into the box.

From that point the sole centre forward is expected to a) head the ball into the net (but it never happens) or b) "knock-down" for the supporting attacker. Except that there is never any supporting attacker or indeed supporting midfielder, they're are normally 20 yards behind play.

How about playing a few crosses into the box hard and low. Or better still, strying to go through the middle, on the ground?

Mind you, Kenwright has sold all our players who could achieve that.
Tony J Williams
10   Posted 14/12/2011 at 09:43:51

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It's certainly a bullshit stat, because Fellaini had a header saved by the Stoke goalie, albeit a powderpuff shot that was more of a pass back but it was still a shot.

I was there in the lower Gwlady and watched it with my own eyes, so it's a bullshit stat that is in fact an untrue one.

Also the bullshit stat of losing everytime at Highbury.

A bullshit post filled with bullshit stats.
James McPherson
11   Posted 14/12/2011 at 10:20:04

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Paul, your downbeat mood would seem to have got the better of you. The stats aren't correct.

Your post is reflective of the malaise that hangs over the club. There is just nothing good to say. However, given that things are bad enough, no need to make matters worse with made up stats.
Ian Smitham
12   Posted 14/12/2011 at 10:20:48

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Paul, Just wondered about what is funny about our club we support aiming for Europe? Funny? FFS? Sad maybe but funny?

I love Everton Football club and to see people finding it "Funny" stinks.

Thanks Tony for your view and also for the other facts rather than the "funny" made up bollocks that people should be ashamed of even giving any creadence.

Thomas Windsor
13   Posted 14/12/2011 at 10:30:20

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You can't argue with this no shots on target in 180 minutes and he still in a job. Time to go, David, before you stink the place out.

Sam Morrison
14   Posted 14/12/2011 at 10:32:21

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Ian, don't be ridiculous. It's clear Paul doesn't find it funny. The tone of the post is bitter.
Roy McCue
15   Posted 14/12/2011 at 10:38:20

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Does Conor McAleny's shot not count against Arsenal? It only missed the post by inches.
Ian Smitham
16   Posted 14/12/2011 at 10:57:10

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Sam, Thanks, i feel better that at least we are all passionate about the same thing. Sometimes i feel others find it easy to whinge and it haks me off. thanks for your comment
Roy McCue
17   Posted 14/12/2011 at 11:10:30

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Tony ? I agree; wasnt Conor McAleny's shot on target in the Arsenal game?
Sam Morrison
18   Posted 14/12/2011 at 11:14:33

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I'm an armchair fan myself but I get pissed off about the current state of affairs. Very pissed off. But I recognise that sensation of hollow laughter. The kind of laughter you might do from the gutter, having been dumped by the love of your life, lost your job and subsequently been run over.

Ian Smitham
19   Posted 14/12/2011 at 11:18:30

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Mate, that sounds like heart felt emotion, and good luck to you a fellow passionate blue
Neil Pickering
20   Posted 14/12/2011 at 11:15:01

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What about when AJ scored in the last minute at Goodison to beat the Arse 1-0?

Regarding Saha, have you ever heard of a player who can recover from a thigh strain in less than a week? He either has miraculous healing gift, or he is throwing one in for games he doesn't fancy. I think the latter is true.

Is he also having a laugh when he says our lack of spending power is hindering us? Cheeky twat, maybe we would be better off if we werent paying him stupid wages every week! Would get shut on a free in Jan for him, he's useless, and at least he would free up a wage.

All that ability as well, but he just doesn't have it upstairs to go with it!!
Chris Verghoden
21   Posted 14/12/2011 at 11:29:55

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Neil, SAF has previously said that a lot of Saha's injuries were in his head. If he's not 100% right he won't play, so you're right.I have always said that if you can't motivate yourself to play for Man Utd, Everton have no chance.
Max Main
22   Posted 14/12/2011 at 11:45:25

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Neil -

Bit harsh having a go at Saha for his wages. The same Saha who offered to play for free when he originally signed for us.

Oh and the original post was talking about games at Arsenal, not Goodison, so the AJ comment doesn't apply.

Danny Broderick
23   Posted 14/12/2011 at 12:03:46

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Chris and Neil,

At the recent ESCLA do in London with Mick Rathbone, someone asked him if Saha was really injured every time he missed games.

Mick stated that every time he pulled out of a game, the scans backed it up that he had an injury e.g. a torn muscle or whatever. He appears to be prone to it unfortunately. Let's face it, if he had a good injury record we wouldn't have got him on a free.

He might be past his best, but what you are saying about his injuries 'being in his head' is factually incorrect. He puts a lot of his injury problems down to the treatments he received at Man U apparently ? Owen Hargreaves said similar things recently.
Robbie Muldoon
24   Posted 14/12/2011 at 12:17:19

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Steve Kean, Owen Coyle and David Moyes should be the three most under pressure managaers in the league at the moment... but no David Moyes' is under less pressure than any manager in the league. Absolute disgrace. The Moyesiah my arse.
Jim Knightley
25   Posted 14/12/2011 at 12:47:24

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Please explain Robbie why Moyes should be under as much pressure as Owen Coyle and Steve Kean?
Most obviously both of those spent money during the summer, in Blackburn's case well over 10mil plus loans. We only sold.

With respect to league position.. Bolton have 9 points and Blackburn 10! we have been very poor, but hardly in the same bracket are we?

And Moyes is under less pressure than anyone in the league is he?

Idiotic anit-Moyes rant. At least criticise him fairly, not with statements that are completely out of touch with reality.

We are 12th. It's shit, but it's hardly the end of the world. And as worrying as it may be, our team isnt a great deal better than 12th.
Robbie Muldoon
26   Posted 14/12/2011 at 12:57:33

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Because we have just gone two consecutive games without a shot on goal, the style of play is a disgrace, and the apathy of the manager is surely a sackable offence.

Blackburn should have beaten us early in the season.

We have higher expectations from our squad of internationals.

He give Yakubu away to Blackburn, how's he getting on there? Kean (fucking Kean) knows how to feed him!

League position is irrelevant to me, I have watched each match this season and even when we have won we have been shite.

Constant bad team selections, formations and substitutions.

The signing of James McFadden.

Tony J Williams
27   Posted 14/12/2011 at 13:07:04

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Robbie, maybe Sky should speak to BBC stats, they have us with 4 shots on target against Stoke and 1 against Arsenal.

I can categorically state with all honesty that Fellaini put a header on target.

Who are you going to believe? A person who watched the replay of the game or a fan who was actually right behind the goal in the Gwladys Street and saw it live?

Don't bother answering, I know which you would believe because it's another lie against Moyes/Everton.

Blackburn didn't beat us so get on with it.

Where are Blackburn in the league?, he can feed the Yak all he wants but will probably still get relegated.

League position is certainly not irrelevant. Have you also watched us this season play better than the other side and lose? We battered Stoke but like with QPR, they had one shot on target and scored.

Same with Villa, they didn't deserve the point.

With you on the Faddy point though.

Chris Verghoden
28   Posted 14/12/2011 at 13:03:28

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Danny, fair enough. However, I just researched an article from 2007 where Saha himself says he won't play unless he's 100% or near as. That's his choice of course. There are others who will play through injury.

Did Baz say why he left the club by the way? And did he do a slide show of Louis scans? Would have been interesting.
Phil Martin
29   Posted 14/12/2011 at 13:19:44

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Moyes has had 10 years to win us a trophy. He's a disgrace and should be sacked today. Things have never been this bad on the pitch. Forget about the money and enforced player sales. He deliberately picks a team to lose and tells the strikers not to shoot on target...
Danny Broderick
30   Posted 14/12/2011 at 13:28:06

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There were no slide shows or anything like that. It was in a room above a pub, and he basically just told some stories and answered some questions. Everyone was having a pint, and then everyone went downstairs and had a few more pints. He was a really nice fella, very normal really.

He said that the job had changed. Players now are flying back to Spain or whatever for treatment, or they might not agree with the rehab programs he would devise. The job was becoming less hands-on, and he was spending his time speaking to a guy in Denmark about Tommy Grav's knee, or a guy in Spain about Arteta, and it wasn't as hands on as what he had always known.

He's now a physio for one of the England youth teams. It's less hours apparently and it sounds like he's counting down the years to retirement. He had a lot of good stories to tell about the Yak, Big Dunc, Rooney and Tommy Grav. I haven't got his book but it sounds like a good read...
Anthony Hughes
31   Posted 14/12/2011 at 13:41:03

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The only stat that matters from the last two matches is that we got zero points.
Robbie Muldoon
32   Posted 14/12/2011 at 13:38:35

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It's as simple as this... David Moyes is a decent manager who put together (at one point) a very good squad. Some excellent signings on a shoestring and created a well disciplined squad. The quality of the squad he pulled together over a few years got us Europa footy, when it could have been Champions League. His coaching and tactical abilities are mediocre and he has consistintley achieved the one thing that is probably demanded of him by his boss, avoid relegation.

A couple of seasons ago when he hadn't signed his contract I feared a mass exodus of the likes of Arteta Lescott etc if Moyes walked away. Well Moyes has stayed and those players have now gone. So the deficiencies we have always seen in our mangers abilities are costing us dear. He seems spent and has no heart for it anymore other than to achieve the one thing that has been demanded of him since day one - avoiding relegation.

Change is painful, but always worth it for a change for good.
Eugene Ruane
33   Posted 14/12/2011 at 13:30:51

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I DO blame Moyes for our lack of goals/lack of entertainment/style of play etc.

I would like to see him gone as soon as possible as I believe he is tired and out of ideas.

However I also think the stats (like most SKY/PL stats) are complete shite and tell us fuck all.

Let's take 'completed passes' for example (or 'pass completion ratio' or whatever pretend scientific bollocks they call it now).

I could stand in midfield and each time the ball comes to me, take no responsibility and tap it to the nearest man before I'm challenged or closed down.

Technically I'm not doing anything wrong but..I'm not doing anything right either.

Pass completion rate - 87% (or..something).

Or I could get involved in the game.

Hit a few balls to players who have made a run (OR WHO FUCKING WELL SHOULD HAVE!).

Or hit a few long cross-field balls to switch the play.

Sure some of those balls will be cut out, or not quite accurate enough, but I'm trying to create something, I'm 'giving it a go'.

Pass completion rate 63% (or..something).

Does any of THAT get mentioned when the stats appear?

Does it fuck and THAT is why they are bogus, misleading and total skywank.

Tony J Williams
34   Posted 14/12/2011 at 13:49:41

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"He seems spent and has no heart for it anymore other than to achieve the one thing that has been demanded of him since day one - avoiding relegation" - Completely agree. He is spent due to the inept board not aiding him and the next manager in will go the exact same way quicker because Moyes had a couple of seasons with money to spend, the new manager won't.
Robbie Muldoon
35   Posted 14/12/2011 at 14:16:48

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Why is it soooo complicated!!!??
Chris Verghoden
36   Posted 14/12/2011 at 15:06:11

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Cheers Dan, sounds like a good do. You hear more and more about players going to their own country for treatment. Lucas going to Brazil being the latest. Surely that undermines the club medical staff, not to mention the cost and effect on the player travelling so far for an operation that could be done here. Modern footy eh!!
Paul Holmes
37   Posted 14/12/2011 at 15:38:26

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The aim of the post was to highlight the rubbish Everton under Moyes serve up, week-in, week-out. We all are united as supporters wanting the team to do well; the stats given on Sky may not be exact but they are not far out.

It costs decent money to go the game so we might as well 'go for it' and get beat than play 'negative' and get beat, at least there will be some excitement and goalmouth action, unlike the last 2 games!
Joe McMahon
38   Posted 14/12/2011 at 15:55:41

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Lyndon - sadly you are correct, I think Greame Stuart may have got the other. It seems light years away, just like Kevin Campbell scoring the last time we won at Anfield.
Mick Davies
39   Posted 14/12/2011 at 15:49:43

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Forgive me not reading all these comments but some of the earlier ones prevented me from taking anymore of this shit. This is Everton FC, not Bolton or Notts County. Some traditional clubs would be happy to be hanging on to PL survival and not winning anything for 16 years, but what is happening to EFC is criminal. Bally and Labone will be crying their eyes out, up there. HAPPY with a defeat? No shots saved and no guts, creativity or shame, thanks to a pair of muppets who though it wise to let 3 key players go on deadline day!!!! Would Dixie have listened to Round and his negative shite? no, he would have gone out and died for the club, regardless of the management's views. We badly need players who want to play for the club, such as Barton and Walters, 2 Evertonians who are giving it their all for other clubs, but would probably give more for the club they love. Come on Moyes, if you can't get players like Messi, Neymar and Ronaldo, at least get some pride back in the side
Ray Robinson
40   Posted 14/12/2011 at 16:02:01

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What happened to our 1-1 draw at Arsenal about 4 or 5 years back - not to mention the 2-2 draw recently? Doesn't alter the fact that our record at Arsenal is abysmal but please if you're going to quote stats to illustrate a point, get them right please.
Kevin Tully
41   Posted 14/12/2011 at 16:53:53

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I have seen the light. And just gave my two tickets away for Norwich.

I am not freezing my nuts off to watch that shite that is currently being served.
Tony J Williams
42   Posted 14/12/2011 at 17:18:37

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Give them away or sold them?

If you have given them away then you are bit of a mug really? You give Kenwrong your money then don't expect anything for it in fact I have an idea, try and get an application for the business department at Everton, sounds like you would fit right in.
Gavin Ramejkis
43   Posted 14/12/2011 at 17:29:50

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Tony #27 we didn't "batter" Stoke or QPR, we huffed and puffed, fannied about and got beat, if we were still playing Stoke all that weekend we wouldn't have scored against them, we were utter shite in the final third.
Stephen Leary
44   Posted 14/12/2011 at 17:35:41

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We beat Arsenal at Highbury in the 95/96 season 2-1. Agree with the shots tho that is pathetic
Jamie Barlow
45   Posted 14/12/2011 at 17:39:30

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"Forget about the money and enforced player sales. He deliberately picks a team to lose and tells the strikers not to shoot on target..."

Absolutely fuckin mental.
Dick Fearon
46   Posted 14/12/2011 at 19:34:49

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To Argue the toss about 1,2 or 3 shots at goal in our most recent two games says it all really and a sign of how incredibly low our expectations and standards have dropped.
James McPherson
47   Posted 14/12/2011 at 20:02:20

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Dick, good point - and THE point really when you think about it.

Akin to two old lags pissed up fighting over a granny in the grafton (do I sound a bit like Eugene Ruane there? - what do you think Eugene?)

Arguing the toss over just how mediocre we are. Waste of time.

Although, this is someone who once bought the DVD - The Magnificent 7th!. That was obviously the start of BK's masterplan to drive expectations downwards.
James Stewart
48   Posted 14/12/2011 at 22:37:32

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I don't think we have "battered" anyone for a very long time indeed!

That implies we were the better team, created chances and took them & dominated possession.

When was the last time that happened?
James Stewart
49   Posted 14/12/2011 at 22:42:14

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It's a pointless arguement... really, it doesn't matter if we did have a shot on target. We never looked like scoring in a month of Sundays so the crux of it is we are negative pedestrian shite!
Jimmy Sørheim
50   Posted 14/12/2011 at 17:06:41

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What is talked about here is shots on target, that means between the two posts and the bar. I watched the Stoke game myself and I did not see a shot on goal either. Another thing is shots off target.That is another thing.

Main point here is to read our low point count and low shots on goal count; we are shit and things will not improve unless Moyes changes things around. Start by using two strikers, for example Vellios and Stracqualursi. In order to get them both some valuable game time and for us to have a chance with all the long balls that are coming from the defence, such as Hibbert and Jagielka.

Dire situation, but things can change... IF Moyes changes them!!!.
Chad Schofield
51   Posted 15/12/2011 at 00:22:43

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Roy McCue (#15), of course it counts, but then I've got a 12 inch dick... Well if we're looping a few inches off here and there!
Tony J Williams
52   Posted 15/12/2011 at 10:12:14

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It's not a pointless argument at all, it;s goes to the thrust of the post.

"A New Premier League record" - That was the quote and the stat given.

It is wrong, as I have stated i watched Fellaini, pass back/shoot on target and the goalied caught/saved it.

It's just another pathetic attempt to use against Moyes/Everton for the moaners. The BBC stats have us with 4 shots on target so it's all bullshit anyway.

Sky is always right isn't it?

Jimmy, ask anyone who was sat in the Lower Gwladys to confirm whether Fellaini's shit header was on target or not.
Jimmi James
53   Posted 15/12/2011 at 12:26:59

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Just a sick joke to argue amongst ourselves about not having shots on target. Like someone else said, this is how low the expectations have become. We are going down with Moyes and Kenwright. Get used to it.
Tony J Williams
54   Posted 15/12/2011 at 15:41:17

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Nothing to do with low expectations Jimmi, it's a "statistic" which has been proven to be wrong, yet some still want to use it as another way of having a go at Moyes.

There are plenty of valid stats to use against Moyes, this is not one of them.
Ged Dwyer
55   Posted 15/12/2011 at 17:29:36

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How can this stat be true when we have our great £15m signing playing in midfield?
We always create chances when he is not in the team so if he is in the team surely we create loads?
Moyes doesn't waste £15m on a player does he.....Does he?
Tony J Williams
56   Posted 15/12/2011 at 17:34:55

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Ged, as you should have been able to deduce from the previous posts. It is not true.
Stephen Kenny
57   Posted 15/12/2011 at 17:39:56

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Well as long as Fellaini had a header 'saved' everythings rosy. I sit in the lower and don't remember this but I'll concede.

Keep it up Blues!!!
Ged Dwyer
58   Posted 15/12/2011 at 17:54:41

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I'm with you Tony Williams.
Look at Castillo, he scored from a thundering 25 yard shot in his second game for the club only to be promptly dropped by Moyes.
Fellaini learned quickly and he has never had a shot on target from outside the box.
Kevin Sparke
59   Posted 15/12/2011 at 20:30:53

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According to the BBC - Everton had 4 shots on target at Stoke and 1 on target against Arsenal... still shocking stats but not 'no shots on target' and no 'Premier League record'.

To me the appropriate headline should be:

'Media organisation renowned for making up shit in making up shit shocker!'
Tommy Hesketh
60   Posted 15/12/2011 at 21:04:12

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I know he's not everyone's favourite dancing mincer... But here's Robbie Savage's take on us at the moment, Embarrassing is the word that stuck out for me.
Stewart Oakes
61   Posted 15/12/2011 at 23:08:07

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Why do the words Robbie Savage and Embarrassing in the same sentence not surprise me.
According to the BBC stats for our last 2 games we had 11 attempts on goal against Stoke, 4 on target and 7 off and 7 against Arsenal 6 off and 1 on.

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